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Steelers Versus Redskins – Winners And Losers


There really wasn\’t much to get excited about Monday night in the Pittsburgh Steelers preseason loss to the Washington Redskins as there was a lot more bad and ugly for a second week in a row. Here is my list of winners and losers in the game and the loser list isn\’t near as long as it should be.

Make sure to add yours below in the comments.

WINNERS:

Emmanuel Sanders – Sanders only caught two balls in the game for 39 yards, but both catches showed how good of hands he has. In addition, the Steelers former third-round draft was noticed blocking well, which has long been a solid trait of his.

Jonathan Dwyer – Dwyer was far from perfect in this game as he had a few bad decisions when carrying the football. He did, however, rush for 68 yards on 14 carries with three of those carries going for 12 yards or more. Yes, his fumble was inexcusable, but I feel he showed enough to be listed on the plus side.

Jarvis Jones – Jones looked like a first-round draft pick Monday night and his quickness along with a proper read resulted in him forcing a fumble on a pitchout to his side. He still needs to develop counter moves to use in rushing the passer, but he was a physical presence in the game nonetheless.

Markus Wheaton - It was a good night for the 2013 draft class and Wheaton showed not only his speed and ability to get open, but good concentration in making the catches he needed to. I didn\’t notice any mental mistakes from him in this game and he successfully caught all three punts that were kicked to him without issue.

Shamarko Thomas – Thomas was always around the football in the box and delivered two crushing tackles which resulted in a fumble on one of them. I sure wish that he would get his head up.

Michael Palmer – I know of a couple big tackles that Palmer that perhaps saved a touchdown on two punts, so the stats man must of credited both of them to Terence Garvin, who wears the same number as Palmer. While I haven\’t looked closely just yet, on the surface it appears as though the tight end had a better than average night blocking.

 LOSERS:

Offensive Line – Sans perhaps Ramon Foster, the play of every offensive lineman on the roster Monday night was far from acceptable. All of the starters except for Foster and Gilbert drew a penalty flag and center Maurkice Pouncey was no match for Redskins nose tackle Barry Cofield. The second team offensive line was just as bad as Guy Whimper had no business playing guard and Kelvin Beachum had his hands full at left tackle. There were four sacks allowed in the game and it felt like it should have been double that.

Bruce Gradkowski – Gradkowski was far from accurate in the game and his receivers bailed him out on a few of his throws. In addition, he is responsible for getting fullback Will Johnson knocked out the game thanks to him leading him right into a hit.

Robert Golden – I sure would like to know what Golden was thinking on the touchdown run by running back Roy Helu Jr. from 30 yards out.

David Paulson – For every good block it seemed like Paulson made, which mostly seemed to include him being on the move, he had two bad ones when used as an in-line tight end. This is the same Paulson from last year with the only change being that he looks old enough to drive now.

William Gay – Yes, this week it was indeed on Gay as Leonard Hankerson screwed the cornerback into the ground with a great double move.

Mike Tomlin – Tomlin did not have the team ready to play this game and outside of some good efforts from a few of the draft class, this was yet another case of Steelers beating Steelers.

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  • Dwayne Ferguson

    Loser: Mike Tomlin
    This is key. I know he can do no wrong in many Steelers fans eyes but he has been inadequate for a while. I know his winning percentage but a lot of that came from inheriting a strong team and having a veteran, brilliant defensive co that has bailed this team out during most of Tomlin’s tenure.

    Let us also not forget that two years ago Tomlin took charge of the special teams and has tried to put his stamp on them. I felt they did OK last night but if they do not see a sharp improvement this year I think Tomlin deserves most of the blame.

    I think this organization held Tomlin’s hand the first couple of years and made most of his decisions but it seems clear to me they have given him more and more control/responsibility the last couple of years and the results speak for themselves.

    With the exception of last night, I hate his calls in many situations to go for it on fourth down. At least they tried play action last night… but the last couple of years his fourth down decisions have been painfully obvious.

    Tomlin is a likable guy, smart and has a good presence- he also is good at least at saying all the right things, but…
    it is time for him to start getting better results from knowing the right things to say.

  • Mike.H

    Dave: you wrote Tomlin did not have the Steelers ready for the game. Could you explain further as in what area?

  • Richard Edlin

    Definitely Palmer as a winner. Thomas also appeared a relatively consistent threat (against lesser opposition).

    I’d add Batch into the losers – given Dwyer’s workmanlike performance, the likely need to carry an additional tight end and Palmer’s play on ST, the odds are getting longer on him making the squad. I’d probably add all the coaching staff in other than LeBeau too.

    Whimper: Oh, God; No.

