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Mike Tomlin Needs To Become A Geology Expert During The Bye Week


Following the loss to the Chicago Bears, head coach Mike Tomlin said that he would turn over stones in an effort to fix the tackle situation. Judging by the play of left tackle Mike Adams Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings, he better become a geology expert during the bye week.

Through the first four games of the 2013 season, Adams has shown to be one of, if not the worst left tackles in the league. He has given up nearly four full sacks, six hits and 12 hurries and it’s only a matter of time until quarterback Ben Roethlisberger suffers an injury that will sideline for a few weeks or longer if the left tackle spot remains status quo.

Thanks to pectoral injury suffered Sunday by left guard Ramon Foster, the Steelers coaching staff wasn’t able to replace Adams with Kelvin Beachum as the former seventh-round draft pick was forced to step in for Foster. Should Foster’s injury wind up being serious, the offensive line will have yet another obstacle to overcome.

While right tackle Marcus Gilbert hasn’t been perfect to start the season, he did play above the line in the last two games and as a result he should be the starting left tackle when the Steelers face the New York Jets following the bye week. If Foster is able to play, then Beachum should get the start at right tackle, which is perhaps his best position.

If Gilbert is unable to handle the Jets defensive ends following the bye, then at least the team will know for sure that they have no left tackles on the team and they can adjust their 2014 draft plans accordingly, because the only stones left to turnover at that point are those of Adams and they appear to be real small ones.

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  • Brendon Glad

    Wow! Excellent title for this article! Actually made me smile. And smiles have been hard to come by when thinking about Steelers football so far.
    I said going into camp that it appeared to me that Gilbert played better football on the left side, and Adams played better on the right side. I’m not in love with either of them, but that’s what I would have attempted at the start of camp.
    I’m assuming that Beachum is no longer an option because he will be a starting guard now. So I agree. I would let Gilbert take a shot at LT, and if I can’t find anything good on the street, I’d just flip them and let Adams take another shot at the RT. He had good moments there last year (brief as they were).

  • Eric

    “You cant dig your way out of a hole” is the primary geology that Tomlin should understand. Additionally, practicing zone blocking in camp and using power blocking in games would be a considered a “stone” to be overturned and stoner Mike Adams standing like a stone statue has been as effective as rock boots for a swimmer in the Allegheny river.

  • Brendon Glad

    A lot of times people automatically assume that RT is simply less difficult that LT, therefore, if a guy is a poor RT, he will be a worse LT. And if a guy is a good LT he will be a better RT. I disagree with that philosophy.

    I think Max Starks was worse on the RT than the LT. I think Gilbert was better at the LT than the RT, and I think Adams was better at the RT than the LT. So to me it’s more about the individual player’s strengths and weaknesses.

  • 20Stoney

    Adams wasn’t a good pass blocker as a right tackle. I don’t know what they saw that made them think he could play on the left side. He did seem to be able to at least hold his own when they were chipping the de with a tight end, since he didn’t have to worry as much about getting beat on the outside.

  • Brendon Glad

    It IS very hard to block a pass-rusher if you can’t even touch them. So while Jared Allen is a beautiful pass-rusher, we still need to assure that our LT at least “touches” the pass-rusher.
    Just push him a LITTLE BIT and Ben can usually handle the rest…he probably prefers it, actually. His best move has always been the “quick step forward in the pocket, then dart outside the gap that remains”. But if you don’t touch them, the gap gets VERY tiny.

  • Matt Manzo

    It has to be all on the coaching staff at this point! Our lack of depth and talent is all on the coaches and player development. I’ve never been one to blame Tomlin and crew but other teams are doing more with way less! Our lack of quality draft picks in the later rounds is starting to show. Ignoring OL last draft was a BIG mistake. No big NT was a big mistake. And ilb, even with Footes injury shouldn’t be a sixth rounder.

  • Virdin Barzey

    I’m going on record as stating “we have no left tackle” on this roster. Anyone hoping for Gilbert or Adams to turn some magical corner is delusional and gullible at best. They might want to go the 7-Eleven and try a dayworker.

