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Steelers Versus Ravens Winners And Losers Week 13


On Thursday night, the Pittsburgh Steelers lost 22-20 to the Baltimore Ravens and below is my list of winners and losers from the game. Feel free to add your own in the comments below.

Winners:

Jason Worilds - Worilds has likely made himself a ton of money the last three weeks as once again he was the Steelers best defensive player. Worilds was credited with 10 total tackles, two sacks, three hits and one forced fumble to go along with a few unofficial pressures. The Ravens dedicated a little more help to his side in the second half, which seemed to quiet him some.

Le'Veon Bell - This was easily Bell's best game of his young career. He had 73 yards on 16 carries and chipped in another seven catches for 63 yards. He had one rushing touchdown in the game and would have had two if his helmet wouldn't have come off on the final drive. Bell also blocked well in the backfield and he ate up grass nicely on blitz pickups. Once again, several of his yards came after first contact.

Lawrence Timmons - Timmons had a fine game. Not only did he register eight total tackles, all but one was within two yards or less from the line of scrimmage.

Heath Miller - Miller led the Steelers in receptions with eight and yardage with 86. While he failed to score a touchdown, he moved the chains several times. Miller has struggled quite a bit in the blocking department this season and while he wasn't perfect Thursday night, he did have several key blocks and one of them helped Bell walk right into the endzone for a touchdown.

Kelvin Beachum - Before leaving late in the game with an injury, Beachum did a great job on Ravens linebackers Terrell Suggs and Elvis Dumervil. A few pressures perhaps, but quarterback Ben Roethlisberger once again wasn't sacked and that says a lot. Suggs came into the game with nine sacks and 67 tackles. His lone solo tackle Thursday night was on a nine yard completion to Bell.

Mat McBriar - McBriar finally had a good game punting and he pinned the Ravens inside their own 20 twice on four punts.

Losers:

Ike Taylor - While Taylor was not fully to blame on the first big play and short touchdown that followed, he does share some of it. Ravens wide receiver Torrey Smith caught six passes for 93 yards and a touchdown in the game and Taylor also was flagged for a 26 yard pass interference penalty in addition.

Emmanuel Sanders - Sanders had sveral drops in this game and while it would have been a tough catch on the two point conversion that would have tied things up, it's one that he has to make. Sanders also quite on one option route and his run blocking was far from great. Yes, he did have a touchdown and a nice leaping catch in the game, but he left several other plays on the field.

Will Allen - Allen shares blame with Taylor on the first big play and overall his deep help in the game was not great. This was by far Allen's worst game since arriving back in Pittsburgh.

Jarvis Jones - For as good as Worilds was on the left side, Jones was invisible on the right when it came to rushing the passer. While the rookie did record two total tackles, one was after a nine yard scramble by Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco. The other, an assist, was on a seven yard completion to running back Ray Rice.

Troy Polamalu - Only two total tackles in the game for Polamalu and one was after an eight yard completion to tight end Dallas Clark. On the first touchdown pass to Smith, Polamalu guessed wrong and he left Taylor with no help underneath. Technically Polamalu is playing linebacker right now and he certainly wasn't a difference maker against the run.

Shaun Suisham - Cadence? Really? That botched field goal attempt really was huge and in addition, none of his kickoffs went into the endzone. Suisham's onsides kick at the end of the game didn't even travel the necessary 10 yards. Fail.

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  • michael young

    Bad Sushi will make you sick every time. Their kicker goes 5-5. Our kicker forgets what he’s doing on his only attempt. This counts as game #2 he has really cost his team this season.

  • Rory

    Pretty much exactly my list. I would throw the rest of the OL in general onto the winner’s list (well maybe except Mike Adams who nearly gave up a sack immediately after replacing Beachum) – zero sacks plus a decent rushing performance might equal their finest performance of the season. Had to overcome a few injuries late too and still nearly got us tied up.

    The pass rush was awful outside of Worilds. Not sure who to specifically fault here, but you can’t expect our tenuous downfield coverage to hold up when you give Flacco (or any QB) that much time. Would love to at least see what a healthy Woodley on the right, Worilds on the left pass rush looks like.

    Hard to call Roethlisberger a loser after engineering the comeback, not turning the ball over once, and his great blitz recognition all game, but he missed on a ton of throws last night – either whiffing completely or making things more difficult than they needed to be on the receiver. I’ll give him a push.

