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Steelers Versus Vikings Winners And Losers – Week 4


The Pittsburgh Steelers lost 34-27-Sunday to the Minnesota Vikings and below is my list of winners and losers from the game. Feel free to add your own in the comments below.

Winners:

Antonio Brown – Brown continues to make plays and his 32 receptions for 412 yards currently has him in top four of the league in both of those categories.

Heath Miller – Miller caught six passes for 70 yards in just his second game back and was only off the field for four plays total. He also had a key block on the first touchdown run by Le’Veon Bell.

Le’Veon Bell – Bell not only made his NFL regular-season debut on Sunday, he also had two rushing touchdowns and registered 84 total yards of offense in the loss. Bell showed us that quick jump step of his as well as his ability to get yards after contact.

David DeCastro – DeCastro is obviously the best offensive lineman the Steelers have right now and outside of a hurry and two run block fails that I noted, he really had a solid game.

 Losers:

Mike Adams – Vikings defensive end Jared Allen should have probably charged Adams for rides Sunday. Adams allowed three sacks and several pressures in the game and he still struggles with stunts and slants.

Cortez Allen – In his first game back from injury, Allen forgot to pack his tackling skills for the trip to London. The cornerback missed three tackles in the game and the first resulted in a 70-yard touchdown by Greg Jennings. Allen also gave up another touchdown to Jennings later in the game.

Vince Williams – The rookie played 43 snaps and while he did register five total tackles, he missed three more and struggled mightily at filling gaps against the run.

Ziggy Hood – Hood was a non factor against the run Sunday in nearly 40 snaps of playing time.

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  • Eric

    Additional losers are Steeler fans, Tomlin, the entire defense, and Gilbert, with honorable mention to the invisible Sanders and over pursuing Vince WIlliams

  • Callentown

    Starting to get the feeling this team is going to look a LOT different again NEXT season.

    Here’s how I see it:

    Coaches gone – Haley and LeBeau (defensive style simply cannot get sacks or turnovers any longer, and he’s 76 years old).

    Players gone – Hood, E. Sanders, R. Clark, Whoever is playing left tackle (to right side), Keisel (retire), Redman, Dwyer, F. Jones.

    Unfortunately, it appears this ‘transition’ may take a couple of years.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    Winner: Jerricho Cotchery – 100+ yards receiving and a TD. Still proving to be a clutch and reliable receiver.

    Loser: Troy – Whiffed on tackles. Plus, on the goal line stand to try stopping AP’s second TD, Troy tried to get WAY too clever by slipping into the backfield. He may as well have held the door open for Peterson to run north and south.

    Caught My Eye: Wheaton – While he missed one grab he should have made, he also made a leaping catch just over his head WITH HIS HANDS. Further telling why I anticipate liking this MW more than the last one.

  • Callentown

    Good call on Cotchery!

  • Kenneth Wilt

    Well, I must stay positive. At least we’ll get a great draft pick for a change. When was the last time we picked top 5? Seriously….

  • Kenneth Wilt

    I think I can answer my own question. As far as I can tell, since the hiring of Chuck Noll, the only 2 times the Steelers drafted top 5 were 1969 and 1970. Joe Greene and Terry Bradshaw.

  • steeltown

    DeCastro is coming on strong, good to see we have some talent on the OLine and that jump step of Bell’s is pretty nifty, its still early but he looks to be the real deal. Cotchery continues to show he’s still a good WR, not the fastest guy but he still has something left in the tank. Once again Sanders did just enough to not make either of the above lists, he looks like a #3 WR to me. Nice to see Wheaton get involved some and Heath is looking more and more like his old self.
    This Team is frustrating, now our Offense is coming around but the Defense is struggling. In the end though the turnover ratio is killing us, we turn the ball over 2-3 times a game on avg and we never create any turnovers on Defense

  • TheBlitz

    Yes entire D should be in the looser category. It’s becoming a trend and very frustrating that second and third string QB look like pro-bowlers and all-pros against this D!