  • sean mcmartin

    When your QB comes out publicly and says he’s on the worst team in the NFL. My comments get validated, when the home crowd boos you loudly, validation.
    Tomlin needs to go,,and thats what WAY the Steelers need to go..
    THE HEAD COACH IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE..HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE..WIN OR LOSE..SUCKS.

  • Brendon Glad

    I tend to agree. But I’ve come to expect the OL to play poorly. They really are not doing any worse than I expected.
    The play of the defense is what has rocked my world (in a bad way). I’m literally stunned with what I saw yesterday.
    And while I try to give suggestions (as venting, or even hoping someone reads it that has a say in the whole deal)…I have almost nothing to suggest on that part. I’m at a loss. I hope LeBeau dials up something special, cuz he’s the HOF’er…I’m not.

  • dgh57

    When it comes to Mike Adams, Tomlin needs more like a PHD/Masters Degree in Geology if he expects to solve Adams problems!

  • Brendon Glad

    You are going to get blasted for that comment, so I’d like to defend you (at least a little bit) before that happens.
    I’m pretty positive that there is no way in Hell that the Rooneys fire Tomlin after this season, no matter how it turns out. Opens up too many bad PR situations (since they are known for sticking with coaches through losing stretches).
    BUT Tomlin is overrated. VASTLY overrated. His best assistant coaches STILL are guys hired by Cowher. His in-game clock management and replay-challenge choices drive me nuts.
    And now, it’s clear that many of the players have “tuned-out his message”.
    He delivers a nice press conference. And I like that about him. But not nearly as much as the National Media does. He had them at “hello” on that part, and they will defend him to the death based on that. To me, there’s a lot more to coaching than that…and you are what your record says you are. He’s been very pedestrian in the last 26 games or so.

  • Jeremy Scott

    While Tomlin goes about leaving no stone unturned, hopefully he also goes about figuring out why the Steelers just can’t seem to protect the rock…

  • Brendon Glad

    He’s feeling a LOT like John Gruden in Tampa Bay. Very similar arc.

  • Dale

    Yep. When I raised this point before the season, the response I got was that Adams had the potential to become not just a better run blocker but a better pass blocker than Gilbert. I think we’ve waited long enough for that potential to manifest. It may be that Adams can contribute more at RT than Gilbert can at LT. But Adams at LT is the blind protecting the blindside.

  • Dan

    Last week my wife asked me if Tomlin is going to get fired. I said no of course not it’s been at least 44 years since the Steelers have fired a head coach. I’ve also told her that very rarely does a coach who has “earned” the #1 overall draft pick, get the chance to exercise that pick himself the following year. Well folks, thats were we are right now. As of today we have the “best” or “worse” strength of schedule out of the 4 remaining 0-4 teams. So we are in line for the #1 overall pick.
    Team (Strengh of sked as of today)
    1.) Steelers (9-7 0.5625)
    T2.) Tampa (11-4 0.733)
    T2.) Giants (11-4 0.733)
    4.) Jax (12-4 0.750)

  • steeltown

    Switch em.. put Adams on the Right and Gilbert on the Left..if that doesnt work then you incorporate Beachum accordingly

  • Brendon Glad

    Or why the Defense can’t grab a valuable rock when it’s handed to them. They camp in Latrobe, not “Slippery Rock”, correct? Lol.

  • Brendon Glad

    I agree. But Beachum may be occupied for awhile. Looks like he’s going to be the new starting LG for a big chunk. But probably easier to find a guard on the streets than a tackle.

  • schlong

    That temperature on Tomlin’s seat should begin to warm if this crap continues

  • ty simpson

    When your qb who gets paid 12 million dollars publicly declares your team the worst in the league you start thinking about all the money you wasted and whether there are few enough lemmings in the fan base to send that qb packing without causing a riot.

  • Christopher Wilkes

    Turn over stones? LOL, he has no choices. All he can do is switch the Tackles.

