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Steelers Versus Bengals Winners And Losers – Week 2


The Pittsburgh Steelers lost 20-10 Monday night to the Cincinnati Bengals and below is my list of winners and losers from the game. Feel free to add your own in the comments below.

Winners:

Ike Taylor - Taylor gets the biggest gold star of them all for his play Monday night as held Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green to just six catches for 41 yards on 14 targets. Sure, he may have missed a tackle or two, but he had the hardest job on defense and he did it well.

LaMarr Woodley - While he didn't register a sack in the game, Woodley registered three total tackles and two hits on Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton.

Derek Moye - While one catch for one yard and a touchdown might not seem like much, Moye did exactly what he was asked to do and his size must now be respected inside the red zone moving forward. That one play will ensure that he is used in situations such as that moving forward.

Fernando Velasco - Velasco only had a week to learn the Steelers offense after being signed last Monday and he played well all things considered. There were a few miscommunications, but overall he filled in nicely at center. The Steelers were lucky that he was still unemployed after they lost Maurkice Pouncey for the season.

Cameron Heyward - While the Steelers former first-round draft pick didn't register a tackle in the game, he provided pressure on Dalton throughout the game. He was credited with two batted down passes to go along with one quarterback hit.

Losers:

David Paulson - Paulson caught three balls for 49 yards but his fumble following a 34-yard catch was a huge turning point in the game. To make matters worse, Paulson continues to be a liability as a blocker in the run game.

Ryan Clark - Clark not only missed a few tackles in the game, he was also responsible for the big 61-yard gain by Bengals tight end Tyler Eifert as he bit on an a quarterback fake in cover-3 and left the middle of the field wide open for an easy pitch and catch.

Ben Roethlisberger - A 54% completion ratio is just not going to cut it and especially when more than a few of his passes were way off target. On the interception, he threw the ball behind Jerricho Cotchery, who had a few steps on two Bengals defenders.

Marcus Gilbert - Another poor showing in the pass protection department by Gilbert, who allowed several pressures during the game. It might be time to let Kelvin Beachum take a shot at right tackle.

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  • Rod Hedrick

    Can we add Haley to the loser category? Still shaking my head over the JC reverse.

  • Nolrog

    Steelers were lucky that Dalton was off target in the first half. He missed several wide open targets to start the game.

  • Berlusconi

    I think Keisel had again a good showing. Jarvis showed improvement as a pass rusher after showing nothing in that area last game and he is a special team beast. Blake was also fast downfield on a few punts, could he take over for curtis brown?
    Neither of the young ILB were good, but i guess that could not be expected, and maybe too much to ask for.

  • kakello34

    Still can’t run a yard on 3rd and 1. Some things never change. The play calling was abysmal.

  • RW

    Get Gilbert out of there. Once you watch the tape Adams will show up on the losers list, too. He’s remarkably slow. If we had a true left tackle our o-line could be great.

  • psteelers

    Watch the onslaught of excuses for Ben pour in. No isn’t still suffering from knew surgery or the rib issue. He’s just showing why he’s not and will never be viewed as elite IMO. Above average yes, elite no. I posted this questions on another blog. Why do we NEVER hear the offensive coordinators of the elite qb’s ever blamed? Why aren’t the offensive lines for the Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers (whos line is just as bad as ours) preventing these guys from having a few 30 point games? If we score in the mid twenties its a miracle. When you are a qb and for your entire career the defense is only giving up a little under 17pts a game you’ve been carried. When was the last time he has delivered in a big game? That Big Ben mantra has diminished, he’s little Ben.

  • T R

    Diffently Ben needs to be on this Loser’s list he missed many passes… But hell if you got Gilbert blocking your blind side, i guess i would be looking over my shoulder too. Run game is TERRIBLE…. why was Dwyer only giving 1 run. Why did Will Johnson even dress he play what how many downs 2 ?

  • RW

    Rodgers’ line isn’t as bad as ours, and he has better receivers. You’re abandoning ship way too early on this guy. Drew Brees total sacks in last 10 years = 216, Brady = 240, Manning = 147, Rodgers = 217 (only in the league 8 years), Big Ben = 351 (in 9 total years) with only 7 coming in the first year. Get your facts straight.

  • Delroy Ross Jr.

    He has mike adams blocking his blind side and he is even worst! he is so damn SOFT!!

  • DAYSNWAYS

    whilst Woodley had some decent pressure he failed to get the sack on one play, by coming in too fast and then, instead of batting down a 3rd down pass, he put his head down and nailed Dalton – where are the big, game changing plays from big lamar and his big contract, wasn’t this meant to be a defensive player of the year type year for him? He is improved on the last couple of seasons fair enough, but its simply not enough!

  • Rednecksrule

    You forgot Adams who got his butt thrown around the field when he wasn’t falling for inside rushes.

    Add Colbert and Tomlin to the SUCK list too– they put together this weakazz talent that is going nowhere fast.
    Those two had better learn to figure out talent this upcoming offseason or it will be a decade of sucking. Cowher is gone and his players are aging. Now Tomlin has to stop riding on the coatails of a super bowl calibre team handed to him and Colbert has to get a clue also as to what constitutes talent at the offensive line.

  • psteelers

    Being sacked isn’t always a sign of how bad the offensive line is. Our qb should’ve taught you that by now. Getting rid of the ball eliminates sacks. To steelers fans everybody in the league has a worst o-line. By your admission Peyton has always had a perfect line. It’s called throwing the ball away, live to play another down.

  • Rednecksrule

    De Castro also got beat badly on several plays and that is a quick path to Ben, given that he at guard.

