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Steelers Versus Vikings – First Half Notes And Observations


The Pittsburgh Steelers are looking to regain their footing on the season, and they’ve traveled to London to do so. Le’Veon Bell makes his debut today, relegating Isaac Redman to the bench. Heath Miller returned last week, but should be even more involved in the offense this week.

The Minnesota Vikings received the ball first, with Shamarko Thomas making the tackle on the kickoff just before the 20. Vince Williams started ahead of Kion Wilson. On the first play, Matt Cassel found Jerome  Simpson for 13 yards. Adrian Peterson was held to three yards on his first carry. On second down, another pass to Simpson converted a first down. A facemask penalty advanced the Vikings beyond midfield.

Ike Taylor nearly intercepted a deep pass into the end zone intended for the rookie Cordarelle Paterson, however, and Peterson was held to three yards on second down. On third and seven, Cameron Heyward batted down his second pass of the season to force a long field goal attempt. Blair Walsh was good from 54 yards out, his 12th successful field goal from beyond 50 yards in his career in as many attempts, to put the Vikings up 3-0 early.

Felix Jones returned the kickoff, and was able to get out just beyond the 20, thanks in part to a block by Jonathan Dwyer. On first down, David Johnson bluffed a fullback role but moved to the line. Ben Roethlisberger avoided a sack and completed a pass to Miller for five yards. On empty set on second down, a screen to Markus Wheaton gained six yards and a first down for the rookie’s first career reception.

Le’Veon Bell gained one yard on his first career carry on the following play. A quick pass to Antonio Brown picked up five on second down. On third and four, the Steelers went empty again. Roethlisberger pump faked nearly half a dozen times, but his pass deep was well out of bounds, forcing a punt. The punt was nearly returned for a touchdown, but a flag brought it all the way back. The penalty was an invalid fair catch signal, which tacks on five yards to the end of the kick.

A missed tackle by Cortez Allen on third and three on Greg Jennings resulted in a long touchdown pass that was nearly all yards after the catch. Not a good start for Allen after missing the past two weeks. The Vikings grab an early 10-0 lead, as did the Chicago Bears the week before.

Le’Veon Bell was good for six on his second carry off the right side after a return to the 25 by Jones. On second down, Antonio Brown took an end around for a first down. After an incomplete pass on first down, Roethlisberger connected deep with Emmanuel Sanders for 36 yards down to the 23. In the no huddle, Bell got the carry again, but for no gain.

With Dwyer in at running back, Roethlisberger pump faked David Johnson open for eight yards to set up a third and short. Bell came back in on third down as Roethlisberger found Brown on a quick slant for a first down that set up first and goal.

On the first play after, Bell followed an excellent block by Miller to break out to the right side for the eight-yard touchdown to close the gap to 10-7. It was, of course, the rookie’s first career points, but it was also the Steelers’ first rushing touchdown of the season as well.

Much unlike the preseason, the regular season has seen the special teams become an asset for the Steelers, in particular the kick coverage unit, and once again they stopped their oppponents before the 20-yard line on a return. Brett Keisel dropped Peterson behind the line on first down.

On second down, Steve McLendon tossed aside the center to stop Peterson again after two  yards, setting up a third and eight. William Gay was in strong coverage on the third down pass to force a three-and-out. Antonio Brown fair-caught the ensuing punt on the 45-yard line.

Roethlisberger’s first down pass was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Le’Veon Bell took a screen for seven yards. The third down pass, however, was thrown away after strong pressure, resulting in a disappointing three-and out.

Cortez Allen had strong one-on-one coverage down the field on first down for the Vikings and did not allow the receiver any room to run to the ball. On second down, Peterson bullied his way for five yards. Ike Taylor nearly intercepted the third down pass after jumping a short route to force another punt, however. This time the Vikings boomed a 57-yard punt to flip the field.

Felix Jones carried the ball for one yard to close the first quarter. A hold on second down backed the Steelers up even further. The Steelers ran a draw on second and 19 that gained one yard for Jones. Brown was able to gain 15 yards on a screen, but it was short of the first down. It appeared he was nearly brought down by the facemask, but there was no flag.

Adrian Peterson finally found a crease on the next play for a long touchdown to take a 17-7 lead. Missed tackles abound. These big plays are highly uncharacteristic of the Steelers defense. It is the second week in a row after Matt Forte got free for a long one last week.

