Report: Antonio Brown And Todd Haley Had A Sideline Incident Monday Night

According to a Wednesday morning report by Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown and offensive coordinator Todd Haley are at odds with one another following a sideline incident that took place Monday night.

Bouchette reports that Brown confronted Haley on the sideline and complained about not getting enough passes thrown his way in the game against the Cincinnati Bengals. Haley was wasn’t happy about Brown’s actions and the two apparently remained unhappy with each one another on Tuesday.

The confrontation wasn’t caught on any television cameras, but was visible enough on the sideline that a lot of people noticed it, according to Bouchette.

In the first half of the Monday night game, Brown was targeted three times and caught two balls for 35 yards. In the second half, the fourth-year receiver was targeted six more times and finished the game with six receptions for 57 yards.

If true, this is certainly something that you don’t want to hear about this early in the season, but you can bet that both Brown and Haley will be asked about it during the week. Haley has had his run-ins with receivers wanting the ball in the past when he was with the Arizona Cardinals and I am sure that is something all offensive coordinators go through at some point.

Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said Tuesday during his radio show that the veterans will be meeting together on Wednesday and hopefully this latest incident is addressed and can be nipped in the bud quickly.

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  • Callentown

    What does it matter, this team is toast..

  • Mkeller

    I read about this earlier. This is what bad teams do. Players only meetings and sideline fracases. How do they make this better? I just don’t know if they have the juice on offense to improve even with the addition of Heath and Le’veon . Regardless what the players say, I don’t believe for a minute that they like, respect or believe in Todd Haley or his system.

  • Bell Cow

    Winning is the only cure to resolve these arguments. This team has now lost 10 out of 11 games (including the pre-season) dating back to last season. I hate to use Todd Haley as the scapegoat, but it doesn’t appear that Big Ben, Antonio Brown, etc. have bought into Haley’s system. Most importantly, I don’t think they trust Todd Haley which is extremely important to be successful.

    I can’t fault Haley completely because I don’t think they have the right personnel along the offensive line, but his words and philosophy seem to be white noise to Big Ben and company.

    It’s not the Rooney’s style to fire a coach mid-season, but I’m starting to think they may break the mold and fire Haley if there isn’t improvement over the next few games.

  • Bell Cow

    Agreed. The biggest issue is they don’t respect or trust Todd Haley. I think the Rooney’s overlooked the chemistry that Big Ben and the offense built with Bruce Arians over the past few years.

  • chris ward

    Second time this year tempers have flared between Haley and Brown. Early on in training camp Haley was upset with Brown during a goal-line drill. Haley has to get his players trust back or he is not going to be in Pittsburgh much longer.

  • dollardoughtnut

    tomlin + haley + Colbert = 4-12 season

  • treeher

    I don’t blame Haley completely … I also blame the Rooneys and Tomlin for hiring him. He’s a complete disaster and needs to go. His legacy will be that he introduced CHOP BLOCKING to this team. Disgusting.

  • treeher

    4 wins? Who they gonna beat?

  • Mkeller

    I wouldn’t say Rooney’s. I’d say Art II. This was his 2nd big power play. The 1st was running Cowher out of town. He didn’t just get rid of Arians he humiliated him and the players noticed. Haley never stood a chance with these guys. I wouldn’t call Art Jerry Jones but there’s definitely some Dan Snyder in him.

  • Mkeller

    I bet Arians would have seen the coming storm and adjusted his approach accordingly.

  • dollardoughtnut

    the defense won 8 last year – they should be able to get 4 this year

  • steeltown

    Of course.. the Offense is struggling…. emotions run high

  • dollardoughtnut

    #1 back jones castoff from the eagles—top o-lineman velasco found flipping burgers ! we’re done

  • Douglas Andrews

    Where’s the true Steeler Fans…judging by these comments it seems as though people are breaking ankles jumping off the bandwagon. 2 losses doesn’t make a season. I’d be unhappy if this kind of stuff wasn’t going on and we were 0-2.

  • steeltown

    #1 RB is a former 1st Rd pick and was supposed to be our #4 on the depth chart, but lost Le’Veon and LSH to injury so we have no choice..Velasco was actually rated higher than Pouncey last season,.. im happy to have them both at this point

  • http://www.amazon.com/The-Sibyl-Reborn-ebook/dp/B009KNQHSM James P. Kelly

    In my opinion, it’s all on the offensive line, which can’t open holes for the running game or pass block to protect Ben. The QB’s only hope [without far better blocking] is ‘dink and dunk.’ Last year, this was effective–before KC–as Ben was posting very good numbers, and the team was scoring…and they were also boosted by Redman and Dwyer running for 100yd games. Now, without blocking, the defense will be on the field way too long, exposing its weaknesses. Bottom line: If you can’t score, your can’t win.