    A #$%^ the whole offensive line sucks really–except I would give the new center a pass, having a week to learn the offense.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Not sure Woodley is the problem.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Adams, Gilbert whats the difference, they are both sieves

  • dkoy85

    Woodley, while not much of an excuse, has always been a little slow to come on. Usually takes him 3 or 4 games, but when he does he certainly is a game changer. Glad to see him on the winners list.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Gilbert is a firing train wreck addicted to cocaine with aids. He doesn’t look good at all.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    To me it has been half and half. Ben has always held onto the ball way to long but over the last several years our OL’s have been poor.

  • Bell Cow

    Agreed.

  • Bell Cow

    I was really surprised how well Velasco played under these circumstances. I was also happy to see Heyward play well.

  • steeltown

    Ok, im starting to think we are still missing two very important pieces on Offense (besides Miller and Bell) we need a BIG WR to go along with Brown and Wheaton, its evident that Ben needs a big target. Also we need a stud LT so that Adams can play RT, this would also in turn get Gilbert off the field, who could then serve as a backup with Beachum

  • steeltown

    Indeed… its both

  • Chad H

    There was better play calling by Haley. Yes the reverse to JC was a mistake.
    This is the worst O-line I can ever remember. Gilbert, Adams and Decastro don’t even look like serviceable back ups.
    Jones is looking like an ILB than an OLB. Where is his pass rushing?
    The RBs not so great but hard to evaluate with this O-line.
    Ben looked rattled and scared. He will be out for the season soon. Sorry Ben I would just lay down and play dead because you are getting mauled every game!
    On the bright side hockey season is around the corner.
    Steelers will pick in the top 5 in the draft. Sorry guys I will watch and mostly swear at the TV but this season will not get better.

  • psteelers

    Last several years? Or since Ben has become the starter? Has the line ever been consider good since he has taken over?

  • psteelers

    Don’t get it twisted this line is below average at best. But a qb that can make quick reads and get the ball out would help. Ben doran’t do that well. It appears he struggles picking up what the defense is doing. He goes no huddle but we are snapping the ball at 1 or zero seconds. The d-line has a full head start.

  • steeltown

    Definitely put Ike Taylor and Velasco on the winners list

  • 2443scott

    i am guessing after reading that …the steelers need to check the wavier wire for a forrest ranger because yogi and boo boo are comeing to town and they dont just want a picinic basket and he better have a tranquiliser gun to get them when they try to maul ben …..or maybe use it on coaching staft maybe team can play better on there own

  • JPDQ

    I wasn’t surprised by Velasco one bit. People have this inflated sense of how “great” Pouncey is. He’s a better-than-avg center, and so is Velasco. Assuming Velasco stays healthy, trade Pouncey next year and see if we can’t get a decent tackle or a 2nd or 3rd rd pick.

  • ATL96STEELER

    On Dave’s notes.

    I totally agree with him on Taylor…did a very good job on one of the best WRs in the game. Was a little disappointed in Clark’s play.

    The number maybe not suggest this but I thought F. Jones played well…you can see the difference with him hitting the line vs Redman…much more burst.

    Overall I thought the OL played okay…what is clear…right now teams can double Brown and man up everywhere else and Ben is not able to make the DEF pay.
    Sanders is doing okay, but he’s not enough without Miller in the middle of those zones.

  • JPDQ

    I would definitely give Jones and Dwyer the bulk of the carries. Let Redman come in at the goal line to satisfy Tomlin’s man-crush, if you must, but my god, give SOMEBODY the ball more than 10 times in a game.

    Of course, Tomlin has proven that his philosophy and mine in terms of a running game are 180 degrees apart.

  • JPDQ

    I thought the exact same thing. Caught myself at halftime saying, “Damn, if Dalton had connected on just a couple more passes, this would be much, much uglier.”

  • ATL96STEELER

    I’m anxious to get Beachum on the field too, but I don’t think they need to start tinkering with the OL yet. I would give this group the next 2 games then make a change coming out of the bye.

    On your main point…Miller will solve a lot of the problems, and if Bell hits the hole like F. Jones, then I’m fine with those 2 sharing the load…we don’t know what Wheaton will do, but now we’re seeing the impact or lackthereof that Wallace brought to the game…Brown is seeing 2 defenders on most routes and Sanders is not doing enough imo with 1 on 1 coverage.

    It’s early, but as of today I would not re-sign Sanders…they have to find a bigger WR that can play

  • kev4heels

    Ultimate losers from this game – the Steeler fans. The offense is truly offensive and tough to watch.

  • Bell Cow

    For those who don’t want to place a majority of the blame on Toddy Haley, just watch the Chicago Bears next week.

    Take a look at what Trestman was able to do in 1 off-season. He took over a team with a below average offensive line, a receiving core with only 1 good WR in Brandon Marshall, and an inconsistent QB in Jay Cutler who has been sacked just as much as him. Yet, they’re averaging around 370 yards/game and approximately 28 pts/game. Whereas our offense is competing with the Jacksonville Jaguars for last place.

  • Black & Yellow

    I have to agree with you. Big Ben sucks! He is the #1 problem because he’s not accurate. He holds on to the ball to long, take to many sacks, can’t read defenses properly and throws interceptions at crucial times. I would sit his big a$$ after we go 0-4. He is overrated that’s why he didn’t win a MVP in any of the Superbowls. Pittsburgh fans try to protect this guy for what reason I don’t know why. He’s been in the league for 10 or 11 years and plays like a damn rookie sometimes. Quit blaming the offense line. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and other veteran QB’s deal with the same issues but manage to overcome and win games.

  • Gloria Burke

    I was amazed at how our running backs can’t even chip block in protection. #23 Jones was a step stool for the linemen/backers coming thru the OL. Awful. I am surprised he wasn’t called out by name above for his ineptitude.

