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Report: Steelers Trade For T Levi Brown


According to Pro Football Talk, the Pittsburgh Steelers have worked out a trade with the Arizona Cardinals that will bring tackle Levi Brown to Pittsburgh

Brown was originally drafted by the Cardinals with the No. 5 overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft out of Penn State. He originally played right tackle in Arizona before moving to left tackle in 2010.

Brown signed a five-year, $30 million contract extension last year and it included $12 million in guaranteed money. Based on the $4.75 million base salary he was scheduled to earn this season, he will carry a 2013 cap charge of $3.632 million with 13 weeks remaining.

Brown was forced to sit out the 2012 season with a triceps injury.

The steelers obviously will have to make cap roomk to afford Brown. We will know soon what the compensation was and it very well could include Isaac Redman.

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  • cencalsteeler

    Oline just got better!

  • Mike Carroll

    Wow!

  • dgh57

    If true, I know he has started every game since 2008!

  • bonairsfavoriteson

    ISN’T pass pro one of his weaknesses.?????? What side does he play????

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    LTs usually play on the left side…

    He is a big upgrade over Adams/Beechum either way.

  • steeltown

    Well, he was out ’12 with pectoral injury I believe, but otherwise yes, played a ton in college at LT and a ton in the pros for ARI

  • ATL96STEELER

    Total panic move…unSteeler like to give up on a 2nd rd pick after what, 10 NFL starts, but 0-4 will make you do it.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    … we could have made the deal for Levi Brown but not Eugene Monroe?! Sigh.. hopefully this one pan out.

  • Jason

    All depends on what we gave up for him. Glad we are addressing the issue. Finally

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Well, Adams clearly fits RT better than LT and they had to change something before Ben got killed. The bigger concern is how we afford his cap number.

  • steeltown

    Agreed

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Yes and no. The improvement is marginal, as far I’m concerned, it IS still an issue. If we were to make a move, it should be a move that will push us back in contending, this move… I don’t know. Hoping for the best though.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    According to NBC Sports it looks like a couple of later round picks.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Marginal? I can’t agree with that.

  • dgh57

    After looking into it further seems you are right. Excitement of the news, I guess.

  • ATL96STEELER

    LT was a problem…no doubt…just unusual to go from starting LT to the bench in so few games…whatever they saw in camp was hope more than substance apparently.

  • Donny Simmons

    Will this move keep us from drafting Taylor Lewan or Jake Mathews if they are on the board? Not sure looks like a stop gap.

  • chris ward

    Think the Steelers could of got another tackle at a cheaper price. Levi Brown is not the answer long term at LT anyway. Either way Steelers are going to have to draft a tackle in the draft.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I was always worried about his slow feet coming into the year, and it burned us bad through the first four games. It isn’t why we lost or anything, but the offense is showing signs of improvement and they needed to address LT to build on that.

  • steeltown

    Drastic times call for drastic measures,… the plot will thicken before this bye week is over… stay tuned

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Apparently, they didn’t spend much, so the cost is more in the cap/contract space.

  • Donny Simmons

    What are we giving up in the trade?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Unknown yet, but NBC sports is saying “Late Round Stuff”. Dave Tweeted maybe Redman also…

  • steeltown

    I’d be fine with that

  • James

    So far this season, Brown has graded out 60th among 72 of PFF’s
    qualifying tackles. That said, he’s an upgrade on Mike Adams – especially in the run game

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Me too, he wasn’t dressing any time soon anyway, and his salary would help absorb the cap hit.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Didn’t Adams grade out like 71st?

  • steeltown

    He’s returning from a season ending injury in ’12

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Each opinion to their own. Look at it this way- the fricking Cardinals are willingly to give him up and believe me, they have O-line issues too.

    It sure doesn’t comfort one’s thought when he’s going over to Steelers’ and play with worst O-linemen.

  • Donny Simmons

    Will Adams come around or is he a RT only now?

  • James

    I think it is for a late round draft pick(s) to be decided

    But as we get extra compensatory picks next year for losing Wallace, Lewis, Mendenhall etc. its not that bad.

    Pity that Brown isn’t much better though…

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    He was also arguably their best OL prior to his injury last season.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Who knows. He clearly needs more time to develop, and he appears to be better suited to RT, but the time to develop cold lead to anything.

  • TrueSteelerForLife

    WTF??? Why are we all of a sudden trading draft picks away when this team is clearly in rebuild mode. I guess what im really mad about is us aquiring Guy Whimper 2.0 and calling it a solution. Let me remind everyone that its Arizona who usually takes on our cast offs and not the other way around. This is bad. I’m sorry but moves that cripple your future will always come back to bite you in the ass. This team has not been good enough in the draft to trade away multiple picks for no one. I’m not sure what we gave up but so far the reports are its two draft picks and thats on top of losing one for Landry Jones (i believe we lost a 3rd for that). I hope i’m wrong and Levi becomes a Pro Bowler all of a sudden but by now, thats probably not gonna happen

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Trust me, I know this isn’t as big an impact as the Monroe trade, but it is still a pretty big step forward over what we had.