  • steeltown

    Agreed… we’re a spoiled bunch

    In the end, if the OL was playing better and Heath and Le’Veon were healthy to start the season, I think we’d be 2-0 right now

  • joed32

    I thought Cowher retired. The fact that he hasn’t accepted any of the offers he has received show that he doesn’t want to coach. How is that running him out of town?

  • Jerry Patte

    Try 0-6

  • Mkeller

    So being critical means you’re not a fan? I’ll never be that kind of fan. Sometimes the team we love make bad decisions. This organization is on a roll right now in terms of decision making. From the heinous way they forced Arians out to the poor drafts starting in 2007 the hiring of Haley but most egregiously the misjudgment on the salary cap trajectory. Just because they had been winning doesn’t mean they inevitably had to land where they are today. Bad drafts combined with total cap mismanagement has led us to a 3 yr rebuild. Even the great Chuck Noll eventually lost his touch. It is conceivable that so has Kevin Colbert.

  • steeltown

    They tried to keep most of the ’05 SB Team together, they had to pay for it over the next few yrs with extensions and large contracts. It worked in ’08 and almost worked again in ’10

  • Kareem Daniels

    Did you guys watch either game? The team was in both games and had early chances to take control of both games. The problem right now seems like they aren’t running what they have practiced. I keep hearing about them using Beacham and Will Johnson to help with the running game. They haven’t done either. Neither was on the field during those 3 running plays they ran on the first possession. The need to use Markus Wheaton on the outside and put Sanders back in the slot cause he has caught anything outside. The Rooneys and Tomlin knew the team was going to be going through a transition. They expected some drop off. You should have expected some drop off. They either have to get rid of Haley or let the players know they aren’t getting rid of Haley so they need to get on board. Since he hasn’t shown that he cam make on the fly adjustments I hope they get rid of him

  • steeltown

    Indeed.. poor OL play or not, I don’t understand thinking the running game will get anywhere when you start Redman and dont utilize Will Johnson or Beachum

  • Mkeller

    There’s always a tipping point where the cost outweighs the risk. They are carrying too much risk with older players. Making the run in 2010 I’m ok with but its 2013 now. Most teams turnover every 4 yrs as that’s the avg career expectancy of an NFL player. Colbert needs to start hitting his draft picks, retaining them when he does and stop extending players that are on into their 30’s. If I haven’t made a sale in 2 months my boss isn’t coming to me to celebrate that 2 month old sale. He’s coming to give me my walking papers. It happens. Colbert has this team in trouble from a personnel stand point and appears to have no plan fix it other than extending aging veterans because his draft picks haven’t stepped up.

  • steeltown

    I’d say besides OL and CB they have a pretty good plan in place as far as replacements go

  • Steel Fan

    Never thought I would say this but…. I MISS BRUCE ARIANS!!!!

  • Mkeller

    TE? WR? S? RB? DE? ILB? They have nothing behind Heath, Le’veon, Shamarko (Troy and Ryan may both be gone), Antonio and Marcus, Heyward (Ziggy/Keisel possibly gone?). 22 new players on this years opening day roster and next year could be worse and they’ll have no money to spend again.

  • Ike Evans

    why what you think that?…..Arians wasn’t that good either

  • JPDQ

    Huh. Antonio Brown strikes again. Honestly, I really didn’t expect this type of stuff to happen after only two losses. I think it speaks volumes to the internal identity crisis this team is obviously suffering from. They know it’s bad, just like the fans.

    I’m not gonna speak to the relationship or trust issues between players and Haley. I think that’s overblown and winning a couple games will solve most of this.

    What I do think is that it’s natural for teams to have down years after prolonged success. In this case, our talent pool has gotten thin, and Tomlin’s decision-making is on showcase much more because we don’t have the guys to compensate for it.

    Ben can’t carry this team, and without any legitimate leadership on the offensive side of the ball, I don’t think it’s gonna get better these last few years of Ben’s career. We’ve got a bunch of immature kids expecting to win because of the “Steeler Way” – wake up, the Steeler Way is a joke, just like the Patriot Way and every other franchise that’s held in high esteem for whatever reason. This game has changed completely, and teams have to evolve. I hate it – I don’t wanna see Chip Kelly and the Oregon offense take over the NFL, but that’s where we’re headed.