  • JPDQ

    Ben had a pretty bad day at the office. Uncharacteristic of him, but it happens now and again. Don’t remember the last time I saw him miss that many passes that badly. As I’ve said before though, Ben’s best days are behind him and he’s incapable of single-handedly carrying the offense. We’ve got major, major problems w/ our running game, and this whole abortion of an offense is just painful to watch.

    I guess our defense is gonna have to hold teams to six points or less, since we can’t score more than one touchdown per game.

    It’s absolutely mind-boggling how the running game is turning out EXACTLY like last year. As much as I believe Dwyer should AT LEAST get the same opportunities as Redman and Jones, you can’t just abandon the run like this in a one score game.

    Velasco was good, Taylor was better-than-okay I guess, everybody else… eh, f**k it, it’s gonna be a long season and my 8-8 prediction is looking a little optimistic at this point. I hope next year is better.

  • psteelers

    Now Ben is suggesting the receivers lost the ball in the lights. Lol. Enough with the excuses. If you don’t overthrow 11 passes they wouldn’t have to worry about the lights.

    He doesn’t suck but he’s just above average. No where near elite.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Elite is an over used term w/o any real definition so I couldn’t care less whether Ben is elite or not.

    I do agree with you that Ben is part of the problem…his OL doesn’t really allow him to go through 2 or 3 progressions, but he does often have time to throw the ball away vs taking the sack. The really bad sack before the half…that ball was snapped near the 30…he’s back peddling, spun out and had plenty of time to find a WR or throw it away…he takes a sack near the 12…he didn’t have to do that.

    On the flipside…where are his playmakers? Aside from Brown…the rest are struggling against man coverage.

  • Fivesevenzero Sports-Radio

    I agree with you Kiesel played well and Jarvis is getting better every game.. We have to remember this is his 2nd game with dicks defense! He is gonna be good! Took Timmons 3 years to learn the D

  • RW

    His first few years with Faneca and Hartings – that line was very good.

  • JPDQ

    Agree on Jones. He seems to be the better option than Redman, not that that says much…

    Tomlin continues to act like a petulant child in regards to Dwyer.

    Overall, the secondary performed better than I expected, though Dalton missed quite a few throws in the first half.

    Nobody can create turnovers on this defense. NOBODY. How is that possible?

    I guess the only “positive” I saw last night was that nobody got seriously injured. And Velasco did well, I suppose, although I never really figured it would be that hard for him.

  • RW

    You’re right, but 351 sacks is a lot for anyone. Ben isn’t a below average QB – he just lacks an adequate number 1 receiver and his start TE is hurt. Add that to a below average pass blocking o-line and you can see why he’s not doing well. If you noticed yesterday, there were several times that Ben got rid of the ball quickly because he was scared he was going to get hit, and with good reason – both of his tackles couldn’t block a piece of moving cardboard if they were offered all the cake in the world…

  • Christopher Wilkes

    The block was there. Redman ran to the wrong side of it.

  • Fivesevenzero Sports-Radio

    May be a bit premature but we may be looking for a new offensive coordinator! I understand the offensive line is atrocious but you would think Haley can come up with some quick slants or not telegraph out running plays.. I don’t know, Unless LeVeon Bell is the next coming of Jesus Christ were in for a loooong season

  • RW

    I agree – Velasco is a fine center who can pass block very well and get to the second level in the running game. I think having a pulling center is overrated for this team. Get back to the fundamentals of football. If Pouncey won’t take a deal that puts true value on him, I’m more than happy with Velasco.

    We are in terrible need of a true LT. I can’t stress that enough. If we pick top 10 in this next draft and don’t draft a true LT, I’m going to lose my mind. We also need a stud WR. Don’t know how we’ll ever get both – might be a while before we do have them. Other than that, we just need our young ILBs to get more experience. Should help (several times either Williams or Wilson blew an assignment in coverage yesterday, most noticeably on the second TD by Bernard).

  • RW

    Bell will help things (hopefully). He can’t be any worse than Redman or Dwyer. And at least he’s a 3-down back. Heath will also help, but right now we have no one to take the top off of coverage. Unless Wheaton is a surprise deep threat, I wouldn’t expect this to be a very good year for Ben or the offense.

  • psteelers

    Ben has to throw guys open at times. from what I see Ben doesn’t anticipate plays well, nor does he get us out of bad plays enough. For all the jumping on Haley that takes place Ben can and does call audibles. If you taped the game look at how long it takes him to signal changes to the rest of the offense. He struggles in that area IMO. After all of these seasons he plays like a rookie at times. I hope he and his agent understand he won’t be getting another ridiculous contact from the steelers.

    I look at the patriots and other then amedola none of their receivers would make our roster

  • StrengthOfVictory

    Something stinks in the coaching department, and it’s certainly not LeBeau. Wasting a Super Bowl QB with good players around him is unacceptable. Every season like this is a slap to Ben, to the fans, and to this franchise. There are teams that would do ANYTHING for a player like Ben, and we’re acting like he’ll always be here.

    I mean, hell, we’re looking like the Chargers in years past.

  • Matt Lipner

    I’m increasingly realizing how terrible Redman is. There was a HUGE lane inside on that play and Redman clearly didn’t even consider changing course

  • ATL96STEELER

    The DEF was “close” several times on sacks..I was very pleased with the front 7 (except on the TD pass to Benard)…it was not a comfortable pocket for Dalton…was hit several times, threw early a lot…the combination of J. Jones, and Woodley will cause some…would love to see LeBeau flood Jones’ side with Troy crowding the line and Timmons blitzing a little more…the DEF is okay…got to keep progressing on OFC to dig out of this 0-2 hole.