  • cencalsteeler

    Unless they fix this line problem we are having, or address Ben getting rid of the ball faster, it will be a matter of time before Ben gets hurt. I am o.k. with him extending the play 3-4 times a game, but 80% of our offensive plays seem to be back yard football. The int. was a result of backyard football. Sanders tried to make his own route, and Ben tried to guess where he was going. Sanders stopped when Ben thought he was going to keep going. The short quick patterns are seeing praises from announcers and what type of breed our receivers are meant to be doing. They are small speedy receivers. The high percentage throws are what are needed. What we are witnessing is a lot of low percentage chucks down the field with some back yard plays sprinkled in. This is exactly why the Rooney’s brought in Haley, but Ben, IMO, is going against the grain and not buying into this system. It’s a selfish act on Bens part, and it WILL get him hurt.

  • Brendon Glad

    Maybe not, but the Steelers played their best offensive football when Adams was starting at RT, in my opinion.
    Gotta play to your QB’s strengths. Ben struggles most (from an OT standpoint) when his RT gets pushed back into him, or when his LT gets easily beaten outside without pushing him past the pocket. He struggles the MOST when his guards or C’s break down, but that’s not what we are talking about right now.
    Gilbert is prone to bull-rushes (that’s why he tends to fall into his teammates’ legs more than most tackles)…Adams is prone to getting beaten easily outside.
    So I don’t know what it would hurt to try it. If you’ve watched Denver or Seattle, we ain’t beating them this year in a game that matters. That one’s pretty safe. And I’m starting to wonder just how many teams the Steelers CAN beat.

  • Pete

    It can’t hurt to try Gilbert on the left and move Adams to the right. But as rookie, Adams had to face Allen who is only 2 seasons ago had 22 sacks. The guy is a sack machine and one of the all-time sack leaders among active players. It was a tall order to have Adams handle Allen. Adams only gave up 2 sacks all game. Where did the other 3 come from as Ben was sacked 5 times? The OL as a unit is suspect when it comes to both pass and run blocking.

  • Brendon Glad

    Yes, I respect Jared Allen greatly. I agree that any Steelers LT would have had a rough row to hoe against him.

  • Pete

    Everyone is talking about Adams. Let’s not forget that he won the LT position in camp and pre-season. You think Gilbert will be the answer? Neither of these tackles have enough experience and snaps to play the position well. But just as with Jonathan Scott, the Steelers felt they could get by this season without an experienced LT like Starks. And don’t tell me that Starks wouldn’t be able to run the inside and outside zone blocking. This is on Steelers management. But if you ask me, the whole line stinks at run and pass blocking.

    Tomlin is happy with 57 yds rushing from Bell? Give me a break! On the other side we saw 140 yds from Peterson. 57 yds is a reflection of the O line, not Bell.

  • Soliciting Steelers

    Amen Reverand! This is just too logical I guess, meaning its over Tomlin’s head….There you go talking common sense again Dave! ;)

  • Soliciting Steelers

    Make the switch!! However, I don’t think Beachum is much of an upgrade to constitute losing our Utility Man, more valuable as all-purpose backup

  • Pete

    I don’t know what to say except that both sides of the ball have been playing really bad ball. Drafts are a tough thing because you can only get what’s available and try to fill some of your needs. That’s why teams often have to supplement those needs with free agency (which the Steelers didn’t).

    Regarding NT, everyone was lambasting Poe a couple years ago. Well, he went very early but he’s turned out to be an excellent NT for KC. We’ll see what happens with McLendon but the Steelers are getting gouged on the ground which just didn’t happen with Hampton. The draft of Ta’amu turned out to be a wasted pick.

  • Brendon Glad

    I don’t think Dave thinks Gilbert is “the answer”. (although I can’t speak for him). I read his writing enough to be fairly confident in saying he probably thinks “it may create better results than what’s happening right now”….not “he thinks THAT is the ANSWER”. Just “a better choice.”
    Correct me if I’m wrong, Dave.

  • Pete

    Letting Starks rot on the vine is coming back to haunt them kinda like when they started Jonathan Scott and were lucky they could go and bring back Starks. Deja vu?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Love the last sentence!

  • Pete

    Yes as things stand as they are. I believe the Steelers will eventually win some games this season. They are just in panic mode now. And so are the fans.

  • Brendon Glad

    I wanted Poe too…but he was gone. Pouncey-play-debacle aside, I think the Steelers made the correct move by not trading up for such an unknown commodity as Poe. You tip your cap and say “good job Chiefs”. God knows they’ve taken their shots at first-round DT’s and DE’s. So maybe they got one right.