  • bgsteelfan

    All of them

  • bgsteelfan

    I think you have to put Worilds as a loser too. He got burnt, then yanked, then Jones came up with the big fumble. The odds of him starting for very long this season are getting slimmer and slimmer. Yes, Jones still has a ways to go, but I think he will see a lot of time on the field.

  • DAYSNWAYS

    I would add both the Williams’ to the winners. Nick, had a couple of tackles and a sack, I noticed him get good penetration, he is a physical specimen. Vince teamed with the hit with Shamarko that popped the ball loose and had another high energy outing.

    Again Arnfelt left the game with two tackles to his name , one of which was a behind the LOS beauty

  • ELIJAH

    Whimper is trash.

  • Ahmad

    I’m sorry but how is it Tomlins fault the OL kept holding every other play or couldn’t run block? Yeah he’s the head coach but at the end of the day the players have to execute and the execution specifically on offense was terrible. I guess it was Tomlins fault Ben threw the ball right to Kerrigan instead of lofting it over him or his fault that Pouncey got his ass handed to him by that NT or that William Gay got beaten pretty good on a double move for a TD. I’m not saying Tomlin is flawless but I’m putting this loss more or less on the players for lack of execution.

  • Patrick

    I did not see winners last night only losers.

  • Jason

    I think Dave’s point was that the team looked flat and not ready to play ala the Chargers game last year and yes that lies on the coach to make sure his team is ready. And at some point when a team continues to make the same stupid mistakes over and over leadership and dicsipline from the coaching staff comes into question.

  • Dwayne Ferguson

    If Tomlin is going to be a head coach… at some point in time the phrase “The buck stops here” has to come out of his mouth.

  • Bradys_Dad

    There is absolutely no sense of “fire in the belly” anymore.
    Guy Whimper ? WTF !
    OL – this is what 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders get you?
    Coaching – some of the worst player development and game prep displayed in years.
    And to think, we’re almost tapped out salary cap wise. I’m almost wishing that we would have gone wholesale changes this year and at least have something to look forward to. Strap on your helmets for another 8-8 (if we’re lucky) season.
    Yes I’m writing out of frustration.

  • Bradys_Dad

    Tomlin is chief cook and bottle washer but the rest of the coaching staff is just as culpable. I hope they’re as embarrassed as Steelers fans are everywhere.

  • James Kling

    He cannot die fast enough.

  • James Kling

    I liked what McCoy did in very limited action. Showed a lot of fight for YAC, some nice wiggle. Plus, unlike Paulson, he appears to be of drinking age.

  • Chris

    Gilbert does not look good at all, I think Beachum should be given an opportunity to win the right tackle position. Cam Heyward does not look like a #1 pick, Jason Worlids looks like “just a guy” and we can’t have that at the ROLB position. Gilreath didn’t dress, not a good sign for him. I’ll throw in Kevin Colbert as a loser tonight, we spent a lot of high draft picks on this OL and it isn’t pretty, a lot of young guys he drafted are not looking good. Although this year’s rookie class did show some good things tonight.

  • T R

    OMG i should stayed home. Aside from having horrible celluar reception in FeDEX field so i can scream online as to how bad this team looked. We should left Gay in free agency. he playing worst then he did when he left. OMG poor Pouncey, they ran thru him like he was a rooke.
    Please add Ryan Clark to this Loser list. I sat directly behind Ryan Clark.. I know yall didnt see but as our team was being slammed, he was busy on the sideline giving autographs and clowing with the fans. Instead of providing veteran leadership to the Defense. I mean come on Ryan…help the team….

  • Weiss Chad

    I thought woodley looked good.O line was about the worse performance I have seen from them and that say alot.This team changed when tomlins ego fired arians.He played to his players strengths.Haley is way to predictable and takes what his players do well and asks them to change.The players dont fit his system imo.all the defense has to do is play up close cuz its gonna be a quick five yard out or run.Everyone knows they wanna run and they cant.Hmm run first and second five yard pass on third.Smh I can understand why bens prob upset.They tried fixing somethin that wasnt broken andbroke it.Anyways its pre season but it would be nice to see some production fron first tean offense

  • Bell Cow

    LOSER: TOMLIN : This team looks like a disorganized mess and that falls directly on Tomlin and this entire coaching staff. The penalties, missed blocking assignments, continued special teams errors, etc. Also, everyone thought it would’ve been best to have Bell sit this week to help his knee heal, but of course they decided to suit him up and now he’s back to being injured. Once again, that’s Tomlin not being smart with handling players injuries. Tomlin is operating a smashed mouth camp, but apparently no one knows what they’re supposed to do once the game starts.