  • Guest

    I agree.. Awful play calling! And whoever the coach is who decided it wasn’t important to run a quick play

  • Michael Briscoe

    Dear Jack ass aka (Rednecksrule) your comment makes me laugh just another Jack ass who doesn’t know football, on Cowhers coattails? really? Cowher won 1 superbowl with all that talent , multiple losses in AFC championships, but Tomlin is riding his coattails yea ok

  • Fivesevenzero Sports-Radio

    I agree! Whoevers responsibility it was to run a play after that Paulson fumble needs to be on the loser list as well! Tomlin or Haley not sure whose at fault but we should of fan a quick play! That changed the momentum of this game!

  • RW

    And Tom Brady is doing well? Did you see the Bills game? He played terribly.

    Also, it wasn’t too long ago that we had Bruce Arians, and when Ben was calling the plays he was much more efficient. I can’t understand why you’re knocking Ben so much – he’s got a group of receivers that can’t separate from coverage. Seriously watch the tape and tell me you disagree.

  • RW

    Plenty of coaches have taken over super bowl winning teams with loads of talent and tanked. Your point is superfluous.

  • steeltown

    I saw Wilson for sure blow a coverage, I noticed shortly after that V.Williams was in there for the majority of the rest of the game.

    We don’t necessarily need to draft WR in the 1st Rd or anything, history has shown us we draft good ones in the 3rd, its just we need to draft a BIG one this time!
    OT, CB, WR, TE are pretty big needs judging by the last 2yrs

  • Mike.H

    David Paulson’s 2nd catch, he continued to carry the pigskin like a loaf of bread, elbows out, luckily, the ball didn’t POP OUT a second time.

    tuck the ball in your stomach, guard the pigskin after the catch. Watch films on Heath Miller, emulate the hero, Paulson!

  • ATL96STEELER

    Pats…they’re struggling just as much imo.

    Ben…I don’t want to sound like an apologist…he can and obviously must play better, but if you think the weapons are good enough…I haven’t seen it yet.

  • Mike.H

    Don’t know if it’s too late or correctable:

    Had Heath Miller played both games, we probably would be 2-0 and won both games by 3 points each.

    Oh, Paulson, tug in the ball after the catch, please. The yardage already been gain, just hold on to the ball, damn it.

  • 2443scott

    well for some GOOD NEWS by end next week bengals and ravens both could be 1-2 they are playing tough teams next week and if steelers win they also be 1-2 and even if steelers would lose they still be only a game out first place …bengals and ravens dont have a easy season either …and if you think steelers arent good how good do the ravens look right now ….so if the coaching staff can some how do their jobs and come up with a workable game plan for bears …by tuesday next week steelers could be tied for first place ….i for one am holding out for this out come and hoping miller is able to play by the time bears game comes around ..then at lease ben will have some one to dump the pass off to since haley dont do it to the backs ….so there is the good news of the day for this week…. now tomlin get ya mind off of the standard and excepting a lost and tell team to get out there and win …

  • psteelers

    Ben was only sacked 30 times in year 1 and 23 in year two and that’s when we ran the ball over over 50% of the time, since then we have given him more passing opportunities the line has been viewed as terrible, sacks, 46, 47, 46, 50, 32, 40 times. That’s not a coincidence. He struggles from the pocket making the simple plays. Last night 3rd and 30 he could’ve dumped the ball off to either the back or tightend in either flats but no he starts the lumbering around like an idiot and lose 15 yards.

  • SteveM2

    The Steelers HAVE a big wideout. He scored their only TD.

  • psteelers

    My points exactly, he’s having line issues with no weapons but he make the plays to win games. Ben makes plays that help us lose games. Go back and look at our last 8 loses in the regular season.

  • steeltown

    Yes, I know we have Moye (and J.Brown on the PS) hopefully he can be that big target for the time being, but not sure he’s the game changer we need, I guess we’ll see. He seems like a solid #4 or #5 with size

  • Reg Sayhitodabadguy Hunt

    Special teams in winner column i thought ike played ot

  • psteelers

    Im not saying we should be averaging 30 pts a game but 9.5? I mean when we had those type of weapons we were still lucky to score in the mid twenties. Career wise he average like 22 per game. That’s with a defense that scored points forced turnovers all the time during his career up until the last couple. What do you suggest when his contract is up? What good is an immobile qb whose greatest attribute is his mobility?

  • Bradley Campbell

    Horrible: who has Max Starks ph# then flip Adams to RT. Yikes

  • DAYSNWAYS

    maybe if, he’d have actually sacked Dalton, stripped the ball maybe, causing a turnover? Or batted the pass, forcing a punt? This guy is meant to be all world, . . . isn’t he meant to be a difference maker?

  • Mike Carroll

    Good job on both lists.

  • Bob Graff

    Told you he needed weapons. If we [were] going to have any chance of winning this year. BTW Eifert looks pretty good not only the catch but he was blocking Jones with no problem. He looks like a young H. Miller with speed.

  • Jeremy Skillings

    I think this is a season to get some young guys more time and hope we
    get better as the year goes on and maybe sneak in the playoffs at the
    end. I think Ben is definitely dropping off. He has never been a great
    reader of defenses. He always just waits as long as he can for the
    defense to fall apart and then find someone on a broken play. He has
    even less time to do that now and he is getting worse at it. My only
    worry is when the rest of the young guys get their seasoning, we are
    left with an old and broken QB.

  • kakello34

    He was better in the past. I don’t know what happened to him. He used to always at least plow ahead for 3 or 4 yards.

  • srdan

    Please put Tomlin and Haley on the losers. This is not peewee football. Not everybody needs a chance to play. Felix was running well and then we pulled him to start the rotation. WHY???? It was working with Felix.

    This coaching staff is thick skulled. Quit trying to fit your team to your scheme, Fit your scheme to your players!