  • Kevin Gobleck

    I mean bell showed good vision and made a guy miss on his TD run, he did real good actually

  • Brendon Glad

    I always had great respect for Hampton. But it’s definitely grown in the last 4 weeks.

  • Ken

    We have to make a trade for some kind of left tackle. That was known 2 weeks ago before the season was lost. We can still work on the future, even its for next season and before we lose our QB to injury.

  • SteelersDepot

    I will be surprised if Gilbert winds up being a long-term solution.

  • Brendon Glad

    The Steelers never do that in-season…is that good or bad? I don’t know. What I HOPE they are doing is dipping into the waters of the Matt Light’s of the world…ya know? Veteran guys who were excellent tackles who recently retired or were cut.
    I doubt Light would come to an 0-4 team, with such a great Patriot legacy…I only used his name as a concept, but I certainly would call him (and others similar to him) anyway…what’s a response of “absolutely NOT” hurt? Nothing.

  • Brendon Glad

    I, too, was unhappy when the Steelers made no attempt to re-sign Starks. But after seeing him this season, Starks appears completely done. Perhaps he would have been more motivated if remaining a Steeler, but he may just be flat-out-done. So I have to put an abacus towards the Steelers brass on that one, as of now.

  • Brendon Glad

    I’m glad he said it. Jacksonville is worse…the NYG have been awful, but aside from those 2, he’s pretty spot-on as of right now. Hey, I put a 100 bucks on the Steelers to win the SB this year. Wow! They’ve stunned me more than they’ve stunned most people, that’s for sure.
    The majority of people saw this team as a 6-9 win team. I can’t believe how bad they’ve looked. So I’m glad that the QB is acknowledging the disappointment that some of us feel.

  • Pete

    Maybe he is done, I don’t know, but he did a great job last year. Remember when all the Viking fans were saying “seeya” to McKinney and the Ravens picked him up? They needed experienced insurance for Oher but the Steelers choose to go into the season without experience at these key positions. Starks brought stability last season. The Ravens sometimes flip Oher to RT. There had to be someone who maybe near retirement who could be brought in to bridge the gap in experience. I am worried that Adams will lose confidence and then he’s ruined because he was asked to man a position before he was ready or before he earned it.

  • Brendon Glad

    And by the way, often, the BEST QB’s call-out horrible play. See Tom Brady (throwing temper-tantrums on the sidelines), Troy Aikman (spiking a ball in Eric Williams’s face during a horrible game by him), Dan Marino going off on the sidelines, Terry Bradshaw criticizing Chuck Noll publicly…. John Elway getting Dan Reeves fired despite a great winning percentage.
    Yes, Joe Montana did not do that…but he was the exception, not the rule. The great ones don’t accept horrible play. But still take the bulk of the responsibility. And Ben ALWAYS puts the blame mostly on himself first.

  • WilliamSekinger

    Let’s look at some rookie tackles this year compared to Adams shall we?
    As rated by PFF through week 4:

    Mike Adams – Steelers – 2012 2nd round pick #56 overall.
    Games played: LT (4)
    4 sacks
    6 hits
    12 hurries
    +1.7 penalty rating
    Ranking #69 overall for tackles

    Eric Fisher – Chiefs – 2013 1st round pick #1 overall.
    Games played: RT (4)
    2 sacks
    1 hit
    8 hurries
    -0.2 penalty rating
    Ranking #63 overall for tackles

    Luke Joeckel – Jags 2013 first round pick #2 overall.
    Games played: RT (4)
    3 sacks
    0 hits
    11 hurries
    -0.1 penalty rating
    Ranking #59 overall for tackles

    Lane Johnson – Eagles 2013 first round pick #4 overall.
    Games played: RT (4)
    4 sacks
    2 hits
    13 hurries
    -0.4 penalty rating
    Ranking #68 overall for tackles

    Justin Pugh – NY Giants 2013 first round pick #19 overall
    Games played: RT (4)
    2 sacks
    1 hit
    19 hurries
    +1.7 penalty rating
    Ranking #64 overall for tackles

    Adams’ problems are magnified because he is on a
    0-4 Steeler squad. How many of you knew these first round tackles were also doing so poorly? I’ll take a Mike Adams who struggles this year on the left and grows into the position rather than a #1 pick next year who is going to look just as bad if not worse than Adams this year.