  • Jazz

    Ike Taylor and the aging Secondary. Last week people on this same website was defending Ike; like I said then and will say it again, Ike has lost too many steps, he sometimes plays reckless and out of control, it’s time to move on. I fault the organization for this loss; once too many times the F/O has allowed their personal feelings has prevented them from making sound business decisions. It’s time to move on, the secondary was targeted too often and gave up huge passing plays. Now, Flacco only had 251 yards passing, but the plays they made cost the Steelers the game, factor in that huge Kick-off return as well. Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, they have to say goodbye to these guys in 2014. Troy? If not 2014, for sure in 2015, I also think he will have to take a huge paycut to remain with the team in 2014. WR’s ages 24-27, a secondary with three players over 32 trying to keep up with them, you do the math. Emmanuel Sanders, his agent can go to (BLEEP!). He isn’t a #1 Receiver, too bad some idiot GM/Owner will over pay him in 2014.

  • Elijah Stevenson

    Man I’m so glad suisham made the losers list we scored 20 points in the second half if he would’ve made that field goal we win 23-22

  • Rod Hedrick

    Allen, Clark and Polamalu have been good for so long, but looks like safety has to been on our want list. The want list is growing,

  • greeny

    Does Taylor resemble a 8 million dollar corner? I give Polamalu a pass as he played middle linebacker for some reason last night. I guess the coaches have decided to discontinue the development of Williams. And there is JJ……our first round pick. He will never generate pass rush until he puts on 40 pounds and the spinal stinosis certainly doesn’t help his tackling ability…what a joke of a draft pick! Next year’s OLB’s will be Woodley who might give us 4 games at 13.5 million and JJ who most of his weight is comprised of his hair. Worilds will be a star with some other team.

  • Bradley Campbell

    yeah we have started a cycle where we hang on to long to those older players and then can’t afford the up and coming players letting them go on their second(productive) contract. Not Good

  • Bell Cow

    I agree with your comments about Ike. I’ve also made comments on this site that it’s time to part ways with the aging secondary (Ike and Clark especially) and start fresh. I’m not sure how they’re going to justify paying Ike $7 million a year next season, regardless of whether or not he is willing to take a pay cut because it’s crazy to sign him to a 4th contract.

  • steeltown

    We have no one behind Cortez and WillieG so we need Ike next year regardless, the poor play of late will help in renegotiating his contract (i.e.pay cut) Clark is not signed past 2013 and Troy is not signed past 2014 so I guess you get your wish there

  • JAMESH

    Although I wouldn’t go so far as to put him on the Loser’s List, it seemed Ben was more than a little bit off his game. I’ve never before seen him miss in the manner he did last night.

  • Elijah Stevenson

    Totally agree JJ needs to go to the weight room and build some muscles he’s just to skinny and he does need to gain some pounds to improve his pass rush.

  • steeltown

    Well once again we’re going to lose a young solid player via FA unless they somehow sign Worilds before the FA market opens, he is gone. Been saying for years he’s a solid player he just needs more playing time. Im getting tired of this Team grooming players and then giving them a chance to showcase their abilities in their contract year.

  • Elijah Stevenson

    not to mention the fact that Clark got drilled by Ray rice

  • westernsteel

    Time for Sanders to move down the depth chart. He won’t be a Steelers next season and this team has only won 5 games. Wheaton needs to start the rest of the season which would help this team next season.

  • Shawn S.

    This won’t be popular, but I have Ben on the losers list. Our embattled, makeshift O-line keeps you upright the whole game, in what is easily our biggest game of the season, and you’re essentially off-target for the first three quarters? Granted, the WRs didn’t help him much. But there were a couple of inexplicable errant passes, like missing Heath badly a couple of times. I’m a huge Ben fan, and thought his fouth quarter comeback was great, but this was just not a complete game for him. I believe he might even put himself on this list for his play through 3 quarters. (Let the down votes begin…)

  • steeltown

    I’d like to see more Wheaton and Moye
    If/when the time comes that we are statistically out of the playoff race I hope they play some of the young guys like Fangupo, Al Woods, Antwon Blake, Garvin

  • RW

    He’s awful from 50+ yards out. He wouldn’t have made it anyway, but had we punted I believe they’re more likely to have had one less touchdown. Was a terrible call by the coaching staff even sending him out there and and even worse performance by Suisham.

