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Steelers CB Ike Taylor Says Interceptions Are Overrated, Hopes To Play Four Or Five More Years


Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Ike Taylor was a guest Tuesday morning on the David Baumann Show on Sports Talk Florida and he talked about training year in and year out with renown trainer Tom Shaw as well as his belief that interceptions are overrated among other things.

At the beginning of the interview, Taylor was asked about why he has chosen to work out with Shaw for so many years.

“Why not?” shot back Taylor. “No first rounder, played cornerback for one year, played running back for one year and working out with him since I was in eighth grade, so he\’s like a father figure.

“This is going on 11 years for me. I was only supposed to be a special teams guru. I play the best opposing teams\’ wide receiver year in and year out. Never get credit for it because I don\’t catch interceptions, but if you look at my stats and the catch, pass ratio, I\’m No. 1 or No. 2 in that. Got two Super Bowl rings, so why not?”

Taylor was then asked to further explain the catch and defend ratio that he mentioned in his response.

“So, 14 interceptions in a ten year span, which means that I\’m not catching a lot of balls, but at the same time it means that the receivers aren\’t catching any balls either,” explained Taylor. “So I thought to be a shut down corner, yeah, you got guys – to catch interceptions means a defender got good hands, if you basically look at it. But if you got a guy that catch six or seven interceptions a year, but giving up seven to eight touchdowns throughout the year, how good or how bad is he hurting the team?”

Taylor was at one point asked during the interview if he thought that interceptions were overrated and if he has been overlooked as a top corner as a result.

“Very, very, very overrated,” said Taylor. “The reason why I say its overrated is because a lot of these guys who is getting a lot of interceptions, they aren\’t playing the No. 1 receiver. So you got to have a mindset, I only know a few guys who wants to play the teams opposing receiver week in and week out and the only reason why, is, if you do good, you\’re career can extend and if you do bad, you got a short career.

“So for me, just the way I was raised up, just my mentality, I cant play scared. For me to play the way I play, I like going against a teams\’ best opposing receiver. Now when my time comes and the coaching staff feels like I might cant do it, well then that time will come, but for the time being, that\’s what I like to do. I\’m not going to say it\’s easy just sitting on one side, but you kind of get in a rhyme sitting on one side. It\’s tough playing a teams\’ opposing receiver when you know that him and that quarterback are always on the same page, so you got to be on your P\’s and Q\’s every time.

“Yeah, catching interceptions, is that my downfall? For sure. It\’s alright, but if you just look at my stats, take a thorough look at my stats, and opposing receivers that I played and what I\’ve done, I\’m right up there.”

Taylor was then asked to explain at 33 years of age how he is still able to do what he does on the football field consistently.

“For the love of the game,” said Taylor.” For the people who say, \’You still can\’t do it.\’ For my son. For my family. For my friends, to give them something to talk about. I told you so kind of attitude. It\’s just a love for me. I love working out. I love working out with younger guys. I love proving myself and other guys wrong. I honestly don\’t know without football what I\’d be doing in life. So football right now is my life. I understand the business side of it. I understand there\’s a draft every year to get rid of me, so that pushes me, motivates me more and my drive is unbelievable when it comes to working out.”

As far as what else that Taylor wants to accomplish in his career, the Steelers former fourth-round draft pick gave an unsurprising response.

“I would like to get to the Pro Bowl one time, but for sure I would like to put myself in one more Super Bowl and win it,” said Taylor. “That\’s going to be the pinnacle for me. But for personal reasons, Pro Bowl, for team reasons, if we can get one more Super Bowl, that would be perfect.”

At the end of the interview Taylor was asked if he knew how much longer he intends to play.

“Man. whatever God gives me,” Taylor said. “I take it year by year. I\’m thinking four or five, but it\’s not up to me, it\’s up to God, it\’s up to the coaching staff, it\’s up to the organization and pretty much, it\’s just up to the situation in football as a business in general. So I understand that and all I can do is just come in, be in shape, be consistent and do what I do.”

I just love listening to Taylor\’s interviews, because he always speaks from the heart. He has been a great mentor to Cortez Allen and indeed very consistent in his play.

The Steelers will have a tough decision to make with Taylor next offseason as he will be entering the final year of his contract. His base salary in 2014 is currently scheduled to be $7 million, so he can expect to be asked to take a pay cut if he doesn\’t have a Pro Bowl season, and even that might not be enough to avoid a cut in salary.