  • chris ward

    Steelers don’t have a true LT on their roster. Mike Adams is a RT if anything. Steelers did not do a good job addressing the offensive line in free agency or through the draft. IMO I think Landry Jones was a wasted pick in the 4th round and the Steelers could of least drafted a quality depth offensive lineman instead. Steelers are going to have to wait to the draft to get a legit LT.

  • Showboogie

    Mesko 4 punts 35.8 avg.. He also shank one that went only 30 yards that resulted in a TD the following series. Clark looks old too many bad angles bites on play fakes to often. Now Adams all I can do is smh. This gotta be the softest tackle in the game playing now.. If I’m seeing his play on the tv, how is the coach staff not recognizing this. There’s no way you should be that big an getting push around like that and do nothing about..You can teach skils & technique but can’t coach a player without heart.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Valesco has made Pouncey expendable…I think Colbert needs to use that money to get a legit LT…by any means necessary…I really don’t think Gilbert is a LT either but switching at this point is not a bad idea.

    Bell, yes it’s only one game, looks like he may have committed to getting in the pattern a bit soon on a couple of blitz pickups but as a runner…I see the burst, quickness, and patience to set up blocks that good RBs all seem to have.

  • Luke Shabro

    If the offense (short of the O line) continues to get better, I believe Haley stays. Bicknell Jr. will be gone. I think LeBeau retires, Keith Butler takes over.
    Players, I think you’re fairly spot on.

  • Fritz Baughman

    The Ziggy Hood experiment is over – and another wasted 1st rounder. Dude is in his 5th season (believe it) and should not be a part of this defense next year. As for Adams? This is what we get with a second round pick? What the heck did they see in this kid at Ohio State? Someone needs to be held accountable for this pathetic drafting. Heck, our entire 2008 draft was a complete wash for crying out loud. Either our scouting department is awful, or Tomlin has absolutely no idea how to rate talent. Colbert did just fine with Cowher, so you can’t tell me all these drafts since 2007 are all on him. I think Tomlin has more on this that people realize. He’s about as good as seeing NFL talent as he is at clock management. Prove us wrong, Mike. Please.

  • Jeff

    I have to agree with you that Landry Jones was a wasted pick. 4th round is still pretty valuable, and we used that on a “possible” 3rd string quarterback… There’s no reason that we couldn’t of just picked up an additional quarterback in free agency.

  • rizzo29

    Ben hopefully has a few years left in him,so they need to draft a legitimate replacement for him,these stiffs they have now won’t cut it

  • Jeff

    hahaha, with our luck, we won’t…. We’ll break off a nice winning streak by season’s end when things don’t matter and we’ll still miss the playoffs…..

  • Jeff

    Well, this may be premature, but based off his first game of action, the steelers did nail the decision to draft Bell in the 2nd round. He was patient with what blocking he had, and someone had noted yesterday that he did not have a single run with negative yardage. That may sound silly, but Steelers running backs have specialized at that over the last 2 years. Bell was great on a few of those screens, and on that one run in the 3rd or 4th quarter he absolutely obliterated that vikings corner. One other thing I noted in the 2nd half was a block that Bell had in the shotgun. The vikings MLB was on a blitz up the middle, and Bell stopped him in his tracks. I liked what I saw from the young kid.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Agree, in matter of fact I would be more in favor of this: LT-new FA signing LG- Marcus Gilbert. OC-Maurkice Pouncey/Velaso (depends on pending of contract issue) RG- David DeCastro. RT- Mike Adams.

    If you ask me, I actually am in favor of letting Maurkice Pouncey go and keep Velaso, in order to sign a true FA left tackle. It all come down to finances.

  • Fritz Baughman

    Bell is the real deal – and the Steelers were desperately overdue for a draft day home run.