  • RW

    IMO Manny Sanders is the losers list. Ike had a bad game, for sure, as he has for the last three. But the defensive play calling needs to change in order to make sure he has help over the top.

    No excuse for Sanders’ multiple drops yesterday. The guy isn’t big time at all and I hope we replace him next year.

  • westernsteel

    I know Jarvis Jones is a rookie, and needs the playing time, but you don’t even notice him on the field. So far, pretty disappointing for a first-round pick that has plenty of playing time.

  • JohnnyV1

    Agree with the list, and most here saying O-line deserved winners list. Those guys gutted it out.

    I am extremely disappointed in Emmanuel Sanders. I saw him quit on plays (blocking), drop catchable balls. Time to start working Wheaton into the mix more. Make Sanders return kickoffs or something. I just can’t stand watching him any longer as a starting WR, not like he’s a rookie.

  • steeltown

    His reception percentage based on overall targets is not very good, it can be a misleading stat sometimes but he is below average in that department

  • Rubem Dornas

    IF (and the “if” is always complicated) Suisham had made the FG instead of missing the time to kick, Sanders wouldn’t have to catch that ball.

    However, I can’t understand why in a 2pt-conversion one decide to throw the ball to the worst hands of the three main WR we have.

  • Bell Cow

    Take off the Ike, Troy, and Clark jerseys dude and move on. Jesus, Steelers fans like you who hold on to the past are so annoying. Do you want them to drink from the fountain of youth and cross your fingers they can give the team another good year? Seriously, if they’re losing with over-paid veterans like Ike, Troy, and Clark, then why wouldn’t you cut their cap money and just start fresh with rookies and free agents?

    All these BS scar tactics about starting rookies and utilizing free agency is so obnoxious. Look at all the players Baltimore released on their defense. Ed Reed, Lewis, Kruger, Corey Williams and Ellerbee. Rookies and free agents have all replaced those guys with even better results than last year at a cheaper rate.

  • Bell Cow

    Haha, the poor play of late helps them renegotiate? The poor play of late just shows me their continuing to decline as players.

    Steelers fans like you who continue to hold on to the past are so obnoxious. Take off your Ike, Troy, and Clark jerseys and move on dude. Do you want them to drink from the fountain of youth and cross your fingers they can return to old form for another season? Seriously, if they’re losing with high priced veterans, then why would you continue to bother paying them? These scar tactics about starting rookies and utilizing free agency are ridiculous. Look at all the players Baltimore lost on defense (Ed Reed, Corey Williams, Ray Lewis, Ellerbee, and Kruger). They have all rookies and free agents replacing those guys with even better results.

  • steeltown

    As mentioned, we re-signed our players to win more championships and we almost won three in this decade. Its one tactic, the Ravens went the other route of releasing everyone and their Team looks pretty terrible now

    I will never take off me Polamalu jersey, fans like YOU are annoying. I know Clark is done and I know Ike is almost done, but the Team is what it is right now doesn’t mean the sky is falling and I should burn my Steelers jerseys

  • treeher

    Sanders needs to be demoted to #3 or #4 the rest of the season and Wheaton needs to get snaps.

  • steeltown

    Do you want to repeat yourself, again

  • Rubem Dornas

    The problem is that: who guarantees that Worilds is not playing so well because of the FA knocking his door? I don’t know his nature and if he loyal to the Steelers or to the money. If he is a true Steeler and wants to carry on playing well, keep him. If he is just another wanting money, goodbye.

  • Mike Carroll

    I agree about the secondary. They are very much overpaid this season, let alone next year when they’ll be a year older! Next offseason, I’d like to see the Front Office:
    1) Say goodbye to Clark.
    2) Offer Ike $1.5M in base salary or cut him. If he stays he should no longer used a number one CB.
    3) Offer Troy $3M in base salary or cut him.
    4) Draft CB and S in the first few rounds.

  • steeltown

    He has never really been a starter for an extended period of time, but if you look back on the last few yrs, when he does start he usually produces

  • Bell Cow

    So they Ravens look terrible, but we don’t? Are you serious? The Steelers are ranked 20th in Total Defense and give up 23 pts. per game. Are we not watching the same games?