  • Donny Simmons

    If Redman is part of the trade does that free up his cap money 1.6m I think.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Cripple our future? by trading picks that will, at worst, be replaced with comp picks? I think you are overreacting a bit.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    1.3m was his tender, and yeah, I think it does. Well, the pro-rated portion of it.

  • Donny Simmons

    We traded a 3rd rounder in 2014 to draft Thomas not Landry Jones.

  • Mike Carroll

    Please take Redman and his $1.3M guaranteed! I will be thrilled if he is part of this deal.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Also, we only spent the actual 4th on Jones. Still a stupid move when they could have just held on to Hoyer, but no trade involved.

  • jimmy

    i would also trade ryan clark for picks to a contender

  • steeltown

    You said it yourself, the Team has NOT been good enough in the draft (regarding OL) so when that occurs sometimes you have to acquire players via trade

  • Ken

    If the Cardinals gave him a 5 year contract renewal – he must have been playing good football before the injury.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I don’t know that a lot of contenders would be looking for Clark.

  • TrueSteelerForLife

    This guy just sucks and i guess with Adams there is hope for improvement while this guy is just a stop gap. And what i was trying to say is, when you don’t draft well you need all the draft picks you can get so you actually get a shot to bring in some decent talent and we are already down at least three picks in the next draft

  • steeltown

    Just a season ago Arians called him an elite OLineman, I think he’s struggled since returning from season ending injury in ’12 but the talent is there

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    They cut him in March of 2012 to get out from under his previous cap number, then resigned him 3 days later to his current contract. He tore his pectoral in the preseason and missed all last year.

  • Callentown

    YEEEEEEHAWWWWW!!!!!!!

  • charles

    You were right about Bell. I don’t know how you knew. Suddenly, I am a big Haley fan. He seems to have purpose with his player personel decisions as opposed to others who seem to choose players by roulette wheel. Or by personal plea…

  • Doni609

    Boy, you’ve got that right ‘Alexander’. Again, seem to be a day late and a lot of bucks short. Colbert has the cap so screwed-up I don’t even know why they are bothering at this point. We can’t afford most of our remaining talent next year anyway. Grasping at straws again.

  • steeltown

    We’ll get atleast 2 if not 3 comp picks

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    He doesn’t suck. He isn’t fully back from his injury yet and even the way he is playing is an upgrade over what we have, with virtually no cost.

  • steeltown

    Why does everyone think he sucks?? He’s coming back from ’12 IR injury, prior to that he started basically every game at LT for ARI dating abck to 2007

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Haley has largely been a scapegoat this year, but the underlying signs are there that the offense is getting it.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Couldn’t afford the cap hit

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    No idea.

  • Matt Searls

    He has been beat badly this season.. There’s a reason the cardinals are willing to trade their starting lt

  • Busforever

    We needed to make a move, can’t let the situation without change – plus it sends a message to players: if you’re not good enough, your job isn’t safe. Tomlin walked the talk, that’s good. Obviously Levi Brown is not playing like the top 5 pick he was, but sometimes a fresh start can turn things right.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    He is also returning from a serious injury, and STILL grades out better than Adams.

  • Mike Carroll

    They haven’t necessarily given up on Adams unless he was dealt in the trade. The Steelers need bench depth and Adams could develop with time.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Plus, plus, this means we can finally CUT GUY WHIMPER!!!!

  • Busforever

    Yeah, and traded for a low pick by what I read. But that doesn’t mean he won’t make our OL better…

  • ATL96STEELER

    Obviously the record impacted this decision and that’s why I called it a panic move…as a LT, if you have great feet to go with size and strength, you’re going top 5…Adams went in the 2nd rd…not just b/c of the pot imo.

    I think the rest of the OTs playing left or right have to learn the NFL game on the fly…some type of pass rushers are going to be more successful against them than others…Getting beat by Jared Allen is somewhat predictable…they fixed it for the most part in the 2nd half.

    I’m not surprised by the move, but the timing I am surprised. If anything, I thought he might sit Clark.

  • Mike Carroll

    Definitely agree. Really bothersome for national media (and local) to crap on Haley and say he is not on same page with Ben. On the contrary I think they have gotten on the same page this year and still like where the offense is headed despite the 0-4 record.

  • Mike Carroll

    Good call!

  • TrueSteelerForLife

    I hear you, both of you. But just because he started doesnt mean he was ever an accomplished player. Do you see him on the roster beyond this year?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    He may still sit Clark.

    And you are spot on about OTs handling different guys. Adams was abused by Allen, who Starks shut down completely (he was always good with bull rushers). Meanwhile Freeney routinely abused Starks.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Yes, with a new contract. I think this means they aren’t spending a first on an LT and going the same out draft a developmental guy/try to develop Adams route.