  • treeher

    I see a parallel here. Obama does not get blamed for the economy and Tomlin doesn’t get blamed for Steelers performance. Time for the top guy to have some accountability.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    This is a tune game. I wish Steelers fans would ease out, yes playcallings was bad but that’s the point- to throw players under the car and give them immediate experience. Steelers KNEW Paulone couldn’t block jack, we all already have, so why did we do it anyway? Testing our +Ilinemen mentality. Gilbert who many would said played a bad game, I disagree. He did had his hands full but he played a stellar and that interception by Ryan Kerrigan was just a brilliance on Kerrigan’s part. I mean heck it figures our defense came and played like its a mid-season and we are In playoff hunt. Watch Michael Palmer and Will Johnson to make more blocking next week (if Will is healthy) we just need more wrinkles.

    Tell me its a coincidence that when Bell ran, he couldn’t find holes but Dwyer came in and hit the hole just fine? Dwyer always had been the better running back. Let Bell take a backseat this season, develop and when he’s ready he’ll contribute. Our O-line did okay, not great but okay. Athleticism all are there, Giants and Redskins both are known for pass-rushing and Tomlin did a good job by scheduling those teams in pre-season for such preparedness. Growing pains had to happen and that’s what we are going through. By end of season people probably will say Tomlin is the best head coach in NFL and when he’s not winninglike now people are calling for his head.

    TYPICAL.

  • steeltown

    Not only did Dwyer run well, but I believe he also had 2tackles.. obviously the fumble hurts his cause, but he’s showing why he warrants a roster spot over B.Batch

    I thought once again Arnfelt played well, couple tackles and one tackle for loss, N.Williams also played well for his first time out I think he had a sack, a tackles for loss and a QB hit… and I think TE Palmer just secured himself a roster spot lastnight and Cromartie-Smith is continuing to play well

    4 turnovers by our Defense was nice to see

  • steeltown

    Its preseason, hell the Patriots lost 3 out of 4 preseason games last season and still went 12-4 and won the East.. its still only preseason

    That said, the Le’veon injury sucks, and the entire OLine had a pretty awful game

  • Patrick

    Bell may have a LIZ FRANK , per espn what is that?

  • Weiss Chad

    Winners imo -Woodley,shark,wheaton,and polamalu for staying healthy.Losers Tomlin,bicknell,and haley,o line,Where is antonio brown? Paulson.Heyward cant produce against 2@3 stringers.Was hoping to see more al woods,ta amu and justin brown:(

  • Bumpyjenkins

    O’line has athletic ability, they don’t have technique. As much as I like Tomlin, he needs to stop yelling and acting like Mussolini and start to “TEACH”. These guys aren’t being taught. It appears they are being “TOLD”. There’s a big difference. It’s an easy fix. You can’t hold if you’re “punching”. If you’re punching then you can’t lunge. We don’t punch and pull back, punch and pull back. We grab and lunge.

  • DAYSNWAYS

    The most worrying thing is this O’line, Pouncey has been asked to step up and take on more of a leadership role, so he wears a Hernandez hat, and his play seems to be regressing – he should be leading by example, Gilbert seems to have regressed too, though I’ve never been high on him anyway, too soft. Still early days for Mike at LT, id prefer him on the right, but where does that leave us? Even Beachum disappointed me last night. DeCastro and Foster were the only two to gain a pass.

  • steeltown

    N.Williams does look good, although it was against 2nd and 3rd Teams he played well, a sack, tackle for loss and a QB hit

    Wish we could carry 8DL.. don’t want to lose him or Arnfelt at this point

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Thank you! You don’t play pre-season to win. You play pre-season to correct the repeatedly mistakes from previous season as we all know Detroit Lions went 4-0 in pre-season once and how did they fared? 0-16!

    I only hope for three things that we won’t see this season:

    1). Throwing RB under the bus. This destroy the confidence of our whole running game, its not just one man.

    2). Better usage of techniques among our O-linemen. Yes they got destroyed but noticed the improvement with Marcus Gilbert, that’s important because durability lie within techniques.

    3). Increase amount of turnover takeaways, we are now seeing some…

    The rest are very fixable.

  • steeltown

    Everyone wants to blame Tomlin and Haley.. but Its Preseason.. its all about execution at this point and that falls mostly on the players, saying a Team is predictable in preseason goes without saying, they are not opening up the playbook at this juncture its purely about execution

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Arnfelt I believe is a good find…he has been solid in 2 games.

  • Bumpyjenkins

    agree.. but basic technique for guys playing ball all their lives seems like not too much to ask. There is no discipline seems like just yelling HNIC type stuff.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    I think Ike played poor getting beat deep for the 2nd week in a row. Polo looked really good. Victorian had what seemed to be a solid game and Ventrone made quite a few tackles and the ST penalty was iffy being the returner put up the fair catch signal late.