    Batlimore could at least admit they’re in a rebuilding phase.

  • treeher

    Don’t disagree, I commented early that this was not the time for him to have a bad game. It seemed like he had grip problems in the first half. Also, sometimes on the quick releases he is passing without getting his fingers on the laces.

  • treeher

    Ben said he was one on one with a rookie. But still …

  • Rubem Dornas

    Analyzing your point of view, I think you’re right.

  • steeltown

    I am obnoxious??? haha seriously, classic

  • Bell Cow

    It accidentally typed twice.

    You might want to change your Kiesel icon. He’s like 60 years old now and he’ll be gone too.

  • steeltown

    You’re missing the point, regardless of where we are at when we signed all of our players it was with intent to win more championships and we did, almost 3 in this decade.

    Look at the Ravens, they went the other route and now look nowhere near a championship caliber team

  • Bell Cow

    Batlimore is now in the drivers seat to make the playoffs and I could argue they’re the 3rd best team in the AFC now behind Denver and New England.

  • Rick M

    I agree as well. It’s just stunning to me that this organization made no effort whatsoever to re-sign Keenan Lewis. Yes, in the end he may have ended up in his home town of New Orleans. But how in the world can you let a good, physical, young cornerback like Lewis go without even making a single offer…meanwhile keeping a clearly over-the-hill, high-salaried guy like Ike Taylor.

    if you’re going to take a salary cap hit at cornerback, do it on the good 26-year-old – not the diminishing returns, inconsistent 33-year-old. IMO, a mind-boggling, poor evaluation by the FO.

  • Bell Cow

    We look nowhere near a Championship team!!! Dude seriously, stop kidding yourself. The Steelers are desperately trying to be relevant but they’re not anymore because they lack talent and they’re old.

  • Elijah Stevenson

    But I can’t figure out was the play meant to be a fake because that would be worthless or Shaun to nervous to even kick the field goal if I’m not mistaken I believe it was a 47 yd

  • steeltown

    35yrs old, but seriously?? I have a Keisel icon BECAUSE he is almost gone, its in tribute to him. He is one of the great Steelers of our generation. So, I should not support or root or like him any longer because he’s in his 30′s and possibly in his last year??? Crazy talk

  • Rick M

    No one is even mentioning that brain cramp onside kick effort at the end of the game LOL. I’m not sure I’ve seen that bad and silly an onside kick in years. It didn’t even go 5 yards never mind 10.

  • steeltown

    I think the timing was off, Suisham started in motion before he should have

  • steeltown

    Especially against the Browns, haha which is a plus

  • Mike Carroll

    It’s a shame LaMarr Woodley’s bad contract may very well cost the Steelers another player with a better, brighter, and cheaper future in Jason Worilds. Last year, Ike Taylor’s bad contract was a factor in the loss of K. Lewis who is younger, better and cheaper.

  • Bell Cow

    I look towards the future, while fans like yourself hold on to the past. Get yourself a Heyward, Worilds, Jones, or Thomas icon because those are the future stars.

  • Rick M

    I take exception to your JJ comments. He just got off the ground and he’s scheduled to get to the QB some time this afternoon.

    Poor guy. He tries so hard, but isn’t anywhere near strong enough. Didn’t the FO notice this on his college game tapes before they drafted him?

  • steeltown

    I didn’t say we were a championship team, please reread

  • steeltown

    Denver, NE, KC, Indy and Cincinnati are all better than Baltimore, they lost to Cleveland earlier this month! I’d argue that the Steelers are also a better Team than the Ravens but im done arguing

  • Mike Carroll

    He helped score 3 TDs in 3 redzone chances against the league’s best redzone defense. He did not have a great game, but he does not belong on the losers list.

  • steeltown

    I live in the “now” with an eye to the future, right NOW Keisel is on our Team and he helped this Team win championships. Its called respect.

  • Mike Carroll

    This was a very tight game that the Steelers lost primarily due to losing the special teams battle.

  • steeltown

    Indeed, even after losing multiple OL players we were still in it. A few special teams gaffes and few missed opportunities {cough Sanders} was the main downfall

  • Bell Cow

    You trust Andy Dalton could win a playoff a game? Do you think Indianapolis looks good now without Reggie Wayne? Alex Smith? Really? Come on man!