  • Eric

    I read 43 comments and no one said anything about Beachum. Here is an idea….. use Beachum at LT, Adams at RT and Gilbert at LG if Foster is not back in two weeks. Slap me upside the head if you want, but tell me what the better alternative would be.

  • Bilgewater D

    Wow, Good work Sekinger. Not everyone can be a Joe Thomas, DBrickashaw, or Ryan Kalil.

    It actually does take some time to develop in this league.

  • Bilgewater D

    You want to ask a guy that has never played guard to start an NFL game at that position?

  • WilliamSekinger

    A much better idea would be to not panic, let these youngsters grow into their roles and possibly give them some additional help via TEs and RBs chipping or staying in to block.

  • treeher

    I recall speculation early in pre-season that Adams would be RT and Gilbert LT. Everyone was surprised when it was the opposite. More evidence that educated fans are better than the coaches these days.

  • willie colon

    I am not sure there are any 1st round LT or RT coming out in this draft, so what about free agency?

  • willie colon

    If Ben would stop turning the ball over so much in the clutch, we would have won at least one game

  • steeltown

    If we’re talking week 6 (after the bye) before the Gilbert and Adams switch, then it would be week 7 before we know whether or not it was a good move..hopefully by then Foster is good to go and Beachum can be used accordingly

  • willie colon

    Ben isnt a surgical qb like Brady, Mannning and Brees we love him cause he was the qb in the SuperBowls that we won…thanks to a splash play, tough as nails defense. Seattle SB win ben was a 5 but Arizona SB win Ben was an 8.5 but NOT MVP

  • steeltown

    I mentioned before this last game that Fisher and Joeckel have both been struggling and these are supposed to be the prized #1 and #2 overall Tackles…

  • Bilgewater D

    Jake Matthews is going to be a top 10 pick out of Texas A&M

  • cencalsteeler

    I am glad you posted these stats. Every once in a while you’ll get a player who is plug n play worthy, but it is odd. Fans need to understand that this line is going to take time to develop, again, patience is a virtue. We have had veteran presence on our team for a lot of years (hence the term old), so we are a little spoiled. This youth movement is nice, but with it comes a learning period that we all must get accustomed to. Those who recognize this aren’t so quick to fire coaches and trade players away. Nice post William!!

  • cencalsteeler

    Last year under Haley’s “dink and dunk” offense, Ben was 6-2 and talks of MVP rumored before he went down against K.C. They need to get back to that style of play. Ben’s style of play this season has resulted in 9 turnovers alone. This needs to change for the better, this style is not working.

  • Eric

    Correct me if I am wrong, but Gilbert played some guard last year when Colon and Decastro were both out.

  • Eric

    I have been a diligent Steeler fan since 1972 and I have never seen anything close to this. We are playing like we needed 5 more weeks of training camp. I also remember the 1 – 4 start of the 1976 season and saw those champions win 9 games just with defense, but no one thinks a repeat of that performance is possible. I agree that the line will improve with more experience, but as they acquire this experience, our 31 year old QB will turn 38 by the end of the season. I can recall several HOF/ All pro QB’s that spent their entire rookie seasons getting sacked 5 times a game but a 21 or 22 year old can take it. Is it time to panic? Yes, it probably is.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    What a waste. Those who are looking at the “upside” of a down year for the Steelers (getting a top draft pick in 2014), here’s the bad news: They’ll only end up spending it in an area that should be fixed by now. Four top picks in this line, and it folds like origami. Ben is a franchise QB, and his talent is being absolutely WASTED behind substandard personnel.

    And no, Starks was not the answer. His age was really beginning to show, he couldn’t cut it with the Chargers, and he doesn’t fit a zone blocking scheme. He only looked good here because our line was that bad.

    I’m not a fair-weather fan. I’ll be a Steelers fan for life, but this team is disgracing themselves. And it’s pissing me off.