  • kakello34

    He is pretty much Trent Dilfer with more ability to scramble.

  • SteveM2

    There’s only one way to find out what Derek Moye can do: play him more.

  • Marcus

    A part of me wonders if Ben is still the same guy from the beginning of last year.. He looks completely miserable out there, and something that use to be fun, has become a nightmare.. How is the O-line this bad with all they have invested? I’ve heard a lot of people calling for Haley and Tomlin’s jobs, but what about Jack Bicknell Jr?? If they aren’t getting physically beat, then they are confused and miss assignments.. and I don’t care what anyone say’s Max Starks would be an upgrade over Gilbert.

    This is just my opinion, If you do not agree that is fine, but please no troll.

  • T R

    he better hurry or season will be over

  • kakello34

    They don’t have the cap space for a game changer. Need to develop Moye. Let him and Wheaton play

  • srdan

    BB does not suck. This isn’t fantasy football.

    With that being said, he was terrible last night and cost us the game. A year ago he was an MVP candidate. Let’s be patient with him. He has to carry this team.

    I honestly think that with the issues that Cutler was having with Lovie Smith, the coaching change makes sense. Cutler will always turn the ball over, but he is playing so much better with the new coach. BB is hte same way. Haley just doesn’t fit him. It’s easier to get an OC than a franchise QB. I can’t believe I am saying this because I was a huge advocate to get rid of Bruce, and was excited for Haley.

    And I don’t think they are giving Haley a fair shot either. For his offense to work he needs a possesion receiver. (bowe) We don’t have that on our best day.

  • kakello34

    On a positive note, the secondary played a great game. I really like what I see out of Shamarko. Let him start sharing time with Clark. The defense just needs to get to the QB and force some turnovers. Jarvis seems so close on a lot of plays

  • T R

    hard to get a quick read when soon as u snap the ball a DL is on ya lap runing you down.

  • Bob Graff

    Edlemen is better than anyone we have. take a guess who has more career punt returns for td’s him or Brown you would be surprised

  • Jeff

    Anyone else starting to get a feeling of disgust when Jarvis leaves the field, and Worilds comes on? I hope this occurrence becomes less and less, because I really like what I see out of our rookie first round pick.

  • Bob Graff

    He is playing pretty good but he’s getting beat to the edge and they can’t use him in pass coverage.

  • Bob Graff

    He has no line and his option of plays to run are short and pretty rancid.

  • Jonas

    The important part for me is that both weren’t bad either!

  • steeltown

    Moye is a nice option but he is not a #1 or #2 WR, but he’ll help in the redzone this year for sure

  • Weiss Chad

    He won the starting job on 2 carries in pre season
    He had a stinger was kept out of last cpl pre season games like he is adrian peterson.They knew they were getting rid of dwyer draft day.Seems to me si far he os only back that can run behind line.Im not a big dwyer fan but imo this was to me a big coaching error.If it was a true competition I believe dwyer would have won job fairly.There just is no identity to this team and seems like no gameplan except on defense.O line is brutal,decastro spends more time on the ground and diving at knees than he does on feet.They cant run a play w out one of the tackles being beaten.Ben seems to be to nervous and off target which I can’t blame him.This offense has a 2 and 3 reciever and no number one..And then there’s haley .

    Smh

  • steeltown

    Well I agree with that, Moye and Wheaton BOTH

  • steeltown

    If you draft one, it’ll be 4yrs before he’d be due any BIG $$$, by that time our cap issues will be far less prominent, but I also agree at this point they have to get Moye and Wheaton more involved, no other options this year

  • OIF3gunner

    Actually, they have more than one good receiver. Alshon Jeffrey and Earl Bennett are good and don’t forget Martellus Bennett. Matt Forte must not be good in your opinion either!?

  • Mkeller

    And he’s not getting to the QB. Had another tackle for loss and a couple real good hits on ST.

  • psteelers

    Really Edelman? We aren’t talking about punt returners are we? Didn’t know this was a special teams debate. Tom Brady would do cartwheel if you would replace brown with Edelman right now. With Brady AB would catch 100 balls by game 12.

  • psteelers

    Haley’s offense doesn’t work because it requires a qb that could make quick reads and get rid of the ball. I think he was a bad hire because those are Ben’s two biggest faults. Ben has had too much success playing unconventional qb to come in and try to extend his career by making him play traditional qb. I understand the thought process by ownership but it’s not going to work with Ben.he’s too stuck in his old ways. I only hope we don’t give him another contract.

  • PA2AK

    If you put the responsibility on Ben (aka, ALLOW your franchise, two-time champ, QB more flexibility) then he would have had the mindset that it is his call to hurry the offense down the field. Instead Art II/Haley/Tomlin all act like Ben is a dolt and won’t be as productive as 3 straight runs or a backside george reverse with an AARP member. And can we keep Paulson off the field. He fails over and over again…not only that, but wow does he look pathetic…even when just in motion.

  • PA2AK

    somewhat ironic that the reasons they let go of dwyer (can’t read the blocks and leaves extra yards on the field, money, fumbles) are what Redman is bringing to the table. Complete failure on reading the blocks, drops the ball in key moments, costs too much for what he ISN’T doing…oh and add in that he’s a short yardage back that can’t get the short yards.

  • PA2AK

    Don’t forget that those QB’s have a lot of freedom in running the offense. This organization has hog-tied Ben in that regard. He wasn’t even allowed to audible last year. Also…those QB’s don’t have an owner that wants to rewind the clock on the NFL and get back to 3-yards and a cloud of dust. There are other factors. Put any one of those QB’s behind that OL while being restricted in their freedoms as has Ben…you won’t get a good result.