    We’ve hit a rough patch… we’re just gonna have to tough it out for a couple seasons and take our medicine. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Jeff

    This team has problems, but it’s still early to jump off the band wagon. The offense is the problem, and as some people say Heath and Bell might not be enough to turn things around on offense, well maybe they are.. Even if Heath isn’t what he was before his injury last year, he’s still an upgrade at tight end as a blocker and a receiver. Ben looks timid out there. He’s got a shaky offensive line, and he can’t name what running back will be behind him for the majority of a game. His body language looks likes he’s ready for a sack every time he drops back. I think getting Heath back will make make Ben a bit more comfortable back there, and Bell, if he can stay healthy, will most likely end up being a 3 down back by season’s end. The defense right now is playing well enough to win football games. I think if the Steelers offense picks up a little, we’ll see some more sacks, and a few more turnovers on defense. Opposing offenses so far have been able to play so conservatively for field position because they really don’t believe the Steelers offense can move the football. Hopefully Heath and Bell could provide a spark to this offense, and maybe a little more confidence for Ben. Let’s not forget this guy has been a top QB in this league for a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if he can right this ship. LET’S GO STEELERS!

  • Ike Evans

    if wheaton isn’t dynamic…if le’veon bell and heath miller don’t come back and make a difference…this team isn’t making it to .500

  • Jefferson_St_Joe

    I agree with everyone of those points. I would track the problem to going above Colbert to being a result of Art II taking over the day to day for Dan. He was the one that forced the Polamalu extension, should have been on top of the cap trajectory during CBA negotiations, and botched the Arians firing. The edict to force a running game comes from Art II, given the fate of Arians.

    None of that excuses Tomlin and his staff for poor player development, or Colbert for poor drafting.

    Just because we’re fans critical of some decisions and personnel doesn’t make us lesser fans. I’ll never jump off the bandwagon and will always watch every play and hoping for a win every time they play.

  • steeltown

    We’ll have Miller and Spaeth back eventually, they might need to draft another TE though because Paulson is not the complete package. I think Troy and Ryan will both be back in ’14 same with Hood. I would assume we’ll draft another RB to go along with Le’Veon and Felix. We have young hopefuls in Al Woods, N.Williams and Arnfelt at DE and Vince Williams and Terrance Garvin at ILB, Justin Brown and Moye at WR though I see us drafting WR in the next draft once Sanders and Cotchery depart

  • Steeler Wheeler

    Bitching about the team, coming into posts at 0-2, showing up with towels and hoping for the best, demanding better play, calling out weak links from ownership-management-players….all of these are not signs of jumping off the band wagon. Steeler nation has been spoiled with excellence to the point where we expect it…therefore, Steelers, start being excellent and win some flipping games!

  • Jefferson_St_Joe

    I think you’re wrong on the Cowher point. Cowher leaving was a family thing and I thought Art and Cowher were actually pretty tight.

    I think Art is trying too hard to force the team to be a Cowher-like team, instead of letting Tomlin have full control.

  • Jay Jaber

    your right arians is a better coach but he did have a lot of questionable calls

  • Jay Jaber

    i saw velasco as a upgrade to pouncey i think pouncey is a better guard then center to be honest

  • Jay Jaber

    i dont think we had bad drafts just be thankful were not the oakland raiders lol

  • Gautama Om

    I really don’t care about being 0-2 but what really matters is what we’ve seen of them during those 2 losses and where this team has (and most likely) will be heading. We’ve seen enough of the HC and GM to figure it out. The Steelers are stale and predictable in all facets (from the FO all the way down to the Coordinators).

  • Jay Jaber

    we need a wr like mike evans or a sammy watkins in the first round i hope

  • Mkeller

    We differ on what they have. If Felix Jones is back next yr its a disgrace. I don’t view Spaeth as much of anything. Hood and Woods…maybe Hoods back and we have no idea what Woods is or Heyward for that matter. But Troy and Ryan are exactly what I’m talking about. We have to get younger…period. Have you looked at Troy’s cap #? No safety in the league should make that let alone an aging injury risk like Troy. OL and CB are big issues but they have issues everywhere. Obviously they will field a 53 man roster of players. But they need to find the next group of impact guys. The salary’s need to reflect a cap of 125 mil and carrying 2 LBS and 10+ mil, TE at 9.9 mil, S at 10+ mil is simply ridiculous. They’re 3 yrs away and by then they’ll be onto a new QB. I’m still going to watch and hope for the best but I see no plan to fix the cap issue once and for all. Bad business everywhere I look.

  • Pete

    I think Brown has a right to complain. He’s the #1 WR and should be targeted more with the bulk of pass plays. The guy makes plays after the catch. He’s very dynamic. I mean they sent the same amount of passes to cotchery? Doesn’t make sense to me. Unless it just worked out that way because Brown was covered much of the time.