  • Pete

    Absolutely. Something nobody is talking about and someone on facebook commented, Roethlisberger has committed 10 turnovers in 2013 already. From week 14 to the end of the 2012 season, he committed 6 turnovers. Is it any wonder the team is on a losing streak continued from last season? It’s hard to win when you are turning the ball over. The QB has to be the first one to ‘protect the rock’.

  • TheBlitz

    Thanks for providing these eye-popping stats!!

    Something I noticed is that all these high touted talents aren’t even playing LT with their respective teams, while Adams is struggling by himself on his island.

    As I mentioned in another post, Adams has played against absolute beasts in the likes of Jared Allen and Julius Peppers and has only had 4 games under his belt at LT.

    The truth is, he’s struggled big time, and we can only hope that he will fare well against lesser competition.

  • charles

    Exactly. Blindside tackle may be the most important position after qb on O. Essentially Colbert will have let Starks go and replaced him with Whimper when Adams gets benched.

  • charles

    Stunned is a good description. Is the LB coach the same as the Dline coach? Perhaps that is where we can make a midseason change that could have immediate effect. Otherwise our no sack D is a prescription for number one pick….

  • Shea Fahr

    Franchise QB’s do not turn the ball over with the frequency and squash the outcomes of games that we have witnessed over the last 3 or 4 weeks. I have always been a Ben fan but this is really getting ridiculous. He makes a great play and then kills the team with really strange turnovers at the worst time. Blame it on the line or coaching or the stars in the sky but do not try to convince me that protecting the football is not his #1 job. A lot of this is indeed on #7…he just does not look the part of a player that can carry his team anymore or be the comeback kid. I really truly hope I am wrong. With that being said, I will continue to watch games hoping for a win. Go Steelers!

  • charles

    You forgot about Whimper.

  • charles

    The O has gotten beter. The no sacks D is our problem.

  • Eric

    Taking away their billiards and ping pong didn’t work, so no more scrabble and twister until we have 9 wins.

  • Brendon Glad

    I believe in John Mitchell and Keith Butler more than I do the players in those positions. By quite a ways. What’s stunning is how much we miss Hampton, Foote, and Keenan Lewis. I respected all 3 of them, (& in that order of respect as I listed), but I didn’t see this one coming by any means. The Minnesota game was horrible. I live 30 miles from K.C., so I’m VERY familiar with Matt Cassel. He looked WAY TOO comfortable. Like he was scared of absolutely nothing. And this was a guy who was about as easy to rattle as any QB in the league for 2 seasons straight.

  • Brendon Glad

    He’s definitely not looking good right now. It’s the first time I can honestly say he looks really “skittish”. I love Ben, so I truly feel he will find himself, but right now he seems surprised when he has a good pocket, and is “feeling pressure” when there is none.
    To me the pass protection is simply “poor”…the same as it has been for at least 5 seasons. But for whatever reason, Ben is acting way more skittish than in the previous 5 seasons.

  • Brendon Glad

    As long as Foster’s injury is correctly diagnosed, and timetable appropriate, then I’m happy with this new news of a lesser-injury. Because even though Foster has had a rough start, I think Beachum can be better used elsewhere than his spot.
    BUT, if the Steelers medical and training staff do what they USUALLY do, and mis-read the timetable for a return, and he misses about 9 weeks instead of 3-4…then it’s a wasted roster spot. And then I will be greatly irritated.

  • Brendon Glad

    Yes, it should. I don’t want him to be fired after 2013, but a “wake-up-call” would be appropriate. The National-Media treats him like he’s Bill Belichick or something. That gets on my nerves, even when they are winning. He’s somewhere around Lovie Smith and Brian Billick…deserving of decent respect…but the effusive praise to him by the National Media is way too….”something”….not sure what…but “something annoying.”

  • Bob Graff

    Tomlin needs to just quite trying to fool himself and everyone around him. This line was never going to be any good this year. This crap about zone blocking please , we have slow footed, weak blocking lineman and there isn’t a scheme out there that will help them this tear. Trying to throw 5 young guys in there at once and hoping they were all good was fool hardy. I said this before the season started and i was told on this forum that i didn’t know anything about football.BTW we ain’t got any backups 2 more injuries and this could get worse.

  • Brendon Glad

    Garbage stats aside, this is definitely the worst I’ve ever seen Ben play since 2006. And I love Ben, so it hurts to say it…but it’s the truth.