  • Jay Jaber

    Jones almost had two sacks. As soon as started to get a feel of the game they took him out and put worilds in

  • Jay Jaber

    Felix jones didn’t play great but he had positive yards 3 yards here 4 yards there and they took him out and put red man in I don’t fricking get it Felix looked good they should’ve stuck with him

  • Bilgewater D

    Jarvis is going to take off next year. Its going to be a work in progress this year.

    We’re a 4-12 team. Jake Mathews here we come!

  • Jay Jaber

    Your defenitally thinking of Dwyer

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    Some players played well, some didn’t. This is a mediocre team at best, but there is enough talent, and lack of talent, for the extremes to stand out. And I suppose, thinking optimistically, there was enough last night to inspire some confidence going forward (Woodley looking like he had his motor running, Velasco looking like he’s a solid replacement at C, Moye stepping up as a possible complement to the speedier WRs, Cotchery playing an integral role (if only Ben had been more accurate, some of the younger players showing flashes of promise, like Heyward), particularly when you consider the additions of Heath and Bell in the coming weeks. Maybe, just maybe, they can climb if not back to contention then at least to respectability.

    But there also appears to be something rotten at the core. As in recent years, they keep beating themselves with silly, ill-timed mistakes: turnovers, penalties, etc. On D, while they were fine last night, particularly Ike, it just seems like any good offence could pick them apart, toy with them, and utterly destroy them. All the while, they just can’t seem to get that sack when they need it, that game-changing play that used to define them. It honestly seems like they can’t even get a turnover anymore. You’d think the ghastly turnover rate would at least revert to the mean, but that hasn’t happened.

    But for all the focus on the players, I think we have to treat them for what they are. Some great, some decent, some poor, some just embarrissingly bad, but overall, as a collective, mediocre at best with occasional flashes of something more.

    And so we turn to the coaching, which at least through two weeks this year, on top of what we saw last year, has been pitifully bad. It’s not that I think they should get rid of Tomlin or even Haley, let alone Lebeau, nor anyone further down the ranks. It’s hard to see how that would do any good at this point. And, to be fair, they’re not exactly operating with all hands on deck, particularly Haley. You try calling plays with that o-line, with those RBs, without Heath, without Wallace (Brown, Sanders, and Cotch are fine, but does anyone really think that’s a sufficient core?). But this is a team that just seems to be lost — and Ben’s exasperation last night, some of it no doubt directed at himself, seemed to capture the mood. Yes, they’ll get some of their “stars” back, and maybe, just maybe, they’ll recover (hey, only one game out in the division!), but this is a team that desperately needs an identity, a sense of purpose, and some serious inspiration. It’s not always fair to blame the coaches when these things are lacking, but this year, I fear, Tomlin and his staff will really have to dig deep to show what they, and their team, are made of.

    Otherwise, all we can really hope for is something short of mediocrity leading to an uncommonly high draft pick next year. As a life-long Steelers fan, even thinking that way makes me sick. But reality is what it is, and there’s no escaping it.

  • Jay Jaber

    Adams actually did not play bad he did get beat a couple times but Gilbert is the problem. Last year Gilbert looked good idk what happend to him

  • sean mcmartin

    exactly, and besides bradshaw who have the Steelers had at QB that was as good as Big ben? maybe other fans liked kordell or tommy gun. I can see Ben is not fired up to win games, he is also making alot of money, an employee cant come out and bad mouth management. He knows haley sucks and he is going to work to do his job, but not do a great job. I’ve witnessed this happen at a few businesses. employees need their job and just do what is asked, but don’t enjoy being there..
    Im thinking Tomlin has lost any way to motivate and haley sucks for this team..
    Mr. Rooney is the only guy who can save this team with coaching changes.
    also the o-line coach has not been able to coach up high draft picks..This sucks seven ways to sunday…

  • bgsteelfan

    Cotchery belongs on the loser list for his inconsistent play as well.

  • PA2AK

    If you recall…Mr. Rooney’s demands are what created this situation in the first place. Tomlin wanted BA to stay around (as much as I didn’t agree..but it should be the HC’s decision), but Rooney had him ‘retire.’ Also, the 3 yards and a cloud of dust decree came down from Art II as well. Don’t underestimate the pressure these coaches are under to do Art II’s bidding. It is unorthodox coming from a Rooney, but Art II is not of the same mold as The Chief or Dan.

  • Jay Jaber

    Dave u forgot to add mike and tod hayley to the losers list as well for not using markus Wheaton enough they kept throwing the ball on the go routs to Emanuel and Antonio and the defenders were stuck to them like glue markus is our fastest receiver and they didn’t even use him for those plays. In the preaseason he obviously showed us he can run past the defender

  • RW

    Confidence shaken by getting beat out at LT probably. Still, Adams can’t afford to get beat as badly as he did all game.

  • HiVul

    I think that it might be time to start playing younger players just to see if they can give this team a boost. Our offense can’t stay on the field. I know we have a terrible O-line but I don’t think our skill players are much better right now. I’m tired of seeing Brown and Sanders drop catches, screw up footwork on the sideline and trip over themselves in the open field. If I’m making personnel decisions, at this point I’m starting Markus Wheaton and rotating AB and Sanders on the other side. Put Moye in the game more often too.

    That might sound harsh to AB and Sanders, but we need a play maker right now. Our defense can’t force turnovers and our skill players aren’t stepping up but who else do we have? Until Heath and Bell come back this team needs a shot in the arm. Give Wheaton a chance to do something

  • cencalsteeler

    The coaching staff – Anytime there is a play that might be reviewable upstairs (Paulsons fumble) there should be a hurry up play put into place and the offense should prepare and practice for when this situation arises. Everyone stood around looking at one another giving Marvin and his staff time to review it upstairs and eventually throw out the red flag. This play alone, or lack there of, was the game changer.