Felix Jones returned the ball to just the 14, and Bell was dropped in the backfield on first down. Ramon Foster walked off the field after the play and Kelvin Beachum replaced him for his first professional action at guard. Jared Allen beat Mike Adams with ease for a sack on the following play. On third and long, Brown was able to once again take a short pass for a bigger gain, this time for the first down.

After buying time, Roethlisberger scrambled and found Brown open for 15 yards to the 44.  A high pass to Sanders resulted in only four yards because the receiver had to adjust to the ball, which resulted in him going to the ground. Roethlisberger unnecessarily took a sack on the following play after not seeing anything he liked when he could have thrown the ball away to set up third and 12. Heath Miller bailed the Steelers out with a big catch down the field, however, and an unnecessary roughness penalty on safety Harrison Smith gave the Steelers the ball at the 15.

Right back to Miller, the Steelers picked up seven yards on first down. Antonio Brown seemed to have converted the first down to set up first and goal at the six, but the officials marked him just short. Bell was able to convert the third and short, however. On first and goal, Bell gained two yards. Heath Miller was lined up far right on second down, and it came to him, but the ball was well over his head. Jerricho Cotchery entered the game on third down, but Jared Allen once again sacked Roethlisberger after nothing was open. Shaun Suisham made it 17-10.

On the plus side, the offense held the ball for over nine minutes, allowing the defense to rest after giving up two long touchdowns. But Patterson had a good return after the score out to the 33. LaMarr Woodley stripped Cassel on third down, but the Vikings recovered it for a first down instead.

After the two-minute warning, Cassel found his receiver down the field to get into field goal range. A good tackle by William Gay stopped a third down pass from converting to a new set of downs, and the Steelers called a timeout in order to have a chance to score again before halftime. In the meantime, the second field goal by Walsh brought the lead to 20-10.

The Steelers went to the ground on first the play, and Bell got free for a first down, but the Steelers did not use a timeout. Another quick run and they allowed the clock to run out. It seemed rather pointless not to at least attempt a long pass in that situation. The Steelers trail by 10 entering the second half.

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  • Jay Jaber

    Our d is shit

  • psteelers

    Wow, defense is scared to tackle this guy

  • chris ward

    Defense is getting dominated. Too many missed tackles and give up big plays.

  • Mkeller

    Just can’t put it all together. Offense is finally scoring and defense decides to tank it. The hole thing is a head scratcher. I guess a desperate Viking is better than a desperate Steeler. They have to stop falling behind early in games.

  • psteelers

    I guess all of those folks screaming for big snack to be release is finally seeing what he meant to the defense.

  • awlcohen

    maybe this will prove to those still in denial that the defense and Lebeau are a major issue.

  • Mkeller

    He wasn’t released his contract expired. And until today the run D has been solid. It’s the ILBs that aren’t coming up and making the stop.

  • psteelers

    Right on cue big doofus turn it over

  • Mkeller

    That’s on sanders. What r u up to today? Keeping ur moms basement company?

  • psteelers

    Same difference we didn’t resign him. Run defense was below average coming into the game today

  • psteelers

    Watching big doofus do as he normally do, be outdueled by other bum qb’s.

  • sean mcmartin

    Berger again with the crucial pick..he needs to sit,,let him come back when they get a real NFL O-line.I was thinking a silver lining was a top 5 pick, but they with their ability to pick O-line talent, might as well trade the pick for a proven NFL tackle.

  • RW

    Aside from all of the obvious problems with the defense and Ben, MIKE ADAMS IS TERRIBLE.

  • Mike Sweeney

    This team is so undisciplined!!!!!! Would the Tomlin, get Adams out of there please and Manny, with his tantrums.

  • psteelers

    Bad thing about it, it’s too late to trade big doofus. He’s been exposed. maybe we can get 2nd and 3rd from the raiders. Im sure the Browns are find with Hoyer after seeing big doofus lately.

  • Mkeller

    He’d be on the bench if beachum wasn’t playing left guard right now. He’s atrocious.

  • sean mcmartin

    Its true,,Even Cowher got laughed by his co-workers when he said the Steelers have some small problems with their O-line..
    To all the blind faithful fans,,rooting and caring is not the same as not knowing what good NFL play is supposed to be. These guys are not good enough to be in the NFL with the worst O-line in the league.