  • rizzo29

    I do believe they had taken him off their draft board,(arrested for pot) He personal called them and pleaded for them to reconsider and if they drafted him he would’t let them down. I guess Adams talks a good game nothing else

  • Fritz Baughman

    You’re absolutely correct. In fact, his marijuana usage is what dropped him out of the 1st round. Imagine that – Mike Adams a 1st rounder. You could find a 6’7 teddy bear with more talent.

  • Everything Steelers

    Would have been nice to see Moye on the fadeaway at the end of the game…I forget who they tried it to, but it didnt work…Lets say they get to the 2-6 area…it would be time to start playing some of these guys when you know Clark, Sanders, Keisel and others wont be there…Play Heyward just to see if hes worth keeping on the team for next year…almost make it tryouts for next year to see if anybody is worth keeping..look at the Heyward draft, Heyward, Gilbert, Curtis Brown and Cortez Allen…ouch

  • cencalsteeler

    I’m going out on a limb here. I would add Haley to the winners list. For all the bashing he has received, I think he called a pretty good game yesterday.
    I would also add Ryan Clark to the losers list. And the special teams is making a statement for themselves to be added to the losers list as well.

  • Mike Carroll

    Great list Dave. Agree on all players.

  • Jeff

    Ryan Clark arguably could be on the Losers list for every game this season…. Didn’t think he’d decline this quickly

  • Jeff

    For all of you chirping that we should move Adams to right tackle, let’s not forget last year when he made Paul Kruger look like an all-pro over on that side. If this guy wants a job, he better start taking things more seriously.
    I know Starks looked bad in the preseason as a Charger, but as a fan I’m starting to welcome the idea of a possible comeback. I hope Adams proves me wrong, but I just don’t see it. You still see this guy out in the south side on friday/saturday nights, which is why I won’t give him the benefit of the doubt. Time to grow up.

  • Mike.H

    When drafted, many felt Mike Adams was first round TALENT who fell to second due to “issues”. [ clears throat ]… you fill in the blanks, sir.

    An athlete with basketball player body frame who has lead foot — amazing, go figure.

  • RW

    Sanders looks like a #4 on this team, behind Wheaton and Cothcery.

  • Mike.H

    It’s too bad with the 0-4 start, perhaps get past the first six games, this team will be above mediocre and could compete due to the theory of — ANY GIVEN SUNDAY.

    [ Sunday, not Sundae, sprinkles extra ]

  • RW

    Only think I disagree on is Gilbert. Let him ride the bench as a backup and bring in a true guard from FA. Draft a true LT (unless someone obvious is available in FA). Is this Pouncey’s contract year? If not, trade him for something valuable. He’s not worth whatever money we give him.

  • RW

    Sign me up for the Teddy Bear! NY Jets here we come!

  • RW

    Put Sanders on the practice squad or trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder. Send a message to the entire team that no one’s job is safe.

  • RW

    Glad they didn’t renegotiate his contract this offseason.

  • Mike Carroll

    I definitely agree. Bell’s play was very encouraging and easily the biggest positive to be taken out of yesterday. It’s still very early, but he looks big, reasonably quick/fast, and athletic which is great to see in a young Steeler player because young athletes are flooding the NFL with great play right now.

  • Mike.H

    Aging starters,
    Missed tackles,
    Promising rookies who are a season or two to right this ship,
    Poor drafting on OL…
    Poor coaching…
    — [ wait till next year]

  • Mike.H

    Silverlining: in 4 games, we weren’t blown out… we weren’t exciting to watch, perhaps 3-4 plays from changing the outcome.

  • Steeler Wheeler

    I don’t know why the NFL thinks the LT has to be 6-7 (or that 3rd down backs should be smaller than my 12 year old). Those oafs suck in pass pro and can’t get out on the edge. I’m on the ‘Pouncey for LT’ campaign.

  • TheBlitz

    How did you feel when the Steelers drafted Mike Adams ? Forget the marijuana incident and focus purely on the talent.