The youth movement in the Steelers secondary is well underway and I know that Taylor is well aware of that. Will 2013 be his final year with the Steelers, or will he be able to continue to hold off Father Time? If the latter of the two happens, it will be even more of a testament as to why all players should be down in Florida every offseason training with Shaw.

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  • http://twitter.com/softdrums Shea Fahr

    We all Love Ike and the fact that he trains as hard as he does. I have commented a few times in the past that I see at least 2-3 more years of quality play from him based on his training and attitude. This would be perfect as it would give our 5th round rookie enough time to properly develop to become a starter and eventually take over for Ike. The question is…will he take a cut in pay? He says he will so I look forward to seeing one of the best defensive backfields we have seen in years for many years to come!

  • Kenneth Wilt

    I honestly don’t see Ike doing what Harrison just did. I know that may sound crazy, but I personally see him as a guy who is ALL IN for the Steelers.

  • Guest

    I love his dedication to the Steelers and the development of our secondary. Hopefully they manage to work it out so that he finishes his career in Pittsburgh

  • TheBlitz

    I thought in 2011 he had one of his best seasons and was clearly a candidate for the pro bowl. I thought the disappointing loss in Denver cost him a trip to Hawaii.

    Unfortunately sometimes even the fan base doesn’t give him much credit just like the media. After the post season loss in Denver he was treated with little respect. Same thing happened in the loss against the Titans in 2012!

    When he went down in 2012, his absence was quite noticeable in the back field. Nobody could replace him and do it effectively. Who cares about interceptions if the guy can cover the best receiver on the opposing team week in and week out!

    On another note, I saw a picture of Vince Williams training with Shaw back in March. Not sure if he was just training for his pro day.

  • http://twitter.com/softdrums Shea Fahr

    You are correct and it is obvious Vince trains hard by his durability record.

  • hergieburbur

    INTs are overrated as a stat, yes. Their impact on the field? No. But I agree they should not have kept him out of the Pro Bowl.

    As far as playing 4-5 more years, I just don’t know. He is definitely slowing down a bit, and without being a ball hawk, his usefulness primarily comes from his coverage skills. As they decline, his value will drop sharply. Combine that with his ridiculous cap hit next season, and, at least as far as the Steelers are concerned, it will be hard for him to keep playing without a big pay cut/restructure.

  • steeltown

    There’s a couple of things to think about in regards to Ike playing through 2014…

    1) Does he have another solid season THIS year, if he plays well in 2013 then he may very well be around in 2014

    2) How well does Cortez Allen play as a starter this season.. if he struggles, Ike will undoubtedly play out his contract.

    3) How fast can Hawthorne learn the system and get on the field… and when he does get on the field, is he productive?
    3a) Does Curtis Brown finally turn the proverbial corner…?

  • steeltown

    I agree… I think it would be ideal for Ike to atleast play out his existing contract, which would be thru 2014.. giving Hawthorne enough time to be groomed and/or giving the coaching staff enough time to gauge if Hawthorne is the guy

  • Pete

    Yes and no to INTs. They may be overrated as Ike says for Pro Bowl consideration. But they are a turnover and a momentum changer. A change in momentum and an opportunity to score cannot be overlooked. Football is a game of momentum. This is the reason a good CB with good hands is worth more than a good CB with no ball skills.

    Ike has been steady back there for the Steelers for many years no doubt. I hope he gets his Pro Bowl wish.

  • hergieburbur

    4) His contract. In additional to his 7 million base, his pro-rated bonus takes his cap hit to around 10.5 in 2014, which is going to be way too high for a 34 year old CB.

  • Jefferson_St_Joe

    His base for next year is the only part the Steelers need to evaluate in 2014. The extra 3.5m in cap hit above the $7m base is going to be on the books regardless of whether or not he is on team.

  • NW86

    Exactly. And that extra $3.5M is only there because the Steelers pushed it back from 2011 to get under the cap. It doesn’t really matter what name it is attached to, it’s paying off an old cap restructure.
    I agree his $7M number is a bit of a concern, with the Steelers set to be over the cap again in 2014. But if he continues to play well and be durable, Ike is worth it. Personally, I think Troy will be asked to take a pay cut off his $8.25M base before Ike will. Who knows, maybe Ike can get a short extension/restructure that would lower his cap hit in 2014 without cutting his actual 2014 earnings.

  • http://twitter.com/softdrums Shea Fahr

    I think Folks keep forgetting that this offense has been unable to score more than 20.5 points on average for the last decade despite the Defense being in the top 5 year in and year out….turnovers or not, we cannot continue to count on the Defense to bail us out. Offenses these days just have too much firepower. It is time for the Offense to share the load.