  • psteelers

    Maybe there is a reasons he’s not allowed to. Even his bff refused to give him full control of the offense. I don’t think he’s proven capable of doing that. of you look at the bonehead plays he make would you feel completely comfortable given him full control? when Ben is discussed one word you always hear is tough, I give him that. You never hear smart, intellectual film junky. Just saying. What tells me he struggles reading defense is how long it takes him to signal changes to the rest of the offense and we are always snapping the ball at the very end of the play clock. In turn I see these other qb’s snapping the ball with 10 to 15 seconds on the play clock. That alone can help the o-line.

  • Curtis

    I coach baseball and one of things I tell my players don’t try to aim the ball throw the ball to your target. With that being said a lot of the time when Ben has a little time it seems he’s unsure of the throw and tries to aim the ball. During the touchdown drive at the end of the first half Ben threw the ball and he was spot on. The pick he threw it look as if he was trying to be to careful and aim the ball. Also I think if your gonna run a hurry up offense, the play clock shouldn’t be at 5 seconds or under. Just my thoughts

  • Curtis

    What made that so bad is it looked as if they were trying to hurry up at first and then decided to sub, FOR WHAT? Ben knew or he wouldn’t of try to hurry them up in first place.

  • sean mcmartin

    Hard to fathom how far the Steelers have fallen and what this team has become. Andy dalton was smiling and enjoying himself, doing a fist pump when he had a good throw. he had the fire to win, ben looks like he is going through the motions. I don’t blame ben if he wants to be traded, or retires after he gets knocked out of this season.
    Gruden said it, “even the great Qb’s are only as good as their surrounding cast”

  • http://www.amazon.com/The-Sibyl-Reborn-ebook/dp/B009KNQHSM James P. Kelly

    Gale Sayers couldn’t run behind this offensive line.

    I understand the Steelers like Paulson for his hands and route-running skills. He blocks like a soggy tissue. So when he uses no ball security after catching the ball, and he drops passes that hit him in stride, why is he in the line-up? His current level of play represents a huge liability–his inability to block by itself should have him on the bench.

  • cencalsteeler

    Ben wanted to hurry up and run a play. The coaching staff were trying to change personnel. It’s on the coaches and that move alone swayed the momentum over to the Bengals.

  • PA2AK

    really couldn’t agree more.

  • Jonathon Bert Schade

    I feel it is extremely unfair to criticize Paulson. It’s only natural to compare him to Heath Miller, but the simple fact remains…he isn’t Heath and never will be. He works his ass off, though, despite having only average talent at best. And he is the only one of the ragtag TE corps to be visible. Anyone might have fumbled on that play and I, for one, don’t fault him for it.

  • sean mcmartin

    for as much cap space as he eats up, he should be a pro bowl LB who makes splash plays….another reason for the sad state of the Steelers..

  • PA2AK

    he runs the two minute drill pretty darn well. I won’t try to say he is a Peyton Manning, but he’s the best thing we have going on that offense and our owner wants to see us run the ball at all costs. Other QB’s have plays called in within 3-5 seconds of the playclock starting too. I can see some of your points, but I don’t see how hog-tying him helps anyone.

  • Curtis

    I was meaning Ben knew that it was a fumble and he was trying to hurry them up and the coaches sent a sub package. I agreeing with you.

  • Steeler Wheeler

    Is it legal to play with 10 players and only 4 linemen? It might be wiser if the offense knows for sure the LT will whiff the block because he is on the bench, rather than actually hoping he might block somebody.

  • Sdale

    How can Adams not be on the loser list? He was AWFUL!

  • ATL96STEELER

    Do we re-sign Ben? answering that today I would say idk, a lot can happen between now and 2016.

    That said…the guy 1st in my line as a scapegoat is Colbert. Just focusing on the OFC for now…Yes, he struck gold with a late round picks for A. Brown, the jury is still out on his 2 top OL picks. Beachum appears to be a player as well, could be another steal.

    Now to his his skill position offensive picks that Ben has to work with;
    Heath Miller, ’05, 1st rd

    Redman, ’09 undrafted FA
    Dwyer, ’10 6th rd

    Sanders, ’10 3rd rd
    Paulson, ’12 7th rd
    Will Johnson, ’12 undrafted FA
    David Johnson, ’09, 7th rd

    Derek Moye, ’12 undrafted FA
    Bell, ’12 2nd rd
    Wheaton, ’12 3rd rd

    I think this sampling is large enough to make my point…Brown (6th rd) is a legitimate NFL WR, probably a #2 on a playoff caliber team, but that’s not to take away from his talent…he’s good.

    The point of this list is to look where all of these players were drafted, if they were drafted…he has two 1st round picks (DeCastro, and Miller) and two 2nd rd picks (Adams, and Bell)…this is the crew that Ben is working with. Really only 2 of these players, Miller and Brown are proven at this level. Throw in Pouncey/Gilbert and that’s Colbert’s body of work for the OFC.

    That’s not that impressive to me.

  • Ceelamar

    Big Ben has his issues about holding on to the ball to long but the weapons are there…AB & Sanders are just playing in the wrong positions. These guys are underneath quick receivers. The ideal is to create mismatches. Put Moye & Wheaten on the outside to stretch the field. BTW AB can still be a #1 running underneath patterns.

  • ATL96STEELER

    I remember…you were all over Eifert, and I was all over Warmack & Lacy…lol

    Admittedly, you were right…I think the team would be better with Eifert & Miller.

  • Ceelamar

    No move Pouncey to OG…

  • Bell Cow

    Hahaha you must be kidding? Jeffrey and Bennett are good receivers? They’re average at best and no better than Brown, Sanders and Wheaton. Forte is good, but Bennett is an average journeymen tight end. Their line features cast away free agents such as Matt Slausen and a rookie 5th round pick at RT.