    Because a LOT of people that are now bashing the Steelers for drafting Adams were the same fans who were praising the front office and doing cartwheels when he felt in our laps with Decastro.

  • T R

    Sanders is not eligible for practice squad

  • Mike Carroll

    So glad the FO did not extend anyone during training camp.

  • r4kolb

    This aint horseshoes friend…..LOL

  • r4kolb

    Starks is no longer available.

  • Mike Carroll

    I believe the Steelers are the only NFL team to win at least 5 games every year since the merger in 1970.

  • kev4heels

    Losers from this game – the fans for having to put up with this crap on the field.

  • r4kolb

    Agree they need to find a way to get Moye on the field. I’m for trading Sanders for whatever we can get. Should have let the Pats take him for a 3rd.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Few problems you got right there. Marcus Gilbert has been our second best O-lineman behind DeCastro. Two players on our O-line is playing in wrong positions and one truly belongs on the bench and his name is Ramon Foster.

    One notion I have in mind- trade Maurkice Pouncey to Jaguars NOW for Eugene Monroe. Why? Save us money and this way we get a true contribution/plug-in at LT and Pouncey get to play for his hometown where Jags want to move on with Luke Joeckel.

    Gimme a true veteran presence at LT anyday over a pro-bowler center. Browns will tell you this much.

  • RW

    Don’t know why I didn’t think about that. Thanks for pointing that out. Still – he’s wasting a roster spot if he’s not going to play special teams.

  • RW

    I just don’t know about GIlbert at LG. Agree Ramon is not the answer, but I don’t know that Gilbert is either. Either way I’m right there with you – gimme a true LT who can block over a pro-bowl center.

  • Mike Carroll

    I think you’re right. Haley is not the issue right now. I believe he’s had significant input on the last two offensive drafts with Bell being a major piece that is just being added to the puzzle right now. The offense has been improving every week and there is reason to believe they might be better off the bye week, with Bell and Heath being more fully integrated into the scheme.

  • Mike Carroll

    Into every fan’s life a little crap must fall.

  • John Hinton

    Zoltan Mesko as an adder to the Losers category

  • Eric

    I love the legend Lebeau, but he will be gone after this year (retirement) and replaced by LB coach Butler. We also need to put some serious blame on Colbert. Haley will not be gone next year as that is too much to change in one year. Gone will be some of the high salaries unless they take pay cuts. I am not sure which ones, but Woodley, Ike, Troy, & Clark are all candidates for replacement or a major contract restructuring. Do not forget that we need to clear about $22 million in cap space next year, before signing rookies and renewing expired contracts. Colbert is to blame for that mess, period.

  • Ahmad

    I can’t say I disagree with any of these choices. However I would add Jericho Cotchery to the winners list. He really showed off yesterday with 5 catches for 103 yards and a TD.

  • Eric

    Landry Jones was the most wasted pick ever. As an example, we could have had Jonathan Franklin whos pro debut was 103 yeards rushing. look at all of the draft picks after Jones and I am sure you will find more than a dozen players that ould have helped our team this year.

  • Bilgewater D

    What money would they have used to get a LT in Free Agency?

  • Eric

    Special teams played well against the Vikes and they lead the league in kickoff defense

  • chris ward

    Meant more through the draft. They could of got a quality offensive lineman in the 4th round. They could of picked up somebody in free agency better than Guy Whimper for depth purposes.

  • Fritz Baughman

    Decastro was one of the best OL prospects to come out in years. Adams was not. I’m not mad at the Steelers for drafting him – but I am mad at how a 2nd round pick can consistently look so awful without a shade of improvement whatsoever.

  • RW

    Most teams with franchise QBs go through something like the salary cap situation we have. Either that, or their talent is severely depleted as a result. Ben will have to start carrying the team.