    The Steelers lost to Minnesota, Tennesse, and Oakland!!!

  • steeltown

    I see all of those things happening, not sure the dollar amounts involved with the presumed pay cuts though.. also I could see them drafting 2CBs

  • Whcr Communicators

    I like this list of winners and losers but Baltimore i really hate to lose to … I think the OL should all be there..no sacks of Ben but Sanders and Suisham really disappointed me tonight

  • Whcr Communicators

    I thought Heath Miller td was a td if it is called on field the evidence to overturn should be overwhelming and thus no Levon Bell concussion play happens etc

  • Douglas Andrews

    Agreed no sense waisting time with someone who doesn’t make plays and certainly won’t be on this team next year. Let’s give Wheaton some much needed experience and see what he’s capable of. He’s gotta be able to do more than Sanders.

  • Mike Carroll

    Well said. Unfortunately, Ike’s bad contract was a huge factor in preventing the signing of K. Lewis. I think his dead money would have been $10M to cut him this offseason, which is a ludicrous amount of money to be tied to a 33 y.o. CB.

    The Steelers have had major ongoing salary cap problems for a few years now, in spite of what some might say. This year, Woodley’s bad contract (made worse through restructures “to manage” ongoing cap problems) very well may cost the team another younger cheaper and potentially better player in Jason Worilds.

  • Douglas Andrews

    I’d make an attempt to keep Worilds and move Woodley inside. Then your set with your LB core. I know it sounds far fetched but Woodley is hurt too much to depend on him at OLB

  • Douglas Andrews

    Even if Suisham missed from that distance that motion/ botched fake gave the Ravens a momentum swing. It was huge at that point. Had he made that one it would have changed the game

  • Douglas Andrews

    Would have been smarter for the Steelers to make it a comfortable FG by gaining some yards on 3rd down

  • blackandgoldBullion

    It’s quite depressing when they can’t put 2-3 TE’s in the game near the goal line, because they can’t block OR catch (with Heath being the exception).

    I’m all for Sanders returning kicks. And why the hell was Felix returning that kick-off at the end? Lord in heaven, he runs in slow motion compared to the others! Let Wheaton play as he has much more top end speed for the deep passes, would definitely get more YAC, and so even if he were to make more mistakes for short term than Sanders, he would probably have produces much more and has great upside.

    Bell is definitely going to be excellent! Love this guy! Ever since I saw those highlights – good moves for a big guy.

    J Jones – If his Spinal Stenosis is not a big deal, why was he so weak in the Bench Press and other strength measures. My suspicion is that he may not be able to work out like a maniac because of his condition. I hope I am wrong, Hopefully he can have a great off season with a trainer and come back great next year. Right now he is rather invisible.

    And please remember that as long as Harrison was great Woodley seemed great. Without pressure from the right side, the pass rush is not very exciting. This obviously affects the whole defense. That’s probably why you see Polamalu playing all over and taking so many risks.

  • Douglas Andrews

    There’s a possibility they can keep Worilds. I’d tag him with the intention to work out a long term deal like they did with Max Starks a few years back. I’d either kick Woodley inside or try JJ at ILB where he seems to make more plays right now. Taylor and Polamalu would have to take significant pay cuts. I mean Troy is so bad in coverage now he has to play the LB spot in the dime defense? As far as Sanders Clark it’s been real but gotta move on. I’d bring back W Allen for depth and Special Teams but Sharks my starter. The DB’s aren’t really the problem it’s the lack of pass rush that’s killing this team now

  • Bell Cow

    You must be unemployed haha.

  • Berlusconi

    On a positive note, Sanders did mock Ray “Deer Antler” Lewis.

  • Douglas Andrews

    That one pass to bell on the outside was a rocket on a straight line. If Ben lobbed it Bell would have had nothing but grass in front of him. Even Collingsworth saw that one. This wasn’t a bad game for Ben but we needed him to be really good in this game.