  • steeltown

    That remains to be seen, but to be honest, yes I see him on roster past this year barring injury

  • ATL96STEELER

    That much is true, especially the depth part.

  • Pete

    I don’t think it’s a matter of giving up on Adams. Adams needs time to grow and he and Gilbert didn’t earn their positions. With Brown, Adams can watch and learn and hopefully improve his craft.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Actually, scratch my previous post. Given that they are off the hook for his bonus, they will either keep him under the current one or drop him.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    It is indeed something but tell me how much of improvement is this compared with the signing of Max Starks? I’m just throwing out hypothetical situations. How much did we actually have to give up? I heard 2nd round pick, I heard its one of our players. Doesn’t sound to good.

    Ah… Manny Sanders, maybe?

  • Matt Jones

    Dave, Is this even an upgrade to Kelvin Beachum?

  • Callentown

    Seems there is a question about what Adams can become.

    LT is out. RT is now his goal.

    Jury = Out.

  • TrueSteelerForLife

    Thats exactly why this is a dumb move. You are saying that this will keep them from drafting a top tier tackle next year and i agree. Where instead we could have drafted one of the top three tackles in this draft (and there are some good ones this year coming out) The way we are playing now we are bound to draft in the top 10, and use the lower picks to better move around in the draft.

  • Pete

    Wow! Good move. Guys should have to earn the position. Adams and Gilbert were just handed their positions since they really had no opposition. Unfortunate that only one T was obtained. Gilbert needs to be pushed. Hope Adams can learn from Brown.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I haven’t heard anything close to a second. I am hearing late round stuff and maybe a player or two. Possibly Redman, who is completely expendable at this point.

    As for Starks, he’s done. There is a reason why two teams cut him already this season.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Argumentative we still could afford Monroe. In my other post I recommend Maurkice Pouncey and his salary. Heck include Manny Sanders.

    By next off-season, with some releasing and re-constructing we could still afford Monroe.

    On paper it’d look like a downgraded situation but is it really? Monroe is younger and better, the improvement is significant compared to Levi Brown, Pouncey himself is already a regressed player and to consider Velaso’s situation, he is better suited against monster DTs we have to face in AFC North.

    It’d be almost putting us back to where we already are only with less cap room hell.

  • TrueSteelerForLife

    Yeah you are correct, my mistake. But you know what i was getting at

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Gilbert has been improving this season, if slowly, while Adams has not. Aside from that, we instantly have competition at RT now, as Adams, Gilbert and Beechum can all play the spot and push each other.

  • Tom

    Sounds good to me.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Pouncey for Monroe? No. Just No.

    Regressed or not, Pouncey for Monroe is a bad value prop. Especially since Monroe is not signed past this year and we don’t negotiate mid season. That is a flat out terrible idea.

  • Curtis

    So we picked up V. Fernando good pick up and now were going to see how L. Brown works out. Cant be no worse hate getting rid of picks like that but if it pay off then im fine were also going to get comp pick for this years draft so it might work out.

  • Tom

    It’s only weird if it doesn’t work.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    If the cost is anything like we are hearing (low picks, possibly including Redman or a similar player), this is pretty much a win-win move.

  • Mike Carroll

    Great news that the Steelers are not tied to Brown’s bonus money if that is indeed true.

  • Pete

    Do you ever have a chance to listen to Wolf, Hoke and Tom Bradley? When I listen to guys like them and Tunch, I respect their opinions on football especially the O line since Wolf and Tunch are exSteeler O linemen. They said the talk with Gilbert is that he’s not playing like he wants it and they talked about how both T never had to earn their positions and the need to be pushed. The way things have shaped up I completely agree with that.

    LT is one of the most if not the most difficult position to play on the OL. It’s very hard for a rookie to come in and perform at a top level against the best outside pass rushers. In my opinion it would’ve been better to play Adams at RT like they did with Starks and then move him to LT in a couple years. Gilbert would also have flopped at LT if he had been put there.

  • Soliciting Steelers

    Dang it! I was hoping they might send Redman to AZ for a different former 1st rd pick: RB Ryan Williams…maybe they still can, but I hope the trade also includes Adams or Gilbert for salary displacement (little) and to flush one of them…change of scenery will do everyone good!

  • Pete

    No way is this a marginal upgrade. You are comparing a seasoned veteran with basically rookies.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I don’t live locally at the moment, so I don’t get to hear them, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all by that. Gilbert was put off by not getting the LT job. But he still has shown more improvement than Adams either way.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    They weren’t going to trade for a RB with Bell just getting healthy and playing so well in his first game.

  • schlong

    Hardly an improvement. He graded out as the 60th best LT last year of all the tackles. Panic move at best

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    No he didn’t, he didn’t even play last year. I think you mean that he grades out at 60th this season, which is still at least 10 spots higher than Adams. Plus, he has shown that he can be a consistent starter before being injured.