    Most of the time the most passes should go to Brown, then Miller (when he’s available), then Sanders, then Cotchery and the backs. He’s getting paid a lot. I’m sure he wants to repay the team with the performance worthy of a #1 WR.

  • Pete

    Dan Snyder would love to have the number of Lombardi trophies that Art has. Lately, I think Snyder fell and hit his head because they are building the Redskins from the draft.

  • Mkeller

    NFL coach of the year last year. He was good at adapting to changing conditions. He was good at evaluating his talent and playing to their strengths. I don’ see that in Haley. I see Haley as a far more rigid leader.

  • steeltown

    Well I would hope that they can get Ike and Troy to take paycuts in their final season and a few extensions (Ben, Heath Miller maybe Cortez Allen or Pouncey) should help the cap.
    I think Felix (as a backup) is not a bad option, obviously we need to draft another guy and get past the Dwyer Redman era. I think Spaeth as a #2 is not a bad option, he’s a damn fine blocker and I think they see Al Woods as a backup (Hoke) type player.

    Don’t get me wrong, we have some issues

  • tpalya

    Cowher left because his wife was dying.

    I agree about Art2, everyone is blaming
    Haley but the the truth is he is just doing
    what he was hired to do. Art is the one
    who decided to change the Steelers
    offense. He is the one that decided to
    dumb Arians and bring in Haley and
    force our gunslinger (Ben) into running
    a ground game offense.

    Bad leadership = bad team, always has
    always will.

  • Mkeller

    If you go back and look at the circumstances it was about money. But what was telling was when Cowher gives his sayonara presser Arts was the only hand he didn’t shake. There was bad blood.
    Art was no doubt behind what they did to Arians. Telling him he would be back then forcing that weird retirement deal a week later. It was a total dick move. The guys a dick and he is not his father.

  • Mkeller

    He wanted to stay but it came down to money.

  • Pete

    Arians was the most hated coach by fans at the time he was run out of town. Arians didn’t heed the desires of the Rooneys and so he was not re-signed. I’m glad I no longer have to watch Ben trying a pass and failing on 3rd and 1 at midfield. I’m also happy we at least have some kind of FB on the roster in Will Johnson. Arians had no use for the FB role. Sometimes you need a FB. I’ll take Haley any day over Arians.

  • tpalya

    He’s been offered a truckload of money to come back,
    but hasn’t. He left because his wife was sick.

  • Kelly A

    I couldn’t resist to post on this forum because its comments like the one above that make this fanbase questionable in regards to true loyalty. Here is the reality, we are fans; otherwise known as outsiders looking in. From our perception, the solution is simple enough; Fire Tomlin, Fire Haley, fire this person, cut that person; but do we honestly know what this team needs if we have no precise idea of what they go through on a daily basis. The fact is that we as fans can decide to not make this our burden and break away from it; we have that choice. The people that actually play on the team do not have that option; if they have no choice but to like the reality of their situation EVERYDAY, we as fans don’t have to. I wish that before posting, people would keep this in mind before assuming that this franchise should be in a state on emergency because they are 0-2. The Steelers are not invulnerable to this type of slump and the man above me encapsulates that self-entitled mentality that is frankly
    tainting this fanbase. If you as a fan want to make a difference, strap on some football pad and shoes and make your contribution; but this idea that because we are fans and we pay money (by choice mind you), therefore we are entitled to make ridiculous comments that generally entail dismissing people, rather than uniting together as a Nation. Frankly the biggest deficiency with the Steelers is the fanbase if you ask me. Keep this in mind while people continue this discourse on how the Steelers are in crisis; team like the 49ers and Seahawks whom are thriving, enduring seasons of futility. Everything that is happening to the Steelers now could have a greater purpose much sooner than you thing. The question is this, are you willing to ride the storm with them, or are you out?

  • http://www.facebook.com/trace.gamble.5 Trace Gamble

    The Steelers’ struggles stem from the O-line under performing greatly, which makes all other facets of offense less effective. Ben looks out of synch with the WRs, which could result from either them not getting open or him feeling like he doesn’t have time in the pocket–which speaks of the O-line problems.

  • steeltown

    Well stated

  • Chad H

    I agree with your statement. My question is how do you get more when Ben is on the ground??

  • steeltown

    Well said

  • Pete

    I agree with most of your comment but I don’t think great changes are needed. I would like to see what would happen if the Steelers went up tempo like Peyton Manning or Brady. But a lot of the problems the Steelers are having are being magnified right now because they are losing. Everyone on offense needs to play better. They need to be able to run the ball effectively and so far cannot do that. That is something that must improve and Ben also must improve in getting the ball to his receivers.