  • Crazy Bone

    “Mike Tomlin – Tomlin did not have the team ready to play this game and outside of some good efforts from a few of the draft class, this was yet another case of Steelers beating Steelers.”
    I think it is time for some of you to realize that the team is not talented. All they did is lose players this off season and they were only 8-8 last year. The OL is going to struggle all year because they are not that good. I don’t think Gilbert or Adams can play LT which is a problem.
    I must admit I smile when I think of all the Steeler fans who swore my man Arians was the problem with the offense. “Anybody is better than Arians”. Well the fact is that Arians was never the problem. He stated last year that the OL with the Colts was better than what he had in Pittsburgh and he was right.
    This is a roster that will be trying its best to hold off the Stains for last place.

  • Steeler Wheeler

    Keep them on as backup OL while they learn the D, they have to be better than the scrubs that played last night.

  • MP34

    Can we at least be free from political talk on a Steelers blog?

  • SteelerCop

    I think the losers last night are Todd Haley…and The STEELERS front office…the years of not showing your offense during preseason are over…HOPEFULLY, that’s what has been happening…if not…we are going to be in trouble! Also, zone blocking doesn’t work with slower RBs (Dwyer)…getting hit in the backfield because the guards have already pulled to the edge! Bell and Stephens-Howling need to stay healthy…for our running game to be effective! GOD help us with our passing game! Lastly…we need a nose tackle that can effectively engage two offensive linemen…so our OLBs can rush the QB! Let’s get it together STEELERS!

  • Hal Brewster

    Why does no one call out Kevin Colbert??? He is the one that put this bunch together. Especially this rag tag OL! Two starting tackles are horrible. I don’t care if they are second picks or not. Bad is bad. Mike Adams was off their draft board because he was stupid. Now smokin’ a “J” doesn’t mean a person is stupid, but smoking weed before the combine means you are pretty stupid. Just because he comes to you with hat in hand on bended knee, you decide to draft him anyway. what did you expect him to do, but beg. He was off your board, he should have stayed off. And not for being stupid, but for being a bad player. I saw every down he played in college and could have told Colbert he was not good player. And Gilbert, Colbert asks his buddy (Pouncey) for an assessment??? The same guy who later recommended Rainey??? What would he expect his friend and former teammate to say, but sure he’s good. Kevin, you are supposed to be the expert, you have a staff paid to evaluate talent. Do your job. Oh and Kevin thought , we need depth on the OL. I know, let’s sign Guy Whimper. Unbelievable. Can’t believe how Kevin Colbert gets a free pass. If you will remember, Colbert was brought in to be Bill Cower’s lackey, his yes man. Cower didn’t get along with Donahoe and basically forced the Rooney’s to get rid of Donahoe. Since being left to his own devices, his incompetence is becoming more clear. People want to blame Tomlin, and maybe he isn’t a great coach, but you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken cr@&. And Kevin Colbert is the one delivering the chicken cr@&. Time the Rooney’s realize this.

  • steeltown

    The sky isn’t falling in preseason

  • steeltown

    Exactly… its up to the PLAYERS to execute during preseason

  • Hal Brewster

    No one said the sky is falling. Just stating that Kevin Colbert is a terrible GM. Thought that before this preseason.

  • steeltown

    But why, because of poor OL play in the 2nd preseason game of the 2013 season?

    Its a little early to be calling Mike Adams a “bad player” the guy is only 23yrs old and has never played LT at the pro level

  • AndyR34

    This is uncalled for and totally inappropriate. I, however, do not believe that he should be on any pro football team, let alone the Steelers.

  • AndyR34

    It’s Tomlin’s fault that the team plays with a lack of discipline and focus on their jobs.

  • AndyR34

    Offense was not any LESS predictable under Arians…run into the middle of the line, pass, pass…and was actually worse in the red zone.

  • bonairsfavoriteson

    loser, the guy that said we were going to pass rush with our defensive ends, our defensive ends get blocked with tight ends and rb, to them, penetration is being able to stand up with out getting knocked down. the skins showed us what a pass rushing dl is all about. quickness, power and know how.

  • Bell Cow

    It’s not about the loss. It’s about the fact they look like they regressed from last week. All the penalties, missed blocking assignments, and continual poor special teams. That is a lack of discipline and Tomlin needs to take responsibility and correct those issues.

  • bonairsfavoriteson

    Biggest loser, ABC, what a pathetic telecast, more like a 3 hour commercial for RG3 AND those stupid sideline interviews that everyone forgets as soon as they end.

  • AndyR34

    She was the youger sister of Anne Frank…:) Its called ‘lis franc’…same thing that Spaeth had. I’m no medico so you should google it.