  • steeltown

    Agreed but if he plays well in 2013 and Cortez struggles (god forbid) then his salary wont matter much, he’ll be back in 2014

  • steeltown

    I agree, if Polamalu has another injury riddled season then they should ask him to take a paycut.. and I would hope he’d agree

  • NW86

    I wouldn’t say his cap hit is “ridiculous” for 2014. It’s less than Ben, Woodley, Timmons, and Troy.

    4-5 years is a stretch, for sure. He may be asked to take a pay cut in 2014 but it will simply because of numbers and priorities (like Hines last year and Harrison this year), not because he’s grossly overpaid.

  • $19122620

    I guess if I was an NFL player that couldn’t intercept a pass I would say the same thing. Give me a break though! An interception can change the momentum of a game immdeiately. Maybe a tad overated to determine if someone goes to the Pro Bowl, or not, but not overated in the impact they can have in a game.

    Ike is an above average cover corner, but not being able to intercept a pass is a weak point in his game, like it or not. Some of the best CBs to every play the game didn’t have this same problem, they excelled at both areas.

  • steeltown

    Well said

  • steeltown

    On a side note.. I think Clark should be given an extension, even if its only for one year

  • hergieburbur

    Those are the only guys it is less than, and it is still nearly 10.5 (Troy’s at 10.8, is also going to be a problem). That is a lot of money for a 34 year old CB in the last year of his contract, which makes it highly unlikely he plays with that number.

  • Ahmad

    I wish Ike’s work ethic would become contagious like that injury big that has been in the locker room for over 3 years.

  • hergieburbur

    That is true, but the point is still how his overall number affects the cap. They can only reduce his base, but that pretty much guarantees they have to reduse his base.

  • JohnnyV1

    Ike Taylor is an awesome Steeler, no doubt, on and off the field. He should be in the Probowl more. But interceptions, overrated, I disagree. in 2012, Pit @ Den, pick 6; Pit & Cle 3 picks; Pit @ San, pick @ 17yd line; Pit @ Dal, pick @ 37yd line taken to 1 yd line; Pit @ Cin, pick @ 17yd line. Not saying all those losses were due to interceptions only, but if they didn’t happen, we probably win 3 or 4 of them. Interceptions are game changers, season changers.

  • hergieburbur

    I actually expect both of them to either be asked to take cuts, or sign short term extensions at much lower numbers.

  • hergieburbur

    True, but that is a near worst-case scenario.

  • Jefferson_St_Joe

    I still don’t think it is out of the question that they ask Polamalu and/or Taylor to take pay cuts before this season. Even with the Colon money coming free, the Steelers are operating very close to the cap at the Rule of 51, They will still need cap room for 53 roster players plus IR guys (Spence = $500K) plus a few sheckles for practice quad guys once the season starts.

    They could structure the contracts as short term extensions to make them look less like cuts, but they will be cuts. I think if the young corners and safeties look good, the likelihood of this happening dramatically increases.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Wilkes420 Christopher Wilkes

    lol, so true

  • http://twitter.com/rectorj39 JDR

    no crap, $7 mil for a top cb is cheap

  • http://twitter.com/rectorj39 JDR

    agreed, Clark has been our best S for the last 3 years, and deserves way more credit than any espmz kinda channel care to say about one of ours

  • hergieburbur

    Wouldn’t shock me once we get into/out of camp.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    It’s funny that interceptions are not that big of a deal since you do not get any. Still love ya Ike. :)

  • dgh57

    Are INTs overrated? A example is the Dallas game. How long did it take Dallas to win that game in OT when Big Ben threw that INT? INTs can be real killers sometimes, depending on what side your on!!

    I’m still in Ike Taylors’ corner because there are other DBs back there besides Ike!!!

  • Informed reader

    I blame the lack of points on offense on the front office. The Steelers spend more money on defense than any other team in the league. As a result, our offense gets the smallest % of any team in the league. The defense paid multiple superstars huge salaries last season- Polamalu, Woodley, Timmons, Harrison . The offense just paid Ben. They didn’t have the money to keep Wallace, they will lose Sanders next year due to money. If you want a top ranked offense, then you have to take away some of the money you currently spend on defense and give it to the offense. Guys on rookie contracts aren’t a long term solution. As soon as the contract is up, we can no longer afford them and we start over.