    Haley doesn’t seem to understand that his philosophy doesn’t match the personelle. He had a entire off season to fix it and nothing got done. He’ll be gone next year.

  • Bell Cow

    Thank you! I agree.

  • ATL96STEELER

    What?

    He’s not Miller, I get that, but the only reason this guy is in the NFL is b/c he’s supposed to have good hands…they know he can’t block which is why Speith was signed.

    The fumble is on Paulson and I certainly do fault him for it, but he’s is not the scapegoat here in my book. He can catch…work to his strength…he should’ve been targeted a lot more.

  • Rubem Dornas

    I’m sorry, I might have seen another game. Shamarko seemed totally lost, with some easy tackles that he has mistaken. He had some success on Special Teams and that was all.

  • Rubem Dornas

    I would put Keisel as a winner also.

  • psteelers

    I don’t think you can use what round players were picked in as the determining factor. Of you go around the NFL you’ll find the same thing. They only have one first round pick so it’s either offense or defense. AB was a steal, manny isn’t bad for a 3rd rounder IMO Wallace was a 3rd as well. Only the bad teams draft one side of the ball first round all the time. Research this how many first rounders the elite guys have as weapons? It’s elevating the play of those other guys is what great qb’s do.

  • ATL96STEELER

    I think you can when you’re trying to establish a talent base…sure, you’re going to miss on some high picks and you’ll get some low picks to produce…that’s the NFL. Not everybody blossoms in college, some kids hurt themselves with off the field stuff

    I’m granting Colbert some good picks…AB was a super pick, so was Keenan Lewis. Sanders…c’mon, they offered him #3 WR money for a yr, and only matched NE because they had no else ready to play. In his 4th yr, he’s trying to prove he deserves #2 money.

    Wallace? He along with Lewis opens more wounds for Colbert if you want to include the guys they couldn’t keep because of the cap…another topic.

    Being realistic, your top players typically come from the top of the draft…I don’t care what side of the ball, you can’t miss on too many high picks and you can’t build a playoff caliber OFC with bottom feeders and that’s what I’m pointing out.

    I don’t have the time for that level research, but another team that I know almost as well as PIT…ATL, Roddy White, 1st rd, Julio Jones, 1st rd, traded for Tony G, and signed the RB as a FA, but the caliber of the players were 1st rd talent.

    Feel free to look up other notable QBs, but I think we’re going to see that most other playoff caliber teams have a higher investment than PIT does for skill position players on OFC. Dalton is not as good as Ben imo, but look at his weapons.

    Final thought…understand that I’m with you, Ben is part of the OFC problem and he’s not as good as P. Manning, Brady, and probably 3 or 4 more, but before you get too caught up in replacing him, you can’t ignore what he’s working with.

  • Marcela Garza-Meza

    I really agree with you, Ben is good but not that good to put your faith in him, he has been carried for his entire carrer.

  • Marcela Garza-Meza

    But remember that a great porction of those sacks are on him!

  • Marcela Garza-Meza

    In all of those cases the Bengals showed blitz, and just once Ben hit the hot route.

  • Marcela Garza-Meza

    Ben is acurate and has shown fortitud and resilience, but certainly he can’t do it all, a good runing game would help, but apparently our coaches don’t understand the players and What better example that when Parker was asking for a full back but Arians never supported him.

  • Reader783

    I didn’t even hear Geno Atkins’s name mentioned. How can you say DeCastro looked like a backup? An All-Pro didn’t even affect the game, and DeCastro is a backup? Ok.

  • Jonathon Bert Schade

    Every ball handler fumbles, period. Sometimes the fault lies with the “loaf of bread” type error, sometimes not. Who would have held onto that ball ? Nobody.

  • ATL96STEELER

    I’m more than willing to credit a great play by a defender when it’s due.

    We probably won’t agree but in this case, Paulson caught the ball and turned to run…he saw the defender, gotta protect the ball, you’re inside the RZ…no, I can’t let him off the hook.

    As far as every ball carrier fumbling, yes it happens, but you can’t accept it or make excuses for it…

  • Jonathon Bert Schade

    I don’t know what Paulson saw and don’t really know how you do, but I’ll ask you the same question again: who could have held onto the ball on that play?

  • ATL96STEELER

    Any TE in the NFL should tuck the ball away and not fumble in that situation.

  • daddeeekip

    Its time to bring back Starks one more time and move Adams to RT, bench Gilbert and cut Whimper.

  • daddeeekip

    I will say this in Haley’s defense, every time the Steelers get a good drive going someone turns the ball over and the wheels fall off the wagon. And at this point they have no confidence to overcome their mistakes and the OL is overrated and is not that good.

  • daddeeekip

    On the same end Ben missed on some passes to plus the Cotchery drops, could have made a different game for the Steelers too.

  • Pete

    The Steelers had a plan for Geno Atkins. They always had multiple blockers on him. One guy cannot handle Atkins. But the Bengals were still able to bring the heat with Carlos Dunlap and company. Velasco did a very good job in the middle.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    How often do guys who are suppose to make a difference actually do it. I do expect Woodley to get a sack a game but as far as forcing a turnover I do not. It just isn’t realistic. I think you are putting too much on him with 10 other guys on the field the same time he is.

  • Jonathon Bert Schade

    And all dogs go to heaven.

  • ATL96STEELER

    If that works for you, it works for me…Go Steelers.

  • Jonathon Bert Schade

    All righty then. Can we forget about fumbles Sunday night? And just crush da bears?

  • ATL96STEELER

    Absolutely!

  • Reader783

    DeCastro is not pedestrian. The only pedestrian play on the line has been that of Gilbert and Adams.

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