  • Sdale

    I really think Clark is on the loser list. I’ve always appreciated him as a run stopper and I think he’s actually been undervalued as a pass coverage safety because he, like Ike, doesn’t seem to get picks…but this year, he’s just not getting it done in run support. He was awful in the Chicago and Vikes games and he just hasn’t looked good enough all year. I think it’s time to give Shark more chances. I know he’ll make mistakes, but I really think it’s an upgrade right now in a lot of situations.

  • Rob

    One thing no one has mentioned is Mike Tomlin’s failure to get the team over there early to get acclimated to the time difference. they went very close to the game day unlike the Vikings. The Vikings also hired a sleep expert to go over some things with the team and they appeared ready to play while the boys from the Burgh were sleep walking through everything.

    Tomlin is putting his mark on the team and his management of the clock in the game and during the relocation are worse than bad. He needs to be gone as well as a bunch of his draft picks that are still on the team.

    As to the offensive line a lot of these guys have very few games under their belts and they have been getting better slowly. We keep hearing comments about this guy is a rookie etc regarding linebacker Jones and some others we should also allow the line to try and get better as well.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Good point…considering DEs are getting shorter (Dumervil – under 6′, several around 6’2″ or so.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Agreed…the meek inherit the best draft help…I’ve already started looking at the top of the draft prospects…several OTs should go in the top 10, Clowney, depends on how ugly this ends up being, but I like the kid Watkins @ Clemson…a playmaker to put opposite Brown.

  • joed32

    Ever?

  • TheBlitz

    Fair enough. Then let’s direct the blame where it is due. Specifically at the coaches responsible for his development if you question his improvement as a LT

    If you followed all the draft pundits in 2012 this guy was a 1st round type talent before the drug incident. But we all know the draft is a crap shoot.

    As fans we now realized he may not have been as good as we thought he were. So let’s not blame the front office for drafting him as if they are the worse evaluators of talent.

  • John

    The Defense is the major problem now. On offense, the scheme is starting to look good like it did last year through the first half of the year. The problem is talent pure and simple. On offense, we have ONE actual NFL RB that can play major minutes (Bell) and he played his first game yesterday. We have one quality receiver, plus a rookie we hardly use, and two OK 3/4 receiver candidates. We need a real No. 2 receiver. The O-Line needs no mention. We are likely two players away there.
    On Defense, we need a new NT apparently. Start betting on that as the first pick in next year’s draft. The ROLB position is your major sack position on the team and has ZERO sacks that mean anything as far as I can see it. Williams at ILB does not know enough of what he is doing. Ryan Clark looks ancient and is out of position often. The corners are what they are.
    Basically, we are about five players away — with the threat of losing two or three productive guys due to age over the next year or so. Big rebuilding project.

  • joed32

    Correct on Haley and Clark, good post!

  • Eric

    Of course I will give Jones a chance. I am not mad at him for getting selected in the 4th round and gave up a thrird round pick, which is going to be a high one. I am made at the people who selected him. Unless he turns out to be Joe Montana, who was picked in the 3rd round, I will continue to be upset with this pick. Also, you are right about my misuse of the term “ever”

  • Virdin Barzey

    Dave got this list just about right. I’ll continue to say it over and over. The biggest issue on the offense is Adams and Gilbert. Along with them is the baker, Ben making turnovers. You fix two out of these three and we are minimum 2-2.

    As for the defense, well, it devoid of playmakers. Pola is it and Woodley second. I’ve never been a Timmons fan since nobody outside of the Burgh knows he exist. Has all the tools to be a dominant playmaker but we only see it once in a while. Strongly believe that’s why Jarvis is playing since they are hoping to have another playmaker on the field.

    At the end of the day, you can blame the offense, defense, coaches but when you fail to acquire talent that pans out to pro-bowls, playmakers and top talent there is one place that makes that happen. Does that absolve others from the blame? Nope. But make no mistake, we have had list of players that have not worked out at all over the past several years.