  • Marcus

    That just floored me. Yea I guess when you put it in prospective he really isn’t doing that badly. Great point!

  • Brendon Glad

    Good point. And there’s something to be said for a guy looking a lot worse when he’s not on the team he wishes he was on. It’s hard to say.
    But I, like you, definitely would have liked to at least see him in Steelers training camp so we’d know for sure what he had left as a Steeler.

  • Eric B

    I hear the cries for the job of coach Tomlin, but coach Tomilin isn’t the problem. We need to look at the talent we are putting on the field and that falls on the GM. We can’t block on the left side of the line and we have only one wide receiver that can get open. Our DB’s can cover more than 5 seconds and we have no pass rush. All these attribute to a bad team. coach Tomlin can’t play any of these positions. So who we “Steeler Nation” are putting on the field is the problem.

  • Brendon Glad

    Not always. RB’s and OL often perform at extremely high-levels straight out of college. Highly drafted, low-drafted, or undrafted.
    And then some guys like Marvel Smith, or John Jackson…can look horrible at a young age, and become excellent players.
    So you never know.

  • Brendon Glad

    No way can anyone say that the Steelers have done well in solving the OL problems. They’ve tried very hard, but it’s simply not good.
    When PFF has your best OL performance as a guy signed off the street one-week earlier…then Kudos for the signing…but crappos on the high-draft picks who can’t beat a guy off of the street with the playbook in his hand for 4 days.
    I’m not dissing the Steelers…to be fair…they do an EXCELLENT job of getting value in their WR draft-picks and development…and excellent jobs on the value in their LB’s and LB development.

    But on the OL, when you consider the premiums of the picks they spend…and the results that follow…it’s a major fail in my book. Perhaps they are hiring poor OL coaches…I won’t rule that out, by any means…but the OL has been considered “bottom 25%” by every expert I’ve ever heard speak of them for at least 5 years…and by many excellent Steelers fans as well. The results definitely are not matching the investment.

  • Brendon Glad

    I’d just be satisfied with the National Media world not treating Tomlin like he’s Vince Lombardi or Bill Belichick.
    He’s definitely earned most of the criticism he’s finally getting. But he deserves another year, even if this one goes as badly as it looks like it will.

  • SteelersDepot

    false

  • Brendon Glad

    Yeah, he’s not…but aside from Brady, he still is better in big games than Peyton Manning or Brees, in my opinion. You mentioned (like every National Media person constantly mentions, the Seattle SB). Fair enough…but his 3 playoff games to GET to the SB were nearly perfect…2012 Joe Flacco-ish…or Joe Montana-ish…so CAN WE AT LEAST REMEMBER THAT when talking about 2005…(even if we forget that he also made the most clutch tackle in Steelers history as a cherry on top”?

    Unfortunately, it takes 16 games to get to the “big games”. And all 3 of those guys are superior to Ben in those key 16, as much as I love him. He has not looked good so far, at all. The numbers lie, with regards to his performance. He’s been very skittish and turnover prone.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Coaching does have a say in this. Lake turned Keenan Lewis from a guy who was another draft bust to a starter, Mitchell made McLendon into a everyday starter from a undrafted free agent. There was a saying by now deceased owner/coach Al Davis where he said” if they did it once, they can do it again” it is up to the coaching staff to get the talent out of him.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    LT’s are as hard to figure out as QB’s. You see a lot of first round LT busts

  • Shannon Stephenson

    good work on that William.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Many people are suggesting a switch between Gilbert and Adams but since Gilbert is playing much better I hate to see us move him. We have to remember a OL needs continuity and with Velasco, DeCastro and Gibert getting comfotable with each other, hate to see us make more moves. What to do? I do not have the answer, maybe have a FB or TE to chip, maybe Beachum can play LT but of course Foster needs to be LG.

  • Eric B

    I agree coaching does play a role and its up to the coaches to maximize the talent of the player but at some point the coaches have to realize that players reach their full potential and they are not good enough for the team’s scheme or even for the team

  • Bob Graff

    Words like continuity, patience and comfortable . Come on weren’t we told this line was going to be the core of a some sort of power running football team. I remember Tomlin saying pedigree, top rate talent and everyone else was saying they were saving it for the regular season when they should have been getting acclimated in the preseason [not acting like some sort of established group]. You can show a turd from as many angles as you choose but it’s still a turd.