  • Bell Cow

    Do you think Bell should’ve been playing on bum knee anyways? We all the knew kid was hurting, so why did they bother suiting him up? Also, nobody cares about the fact they lost in the preseason. The team, especially offensively looks like a disorganized mess. They get more penalties than the Oakland Raiders and the line looks completely lost out there. I understand they’re transitioning to a new offense and there is a learning curve, but they have a lot of issues to correct before the season opener. Our defense can be the best in the nfl, but it won’t matter if our offense doesn’t give them any support.

  • Bell Cow

    It’s a sprain/fracture in his foot. Not good….

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I am of the belief that players take on the personality/attitude of their coach (to some degree). Chuck Noll was a tough, no non sense SOB. He instilled that in his players. Bill Cowher was a fiery physical emotional guy. He instilled that in his players.

    Mike Tomlin is more of a cool cat kind of guy. And his players have taken on that montra (to some degree). There are advantages and disadvantages to that.

    IMO the current Steelers play much more calm and under control than the Cowher Steelers. They are more free to just go out and be athletic. Because of that make a lot big plays, especially those that showcase speed. Tomlin loves guys with speed/quickness. Timmons, Worilds, Wallace, Sanders, Jones, Rainey.

    However, his players also lack intensity and physicality. Name me one Steeler OL who blows people off the ball? Name me one Steeler DL who throws his opponent like a rag doll and gets after the QB? Name me one Steeler WR who’s a tenacious blocker? Name me one Steeler LB who consistently delivers bone jarring hits?

    Tomlin does not teach/instill/demand physicality to the level we’re used to. And as a result the Steelers suffer in man on man battles. Tomlin does not teach/instill/demand intensity to the level we’re used to. And as a result the Steelers suffer from mental lapses. Tomlin does many things well but those are a couple of his flaws IMO.

  • Mkeller

    Not a big fan of the phrase “Steelers beating themselves”. This is not a very good football team on offense and special teams and that’s why they look bad. They are overmatched and undisciplined in both phases. Health on defense is their only prayer of remaining competitive on any level in 2013. It’s unfortunate but Ben is in for a long season. Marcus Gilbert seems uninterested. Not sure if the move to right tackle is in his head or if that’s just his mentality. Beachum is a 2nd year player and a 7th round pick at that. Though its likely to happen, his replacing Gilbert at right tackle is not a good thing. But the question that burns the brightest is what the hell are they going to do if/when Adams goes down?????? That don’t have a single viable backup at any one of the o-line positions. Very,very scary stuff.
    On a positive the defense looked decent before Woodley left the game. It’s imperative however they find an answer at CB over William Gay. I know the hope is that Cortez Allen is that guy but you have to think the jury is still out based on injury history and limited playing time.
    If you look at key metrics over the last (3) years like time of possession, penalty’s/Yds per game, turnover ratio, QB hurries/Sacks, special teams statistics it really doesn’t bode well for Mike Tomlin as they are trending the wrong way.

  • steeltown

    Agreed. The OLine looked terrible and with desperation comes mistakes/penalties. They really need to do some soul searching..I believe the talent (in the starting 5) is there.
    I said yesterday that I was uneasy about them starting Le’Veon this week. Most people told me that he has to play at some point and earn his starting role, I agree with that assessment but I was leaning toward starting him against KC this Saturday. In the end obviously no one could predict that he would hurt his foot, but…

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I don’t think Colbert “sucks”. But I do feel he has whiffed on some very important picks lately. In a 3-4 defense, you don’t spend your 1st round pick on a DE (let alone TWO 1st round picks). Colbert refuses to draft an OT in the 1st round (and then he wonders why they cannot handle elite pass rushers).

    Every draft has some hits and misses. He has hit monster homers his middle round WRs IMO. But we are still one OT and one OG away from a solid OL. It’s time to draft an elite lock down LT (even if that means trading up).

  • T R

    All i know is it was hard to sit in that staduim and take that abuse, preseason or not.. We in TROUBLE>>>>

  • steeltown

    Most elite 1st Rd Offensive Tackles are off the board between picks 1-10.. the Steelers never pick that high, so they have to go with tier 2

  • James Kling

    Sheesh, lighten up.

  • Steeler Wheeler

    Winners: A whole host of guys on the 53 man cut-line. No way in he!! this team should keep more than 7 O-Lineman…not that #3 through #7 are anything to write home about, but the 8th and 9th guys would get their scholarship pulled from Alabama. Terrible. Don’t waste roster spots on these dudes.

  • cencalsteeler

    Our defense has also lost that fear factor. It was pretty obvious when the sideline reporters were talking to the Skins players and you could see how much fun they were having over there on the other side.