  • Elijah Stevenson

    I agree the secondary is getting up there but they can still play, I say keep them a couple more years so we can have veteran leadership. I think William gay and cortez allen are great CB it’s just ike, we depend on him to cover the best WR on the opposing team one week he does well against AJ green the next time be gets destroyed by Calvin Johnson and Torry Smith I get tired of the inconsistency of him he should be up there with Revis and Sherman but he’s not

  • Douglas Andrews

    At first glance i thought he got in but on Slow motion you could see Heath’s knee down and the ball at the spot where they placed it. It would’ve been nice to get that TD there but just hoping L Bell is okay that looked scary.

  • steeltown

    No, very much employed. You must be young.

  • steeltown

    Yea but the tag for OLBs is like $9MIL+ they’d be better served to actually offer him a multi-yr deal with a low base salary initially. They really need to figure something out. With Woodleys injury issues and Jarvis being so young and raw we need solid depth

  • Rubem Dornas

    It’s a pity not to trust on another RB. Those two plays could be run plays by Dwyer. He is tough. Passing plays at the one yard line are much more difficult than running the ball.

  • Douglas Andrews

    I know i said the same thing why not bring in the Banger Dwyer. The problem with the 3rd down play was the execution. It was a good play call just a drop by W Johnson a former WR.

  • Josh Knepshield

    I don’t understand why everyone wants to give up on Clark. He has graded out positively in coverage, well above average. He has been a slight liability against the run, but we know he can hit. He is showing he has plenty left in the tank, speed was never his strong suit, but c’mon, I’d love it if the resigned him for another year or 2.

  • Rick M

    Good point. People talk about Khan as a salary cap guru. All he seems to do is re-structure contracts, accruing ‘dead money’ that puts the Steelers’ in a perpetual financial hole. There’s nothing ‘guru-ish’ about that at all.

  • HopalongCassidy

    Biggest losers….Steelers fans. Let’s face it, this is a mediocre team that needs more than a Band-Aid to fix. It is time to rebuild by dumping some older high priced players. They certainly are going nowhere with them on the roster. Sure, the Steelers may have to take a step back to be able to move forward but standing still for another year is no solution.

  • cencalsteeler

    I would add Danny Smith. How many times was the reverse on side kick practiced? It looked pathetic and not very polished, should’ve never pulled that one out. Who does a field goal attempt on a cadence? Why not motion? And why did we deviate from normalcy? Even if the timing was right, McBriars hold was terrible, for he was confused, too! Suisham wouldn’t have made it based on the hold alone. For those that know me, this is why I preach Gradkowski should be the holder. A bad snap play should be in place for these exact situations. You are putting a holder in there that has been with the team for only a few weeks and you see the results. Not only was it a game changer, but a possible playoff buster as well. Huge mistake!!!! The kickoff coverage was not good either.
    Ryan Clark is another loser. He gets ran over by Ray Rice and embarrassed. He comes back on the next Rice run, and lays the wood on Ray turning him sideways. Where has that play been all year Ryan? Obviously, you still have the ability to go out there and play good football, but you chose not to. Sad, just sad. I never thought Clark would go out this way.

  • Jay

    Emanuel single handedly lost us the game had three drops that were very catchable. I would bump up Markus Wheaton to the number 2 and Emanuel to the slot he’s not a good outside receiver at all. Jericho crotchety would be used in the red zone that’s it. Give Markus a chance

  • Steeler Fanatic

    I am losing it- if I was Art Rooney, I would tell Tomlin that if he and his coaches and players WASTE another timeout in the second half, they will be fined (half-joking). Our time management is flat out horrible. The two-point conversion play is not a gimme… and having three time outs gives the team a chance to put the Ravens three and out. .. we need an overhaul of our secondary… most importantly safety and Ike. We are NEVER NEVER AND NEVER around the ball to make a play. Why do the Seahawks and Pats, etc. always create turnovers. Give me the 15th best pass defense that creates turnovers. Ryan Clark is a sieve. Love what Ike has done, but he is slow.

  • Chris Maxwell

    Cortez Allen need to be on winners list.
    Two Td stops although they scored on the first.

  • Douglas Andrews

    Just a bandaid on the cap for one year fixes.

  • Douglas Andrews

    They would be better served to go with the multi year as far as the cap goes but I doubt Worilds will sign so instead of taking a chance i’d tag him and work out a long term contract. It would be a higher number on the cap if you can’t work out a long term deal, but you have the contracts of R Clark E Sanders and Kiesel off the books and you ask Troy and Ike to take significant pay cuts like they did with Harrison last year. I love those guys but time to move on if they don’t take less money. This defense could survive with average corners but without a pass rush were well below average. Seems to be the reason were giving up those big pass plays this year IMO.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    How many games has he won us. I agree he had a awful game but he has had some really good ones too.