    Anyone dare to put that list together?

  • sean mcmartin

    I was thinking that would be positive too, Then i realized the pick would be from the same people who took adams, gilbert, ..might as well trade the pic for a proven NFL commodity, since the odds are the Steelers will whiff on the pick themselves.

  • cencalsteeler

    Eric- The Vikings had 5 kick returns for 144 yards and our punt team averaged 35 yards. In my book, that is not very good special teams.

  • sean mcmartin

    Oh no Tomlin never does a bad job and he is a great coach if you read the majority of these comments..
    Seven years and the guy still cant manage a game clock or motivate NFL players on MNFL.
    At this time Ben is right, They are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Lost all four preseason games and line play was horrible. The only reason I could give the coaching a pass , Is the O-line was practicing against the starting D-line and most teams look good against them. with such stalwarts as hood and heyward ..and without Kiesel next year they will be worse.
    They badly need anyone who can block to win a game this year.
    a good line will help big time..

  • Dan

    Multiple choice quiz. In their current conditions, who would make a better left tackle than Mike Adams against the Jets in two weeks:
    a) LaRod Stephens-Howling
    b) Jamain Stephens

    c) Former Senator Joseph Lieberman
    d) Justin Strzelczyk
    e) All of the above

  • sean mcmartin

    F. butterbean..

  • sean mcmartin

    The sad thing is they tried to convince the fans that they were putting something special on the field when in reality they were putting a bunch of backups in as starters.
    Ravens knew they had to dump talent and harblow gave his best WR to his brother’s team..wish Tomlin had a brother as a coach to give him top tier players..

  • ty simpson

    Fine job he has done thus far..

  • joed32

    Thanks for the reply, the draft is kind of a crap shoot 1st rounders sometimes turn out to be busts and late rounders end up in the hall of fame. I hope Jones at least turns out to be a long term serviceable backup.

  • treeher

    I’d like to see Sanders get demoted to #3. Aside from dissing the team in pre-season, he has caused more than one interception by either cutting off his route or faking out his QB, like in the most recent game. I like him after the catch, but the priority is good route running, catching the ball, and blocking.

  • Showboogie

    At this point Im ready to see what Cody Wallace can do or even Joe Long. Damn sure will be better than what Adams is doing out there….

  • JohnnyV1

    When we win one, and we will, can you please put “Steelers’ Fans” in the winners column that week, b/c this is just so painful to go through.

  • Arthur Branch

    Ben is part of the problem. He had Bell open in the flats every time he got sacked.

  • willie colon

    Mike Carroll, i think Luke is right also

  • willie colon

    speak the truth Jeff

  • HopalongCassidy

    Brian Arnfelt needs brought up from the practice squad. He showed good quickness and was able to get penetration when he played in the pre-season. I would replace Ziggy Hood who never seems to have any impact in a game. On offense. I’d play two tight ends just about all of the time and move Adams to the right side and Gilbert to the left until Foster is back. In the meantime, I’d be looking high and low for another tackle to bring in from God knows where. Maybe there is one in the Canadian League that doesn’t suck.

  • charles

    You have to take a chance on qb. Wilson made noones top 20 list of qb. It does seem that Landry may not work out but you gotta give it a shot.

  • Tom

    Might as well put Ike and Troy out to pasture too.

  • charles

    I thought it interesting that Ben said the offensive line has gotten better with signing the new center. The O is doing what it is suposed to do, namely get better as the season progresses. Watchout, Haley may be coach one day. Bell looks like a well thought out decision.
    The Steelers seem to spring a new leak each week. No doubt that Cortez was at least rusty and that was the difference in the ball game.
    Kudos to the Vikes for attacking successfully the D weak point. Woodley also did his fair share at being a game changer, for the Vikings that is. His mised tackle on Peterson also could have been pivotal.
    The clean uniform prize goes to Cassel of Minn. And Adams of the Steelers. Mike Adams is a dope (head) and must be removed!
    The defense has to get to the QB. That is the reason that we are not at least 2-2.
    This season is not lost by any means since we clearly can influence the division rivals won loss. But Dick LeBeau HAS to step up and find a way to get some dirt on the opposing QB. Or Tomlin HAS to step up and put Carnell Lake as DC. Hopefully before this season is lost….