  • cencalsteeler

    When a receiver drops a pass, Ben says he has confidence in him and he’s going to go right back to him with another pass. I like that about him. Tomlin is the opposite. Worilds gets one play and gets yanked. What is Tomlin instilling in Jason? Not good coaching if you ask me.

  • Bell Cow

    Where’s the leadership on this team? I kept seeing shots of Clark and Brown smiling to the crowd, signing autographs during the game while our team was getting their asses beat. Clark might as well just start his nfl broadcasting career today. Meanwhile, Brown better start becoming a true #1 WR or else the front office is going to regret paying him instead of Wallace, who by the way looks like he’s worth every penny that Miami payed him.

  • cencalsteeler

    I agree Jason, and when Tomlin says “that’s the Steelers beating the Steelers” the coaches must take some of that blame on their shoulders as well.

  • steeltown

    Very true.. was surprised by that

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Players are taught to hold where they can’t be seen or long enough. They also are taught to get off both feet when quarterback is throwing the ball. There are techniques every professional football player learned. That being said, some game referees are flag-happy, some not too much. Its part of game. Disciplines goes within mental aspects, not coaching. If you were to make some mental mistakes, coaches are supposed to gap that bridge but that’s pretty much it, they can’t cure the problem for you.

    Special team, that part I’ll agree- its becoming more apparent that it is more of personnels concern, not coaching part.We lost our special team aces in Sean Morey and Anthony Madison, this hurts. You have to evaluate this roster and ask yourself, do we sacrifice a roster spot for special team aces? I say no and that’s why we are playing like this.

    Believe it or not, how our special team plays, is pretty much- normal. Our special team few years ago were ELITE without a good returning game.

    When you start youngsters and play different repeatedly you will make mistakes, that’s the point. I wouldn’t say they regressed, no but players sure didn’t play with short-term memories except for Dwyer in first half.

    Bottom line- more mistakes we make in pre-season, better and sooner we can fix those problems. The sky isn’t falling down, it simply is just a dark storm waiting to pass by.

  • cencalsteeler

    I agree with what you say, especially about execution. And at this point through two preseason games, the first team offense has yet to score a touchdown. I believe Gruden said our offense hasn’t scored a td since Dec. 20. of last year. That is troubling and definitely not any form of execution.

  • cencalsteeler

    Your being too harsh about the oline. They are talented, their drawback is they’re young and inexperienced.

  • steeltown

    Well lets not forget last year was Haleys first as OC and we have a new OL Coach as well BUT that said, if Haley fails to coordinate this Offense in his 2nd year then he WILL be gone in 2014

  • cencalsteeler

    I like your optimism Steeltown, but we need to face facts. No other team cares if it’s Haileys second year with us as no other team cares if Bicknell is our new ol coach. That doesn’t matter. What matters is putting W’s in the win columns and from what I’ve seen so far the offense is dismal at best. Is it preseason? Sure it is, but if the Steelers intend on competing for a Lombardi this year, we need to see more production from our offense. The third and longs are getting old. The settling for field goals are getting old. Seeing Drew Butler out on the field is getting old. Staying in close games with lessor opponents is getting old. Having a nice play get negated by a holding penalty is getting old. We need to be able to march down that field and put 7’s on the board. Until that happens, I fear for a long season.

  • James Kling

    We absolutely need to go at least 8 deep and probably 9 on OL. But we need to get the last 2 from the waiver wire, because unfortunately, Embernick and Cheadle were the only 2 worth considering. Whimper and Long are junk, and the guys behind them are too.

  • Jeff S

    Penalties and poor judgment seems to be Mike Tomlin team trait the last couple of years. Maybe its because there just isn’t much talent on this team anymore but is sure seems like we are always shooting ourselves in the foot.

    Wheaton overall was a winner but he did make one huge mistake when he took a 8 yard gain and turned it into a no yard gain.

  • dgh57

    I posted a while back on a article written about how to create TOs on defense and I suggested one way was to be sandwiched tackled between Thomas & V. Williams should do the job. Seems like I may of been right about that! These 2 will help bring back some physicality back into our defense!

  • dgh57

    Nick Williams was a player I was looking forward to see play and he didn’t disappoint me. He also looked bigger than what I imagined. Looks like we my have to take our chances with putting him and/or Arnfelt on the dreaded PS.