  • Soliciting Steelers

    Agree with everything but run game, Adams is still good run blocker but his pass protection dwarfs everything LOL

  • Soliciting Steelers

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Adams or Gilbert a part of this trade, just to get something out of 2nd rd picks…only incl Gilbert because of Arians famialiarity

  • Pete

    Steelers are very thin on O line depth. Sending either tackle would be stupid. I mean, it was a joke when Tomlin said the only other T was “below the line in preparation.” He was basically saying that after Beachum, there was nobody who could replace Adams.

  • ATL96STEELER

    I think as a young LT that’s not a stud like Joe Thomas you’re going to take some lumps and learn not only his position, but the subtleties of the guys he’s facing.

    But…@ 0-4, we can’t afford the young guy the learning curve.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    “He was basically saying that after Beachum, there was nobody who could replace Adams.”

    Sadly, he was exactly right. Though that state of affairs falls on him, Colbert, and Bicknell.

  • Soliciting Steelers

    True but Redman was done in Pitt…was hoping for a Felix Jones type trade just to try and salvage a former 1st rounder to replace Redman since he was giving us nothing anyway…Arians discovered him so I think 100% that he is part of this trade based upon history

  • Soliciting Steelers

    True, just thinking we have to get something for a possible wasted 2nd Rd pick and Cards have to replace Brown somehow…

  • Matt Jones

    Surprise Surprise.. He played for Todd Haley.

  • Bilgewater D

    Hell no.

  • Callentown

    Well, damned if you do and damned if you don’t. He may not be the answer for the next 5 years, but considering what’s available, AT LEAST THE STEELERS did SOMETHING!!

  • ATL96STEELER

    Idk what picks were traded, but I’m more in line with your thinking here…I understand 0-4 drives people to do things they might not do otherwise…they (meaning the Steeler brass) had to know it was going to take some time breaking in Adams as the LT.

    4 games into the season, we’re TRADING for a LT to take over for our #2 draft pick? Now maybe they still see future in Adams, but this move is one of panic, or they’re writing him off.

  • Chris Ranieri

    Band-aids to salvage this season are not what I want to see as a fan… Always build towards the future. We have the pieces for long term success, we just need a catalyst. I’m still confident in Colbert…don’t let a few losses damper your allegiance to a great franchise…

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Who says he is a band-aid? He is under contract for a few years and is only 29. If he works out it’s a win. If he doesn’t, he is still likely an upgrade over Adams and doesn’t appear to have cost much.

  • RW

    I think that there were two reasons for this:

    1) To send a message to the team. May not be the best reason to do it. But, more importantly…

    2) To keep Ben from dying.

  • RW

    He’s pretty expensive. Check out the contract #’s again. I like the move but it didn’t come without significant cost.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    3.6m this year. We can cut him with no additional cost beyond that. Yeah, he is owed 6m next year but there are ways around that if he works out.

  • Chris Ranieri

    Not saying he is a band-aid, and I will say I don’t know much about him. I am saying I hope this move was made with the future in mind. I will reiterate that I believe in Colbert and I know he is not impulsive. Hopefully we get some good snaps out of Mr. Brown over his career as a Steeler.

  • ATL96STEELER

    True…they’ve done a lot of things…I’d be happy if he’s the answer for the rest of the season, but Idk if the team is good enough to justify trading picks for aging vets. I mean does Levi Brown mean 10-6 or 8-8?

  • Callentown

    No, but in my opinion, we have multiple questions about the Steelers today. One is whether this offense and OC are a good fit.

    If the team struggles because they didn’t have the right personnel, we may end up watching it all again next year. If we at least get a team on the field who can really try it out, the team will know if this is the course to stay on offensively.

    Ya know?

  • Nolrog

    Did he play for Bicknell? Cause you know, Haley doesn’t coach the offensive line.

  • Callentown

    We have SO MANY questions right now. If the team can at least get whatever this offense is supposed to be going, we can at least see if the Haley way is one we want to stay on.

    Otherwise, we may end up seeing this same story again next year because Haley didn’t get the chance to run the offense with qualified people.

    We need answers and we need them THIS year. I like the move.

  • Matt Jones

    No shit fuck bucket… Haley still coaches the offense

  • SteelerFanInMD

    The Steelers made this trade out of necessity. It was ridicules of them to go into the regular season with two inexperienced players as candidates to play LT. What will the compensation be for Levi Brown? With the Cards head coach being Bruce Arians, I think he is going to want Emmanual Sanders.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    That is one reason I like the move. The last two games the offense has shown a lot of signs of improving, except for the OL and turnovers, which go hand in hand. If this helps. then great.

  • Jason White

    Yeah I don’t see why people say he sucks. Hell losing him in 2012 is one of the reasons why Arizona’s o-line got so crappy and couldn’t protect their QBs.