  • sean mcmartin

    He played good until the 3rd sack, then you see his composure fade..I don’t blame him..How often do you see manning or brady getting hit every snap.

  • RW

    If I were behind this O-line I’d take a knee every play.

  • RW

    Is Manny Sanders ever not going to act like a 2 year old after a play?

  • psteelers

    They get rid of the ball, anticipation throws. Ben isn’t capable of doing that

  • Mkeller

    Big Doofus keeping them in it!!!!!!!!!

  • psteelers

    Oh the drama queen.lol he hit the guy hand

  • Mkeller

    Don’t you guys just love Big Ben? He is the man!!!!!!!!

  • Mike Sweeney

    he’s a disaster

  • Mkeller

    I love him. Best player in steelers history. Hope he’s ok. Man he’s tough.

  • Don

    If Cortez Allen won’t get closer than 15 yards off the WR, he can’t whiff on the tackle every time, too.

  • Reader783

    Over under 4.5 more quarters until we get a turnover

  • Mike Sweeney

    is the DL besides Keisel, playing?

  • Don

    Saw that the Giants have turned it over 15 times this year. For a second I wondered what might happen if that offense mixed it up with the Steelers D. Then I realized the obvious…no turnovers.

  • Mkeller

    Vikings going for it. I’d do the same.

  • Mkeller

    Drawing them off only.

  • Don

    They’ve forgotten how to cover kicks, too.

  • Mkeller

    I can’t believe Ben married some local chick. He should only have been allowed to marry royalty.

  • sean mcmartin

    you mean the 1st rounders? what a joke..hood is a bust for a 1st rounder..the big decline began when Arron Smith left..

  • Mike Sweeney

    exactly

  • psteelers

    Another pick by big doofus and he’ll walk off the field shaking his hand as it that’s why he threw it. At the post game conference he’ll have a bucket of ice at his locker.

  • Mkeller

    Yes!!!! Big Awesomeness back on the field!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Don

    On Twitter: “Lane Kiffin & Josh Freeman think Mike Adams is having a bad day.”

    Later: “Mike Adams thinks Cortez Allen is having a bad day.”

  • Mkeller

    Thank God Big Awesome is out there though. He looked great on that timing throw to Cotchery!!!!!

  • Mkeller

    Great throw to Heath!

  • psteelers

    Smartest throw in 5 years

  • Don

    Dude, by no stretch of the imagination am I happy with how things are going down right now, but you’re being a little ridiculous. Just get it over with and switch allegiances to the Browns. Bask in the greatness of Brian Hoyer and make your life a little less stressful.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    That would be funnier if it didn’t sting so bad.

  • Mkeller

    Agreed. Awesome play.

  • psteelers

    Ah man RIP LC Greenwood.

  • RW

    Over.

  • psteelers

    How do you play press coverage and don’t put your hand on the receivers. We are the only team in the league that still does that.

  • sean mcmartin

    0-4…Time to get ANY average FA to replace Adams..There has to be some guys hungry to play and juiced up..

  • Mkeller

    You replying to PS Steeler or me? I’m busting his balls because he’s such an unlikable jag off. I assumed it was obvious as I’m laying it on pretty thick.

  • Don

    psteelers, not you.

  • Mkeller

    Here comes Big Awesome!!!!!!!!!

  • Mkeller

    Wow!!!!!!! PS Steeler must be soiling his momma’s couch!!!!

  • Mkeller

    Is mike Adams slow witted? Might wanna block Jared.

  • sean mcmartin

    SEASON OVER>>>>

  • Mkeller

    U prick Ben. You just made one persons day and ruined the day of millions.

  • Henry

    Our fumbling QB has to tuck that ball. He is stupid.

  • psteelers

    Right on cue. The guy is mentally challenged. Lol

  • Mike Sweeney

    way to secure the ball Benny, again!!!!!!!!!

  • Don

    Can’t take the sack there. We were screwed even if he doesn’t fumble.

  • Mkeller

    How about he throws it away as a sack ends the game anyway. Live to play another down.

  • Don

    Umm….how ’bout them Bucs, huh?

  • sean mcmartin

    have to throw it out there for some bashing..4-0 chiefs without haley 0-4 Steelers with haley.