  • sean mcmartin

    I agree,
    Just because I am a Steelers fan I am supposed to say atta boy to losing efforts, Thats not going to happen, , They are 0-2 reg season and didn’t win a preseason game.
    The coaching sucks, Haley is not the answer and neither is Tomlin I said it when Tomlin first was hired, It was the players keeping Cowher power alive..
    And Im still saying get rid of Tomlin yesterday. Three years later and he still has excuses and for how well read he appears, Doesn’t look like he reads any NFL books. like how to manage a game clock for dummies..

  • Pete

    We are a very spoiled fan base. Since 2005, 2 Super Bowl wins and 1 loss. Not a lot of teams can make that claim. Most of these fans forget very quickly.

  • Russ Ruffing

    55 comments here and not ONE person has anything negative to say about our QB? I’ll say it here again, Big Ben is now nothing more than an average-at-best QB. He is definitely not in the top half of the league. I used to advocate for him strenuously in years past when he got no respect. But an honest and objective evaluation reveals the truth – he has not been a good QB since the 2010 regular season. He no longer wins close games and, in fact, is usually the reason why we lose them. His targeting was abysmal in both games this season, and that’s not on the OC, WR’s, OLine, GM, or anyone else.

  • Pete

    Nobody is saying you can’t be critical. But enough with the fans who say “fire Haley” or “fire Tomlin” like spoiled kids. These fans want the Steelers to be the Browns or Miami or any number of teams who hire and fire frequently. They forget that the Rooneys don’t roll like that. How many coaches have the Steelers had since the Rooneys owned them? Very few. It’s not going to happen.

  • Pete

    Yep. That’s the core of the problem and it might take all season to improve.

  • Mike Sweeney

    We know Haley isn’t brilliant. We know Brown gets doubled, we know Manny cannot get open cuz he’s not a good route runner, we know J.C. is just a third down receiver, we know the TE situation is deplorable, until big country comes back. I wonder if a spread offense would work with Wheaton and Moye integrated into the Manny and Brown show. I think anything would be greater then what we’ve seen. With no talented ground attack whatsoever, and I think a spread, is worth a try. Can’t get any worse can it? 9.5 points a game, 37.5 yds rushing avg, fumble by a TE? Halloween in Sept? who knew

  • mem359

    I’ve noticed that some people are complaining that Haley is visibly upset with some of his players, and some people are complaining because Tomlin is *not* visibly upset with his players (not doing a Cowher-like public barking).

  • Bilgewater D

    Someone tell me how much Jericho Cotchery scares other teams? Not one bit. Wheaton will at least give them pause. Play the kid.

  • Sdale

    I agree. It seems like some teams are really good at drafting (and developing?) certain positions and really bad at drafting others. For example, the Ravens can’t draft a receiver to save their lives. It’s looking to me like our Achilles heal is drafting O-line. Pouncy was great his first year, but since then has been mediocre and vastly over-rated. Other than that, who have we drafted at O-line that is worth a damn? I guess I’m not ready to give up on DeCastro, but right now, he’s below average and Adams and Gilbert are getting trucked on both run and pass blocking. Micheal Johnson is not a power guy and he was pushing Adams back into Ben on nearly every pass play.

    As far as CB goes, I have more faith since Lake has been here. The development of Keenan Lewis and Cortez Allen showed we at least didn’t miss on them. Yeah, Brown is awful, but while I agree we will have an issue at CB and we need to address it in the draft, I just have more faith in our ability to draft and develop now that Lake is there.

    I do NOT have that faith in Oline.

  • mem359

    I suspect this is the reason for so much anger. Those games were winnable if the offense was even a bit better. They didn’t have to play good, just not so bad.

  • dollardoughtnut

    me to

  • ATL96STEELER

    Regardless of the details on this story, there is enough friction between Haley and now more than one player that if he doesn’t get this OFC turned around in short order his stay will be short lived.

  • sean mcmartin

    Agreed, knee jerk reactions are not needed..But how many more seasons are you willing to put up with a head coach of the Steelers not knowing how to manage a game clock and not being able to properly motivate players to play lights out. or coach them up, Or hire the right coaches to lead them. He watches from the sidelines like a statue.
    Tomlin is lucky he has an employer who will not hold him accountable for the Teams performance nor admit they made a mistake hiring him.
    Since “It’s not going to happen” they might get enough high draft picks in the next few years to be decent again.
    A.B. (After Ben)

  • ATL96STEELER

    They have to keep running the ball, or at least trying…F. Jones was not bad imo…3+ yd avg, just didn’t get many touches when CIN went up 2 scores.