  • steeltown

    I think what I was implying is historically it takes 1-2yrs for a new OC on a new Team to have great success..and even more so with Haley, his track record (in year 2) is pretty impressive…. guess we’ll see

  • charles

    Colbert was very correct. “You don’t win training camp.” We got a great look at this years draft. Too bad Bell had to leave because other than that our top draft picks had a good game. Jones, Wheaton, Thomas (Tomlin likes this kind of hitter). I think, that one could even claim that Williams played well. The other thing we get out of preseason is the observation of the veterans on the bubble.. Gay and Whimper had bad hair days. Worilds is a curiosity.
    Clear concern is the time that the qb had. I just don’t understand why our blitzers seem to engage their blockers. They act as if that is the goal of blitzing instead of getting the qb flat.

  • JohnnyV1

    Completely agree with Mike Tomlin & Offensive Line being unprepared to play Steeler football. Not sure if it’s the new blocking scheme and they just need time to gel as a unit or what. I hope so, otherwise, we’re in trouble, as is Big Ben.

    And please add the rookie QB, he was running for his life, but many of his throws were not good.

  • paltel

    Well, I stopped reading the comments before reaching the half way point as it is obvious that most of those commenting fail to understand the difference between a preseason and a regular season game. Additionally I take issue with the Tomlin bashing which wreaks of closeted passive/agressive racist rhetoric.

    Steelers Depot is and will continue to be my go to site for Steelers info, however my participation in the comments section will be limited.

  • steeltown

    Agreed. I like Vince and Shark a lot thus far, very physical players

  • dgh57

    I agree, question is what do we do with him? PS him and risk losing him? Tough decisions to make in regards him and N. Williams!

  • cencalsteeler

    Agree with Haley. First year is usually the feel out phase, and the second year everyone is on the same page. I hope Bicknell and Smith buck that tradition and get it in year one though!

  • steeltown

    Would be nice

  • steeltown

    Good problem to have.. if you would’ve told me back before OTAs that come cut day we’d have to make some very very tough decisions regarding backup DL and ILB.. would’ve laughed out loud

  • charles

    The Redskins looked like they wanted to win the game. The Steelers looked like they were cerebral. Colbert and Tomlin’s philosophy is clear You don’t win training camp!
    LeBeau has still not figured out how to get to the qb. That HAS to be solved.

  • dgh57

    That’s the beauty of the OTAs and preseason. We get to find some real gems to add to the roster! I kinda like the preseason because of that.

  • Bumpyjenkins

    he is not terrible..,if you think so ask the bills or the jaguars.

  • Buccos9

    I would put more blame on the GM and scouts than on Tomlin. There have been too many high draft picks in the past few years that should be strong contributors now but have not yet performed as expected – Worilds, Heyward, Curtis Brown, Gilbert, maybe Hood and Adams. In that list are two first round DEs that are average, at best. The lack of quality replacements for aging and retired players has not helped Tomlin. I do agree that there have been games in the past couple of years where they have lost to teams they should not have lost to.They play down to the level of their opposition too often, so Tomlin must take some blame for that. These first two games were discouraging, but it’s only preseason. Let’s see how things unfold.

  • Bumpyjenkins

    unprepared – not only should they “prepare” themselves first of all, the coaches should have them prepared. Start by getting a TE that can block!

  • Bumpyjenkins

    No one cares if you participate but anyway, you have some good points. Tomlin should stop bashing. i’m not sure where the “racist” stuff comes from and really don’t care. The preseason games are important. Number 1 you find out what you CAN do and the it also lets the other teams know what you CAN’T do. After these last two games, all teams have seen that they can drop 7 and bring 4 and the line won’t block and the QB will still have the ball even if they do get a boack once in awhile. Paulson over there with gilbert will not need to be blitzed.

  • treeher

    No

  • bgsteelfan

    True. I will say though that defense is typically on a shorter leash, since worse things can happen if a defensive player screws up.

  • Fivesevenzero Sports-Radio

    IMO, Gay, Foster and Whimper would of been cut right after this preseason game… There is no hope for any of them.. I’m terrified about this offense.. Sine Haley has been here its been awful.. Hoping for a rebound season for him

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.alberico.73 Andrew Alberico

    garbage

  • RedCarpetDefense

    The bitching has begun..!! As bad as it looked yesterday there are some players to be excited about. This season (as seemingly the last few have been) will be a dog fight in the division. The coaches will get it worked out, we’ll be competitive, some young players will overtake vets for more playing time, extensions will be awarded and some won’t, and we’ll start getting our injured players on the field again.

  • rn

    It’s preseason….

  • rn

    I’d argue “physicality” is down league wide. The NFL is not as physical as it was just 4 years ago, it’s a lot different now.

  • Christopher Wilkes

    Nick Williams was also completely removed from the middle, and maybe pancaked on that 30 yard run from Helu Jr.

  • paltel

    LeBeau hasn’t had a sack in decades and I suspect he won’t have one this year either.