  • Informed reader

    I think Ike is a great CB. However, he is just wrong on this point. Interceptions are not overrated. They change games. Who denies that Harrison’s interception was the most important play in our last Super Bowl win? Fewest yards allowed is not the only thing that matters. If your defense can’t get off the field quickly with a turnover, even if the other team often settles for nothing or a field goal, your defense will be tired by the end of the game when it counts most. We all saw several games last year where the defense was winded in the fourth quarter. AND, your offense will have less time to score. I constantly hear people say ‘the offense needs to run the ball to give the defense a rest’. Well, my response to that is if the defense wants a rest, they should force a turnover and take one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.sanford.923 Bill Sanford

    Did we not just let our other starting corner back go to the Saints because of his so called lack of splash plays on defense? And he is 6 years younger than Taylor, and a better tackler. Taylor better wake up and have a change of attitude about interceptions , turnovers are important , ask the browns how much it helped them win our game in Cleveland last season. I think Taylor is gone at the end of his contract, the Steelers have just learned a hard lesson about extending players on the backside of 30, I don’t think that will be repeated.

  • gdeuce

    I hope Hawthorne can develop like Cortez Allen did, and get playing time in his rookie year

  • Danny

    At worst he could potentially be moved to safety like C Woodson. Either way he retires a Steeler!!!

  • Guest

    Please! I don’t like to hate on any Steelers players, but the guy is decent at best. People need to stop giving credit to Steelers players, just because they play for the Steelers. Stop it! The guy is average. He has never been and never will be a lock down corner. He has all the athletic ability in the world, but he isn’t a game changer. He would be a great #2 corner on a team, but not a #1. Period! He’s been playing with arguably the nastiest defense for YEARS and couldn’t catch a cold. Interceptions aren’t overrated buddy. You are! We haven’t had a true game changing/playmaker corner since Woodson. He’s a great system player just like every other Steeler is. You always see how horrible they are when they leave the Steelers ie (Chris Hope, Chris Kemuatu (However you sleep that bums name), Lee Flowers, Chad Scott, Deshea Townsend. All these players are decent at best, but way over hyped by Steeler Nation. Stop it with Ike. Watch a whole game of his and tell me if he deserves to be in the same Pro Bowl game as Bailey, Revis, Cromartie, Jonathan Joseph. etc. etc. etc. Please! I can name 20 Corners better than him right now! I’ll name 20 right now. 1. Revis 2. Cromartie. 3. Patrick Peterson. 4. Joe Haden 5. Bailey. 6. Sherman. 7. Ladarious Webb 8. Leon Hall. 9. Jonathan Joseph. 10. Vonte Davis 11. Brandon Flowers. 11. Brandon Carr 12. Rodgers-Cromartie. 13. Tillman 14. Tim Jennings 15. Tramon Williams 16. Asante Samuels. 17. Cortland Finnegan. 18. Carlos Rodgers. 19. Keenan Lewis 20. Janoris Jenkins (Young but a beast cover man). One thing they all have. They produce turnovers and CATCH the ball. Game changers. Something Ike isn’t. Any comments?

  • Paul

    Please! I don’t like to hate on any Steelers players, but the guy is decent at best. People need to stop giving credit to Steelers players, just because they play for the Steelers. Stop it! The guy is average. He has never been and never will be a lock down corner. He has all the athletic ability in the world, but he isn’t a game changer. He would be a great #2 corner on a team, but not a #1. Period! He’s been playing with arguably the nastiest defense for YEARS and couldn’t catch a cold. Interceptions aren’t overrated buddy. You are! We haven’t had a true game changing/playmaker corner since Woodson. He’s a great system player just like every other Steeler is. You always see how horrible they are when they leave the Steelers ie (Chris Hope, Chris Kemuatu (However you sleep that bums name), Lee Flowers, Chad Scott, Deshea Townsend. All these players are decent at best, but way over hyped by Steeler Nation. Stop it with Ike. Watch a whole game of his and tell me if he deserves to be in the same Pro Bowl game as Bailey, Revis, Cromartie, Jonathan Joseph. etc. etc. etc. Please! I can name 20 Corners better than him right now! I’ll name 20 right now. 1. Revis 2. Cromartie. 3. Patrick Peterson. 4. Joe Haden 5. Bailey. 6. Sherman. 7. Ladarious Webb 8. Leon Hall. 9. Jonathan Joseph. 10. Vonte Davis 11. Brandon Flowers. 11. Brandon Carr 12. Rodgers-Cromartie. 13. Tillman 14. Tim Jennings 15. Tramon Williams 16. Asante Samuels. 17. Cortland Finnegan. 18. Carlos Rodgers. 19. Keenan Lewis 20. Janoris Jenkins (Young but a beast cover man). One thing they all have. They produce turnovers and CATCH the ball. Game changers. Something Ike isn’t. Any comments?