    I do like the no-huddle though because it puts the game in the QBs hands more…in the RZ I would take Sanders out in lieu of Moye.

  • Mkeller

    To each their own. I liked Arians. I don’t care that they moved on from him I said the way they did it was amateur hour. It was a pathetic Al Davis move and an embarrassment. Fullback is this weird Steeler legend. They can function just fine without one. Will Johnson hasn’t done a damn thing and people act like he’s the next Rocky Bleier. He’s played on the 2 worst running teams the Steelers have had in 40 yrs. You keep Haley and WJ and go to Cleveland and give me back Arians and Ben and I stay right here in Pittsburgh.

  • Mike Sweeney

    I know it. Don’t know why, they didn’t leave Jones in. When Redman comes in, that phase fizzles out completely. Liked Jones hitting his tiny crevice openings and pushing people backward. Even if it was 2-3 yds per rush. They love Isaac for some reason. Hypothetical scenario for a spread.

  • Mkeller

    The only hope is the light bulb goes on for Gilbert, DeCastro and Adams. Otherwise its going to be a long year for Ben and the fans. You have to hit your draft picks and if you don’t you have to admit it. You can’t come to camp with players you know are inadequate without bringing in competition.

  • sean mcmartin

    Heck yes,,As fans, We can See They are not competitive enough to win a championship..But, Remember REAL fans don’t criticize their team even though they know they can’t beat the bengals nor look like they could win another game.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Ben…Honest and objective.

    The good…he’s a tough guy, plays hurt, nimble for a big guy, can extend plays, can shake off bad plays

    The bad…extends plays too often and creates too many negative plays, doesn’t seem to move to his 2nd/3rd reads quickly enough, lately he’s been throwing picks that has ultimately led to losses.

    When you say not in the top half of the league…I don’t agree with that one…imo he’s still among the top 10 in the league.

    Where I do agree is the OL…at times he makes them look worse than they are…no way P. Manning would take that many sacks.

  • chris ward

    Haha yeah Tomlin is no Cowher, when it comes to showing emotion.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Admittedly, I bought into Redman as the power, short yardage guy and Bell as the primary RB…that was a mistake. Watching this last game really showed me just how slow he is hitting holes…I couldn’t see with Dwyer because both of them are slow hitting the hole.

    The little bit we saw of LSH and Jones the other night was eye opening…these are not premier RBs, but they hit the hole soooo much faster and harder than Redman.

  • cencalsteeler

    And how!! I’m embarrassed by some of these comments made by my fellow Steeler fans! Excellent post Douglas!!!

  • Crazy Bone

    I thought Mike Wallace was the problem? I thought anybody would be better than Arians. Good…Rooney deserves it for questioning Arians instead of the lack of talent on the team.

  • cencalsteeler

    Dave, I have to disagree with you on this one. I actually think this is a good sign. Brown wants more touches. He wants to contribute more to the team. He doesn’t like what he sees and he’s voicing his opinion. I would much rather see that in a player, than one who takes his helmet off on the sidelines and sits quietly on the bench. Brown is clearly showing frustration, and after starting 0-2, I think we are all a little guilty of that. If he doesn’t show frustration, than I would say he would be lacking passion.

  • HiVul

    That’s the only giving me a little bit of optimism, if the offense can just manage to be average instead of terrible then the defense will have a fair chance to carry us. Some luck or turnovers and we can be a dangerous team or go on a run late in the season once we get some injured players and cohesion back.

    Like they said on Monday night, history tells us this team still has a chance. Three out of the last four times we’ve started 0-2, the Steelers have made the playoffs.

  • Mkeller

    I don’t care about people getting fired. I care about giving insane contracts to players over 30 yrs old. I have a problem with converting non-guaranteed salary into bonus creating a cap situation with a player that you can’t escape. I have problem with extending players because you have to get cap compliant not because its good business regarding a particular player. I have a problem with the draft history going back to 2007. And I have a problem with walking into this season with that O-line as if it weren’t inept. All I’m saying is do your damn job. Colberts a GM not a weatherman. His position requires better accuracy and more accountability.

  • steeltown

    Agreed.. the main reason I say CB is an issue is because Ike is nearing the end, and of course the Van Dyke experiment failed and C.Brown never panned out

  • Shannon Stephenson

    The big “IF” I feel is can we block well enough so we can run the ball and pass protect. We have the talent but it has to come together. Haley also has not be able to adjust well at all to the game, not sure what that is all about.

  • steeltown

    Yea better then him laughing or joking with teammates on the sideline

  • Shannon Stephenson

    He wanted to be with his kids 1 in college and 1 in high school and he wanted to spend time with them. Money had nothing to do with it.