  • paltel

    The point of the preseason is to determine which players are worthy of being on the 53 man roster and on the practice squad.

    Preseason games tell virtually nothing about what a team can or can’t do, as teams generally do no game planning for an opponent. No team worth a crap is going to spend much time in the film room watching preseason games.

    You are free to believe otherwise.

  • Hal Brewster

    I am now simply sharing my thoughts. It happens to be after the second preseason game. I just discovered this great website and decided to share my thoughts. I know my thoughts and a dollar something will get you you a cup of coffee. As I mentioned earlier, I saw every down Mike Adams played in college before he became a Steeler. He was soft and slow then and appears to be soft and slow now. As with everyone, he can improve. I hope he does. But, as of now I call it like I see it. If he improves, I will happily eat crow. In the mean time, keep up the good work. I enjoy reading what you write!

  • Bell Cow

    Haha yeah I played football throughout high school and two years at Duquesne. I understand all linemen hold to some extent. The penalties were legitimate holds in large part because they got flat out beat or missed a blocking assignment. You can continue to make excuses for the line, but in reality it’s a combination of poor talent and bad coaching.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    I’m not denying that. Talents all are raw right now, but coaching part? I don’t know. Gilbert bend his knees much better, DeCastro is playing like his 1st round status. Pouncey is an all-pro center… Mike Adams is a good but young tackle and then there is Ramon Foster who is durable and reliable. What went wrong? Must be coaches right? Nah

    Quarterback is part of issue too. If you knew you were playing with a bad O-line would you sit in pocket and wait for a wide receiver to get open? No you don’t. Big ben is a big target, which means when he shuffle left or right, new hole come up compared to tom brady who shrinks the holes for upcoming defensive players because he has small but quick feet. Footworks does matter for quarterbacks.

    ALSO… no Heath Miller… no Matt Spaeth, so we practically have no blocking tight end (although Michael Palmer is showing something). I think the other problem is mental aspect, we are expecting Heath Miller to be back, do you adapts to new way of playing or just filling in the hole with Paulson until Heath come back? Now that’s a pretty tough decision.

  • bgsteelfan

    Foster was the only starter that didn’t have any major screwups last night.

  • Fivesevenzero Sports-Radio

    Foster got beat multiple times

  • Luke Shabro

    Tomlin makes questionable game time decisions and I’m not making excuses for that. But to say he’s been inadequate? Come on man. To be honest some of the blame falls on Colbert as well. He made the decisions with ownership and the coaching staff to give big extensions to older veterans. At the time it looked like a good move. One 8-8 season and everyone is ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The performances in both the first and second preseason games were overall poor and the offensive line was absolutely abhorrent in both games. It could be the adjustment to a ZBS. I don’t care about losses in the preseason but I do care when the starters look bad. On a side note, I feel like the defense has overall been improved. The third preseason game as per usual will be the most telling. We’ll see what happens Saturday night.
    Anyways, as it pertains to Tomlin he is a likable guy and he is also even-keeled. He doesn’t really fly off the handle about stuff. I’ll take him any day of the week over loud mouths like the Harbaugh’s and Rex Ryan. That blustering loud idiot schtick gets old after a while for the players. Tomlin is far from perfect but it boggles my mind how many people are already questioning if he’s an effective head coach. Maybe it’s just the nature of social media and the interwebz now but Cowher went through a plethora of bad to mediocre seasons and he didn’t get canned. Unless this team falls to pieces and has a four win season or worse Tomlin isn’t going anywhere. I refuse to let a few preseason games shake my confidence in this team that much. The 2008 Detroit Lions went 4-0 in the preseason and proceeded to go 0-16 in the regular season. The 2006 Colts conversely were 1-3 in the preseason and went on to win Super Bowl XLI. Keep Calm and Go Steelers!

    Rant over

  • treeher

    yes, garbage, glad you agree.

  • bgsteelfan

    So did our All Pro center, who also was flagged at least once, and out first round guard. None of them played well, but singling out Foster is misdirected.

  • Fivesevenzero Sports-Radio

    Your correct.. Pouncey did have a rough game. but i truely believe that the rest of the OL.. Adams, Decastro, Pouncey and Gilbert can pull it together. Foster is the only one who really worries me.

    Foster has been bad for awhile.. i know he lost weight this offseason so he can pull and be more effective in the zone blocking scheme but until he shows signs of vast improvement i will continue to worry

  • bgsteelfan

    Foster isn’t bad. He is just an average OL with a low ceiling. He’s never going to be great, but he is good enough not to warrant being one of the main concerns on our line. The fact that we have zero depth and that Bicknell doesn’t appear to be doing so well with the ZBS transition concerns me far more than Foster.

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