  • Gene Parmesan

    Too bad Moye was inactive, could have tried a quick fade at the end.

  • Mkeller

    Get rid of it. Whatever they drew up wasn’t there. Throw it in the stands and give the next play a chance. He screwed his entire team out of an opportunity on the next play because his awareness is lacking. Too old to make that kind of mistake.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Haley called a very good game today. He was not the reason they lost.

  • RW

    I want so badly to scream fire Haley… but I won’t…

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Yeah, they need to be using him.

  • Don

    Nothing left except to root against the Ravens.

  • Gene Parmesan

    it worked perfectly against Cinci, why not try it again!?

  • Mkeller

    The defense was.

  • sean mcmartin

    Moye would have been a great option. Used to be getting the ball to Ben in that situation,Was the win…

  • RW

    Or watch college football and hope we get a sure-fire draft pick. At least they looked better today.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    That and Ben. He is giving the ball away 2.5 times a game. That can’t continue.

  • Gene Parmesan

    I think Ben is shell shocked from being hit so many times…

  • Gene Parmesan

    I’d include Adams

  • Mkeller

    Bad play on the fumble. Sanders quit the route on the pick. They’re just a bad team. Something fails every week. This week it was the defense. The good news as they have no shortage of ways to lose games.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    That pass never should have been thrown on the pick.

  • Gene Parmesan

    And to think that the special teams hasn’t even cost us a game yet…

  • Curtis

    That’s his own fault plenty time to check down. You heard what Cower said during half time.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Ben is playing bad. He was before he started getting hit and a lot of the hits are on him. The OL sucks, but lets give credit where it is due.

  • Gene Parmesan

    he hasn’t been the same since coming back from the rib injury. I think we’re 1-7 in his last 8 starts

  • Don

    Yeah. It seems there’s always a handful of easily correctable mistakes, but every week there’s more.

  • Curtis

    Dude you are really ate up. You mean to say that Haley took his eyes off Brown and completely missed him for a pick that was eventually scored on?

  • GunsDontKillWoodleyKills

    Tomlin + Colbert = Failure….+ Ben = CHOKE

  • Mkeller

    I don’t know, maybe. He completed a lot of passes in tight coverage today as you have to in the NFL. I’m actually in no mood to defend Ben and that sack fumble was atrocious. But 27 pts should be enough to get you a win against that team with Matt Cassel at QB.

  • Mkeller

    Sadly that’s what bad teams do. Gut wrenching.

  • Curtis

    Somebody please teach Mike Adams how to block so he wont get abused AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

  • sean mcmartin

    But The Steeler way doesn’t hold Ben or Tomlin accountable,,So now what

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    No doubt, the defense has let us down in a big way. And not just the TOs. I was only addressing the offensive side of the ball. On Defense, we have a whole separate set of messes.

  • Curtis

    1 game behind the ravens and 2 behind both the browns and bangles, so were not completely out of it just yet but don’t look good.

  • Mkeller

    There’s nothing to change. That was they’re best assembly of players. Here’s the scary part. What could they possibly do to improve the situation next year? Over the cap and devoid of talent in key spots. This could take 3 yrs. I believe it will take at least that long. At that point they’ll be on to a new QB and who knows how that will go. It’s bad….real bad.

  • CrazyTerry

    Adams has to be the worst LT to ever play for the Steelers. Not even J Scott was this awful. On almost everyy play, Adams fails to bloclk

  • CrazyTerry

    Haley actually is calling better games. problem is our D is going in reverse. Our D was bad in Chicago(gave up points at almost every crucial juncture) and were worse today.

  • Mkeller

    They can’t WIN A GAME!!!!! It’s completely over. That team they lost to was 0-3 and lost at home to the Browns last week!!!!!

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Yep. He called a good game today. Turnovers, Sacks and defense were the issue today.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Only one team has every made the playoffs after going 0-4. And we don’t look good enough to sniff a win any time soon.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Yeah. Most teams would be looking at coaching staff changes over the bye, but we are more stable than that, for better or worse. There aren’t a lot of personnel changes to make other than seeing what we have with the rooks, but they have already been getting playing time.

  • Busforever

    Same as last week.