  • chris ward

    Being that the Steelers would not be tied with bonus money is good to hear.

  • Callentown

    He can have him. I really think we need to put #11 on the field at this point as a regular along with ‘Big Time’ Brown ;).

    Sanders’ reactions to fumbles and INT’s is like something out of high school ball.

  • steeltown

    He just turned 29yrs old

  • cencalsteeler

    Baltimore gave the Jags a 4 and 5 rounder for Monroe. Steelers should get away with giving Cards nothing more than a 5 rounder for Brown

  • Jeff

    Sanders will not be a part of this trade… that’d be idiotic

  • CrazyTerry

    You gotta be kidding me. I would rather have Beachum learn the LT position than have the overpaid Levi Brown add to the list of underperforming linemen on the team. AZ’s OL was worse than the Steelrs in recent years and Levi Brown was one o fhte reasons why. This is a stupid panic move caused by their terrible signing of Whimper in the offseason. This trade is a bad one unless it involves AZ taking on some dead weight from the Steelers (Whimper, Redman, etc).

  • steeltown

    Levi is 29yrs old and could possibly be part of the future of this Team… we’re 0-4 changes need to be made

  • Noel

    Sorry guys but I live in AZ and Levi Brown is terrible. I wish he wasn’t

  • Jeff

    Well, we still have Beachum. At this point, anyone is better than Adams… ANYONE

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    No he wasn’t, their worst year was last year, and he missed the whole year.

  • steeltown

    Indeed

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Remember I’m looking from a standpoint of finance issues. Are you implying you’d rather that we give away other pick for LT in this draft that we probably will underdeveloped/misscouted/no coaching up part. Sorry but I have absolute NO faith in our Steelers FO when it come to O-line.

    In a theory, LT is bigger issue than OC and personally I could rank 6 centers in front of Maurkice Pouncey easily and this tell you one thing: we WILL overpaid Maurkice Pouncey just like we overpaid Willie Colon, Max Starks, and Chris Kemoeatu. Eugene Monroe move is both short and long-term; you get a quick plug-in for now and Jags get completely no service from Pouncey for this year but! We would be in a luxury of drafting a playmaker in the draft.

    If I look at my projection, with the releases of Ryan Clark, Manny Sanders, Brett Keisel, Larry Foote, and possibly re-constructing of Heath Miller, Big Ben, Lawrence Timmons, and Lamarr Woodley and you have us re-signing Ziggy Hood (no way in hell we let go both Hood and Keisel, that’s just a fact), Ike Taylor to smaller contract, Polamalu and Cortez Allen (it was my understanding we could sign him for a year of RFA contract) and you still could compete in play-off.

    You can’t, I mean absolutely CAN’T go to playoff with Antonio Brown being your only true weapon. We need a playmaker with 1st round pick.

  • Jefferson_St_Joe

    I agree with bringing someone in and allowing the young guys to take a step back to try and work on technique and whatever else they are missing. Maybe, we will be able to better evaluate the rest of the line with better play on the left side. However, I don’t agree with putting more dollars from future years in to this year. I also question whether or not this guy is worth $13M over this and the next 2 seasons. For a team with cap problems, he projects to an easy cut because there is no dead money.

    I bet they restructure and hopefully reduce his contract.

  • cencalsteeler

    Yeah, word is Brown is Arizona’s version of Adams. We’ll see, maybe a change of scenery will negate this.

  • Jefferson_St_Joe

    The Cardinals should give us a draft pick for taking his salary off their hands.

  • cencalsteeler

    I actually read the Cardinals were just going to flat out release him.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    It’s a conditional pick from Bouchette.

  • steeltown

    ARI won their Division the two yrs following the drafting of Brown, he was the starter (RT) during the SB season against the Steelers.. now im not saying he’s the reason they improved that greatly over those yrs, but atleast he wasn’t part of the reason for their demise like the Steelers Tackles currently are.. doesn’t get much worse than what we currently have

  • Mike Carroll

    I admit I’m not sure about Brown. But, I think it is interesting to note that Haley is very familiar with him having coached him in Arizona. I still trust what Haley is doing overall so hopefully Brown can serve as an adequate LT for this year. Bouchette now saying a conditional pick for Brown, hope it’s not higher than 5th round.

  • Eric

    With the __ pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the Steelers select Offensive Tackle _______. I guaranty we will hear that in the first round next draft.

  • steeltown

    Like Tennessee flat out released Velasco….?

  • Bilgewater D

    Ravens get Eugene Monroe. We get…..Levi Brown? Really? Is anyone happy about this. He’s just as piss poor as the rest of the o-line.

    Does anyone realize that we have Herm Edwards part deaux for our head coach?

  • Fritz Baughman

    Well, with Adam’s shortening Ben’s lifespan, and considering how much the medical costs would be to re-attach Ben’s head to his body, this might end up being a good deal.