  • steeltown

    Agreed

  • hergieburbur

    First and foremost, I don’t have a clue what you think you are responding to, as your comments have nothing to so with the initial thread or anything I have sad. Now, given that:

    No, Ike isn’t a game changing CB. But he IS, or at least was, a lock down CB. His hands have little to do with that. Some fans are too easily blinded by the obvious stats, and fail to look at the important stats such as the number of catches against a guy. Or the guys he has shut down. Ask Chad Johnson what he thinks of Ike’s ability, since Ike shut him down for his entire career in Cincy. not to mention numerous other WRs. Is he a top 5 CB? Probably not. Is he better than most give him credit for? Yes. He is definitely better than several players on your list, but it would be a waste of time to try to explain that to you.

    And for the record, Chris Hope went to the Pro Bowl as a Titan and was hardly Horrible.

  • Paul

    First off, I mistakenly added this to your comments. With that, my fault, but obviously you’re a fan that’s blinded by Steelers players rather than numbers. I’m a die hard fan and have been for a very very long time, so I’m not just trying to be hard on Steelers players at all. I love my team! I just understand the truth, rather than praise players just because they’re on the team. You say that Ocho Cinco didn’t have great games against the Steelers. So what! He also had a man by the name of Houshmanzada, that was a straight beast during those times. In fact, Ike wasn’t playing him man-to-man anyway. He always has been covered up by the attacking LeBeau defense whether you want to admit it or not. LeBeau defense is what makes a lot of the people on our defense look great. Keep it real buddy! And if he was that good of a player, he would at least be an alternate for the Pro Bowl. He’s just not that good. A great #2 guy, but not a #1. All those times that you thought he was a great corner, go back and look at the pressure that Polamalu, Harrison, Farrior, Clark, Woodley or Timmons applied pressure to the QB to make him able to make a tackle. That’s pretty much all he does anyway is tackle. I have NEVER seen him dive for an INT or make a great play. All those CB’s that I have mentioned as game changers, which is exactly what you want from a CB. Right? Don’t pull out numbers that WR’s had against him, when we both know that the Steelers play 90% zone coverage. Please! The list I mentioned can glue their man one-on one. Period. For every game you give me that Ike shut someone down in your mind, I can give you 2-3 where he was exploited. Remember Bryant McFadden, Gay and Taylor got torched like young babies against Rodgers in the Superbowl. I understand that Rodgers is a beast, granted, but he couldn’t wait to get his hands on our DB’s. Our weakness throughout the years has always been our corners. With the way Clark and Polamalu play, we could’ve been the most dominate defense ever, had we one legitimate corner that was a true “shut down”. Like I said, he’s an average corner at best. Not top 20 in my opinion. Name me one or even two “Wow” moments that Ike has EVER done in his career. I can name them for the corners that I have in my list buddy. Steelers fan are way too loyal to a fault sometimes! Ask Rod Woodson if INT’s are overrated! Lol

  • hergieburbur

    You claim to understand the numbers, but the only real number you see is INTs. There is so much more to being a CB than that. Hell, if you paid attention here, you would see how good Ike’s coverage numbers have been over the years. Not only has he had double digit passes defensed every year he has been a starter, in 2011 he was one of the most effective CBs at preventing catches in the game (no, not Revis level, that was BS, but still up there). And I am not even a huge Ike fan, I just know he is underrated.

    “You say that Ocho Cinco didn’t have great games against the Steelers. So what! He also had a man by the name of Houshmanzada, that was a straight beast during those times. In fact, Ike wasn’t playing him man-to-man anyway.”

    You are defeating your own argument here. Contrary to your claims, Ike DID generally play Johnson straight up man to man, and the lack of other quality CBs is what freed up Housh to do what he did. NOT the other way around. Just look at how poorly Housh played once he want to Seattle. While there is of course a system element to Ike’s success (there is to EVERYONE’s, only a fool would say otherwise), Ike has routinely been tasked with man coverage on the other team’s top WR, and has succeeded more often than not.

    Lastly, I just looked closer at you ridiculous list again, and Vontae Davis isn’t even a full time starter on a poor Colts team. Nice try.

    Anyway, I am done with this discussion, as trying to convince you of anything other than your preconceived notions is a waste of my time.