  • Bilgewater D

    Decastro is just now one year post injury. Let’s give him this year to see how he develops. He’s started what, Four games?

  • Tom Yun

    Wow remember when everyone was congratulating the front office for signing Brown and getting rid of Wallace. If you want to assign blame for the current Steelers predicament it should go first and foremost to the front office. Aside from the poor draft picks they have bankrupt the future by signing above average players to lengthy star quality contracts which have handcuffed the team from signing guys like Keenan Lewis and Harrison. Guys like Timmons, Woodley, and Antonio Brown are getting millions more than they’re worth. Brown’s 8mil a year contract is especially galling because it was done as much to piss off Wallace as anything.

  • Ceelamar

    I will agree to that…I like pouncey but not at center.

  • Douglas Andrews

    Thank you my brother for the support!

  • Douglas Andrews

    People forget quickly we haven’t executed well, we turned the ball over in each game, dropped passes, lost the time of possesion battle and have punted 14X in 2 games. Doesn’t sound like a winning formula at all.

  • Douglas Andrews

    I understand the point you’re making but that wasn’t one of Ben’s best performances. He missed alot of open recievers. People were clamoring for us to get vertical because they hated the quick throws and when we did this last game Ben was pretty bad. I’m willing to give Haley more time we were 6-3 last season before Ben got hurt with this same O Coordinator and had Ben stayed healthy he would have easily posted some career numbers.

  • Douglas Andrews

    I got one of my Steelers buddies for saying fire Arians he sucks now he says the same thing as you lol….

  • Douglas Andrews

    Can’t argue with the contracts but I think when it comes to Brown and even Wallace from last year the problem is not talent it’s immaturity with the lack of leadership. We really miss Hines Ward’s leadership skills. The group of wr’s last year were a complete mess and this young money crew was a joke. Seemed more interested in counting money than playing winning football. Hard to replace a guy like H Ward’s intangibles like work ethic, professionalism, and passion for the game.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    On other website, a message board I said “if I’m Kevin Colbert I pick up the phone, send Redman and Paulson packing to Eagles for Bryce Brown. Trade away Ziggy Hood for a draft pick. I try my best to retain F. Velasco, move Pouncey over to LG.

    Trade up to highest as possible in draft next season and grab the best left tackle.

    Risky and bold, but that’s what I would have done.

  • S Mikuls

    GET RID OF TODD HALEY!! He sucked in KC and he sucks even worse in Pittsburgh. We will not do anything well until you dump this loser.

  • Steel Fan

    Anything is better than Todd Haley… Even a fuck’n dallas cheerleader is better… C’mon MAN!

  • jason

    It is obvious that Arians is a much better motivator and coach than Haley is or ever will be. Sucks we let him go. Never have been a Haley fan.

  • S Mikuls

    GOOD!

  • Jay Jaber

    That will never happen they invested a lot of early picks in the offensive line they won’t draft another in the first. They will take a wr in the first round that’s what we need most right now and the bryse brown trade no way the eagles will trade him cause of leshon McCoy is injured way to often and that’s a not a good trade for the eagles

  • Jay Jaber

    And I really like Paulson as a second tight end he’s a very good receiver

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    I wouldn’t applauds Dan Snyder. RGIII was Snyder’s decision. Kirk Cousins was Shanahan’s. Shanahan were forced to adapt, change his playbook all for one player. Why do you think they are 0-2 now when they were 4-0 (when they played to win, they did outplayed all four teams including ours) in pre-season. Shanahan is much comfortable with his old school pro-system that utlitizes a vertical threat Tight End.

    Redskins are just where we are now because of dilemmas the head coaches have came on.

  • JohnnyV1

    I actually like it that Ben was visibly fired up at his teammates lackluster performance, and that Brown and Haley went at it. We don’t need robots who just do what they’re told and just off the field after they just laid an egg. Show passion and that they care. Hopefully it was cause all involved to leave no stone un-turned and right this capsized offensive ship.

  • Sdale

    I agree. I still have hope for him.

  • JPDQ

    Amen. Arians was the guy that always wanted to go shotgun w/ five wide on 3rd & 2. The guy that insisted on throwing the ball 1st and goal. The guy that consistently got Ben killed year in and year out. The bubble screen. The smugness and letting Ben do whatever he wanted. God, I never want to see that bastard again.

    Ben was at the height of his talent w/ Arians, and we could’ve won more with a balanced offense. But, because Arians was so resistant to implementing more of a running game and reigning in Ben (just a little!), he was shown the door. I applaud the Rooneys.