  • sean mcmartin

    My vote is to re-name “The Standard” To “The Sub-Standard”

  • Mike.H

    When the inactive’s list was announced before kick off, I knew Moye being 6’5″ might’ve had an opportunity to WIN OR TIE the game.

    WTF…? Yep, we need a priest to get rid of this “thing”. That or better players.

  • Curtis

    JETS RAVENS RADIERS NEXT 3 GAMES AFTER BYE THEY ALL ARE NOT LOOKING THAT HOT EITHER. THE THING IS OUR OFFENSIVE IS SLOWLY LOOKING BETTER EACH WEEK MORE POINTS ON THE BOARD. ON THE OTHER HAND LOOK AT RAVENS THERE LOOK LIKE THERE GOING BACKWARDS. THE JETS ARE THE JETS, AND RADIERS YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT EACH WEEK. JUST SAYING

  • Curtis

    IF I DO REMEMBER TOMLIN DIDNT HOLD THE BALL TO LONG AND TOOK A SACK SO WHY ARE YOU BLAMING HIM.

  • Mkeller

    “Just saying”. The team they just lost to was 0-3 and lost at home the browns last week and were starting their backup QB. Life is a lot easier to live once the reality of you circumstances have been acknowledged.

  • Curtis

    WHAT YOU THINK THEY SHOULD DO SIT THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR QB? WASTE OF MONEY DONT YOU THINK? NOW IF AND WHEN WERE OUT PLAYOFF CONTINTIONS AND YOU WANT TO SIT HIM THEN I’LL 1/2 WAY AGREE WITH YOU BUT TO EARLY IN THE SEASON.

  • Mkeller

    He’s awful. Couldn’t even get his hands on Allen. Looked intentional at times it was so bad.

  • CrazyTerry

    The offense looked much improved in every aspect. But Ben, as great as he was for most of the game, has to find a way to win a shootout more than once in his career. I understand he was hampered greatly by the worst LT in steeelrs history – MikeAdams. But he did get a chance at the end and he didnt throw it away. Also he shouldnt hav spiked with 22 seconds left. Get a play off by the 15 second mark and you can use allo 4 downs.

    Haley has improved. The Wrs are improved. Bell is an upgrade. The only thing stopping the steelers is the LT. Trade for a backup LT and even he would be an improvmenet.Make Beachum the LT and make Adams the backup tackle.

    I dont think J scott ever had such a bad game and he was awful

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Inside voice…

    For all practical purposes, we ARE out of the playoff race. This isn’t a team that can win many games the way they are playing.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    I don’t know if we are going with a left tackle if we have a top 3, or 5 pick. I’ll tell you this much- IF we land a top 5 pick WITH Big Ben and a stellar defense our FO are goingto look into financial situation and decide on whether to keep big ben or let him go. Its all come down to business.

    I just… HOPE we don’t ever come down to this Steelers are just that good to be in top 5 (among worst 5 teams)

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Our offense is getting better, yes. The problem with our offense? The OL, of course, but also Ben. Ben is having his worst season as a starter when it counts.

    More importantly, the defense looks worse every week. Allen played poorly, the LBs player poorly. McClendon is not clogging the middle lanes. This team needs A LOT of work.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Tomlin has been terrible at choosing inactives.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    My vote is to ban it outright. It’s a worse Tomlinism than “unleash hell”

  • Curtis

    I KNOW WHAT YOU SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR SAYING THAT, BUT CINCY IS NOW 2-2 BEARS ARE 3-1 THE TITANS ARE 2-1. JUST LIKE US THE VIKINGS SHOULD OF BEEN 3-0 COMING INTO THE GAME TODAY. THEIR BACKUP QB ISNT SOME BUM OFF THE STREETS REMEMBER HE DID GO 11-5 WHILE PLAYING FOR NEW ENGLAND. SO WHILE YOU FEEL THAT WAY I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. BY THE WAY THE BROWNS ARE NOT AS OF A BAD TEAM AS WHAT PEOPLE MAKE THEM OUT TO BE. THEY DID JUST BEAT CINCY AND WAS NEVER BEHIND IN THE GAME. BUT THEN AGAIN THEY DIDNT TURNOVER THE BALL WHICH SEEMS TO BE OUR MAJOR PROBEM.