  • Paul

    If anything you said was the truth, then I could be convinced, but you still don’t get it. Underrated as to what? What is he underrated for? Pro Bowls? He’s not close to being a Pro Bowl player. The fact that you searched all the CB’s and chose Davis says you can’t see anyone else that’s better. My point exactly. Even if he’s #16, he’s STILL NOT A PRO BOWLER. Please tell me how he’s underrated. Every corner I listed can play man-to-man too! Ike is a decent corner at best like I said. You also believe the Steelers don’t primarily play zone coverage too huh? Lol. How many games do you watch? Honestly, that’s true, there is more to playing the position then just getting picks, but all that stat tells me is that QB’s are throwing at him at a high level. If he was the supposed “beast or Pro Bowl corner”, then QB’s wouldn’t throw at him that much, which would eliminate the battled balls. And you follow football. Ok buddy!

  • Paul

    By the way, ONLY A FOOL WOULD SAY OTHERWISE. Lol. You’re a clown with these silent insults! Internet Gangsta!

  • Michael Mazanowski

    Vince Williams will be looked at years down the road as a steal in this draft! He stays in shape and already has command among the rookies!

  • hergieburbur

    You DO realize that you are arguing against a position I am NOT taking, don’t you? You keep saying “Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl”. I never called him a Pro Bowl CB; or even a top 5 or 10 CB. I said he is a solid lock down CB. As for your list, Honestly, I didn’t even read the whole thing as it was immaterial to what I’ve been saying. Davis’s name just happened to jump out at me on second glance, and I found it comical.

    “You also believe the Steelers don’t primarily play zone coverage too huh? Lol. How many games do you watch?”

    Apparently more than you, since while we are a zone team, up until last season, when Lewis took over the role, we would put Ike in man against teams with a top WR like Fitz, Johnson, Green, etc. You realize we play a more hybrid style than pure zone style, right? Allen will likely be asked to do the same thing this year that Lewis did last year and Ike did before him.

    “If he was the supposed “beast or Pro Bowl corner””

    Where did I call him a beast? Or even a Pro Bowler? The only time Ike was close to a Pro Bowler was in 2011, his best year, and he probably should have gone over Champ Bailey, who had the same INTs, FEWER PDs, and worse coverage ratings, but got in on his name. And Yes, the lack of INTs DID likely keep him out that year. The other CBs that year were Revis, who earned it, and McCourty, who put up similar numbers but played on the 31st ranked passing defense in the league. The fact is, if Ike had 4 INTs that year instead of 2, he was a Pro Bowler, simple as that. Does that make him a perennial Pro Bowl CB? No. So, stop with the straw man arguments and pay attention to what I AM saying. Ike is a solid #1 cover CB at the end of his career. Even if you put him at 21, or 25, that is still true.

  • hergieburbur

    Reading comprehension not your strong suit? Or did you just forget what you had said previously? In no way was that comment calling you a fool, or a silent insult (the above comments probably were, but from where I am sitting, if the shoe fits…). Let me explain:

    I said “While there is of course a system element to Ike’s success (there is to EVERYONE’s, only a fool would say otherwise),…”. That means that only a fool would claim that the defensive system a player plays in doesn’t affect their success. Nowhere did I, or you, claim that there wasn’t a system element to his game, in fact, you said the opposite. So this doesn’t apply to you. See how that works? So stop getting so butt-hurt over nothing, Internet Gangsta!

  • hergieburbur

    Actually, nevermind everything I just posted. I just remembered who you are and realized it’s a waste of time to present facts to you. You are just another disgruntled yinzer that whines all the time because he doesn’t understand Steeler Football and why we aren’t like most other teams.

  • Paul

    First off, you keep saying underrated, so obviously it must mean Pro Bowler, because what is he underrated against? Answer that and stop running around it. What in the heck should he be considered then? Underrated how? Do you understand that question? Once again, your argument has been about his body of work right? So why are you only speaking about last years defense when they had Ike mostly playing man. Why? The argument is about his whole body of work. I even recall when Cowher wanted to bench him. No true #1 is even close to getting bench. Ever! Forget that anyway. By the way, do you have ANY idea what a lock down cover is? Please explain what a lock down corner is and please name on that isn’t a Pro Bowler. Before you even say Vonte Davis, I would never say that he’s a lock down corner, but that he’s just better than Ike. I’ll wait for your list of “lock down” corners. People use these titles way too loosely! Just name me 5 guys that you consider “lock down”. And you don’t need to add an “apostrophe s” at the end of Davis, all you need is a simple apostrophe after the “s”. Just a little help for my Steeler buddy!