  • Aric Brown

    cortez allen was repeatedly gettin torched though

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Seriously? How is he graded on pass support? He’s virtually never in a coverage situation, so I don’t know how he can be graded… he is always tackling guys down field. There is no way they resign him. He is a big mouth in the locker room and has been a liability for the past two years. How many picks has he had in these two years?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    No, he doesn’t. He got burned as often as not. The difference between two TD stops and getting burned deep was a matter of inches.

  • Steve

    I am with you on Ike and have been saying it all year. He has spots of playing good but is turning into a liability. Clark can’t tackle anymore and is too slow.

  • SteelersDepot

    how will you fit his tag under the cap? second, he controls bargaining at that point. It is not going to happen.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Why don’t you ask pro football focus. He has been very good in coverage this year. Speed has never been his strength, so him going into decline has been exaggerated. How was he a liability last year? Are you dumb? He was one of our best defensive players last year. How is he never in a coverage situation when he lines up deep almost half the time he is on the field? Shape up sir.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Ryan Clark is a top 15 safety this year according to pro football focus. How is he not covering anyone? He plays deep middle most of the time, so how would he cover anyone in the context you say? He is consistently above average. Yeah, he was in those games, but you ARE dumb if you think it was more on him than Polamalu or Ike. Ryan was not great in those games, but he held himself better than everyone else in the secondary. I am pretty sure we will resign him to a one or 2 yr deal, so you’ll just have to “put up” with his above average play for another year or 2, so, once again, shape up sir.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Josh, I appreciate your passion- Glad you glossed over Clark getting burned in the Patriot game. How many pass breakups does Ryan Clark have in help.. I don’t always look at the stats from PFF, sometimes it’s just the eye test. He won’t be back. You can think he’ll get a deal, but I don’t think he will. Shamarko will play alongside Troy next year. Or was Shamarko drafted as a backup to them both? (Yeah, the Steelers have that luxury… and Thomas ain’t playin corner).Now, to you point that Troy and Ike do have a major role in the Steelers giving up 600 yards in the Pats game. Troy seems to just be a roving linebacker who is constantly out of position and Ike, well Ike can’t catch a ball and seems to have lost a step. As I shape up :), can we agree their whole secondary has played a role in their defensive demise?

  • Josh Knepshield

    Yeah, I still wouldn’t say demise though. I don’t know how it’s possible, but they are still in the top 10 in Passing yards allowed. I like some pieces on this defense, Heyward, Timmons, Woodley(when he is healthy and not at lunch), Jarvis, McLendon, and Cortez. The pieces just have to come together. My bad, I’m still in a bad mood from pulling my hair out last night. Lol

  • Steeler Fanatic

    No worries… If we waste another timeout when we need it at the end, I’ll pull my hair out. I can’t harp too much on the D… LeBeau is a legend and they have been so good for so long. I worry about Woodley’s health… but I think we have found our next Aaron Smith, Cam Heyward. The light switch is on. Thanks for the good banter.

  • alex

    agreed, but in life were only as good as our last failure…

    less we forget the lame first half play calling!

  • CrazyTerry

    PFF doesnt look at every situation. I like PFF’s perspective to fill in the gaps, but they dont look at clutch situations. They just do overall game stat percentages. Ryan Clark does have two INTs this year which is far better than Ike. But he has not been a very good safety this year.

  • CrazyTerry

    Maybe they should make JJ a safety and Troy a LB!!!!! Heh heh

  • Douglas Andrews

    The Tag may not happen but it seems to me the only way the Steelers have a shot at keeping Worilds. Some team is going to overpay for him and he’s earned a good contract with his play. Steelers are gonna be in a pickle next season at OLB with virtually no depth behind Woodley and Jarvis Jones.

  • Josh Knepshield

    They watch EVERY snap, and grade the player with no bias. They grade the player for his performance on every snap, so I don’t know what you’re trying to say. He has been good in coverage this year

  • Shannon Stephenson

    TRUE

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