  • Curtis

    BROWNS ARE 2-2

  • Don

    The most frustrating thing for me is the lack of takeaways. While tracking the scores of all the other games, it seemed there was a turnover every time I turned my head. I’m getting trolled by the NFL.

  • Mkeller

    And? You saying the Browns are a good football team? That’s how you’re going to validate your delusions?

  • Curtis

    WERE PLAYING SOFT ON THE RECEIVERS INSTEAD OF CHECKING THEM AT THE LINE. THATS WHAT IS HURTING OUR D IT ALLOWS THE QB TO GET THE BALL OUT OF HIS HANDS REALLY QUICK SO WE CANT GET PRESSURE ON THE QB. WHEN THE QB DOES GET THE QUICK OUT TO THE RECEIVERS AND WERE PLAYING BACK WE HAVE TO OVER PERSUE THE RECEIVER AND HE MAKES A MOVE WE MISS A TACKLE LIKE ALLEN THEN HES GONE. YOU SEEN CASSELL DO IT TODAY ALONG WITH CUTLER AND EVERY QB THAT WE PLAYED AND WILL BE PLAYING. WE GOT TO FIX THAT AND I THINK WE WILL BE FINE ON THE D SIDE OF THE BALL.

  • Mike.H

    Stop playing the what-if senario, Steelers fans. We most likely would’ve lost in OT had we gotten the TD to tie it — try for 2 pts, perhaps?

  • Curtis

    WHATS CRAZY IS WHEN WE HAVE A CHANCE FOR THE TAKEAWAY WITH 4 DEFENDERS THE BALL BOUNCES RIGHT TO THEIR RECEIVER. HOW CRAZY IS THAT AND WHAT MAKES IT WORSE IT WAS A FIRST DOWN WHEN WE NEEDED A STOP.

  • Mkeller

    You have to beat the teams that are on your schedule. That’s how it works. One of each of those teams wins is against the steelers. When people talk about those teams they say “we’ll they only beat the steelers”. It’s the NFL…you have to beat the other team regardless of their record. That’s a useless way to evaluate it.

  • Mkeller

    Oh….and Cassel got benched for Brady Quinn last year then released by his team at seasons end. Feel free to set some standards for them. You’re allowed.

  • Mkeller

    Is that not a what-if scenario?

  • Curtis

    THEY HAVE A BETTER RECORD THAN US AND THEY BEAT 2 TEAMS WE LOST TO.
    BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID WE SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT WITH TURNOVERS IN BOTH GAMES THAT TURNED INTO SCORES BY THE OTHER TEAM. SO TAKE IT HOW YOU WANT OR SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

  • Mkeller

    Yep. It is 0-4 and about to get worse.

  • Curtis

    I AGREE WITH THAT BUT YOU WILL NEVER WIN A GAME TURNING THE BALL OVER AT THE RATE WE DO AND I DONT CARE WHO THE QB IS, IF YOU TURN THE BALL OVER THE CHANCES OF WINNING IS SLIM TO NONE “CASE IN POINT WERE 0-4 AND VIKINGS ARE 1-3 BECAUSE OF TURNOVERS AND THE BROWNS, BEARS, TITANS ECT. ARE ABOVE .500 BECAUSE THEY TAKE CARE OF THE BALL. LOOK AT STATS AND IT ALL PROVES POINTS.

  • Curtis

    I DISAGREE, BUT THEN IM OPTAMISTIC

  • Mkeller

    Ben has to play. Gradkowski is terrible and Landry Jones looks destined for the broadcast booth.

  • Mkeller

    You only change coach’s to appease the masses. It won’t fix any of the things ailing the steelers.

  • Jeff S

    Mike Adams in NOT a starting NFL tackle. No matter what anyone says since Tomlin got here the talent on this team has gone steadily downhill. Time for KC to stop giving him so much input into the draft because this offensive line needs to be fixed and our D needs some play makers. With the top 5 pick we will now own come April we should be able to find a solid LT and hopefully get some type of a play maker with our early 2nd, and then we can sit back and watch the Brownies use that high 3rd round pick to draft a solid player.