  • Paul

    And one last thing hergieburbur, this isn’t a discussion for you or I to change our minds about our beliefs. This is simply a place to state why we feel a certain way about the topic. That’s it, so please stop saying that “you know who I am and you can’t convince me”. I don’t need to be convinced. It’s a discussion amongst fans of a team that we both love. Period. So with that, you can answer the questions or not, but you will believe what you will and I will do the same. Ike just isn’t that good. Lol. Take care!

  • hergieburbur

    “First off, you keep saying underrated, so obviously it must mean Pro
    Bowler, because what is he underrated against? Answer that and stop
    running around it.”

    Since when does underrated=Pro Bowl? Do you not know what the word means? It means the he is better than the common perception of him by people like
    you. I thought it was pretty simple.

    “So why are you only speaking about last years defense when they had Ike mostly playing man.”

    Read it again Einstein, I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT LAST YEAR.

    “And you don’t need to add an “apostrophe s” at the end of Davis, all you need is a simple apostrophe after the “s”. Just a little help for my Steeler buddy!”

    Actually, the rule can go either way when the word ends in S, depending on which style guide you follow. But it doesn’t matter, as the moment someone tries to attack your grammar, you know you’ve won and they got nothing. Especially when you consider the irony
    of mis-using the apostrophe in earlier in your post.

  • hergieburbur

    You are right, why would ANYONE, EVER want to keep an open mind or have a real, intelligent discussion over the internet? That’s just stupid.

  • Paul

    Once again, what did you win! Lol. You pick and choose whatever questions you want to answer. Obviously you’re an uneducated fool! Peace. Do and say what you will buddy. “The rule can go either way”. Lol. Ok buddy. Tell that to your high school teacher in class tomorrow! Now I KNOW you’re a clown! You won buddy. Whatever that is!

  • hergieburbur

    “Please explain what a lock down corner is and please name on that isn’t a Pro Bowler. Before you even say Vonte Davis, I would never say that he’s a lock down corner, but that he’s just better than Ike. I’ll wait for your list of “lock down” corners. People use these titles way too loosely! Just name me 5 guys that you consider “lock down”.

    Why would I say Vontae (notice the A, grammar nazi) Davis? A lock down CB is a corner that can be relied upon to cover and minimize the other teams top WR. You want 5 of them? That’s easy: Revis, Sherman, Nnamdi, J Jo, Samuel, Brandon Browner, Peterson. I could go on. You want “on that isn’t a Pro Bowler”, I assume you mean one? Leon Hall, Ladarius Webb, Sam Shields, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr (though he may move to safety), Cary Williams, Ike Taylor, Greg Toler is getting there, so is Keenan Lewis if he stays consistent. All of them are capable of taking on top WRs on a regular basis. If you had properly understood my last post, you would see that I stated that Lewis did it last year while Ike did it prior to that (not exclusively that year, read slower).

  • Paul

    Man shut up! I expect grammatical errors from everyone on this site, because we all rush, but when you blatantly have grammatical errors, that’s when it’s a concern. Everyone knows that’s a simple mistake, but your uneducated self believes that it was correct. Lol. Now stop the comments, because you lost! Or you won. Whatever clown. Peace!

  • Paul

    And for my LAST comment, you summed up exactly what I meant. How in the world do you place Ike in any of those players columns? You’re right, Revis and Sherman are lock down corners, but Ike is NOWHERE near them. At all! And you believe that Ike is better or in the same class as Flowers and Peterson? Lol. You’re truly a clown now and clouded by the Black and Gold. If you knew anything, there would be no way you would place Webb or Hall in the same class as Ike. They are really really good and much better than Ike. Period! Watch a few games and get back to me. Peace! Greg Toler? Lol

  • hergieburbur

    You expect grammatical errors (as do we all, though I would love to see my “blatant grammatical error” since it doesn’t exist), but YOU are the one that started on the grammar nazi BS. Are you so stupid that you can’t even remember that? FYI, from Purdue’s English Dept:

    “add ‘s to the singular form of the word (even if it ends in -s):
    James’s hat (James’ hat is also acceptable. For plural, proper nouns that are possessive, use an apostrophe after the ‘s': “The Eggleses’ presentation was good.” The Eggleses are a husband and wife consultant team.)”

    I could give a crap less what grammar you use, but if you are going to be a pedantic jagoff, you better make sure you are correct about it. Especially when you are going to bandy about insults based on your own ignorance. Douche.