  • Shea Fahr

    Williams is a rookie this week, not a loser. Cannot turn the ball over at crucial times which is what the QB did. Just have to protect the football period.

  • RW

    Wallace is a G/C. But I’d be willing to give Joe Long a shot.

  • RW

    I’d like to add:

    f) A broom.
    g) Casper the friendly ghost.
    h) My 90 year old grandmother.
    i) The fictional character Jack Bauer from 24.
    j) A piece of toast.

  • Steve

    Mike Adams was the BIGGEST wasted pick. Jerrod had a field day and half the time Adams didn’t lay a hand on him.

  • Steve

    Has any body mentioned about bringing Max Starks back? He is cheap and Ben was good friends with him. His blocking was much better then Mr. LOOKOUT (Adams).

  • Steve

    What were these people smoking when Adams was considered a 1st round pick?

  • Riverstko

    Adams was a question mark before the draft he even had off the field issues. We picked Adams 2nd Rd.after Decastro. I knew that was risky to go 1st and 2nd round oline. Bound for one to be a bust. Decastro is Solid.but at least move Adams to RT.

  • Riverstko

    I liked the Decastro pick I didnt like the Adams pick.Oline 1st and 2nd Dont Like. The media put the pressure on the GM that year. Ben needed protection, got rid of that protection, got new protection, still not working. Part of it could be ben holds the ball to long. Steelers been though about 20 olinemen since ben been qb.

  • Showboogie

    Your right about Wallace. Anybody but Adams he needs to go.

  • Riverstko

    Felix Jones need to learn how to kneel when kicked deep. Just start off at the 20.

  • Riverstko

    Never liked Lake as a player. He use to give up some big plays in the 90s. I rather have Rod Woodson as our DB coach and Russ Grimm as our OC. We were better when we played a basic power offense. Haleys offense is too complex.

  • sean mcmartin

    Pouncey needs to be coached up and he will be fine. he has the talent, the issue is coaching. You can see the team is not fired up to play and its most obvious with Ben. It pisses me off to see only a couple of vets showing intensity. The nasty d is gone.they have no passion to win at all costs..

  • alex

    to win in the NFL takes skill and a lot ‘o luck…every game, there is ONE key play that turns the tide, and means the difference between a win and a loss…

    we are 0-4 and there are more than 4 plays that have defined the season for us, but in the end, we have had some INSANE turnover the last few years that is difficult to recover from…

    AND still have some FAT contract players leftover without FAT performances…

    how many gut checks, how many 4th quarter flops?

    HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO ENDURE THE REST OF THE LEAGUE TAKING IT TO US?…SHOWING US UP IN OUR OWN SMASH MOUTH DEPARTMENT?

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Max Starks already are released from his third teams in less a year (I know we didn’t released him, we let him go but practically same thing) and we have been fortunate with Max Starks but.. he sure look done.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    I don’t know either but Gilbert’s problem is more of being slow-footed player, he actually can handle a bullrush better than Mike Adams. That’s why by the logic, I felt like he could make a transition to LG.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    I know he need to be coached up but also his other problem seem to be strength. I mean he plays like he hasn’t hit the gym since his rookie year. He’s been regressed since then. My main point with Pouncey really has a lot to do with our financial situation. I am not sure we could afford to keep him and keep that in mind, Velaso WILL be a lot cheaper. If we could, i’d rather trade away Pouncey had his contract for somebody with proven track record at LT.

    With Big Ben, we are still in a win-now mode. Why wait until its too late and the fat lady is singing at her third routines?!

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