    Haley’s scheme is not the problem. Our abysmal line, declining talent and blind stubbornness of our HC is the problem. Haley doesn’t take shit from people, and that’s the way a coach should be. As documented ad nauseum, our offense was fine last year at 6-2 when Ben was healthy and we had some semblance of a running attack.

  • JPDQ

    I agree that they didn’t handle the firing of Arians well. The FO should’ve come clean and said, “we’re moving on due to differences in offensive philosophies” but they didn’t. I think Arians got what he deserved, and hey, he’s doing fine now, right? As someone once said, “he obviously doesn’t care, why should you?”

  • JPDQ

    WHAT? The reason Arians was issued his walking papers was because he REFUSED the Rooneys mandate to tweak the offense! All he had to do was reel Ben in a little bit and stop being his frat buddy OC, but no, Ben’s health be damned, we’re gonna throw, throw, throw our way no matter what.

  • JPDQ

    It’s not like Haley is trying to run the ball 45 times a game. All he’s trying to do is establish a more balanced attack and prolong Ben’s career – something that Arians refused to do even though his bosses flat out TOLD HIM to do it.

    The people that wish Arians was back here now amaze me. You think letting Ben loose to try and throw 50 times downfield to Brown, Sanders and Cotchery is the way to fix this? My god, he’d be in intensive care by halftime with this O-line. Never mind the fact that we don’t have ANY deep threat receivers. Or Hines Ward. We don’t have any receivers that are particularly fast, particularly tough, or particularly able to serve in a leadership role in any way.

  • tpalya

    I have to call BS.
    Qb’s like Ben don’t come around very often.
    It took a quarter of a century to replace Bradshaw.

    What Art2 is doing is nothing more than replacing the
    engine in his top fuel dragster with a 4 banger because
    he is afraid of blowing the engine. OK, he may not blow
    his expensive engine, but he will never win again. The
    cost is too high!

    I would rather lose trying to win, than lose trying not to get hurt.

    That is the stuff the Browns are made of!

  • Mkeller

    Yes. Ben was very healthy last yr and looks like he’ll be the picture of health this yr. who cares if he’s healthy if the team sucks. He could get hurt at any moment. No system is going to change that fact. It’s simply insane to think at this point he’ll reinvent himself and become Peyton Manning.

  • JPDQ

    If you’re gonna call BS, I’m gonna call ignorance. Ben’s best days are behind him, and if somebody didn’t step in and try to mitigate that (the Rooneys), Ben’s career would be over a lot sooner than later. You’re talking about having a fairly productive Ben for the next few years, or effectively having no Ben if Arians had stayed.

  • JPDQ

    I have no idea why you would bring up Peyton Manning, but regardless, you don’t think it makes more sense to try and minimize the risk of injury rather than saying, “F**k it, let’s get him killed a couple more seasons rather than change our philosophy slightly and keep our franchise QB healthier for a longer period.” What, Roethlisberger is SO supremely talented that the only offense he can execute is one where he runs around for his life with no structure or strategy?

    And yes, Ben WAS healthy the first half of the season and took fewer sacks as a result. And we were 6-2. True, one of those sacks resulted in an injury, but overall, he was healthier than years past. It’s all about doing what you can to minimize the risk to a guy you’re paying $100+ million. I’m glad the Rooneys get it, cause fans need to enjoy it while they can. The next guy ain’t gonna be winning Super Bowls for us.

  • Mike Carroll

    I completely agree with you about the salary cap management, and I said
    as much throughout much of last year and into the offseason. But, it
    seems to me that most fans on this site don’t really care or understand
    about that facet of the NFL. The most telling sign that the Steelers
    roster was in trouble entering this past offseason was written in bold
    letters in the cap numbers: the top ten player cap numbers amounted to
    $100.3M (or about 81% of the cap budget) which was the 2nd highest
    amount in the entire league. To me that was a glaringly obvious sign that the
    team was way too top heavy cap-wise, paying a huge amount to a limited
    number of players, meaning the team would have a very thin roster this
    season. While few (or any) people agreed with my posts at the time,
    strangely enough there has since been a general consensus that the biggest problem with
    this year’s team is a lack of depth (or even starting talent) across many positions.

  • Gary Thomas

    mASSA aRT DON’T HAVE A CLUE….RICH SPOILED KID THAT INHERITED A GREAT FRANCHISE FROM GRANDFATHER AND DAD…………

  • Fr33th1nk3r

    Yet he almost stole SB XLIII out from under us. Be fair.

  • bubba mccoy

    haley cant adjust……whatever is in his hand that’s wat he runs……no matter what…….if tomlin don’t overrule his butt….he also will be looking for job