  • hergieburbur

    Straw man fallacy again. Might as well finish like you started. Since you seem unaware of what that is, let me explain. A straw man fallacy is when a person argues against a point that the person they are debating did not make. For example: I never placed Ike in the same class as Revis or Sherman. YOU are the only one mentioning them together. He was though, at his peak, in the same class as a guy like Webb or Hall. He is slowing down, we all recognize that. Some of us though, are capable of looking beyond the obvious stats at the whole picture.

    But then, considering the bulk of your comments on here: “Ike sucks! cut him, Lewis sucks! I am glad we let him go, Gay sucks! Why did we sign him? J Jones Sucks! Why did we draft him?” sprinkled liberally with the use of ad hominem attacks, straw man fallacies, and the use of “clown”. I wouldn’t expect you to be able to make a cogent argument or understand any of this in depth.

  • Paul

    For the last dag-on time, go to ANY graduate program and use that same grammar and see what they say. You graduated from where again? Ok buddy! I don’t care about grammatical errors that everyone knows isn’t correct, but when you truly believe a grammatical error is correct, then you’re a clown. Even though you found something online about the error, you didn’t know about it then, so stop acting as if you did. Aside from all that, you won. Congrats! Now go get your prize! Peace clown! Lol. The fact that you did research to find out if it was acceptable is hilarious enough. And trust me, it isn’t. Straight clown! Now let me go check Davis’s stats. Lol. idiot!

  • hergieburbur

    Dumbass, the rule DOES go either way. Google (that’s that new-fangled search engine thing) ‘Apostrophe after s’. In the singular possessive after a proper noun in which your pronounce the extra s, as in Davis, ‘S is the PREFERRED form in correct English, though your way is acceptable. You are just making yourself look dumber and dumber by continuing on.

    As for what I’ve won? Nothing. Nothing at all. It’s an idiomatic expression meaning that you have no real substance to your argument so you are forced to resort to ad hominem attacks against grammar (which you sadly can’t even get correct). You have not posted a single fact or logical argument in this entire discussion. You have just meandered from one fallacy and or opinion to the next.

  • Paul

    Lol. Did I like the pick of Jones? No I didn’t. I felt we could’ve used a safety at that spot instead of a pick at that position, especially given that I see some serious potential in Worilds. Do I like Gay, heck no! He isn’t a reliable corner and I’m sure we could’ve found a better option than him in free agency. Lewis isn’t that good, but you’ll see that this year. He is however better then Ike now. I’ll give you that, Ike was better than Lewis years ago. I’m done with you clown! Do I love the rest of our team? NO DOUBT! I actually think Allen is better than all of our corners. Peace

  • Paul

    Once again, take that to your English teacher in High School tomorrow and tell me what she/he says. Uneducated bum!

  • hergieburbur

    I got my bachelor’s degree years ago, let alone HS. BUT, in HS English, my English teacher, referencing the Oxford dictionary and other proper stylistic references, taught me the correct usage. It’s not my fault (or hers) that you don’t know it. If Dave allowed link posting here I could post 20 that showed you just how wrong you are.

  • hergieburbur

    I never said I disagreed with everything you said, just that all you have done is bitch.

    And please, since you are so knowledgeable about English, find another word aside from ‘clown’, it gets tiresome. I suggest “person who amuses themselves with Paul’s ignorance”.

  • Paul

    Nice! Nice job with the grammar. You’re learning. People tend to learn things at their own pace. See something wrong in this comment? Lol

  • hergieburbur

    Dag-on isn’t a word. And most grad schools follow the Oxford dictionary:

    Personal names that end in –s

    With personal names that end in -s: add an apostrophe plus s when you would naturally pronounce an extra s if you said the word out loud:

    He joined Charles’s army in 1642.
    Dickens’s novels provide a wonderful insight into Victorian England.
    Thomas’s brother was injured in the accident.

    Note that there are some exceptions to this rule, especially in names of places or organizations, for example:

    St Thomas’ Hospital

    If you aren’t sure about how to spell a name, look it up in an official place such as the organization’s website.

    With personal names that end in -s but are not spoken with an extra s: just add an apostrophe after the -s:

    The court dismissed Bridges’ appeal.
    Connors’ finest performance was in 1991.

    THAT is the proper English, though most style guides allow s’ in common use. Which is exactly what I said from the start. Either one works and you are a pedantic tool for pretending otherwise.

    “The fact that you did research to find out if it was acceptable is hilarious enough.” I am glad you enjoy it, as the five seconds it took to provide proof of your ignorance was immensely amusing to me bozo (See, there ARE other words for clown)..

  • hergieburbur

    I have to say, watching you flail and gasp while pretending to be so educated and intelligent has been one of the most amusing parts of my day. Good night.

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