  • dgh57

    After further review, my opinion on this possible trade is turning south. Hope we didn’t give up much to get him!

  • CrazyTerry

    Their OL has been bad for more than one year. Grimm and Whiz whiffed badly on this terrible pick. What a joke Levi Brown turned out to be. Now I have no problem getting him here, but why the hell AZ gets even a pick for this guy when he was about to be cut? Steelers are doing AZ a favor by taking on his salary. Unless this trade involved Whimper and Redman going to AZ, this is a desperate trade hoping for a gamble gone right.

  • CrazyTerry

    If Steelers were nt obligate dto take oin the 3.6M in salary, I would have no problem with this trade. Steelers have cap problems as it is.

  • HiVul

    I just hope they didn’t over pay. Other than that I think it makes sense to give up Isaac Redman and a third day draft pick for an upgrade at LT. I don’t see it as a panic move, I see it as recognition that we don’t have a LT in the locker room.

    Redman is expendable and I think they’d be happy just to not have to pay him. Obviously just stick with Bell, Jones and Dwyer. Giving up ONE third day pick makes sense to me because Brown is a bit of a risk in terms of coming back from an injury, but he’s more of a known commodity than a 5-7th rounder. He’s also 29, that’s not ancient but I wouldn’t want to give up multiple picks for a guy who’s in the back half of his career and is a question mark.

  • CrazyTerry

    So what is bicknell going to do with Levi Brown that Grimm couldn’t?

  • cencalsteeler

    An article by SB Nation- According to Paul Calvisi “The team was prepared to simply release him”.

  • CrazyTerry

    He was part of the reason for their demise. I dont know what Whiz and Grimm were thinking.

  • Fritz Baughman

    We could send them a 2nd round pick in next years draft and just save us the agony of another worthless, wasted pick.

  • Jeff

    We used a 4th round draft pick on a potential 3rd string QB that might not even make the team next year….. I’m hoping the gamble on Brown pays off considering the draft decisions over the last few years

  • Jeff

    Practice the zone blocking scheme, and then never use it in games?

  • Fritz Baughman

    Make him even worse? That’s pretty much my guess.

  • Jeff

    LOLOL

  • CrazyTerry

    We get this loser while Ravens get Monroe. Ozzie has outdid Colbert once again when it comes to rebuilding the OL

  • dgh57

    When you look at it that way you are correct. We stink when it comes to drafting 2nd rd. players anyways, so why not!

    But there’s only one problem: LeVeon Bell

  • Noel

    Ok, see for yourself.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Worst part? Even a top 5 offensive tackle won’t fix the problem.

  • willie colon

    at least this means they have not given up on season

  • cencalsteeler

    Brown > Whimper

  • steeltown

    How so? He was a 16 game starter 3 out of the 4 seasons that they had success over his tenure there

  • steeltown

    Haters… jesus, we are 0-4 people!!!! He is an experienced upgrade from our current terrible tackles, its pretty simple

  • steeltown

    I will. It cant be any worse than it is now, because its not statistically possible

  • cencalsteeler

    I think Cards fans have a bad taste in their mouths in regards to Brown. They skipped on Adrian Peterson and Derrelle Revis to take Levi.

  • gevins

    Now how do we fix the Defense? New tackling coach?

  • steeltown

    Well, no doubt, ha I’d be furious

  • Fritz Baughman

    Yea, him and Woodley turned out well, so I guess I can’t be too harsh.

  • Tom

    Please do not have children.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    That is a gross oversimplification.

  • cencalsteeler

    Let’s look at the positive. It’s an upgrade over Whimper. He comes in with experience. He can help develop Adams, Gilbert and Beachum. And, adds depth to our O-line. Haley is familiar with him. And, it shows the FO is trying to be proactive in fixing this problem. Hopefully, Brown comes in and contributes the way Velasco has.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Tackling? There’s not tackling in football…

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Brown >>>>>>> Whimper

  • HopalongCassidy

    Brown can also play RT so he could ultimately end up there and Gilbert move to LT. That is a possibility that might be part of the Steelers thinking.

  • RW

    Meh Adams is a better RT than a LT anyway. Let him take some lumps there while not getting our QB killed.

  • RW

    I don’t think they’re going to pay for a $4 mil tackle to put him on the right side…

  • steeltown

    Yea I know, but as with Velasco, just because he was possibly going to be released doesn’t mean he cant help us

  • joed32

    Can you cut a player on IR?

  • steeltown

    Exactly, agreed

  • cencalsteeler

    True. Was just passing on info I had read.

  • george

    If this don’t lite a fire under Adams and Gilbert’s butts to improve and get better, Nothing will. If it works it will be worth it. Next season will be worth watching. If not at the end of the season we cut Adams , Brown and Whimper and try again going forward.