  • Riverstko

    Thats why we shouldnt draft OT first rd too risky. We should draft skill position players in the first ex. CB, TE,or WR. We havent did that in years since santonio.Now Its catching up with us. A OT is a OT as long as they can block Good.

  • Brendon Glad

    I wholeheartedly agree. The best example is Special-Teams. The Steelers have consistently been “neutral-at-BEST” on special teams for my entire life. And often have had seasons ruined by Special-teams. YET, they are known for developing a “pipeline” of young players to replace their starters as the starters fail or fade….RARELY needing to delve into free-agency to fill voids.
    So, when you have a bunch of good football players, (who later become good starters), yet the Special Teams consistently suck…then even though Special teams are different styles of plays…I think putting coaching in the sight-line of criticism is warranted.
    Same with the O-line. I tend to give a pass to Mitchell and Butler on the DL and LB’s because of their proven long-track-record in development as Steelers assistants…but I’m still with ya.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    So you are saying there’s a chance! I read you loud and clear.

  • Brendon Glad

    It’s a big problem…I’d prefer Gilbert at LT and Adams at RT while Beachum fills in at LG…but I have very limited confidence. Just a little more than how it currently stands.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    I guess the word I would have used in the preseason was hope. We had 5 healthy guys where 4 were 1st or 2nd rounders and the hope was they were all going to come of age but even I commented that the OL was still an unknown commodity.

  • alex

    it seems that the leagues scouts were all wrong about Adams, and Gilbert never really showed us much in his short career to every place him at starting LT…( Oh how we miss STARKS!)

    how often does our OL get discombobulated by stunts while the same Steeler blitz scheme does NOTHING?!

    OR, how often do our outside line players WHIFFFFF at there defenders?!

    ANSWER, ALL DAY LONG!

  • Bob Graff

    NO WAY !!! This team lacks talent , coaching and now spirit. What’s on the field right now for the Steelers is going to take some time to fix. First the garbage needs to be taken out. Then start over with no more smoke and mirrors. In other words the Steelers can only be good because they are, not because they SAY they are. Instead of continuing with the Steeler tradition this team hired then started doing what all the average teams in the NFL do. And they became that. Now it’s up to the front office to fix a huge problem which they created. Start by firing Haley , Bricknell and the WR coach and put EVERYONE else on notice players and coaches .

  • fred thomas

    Fire Tomlin Haley and hope Art II gets sick

  • Gautama Om

    They will win for sure and unfortunately it wont net us a SB nor will it increase the odds of solving our problems by picking later (after Jax, Giants, Tampa, etc etc etc other teams)

  • http://justjabari.wordpress.com/ Jabari Styles

    First – Adams is not a rookie. He is a second year player that simply cannot play football. Watch any game this season and concentrate on his footwork and awareness. It does’t exist – he is just a big mountain of waste in a black and gold jersey – protecting Ben’s blind side no less.

    I really wanted to like this kid, and high expectations coming out of OSU – but he just doesnt have it. Time to move on at LT and plug that hole before he kills our QB

  • steeltown

    Indeed

  • charles

    Brandon, I hear your frustration and agree with many of your comments. But our Dline and front 7 are the WORST IN THE LEAGUE BY FAR.

  • buddy28s

    get Max Starks! isn’t he a free agent

  • Christopher Wilkes

    No I didn’t. That’s not even an option, and that was made clear last game.

  • walter mason

    Did you watch the game lol? 2 sacks all game doesnt tell the entire story as Adams was absolutely horrible. At times he couldnt even slow down the pass rusher. At other times he didnt even touch him. The announcer even commented that the LT appeared to be tying his shoes on the play. As far a Gilbert at LT we already tried that, remember?

  • walter mason

    If you watch his college tapes, you will see the same stuff. He has his moments but plays soft. Almost like hes not paying attention. He even let a couple of thugs beat and stab him up while out partying. He really needs to toughen up and work hard but I dont know if its possible..It may not be in his make up.

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