  • Curtis

    BY THE WAY THE CHIEFS WERE IN THE WHOLE TRANSITION THING THATS WHY THEY GOT RID OF HIM AND IF IM NOT MISTAKEN THEY ALSO GOT A REALLY GOOD DEAL FOR HIM. REMEMBER ITS A BUSINESS. JUST LOOK WHAT THE BROWNS ARE DOING TRYING TO STOCKPILE DRAFTS BY GETTING RID OF RICHARDSON. WOULDNT OF GIVE A #1 FOR HIM MAY A 2 & 5 BUT NOT A # 1. AND ALSO SHOPPING THE BEST RECEIVERS FOR MORE DRAFTS PICKS. TRYING TO BE LIKE NEW ENGLAND AND BELECHEAT. I LIVE IN INDIANA AND I ARGUE WITH THE COLTS FANS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE TRADE AND THEY ALL LOVE IT. THEY THINK HES THE NEXT RAY RICE OR MARICE JONES DREW. I GUESS ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

  • Don

    Yeah, Cowher went through some bad years, too. I don’t think it solves anything to start axing the coaching staff. We have to take our lumps in the short-term and get better through the draft.

  • Curtis

    AGREED

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I only agree with that as far as head coaches and coordinators. I think the need to take a long hard look at Bicknell and a few others.

    The idea thst there is nothing to change is both ridiculous and the definition of insanity. There are plenty of places to look for change.

  • Mkeller

    Oh yeah they can make changes. I’m saying the changes won’t matter. You are among the masses and you would be appeased. A new O line coach won’t change shit. That sentiment is both insane and ridiculous. 0-4 and you have laned on the conclusion that the position coaches are to blame. Interesting but I’ll go ahead and stick with my “they don’t have enough talent” theory.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    “You are among the masses and you would be appeased.”

    Don’t make assumptions you know nothing about. Don’t assume you know my opinions based on a few sentences and then tell me what that is, because you are dead wrong.

    First, I did not say they need to change position coaches, as I am fully aware of how little that would accomplish mid season. I am no fool. I said they need to take a long hard look at his performance, meaning determine what is going wrong, why he is not getting much out of the OL, and what they can do to fix it with an eye to whether to retain him next season. The same applies for more than one player. This is what all teams do during their bye, just to a greater extent when that team has a losing record.

    In the meantime, they need to find out just what they have in some of the younger guys like Heyward, Wheaton, Thomas, Golden, Brown, etc. Maybe they can take a look at Heyward or even Fangupo at NT, as McClendon has not been getting it done against the run. Not scrap the season or anything dumb like that, but try out some different looks. Again, a common activity for the bye weeks.

    My point is your “why change anything, it won’t matter since they have no talent” is both defeatist and expecting difference results from the same action. Particularly on offense, where they have the skills players, they just aren’t executing.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    For what it’s worth, since you missed it initially:

    “MOST teams would be looking at coaching staff changes over the bye, but WE ARE MORE STABLE THAN THAT…”

    Implies that I do not think that we would make any change. It was to speak to the seriousness of our situation, nothing mote.

    And “…for better or worse” was meant to avoid asinine arguments like this by leaving the judgment of which is preferable up the the reader. We clearly know where you stand now, but you just as clearly misunderstood where I stand.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    My original statement was never to ax anyone on the coaching staff. He just assumed that.

  • Mike Carroll

    Great point. He gives up on at least one play per week which is enough reason to not sign him at the end of the year. It’s not like he’s that talented that you would be willing to put up with his crap.

  • Mike Carroll

    Defense absolutely stunk today.

  • Mike Carroll

    Which year?

  • Don

    I will give him props for his downfield blocking on the long catch and run by Cotchery. But this kind of stuff has to end. Brown, too. How many times do we have to see the two of them vamping it up on a 1st down catch when they’re down by 20? His reaction after the interception today was embarrassing.

  • Dan

    As of today, we’d have the #1 overall pick. The other three 0-4 teams have a “better” strength of schedule to this date.

  • Dan

    Actually I thought Ben did an admiral job considering that we had a lamp post play left tackle. Ben might have done better to just dump the ball at times but it must be quite a challenge to concentrate on finding receivers when there’s always somebody chasing you from behind.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Yeah.. no, I’m just mostly wary of drafting a left tackle. You saw our O-line, we drafted high for all of them and how’s that worked out? I do not want a rookie 1st round O-lineman especially when its either our scouting/coaching part sucks.

    Bring in a veteran left tackle, draft the best playmaker available.

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