  • Steeler Wheeler

    a girl scout fighting for cookie money is an upgrade over Adams

  • Steeler Wheeler

    gotta disagree. Steelers are net -41 points, and Adams missed just about every block…definitely worth 41 points.

  • JB

    Brown is set to make over $4 million this year? The Steelers can afford that, but couldn’t afford Monroe’s $5+ mil? I’m sure that there where a lot of other factors at play here – but it would appear that the Salary cap wasn’t as significant as people initially believed it to be

  • george

    I live here in Arizona. He WAS a good LT. His play, especially in pass protection has taken a significant drop. That’s why the cards were looking to deal him. Whether he’s worth it depends on what the stelers give up. If it’s just money…fine…but if they gave up a draft pick :-(

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    You do realize that according to PFF, Mike Adams is just about as bad as Levi Brown? You do know that right? Past 4 games Levi gave up more pressures but Adams gave up more sacks (not by much though) and even so, Levi Brown is a guy who get 1-2 holding calls EVERY games.

    Now my biggest grudge with this is how much of his contract we HAVE to eat up. He’s signed through 2016! Marginal improvement, I’ll stick to my words.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    No but you CAN trade him.

  • george

    Total panic move! Here’s a quote from Marc Sessler.. “Adams has been a turnstile this season. He needs to be replaced, but anyone watching Cardinals film has seen Brown pop off the screen as a massive liability. Brown was flamed by Rams pass rusher Robert Quinn in the season opener, and accountable for a Saints bum-rush in Week 3. Fifty-nine offensive tackles currently grade higher on the field this season, per Pro Football Focus.”

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Thank you! This is the worst trade I haveever seen Kevin Colbert made. I’m not sure which is worse- this trade or Sean Mahan signing. I saw somewhere they said Levi Brown could be traded to play LG… even though, that’s still bad!

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Nope. Not at all.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Excellent point…you never will find out if it’s right if your QB had no confidence in his blind side. A new player at the position makes sense and not my beef…it appears this will be a conditional pick…that still doesn’t take Colbert off the hook as Adams is probably not a better RT than Gilbert…thus heading for bust town fast.

  • Nine

    I’d keep Keisel till he drops. That guy is amazing.

  • CrazyTerry

    And he also costs 3.6M in cap space. No wonder Steelers are in cap trouble

  • CrazyTerry

    maybe if you actually watched games other than being a Steeler homer, you would know how bad this guy is.

  • Pete

    It’s kind of yes and no. Is Brown a top LT? No. Is Brown experienced and a stop gap for the Steelers to get by for the rest of the season? I think so and I think he makes the O line a bit better as it now stands. Not pro bowl better but better.

  • CrazyTerry

    Interesting how Colbert escapes scrutiny. And of all the failed coaches, you can only find another black coach to compare Tomlin to? Tomlin deserves some major blame for this fiasco, but Colbert has the final say on this. The cap hell we are in is fully Colbert’s fault. What kind of moron wastes nearly 5M on two horrible tackles – Whimper and Levi Brown?

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Not without a settlement of some sort I believe

  • Fritz Baughman

    So, he’ll fit right in. Perfect!

  • Pete

    Think about it. If he was marginally better than Adams would the Steelers trade for him and give up draft picks? They’ve obviously watched more film on him than you or I. He was good enough to get handed a new multi-million dollar salary. Jonathan Scott he is not. He might be good enough to get them out of this season or the best the Steelers can get with the cap as it is where they see a significant difference between him and Adams. This also gives Adams a chance to maybe play RT like Starks and grow into a LT and earn it.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    According to PFF his stats (QB pressures,sacks, and penalties) is right where Mike Adams is. Keep this in mind, Mike Adams hasn’t been flagged, Levi Brown already is averaging more than 1 flag a game. Think about that.

    Not to forget to include his CRAPPY contract. Really?! Kevin Colbert, really?!

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Have it ever occured to you that Todd Haley might have more saying in this? Levi Brown was his guy. Levi Brown wasan average tackle with Kurt Warner, this was especially due to his quick-releasing. With big ben this isn’t really solving anything.

    Also have it occur to you that Steelers and the FO might have a knee-jerk reaction to this? Not every FA moves are necessarily a logic move nor good one. Just because they are in the league and has this job, doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes.

  • Pete

    I seriously doubt Tomlin and Colbert read PFF to figure out who is good and who isn’t. I’m sure they use much more to grade a lineman. Adams doesn’t have a body of work. He’s just very green. They must feel Brown is an improvement on Adams to go for him. Look at McKinnie. The Ravens picked him up when the Vikes were no longer interested. He proved very useful to them. Maybe not always consistent but good enough with their group of O linemen. Brown may end up serving the Steelers like McKinnie did for the Ravens.

  • Donny Simmons

    look on i-heart radio, do a city search and you will find black and gold radio. Good stuff Im in VA so that is how I here Steeler info.

  • Pete

    That’s a very good point as we saw the same thing with Jonathan Scott and Kugler. True. But there’s no way this flies without Colbert’s approval. They had to have taken a look at this guy closely and made a decision. You are right in that it could be a knee-jerk decision but the Steelers don’t usually work that way. When have we seen them panick in the past? I can’t remember any. Very little activity in free agency and build through the draft. I’m going to trust in their decision until I see Brown getting man-handled every week. Then I’ll start screaming.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Fair enough, sir. But yes, being 0-4 does warrant a panic mode.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    To be fair, McKinnie is the reason they traded for Eugene Monroe. Bottom line, realistically I trust in our FO more when it all come to every other FA signings and draftees EXCEPT for O-line. There’s a good reason for that and I’m pretty certain you share same feeling on this one.

    Last time we had a decent/true good O-line signing was… *drumrolls* Jeff Hartings back in 2000 and we got lucky with that one.

  • CrazyTerry

    No offense. But you are in dreamland if you equate Vleasco to Levi Bust. Levi costs 3.6M, Veloasco makes a fraction of that. Velasco was actually rated higher than Pouncey by PFF last year. Levi was rated pretty low by PFF

  • CrazyTerry

    At least Adams was a passable RT last year. Brown may be no worse at LT this year and may be better at LT, but not worth spenmding 3.6M

  • CrazyTerry

    Velasco was not released because he was playing badly

  • CrazyTerry

    who has had the better OL the last 5 years?

  • CrazyTerry

    3.6M is not much?? you are assuming the worst he can is average at which point 3.6 wont be much.

  • Pete

    Last season the Ravens had a pretty solid O line especially with pro bowler Yanda and they had McKinnie and Oher moving around. Maybe McKinnie is getting to the end of the line but he was part of the Super Bowl winning team and they did a great job of keeping Flacco clean and running the ball when they needed to.

    Yeah, the Steelers O line has been in disrepair for a while. Jeff Hartings was one of the best C the Steelers have had. Very solid career. Faneca was the last really good lineman to leave and they’ve never been able to replace that kind of quality. They did get Pouncey and I think DeCastro and Adams are going to turn into good linemen. You have to give it to the Steelers that they are trying to fix the O line. It’s just taking longer than fans like.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Again, a fallacious oversimplification. Who has had the better line has zero relevance to whether trading for Monroe or trading for Brown was a better option.

    Monroe would be nothing but a 1 year rental for us, on a team that isn’t likely to make much noise this season. Brown provides the option of multi-year help without having to compete on the open market at LT, and costs very little to cut loose.

  • Pete

    To be fair Ravens had more cap space to bring in McKinnie and Yanda.

  • cencalsteeler

    Where does it say I equate Velasco to Levi? I am simply stating I hope he CONTRIBUTES in the same way Velasco has. I am not a fan of PFF. It is skewed. Levi’s three penalties dropped the numbers and he is coming off the pec. injury. I don’t think coaches base their decisions off of PFF rankings and neither should we.

  • Callentown

    Yeah, you’re right about those picks.

    It could be that all three of those tackles compete for the RT spot next season after the Steelers use their 1st Rd pick (hopefully) on a new LT.

  • Bilgewater D

    I blame Colbert as well.

    I compare Mike Tomlin to Herm Edwards because their coaching path is very similar and they are both tied to Tony Dungy.

    Secondly, they are both cliche filled. Tomlin has no substance any more. And they are both similar type game coaches.

  • CrazyTerry

    Brown is essentially a one year rental too. No way Steelers should be giving him $6M next year. If he works out OK, then they should negotiate a new contract essentially making him a free agent anyway. Sure there is a small chance he could be worth more than the 6M he is owed next year, but you do not manage a team by being a degenerate gambler

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Yes it does take longer to fix this but.. we had this problem for 7 years. They didn’t fix that a while ago with better draft or FA signings and that’s on them. I understand it does take longer to fix the O-line but look you put Big Ben behind those O-line and you kept Big Ben, paid him the big bucks… they should have took the path Ravens took, which released a bunch of good defensive players but look, they are able to protect Flacco and come on, Flacco isn’t the QB with pedigree of Big Ben.

    The blueprint Ravens took were similar to Patriots, they lost a lot of good defensive players through from 2003-2007 but look where they are still at.

    I know we all are allowed to have our ownindividual opinions but if I’m the GM, I notice the lack of scouting/coaching in one department, I go all FAs for that department with some good/solid draft. I mean even i’d be smarter about that.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I agree with you up to “then they should negotiate a new contract essentially making him a free agent anyway.”

    It is not essentially making him a free agent anyway, and that is the fundamental difference that you seem to be missing. No open market with a known ceiling on his salary next year.

  • Matt Searls

    I’m just saying, the cardinals are my second favorite team and I’ve seen him beaten early and often

  • walter mason

    Fixed what in the 2nd half?

  • ATL96STEELER

    OL played better.

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