Jason La Canfora Thinks Steelers Will Lose Jason Worilds, Keep LaMarr Woodley

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports was a guest Tuesday on 93.7 The Fan and said he thinks the Pittsburgh Steelers will wind up keeping linebacker LaMarr Woodley, because he feels they’ll likely lose fellow linebacker Jason Worilds to another team in free agency.

“I don’t think they’re cutting Woodley,” La Canfora said. “They could do some things with Woodley’s contract to lower some of the cap ramifications, but yeah, I think there’s going to be a real strong market for Jason Worilds. I don’t think it’s limited to 3-4 teams, either. I think there are some 4-3 teams that are intrigued by him as well. I think he’s gone, I do. I think they’ll have a hard time retaining him.”

As has been mentioned in previous posts over the course of the last few days, the buzz about Worilds at the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine this past week has apparently been strong. On Tuesday, Adam Caplan suggested that Worilds’ market value will be an average of $6-$7 million per year. The Steelers, in my opinion, could easily accommodate those kind of numbers, so another team would likely have to be in the $8-$10 million per year average to sign him away. That’s not unthinkable, especially if the buzz about him is as strong as it appears to be.

As for Woodley, sure, the Steelers could ask him to take a pay cut in 2014 in order to lower his cap ramifications, but there’s no guarantee that he will. Woodley is scheduled to earn a $8 million base salary in 2014, so how much would he be willing to give back, if anything?

Even though Woodley’s been unable to stay on the field over the course of the last two and a half seasons, there would still likely be some sort of market for him if he were to be released. Not an $8 million market, mind you, but I bet there’s a team out there willing to pay him at least half of that to show he still has what it takes to get after the passer and stay healthy in the process. Would he give $4 million back to the Steelers in order to stay? Why would he if they lose Worilds? He would be holding all of the cards if that happened.

La Canfora also gave his thoughts on Steelers safety Troy Polamalu and his future with the team next season.

“I think Troy comes back,” he said. “He takes a hair cut and comes back for less money.”

I disagree with La Canfora here as I do not believe Polamalu is interested in taking a pay cut. In fact, I won’t be surprised if he is given a modest extension, instead.

The new league year begins two weeks from today, so we won’t have too much longer to wait to see how all of this eventually plays out.

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  • METAL_HAMMER

    Yeah, that’s just what we need. Sign a guy who gets injured every season and collects money while warming the bench, but don’t sign a guy who shows potential to become one of the best OLBs in the league. SMFH

  • Scotty

    Well that is potentially crappy if it turns out to be true. To keep an overpaid, oft-injured LB, older and fatter LB over one they drafted and groomed (yet again) is irritating. Another year of mediocre defense is all but guaranteed if you don’t make changes.

    EAT WOODLEY’S CONTRACT!

  • pat

    Im not sold on Worilds to be giving him that much he didnt produce until the 2nd half of this season Woodley will hurt more to cut than to keep I honestly thinking we will have a chance to bring Harrison back to be a good vet backup draft a LB and groom to take Woodleys spot but I believe Woodley will play great this yr and believe Ike is disappointed with his season and will train harder to give us 1 more great yr

  • Scotty

    Didn’t his production have something to do with him playing in Woodley’s spot (a side he’s more comfortable with??)

  • pat

    It was but thats because of his one move he’s got when he preforms that move on the other side puts him way behind the QB he also not sstrong against the run let him go before we over pay and regret this in 2 yrs

  • METAL_HAMMER

    They keep hoping Woodley will bounce back. He’s working out differently this off-season and is supposed to really be breaking his ass at it, but the fact is, he’s become injury prone. I kept telling myself that we need to keep him and that he would indeed bounce back, but he never did. He’d show up and play very well for a very short portion of the season, then he’d get some new injury or re-injure something already nagging. Sorry, but he needs to go if it means signing him will force Worilds out.

  • METAL_HAMMER

    @Pat: James Harrison is NOT coming back to the Steelers.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Assuming the following players go in the top 10 (in no particular order)–

    Bortles
    Clowney
    Manziel
    Teddy
    Sammy
    Robinson
    Mack
    Ebron
    Matthews
    Gilbert

    That means the next 5 could include any order/combo of: Barr, Mosley, HaHa/Pryor, Lewan, Dennard.

    Essentially, assuming that the aforementioned “Top 10″ end up going in the top 10 or even somewhere in the top 15 (before the Steelers pick), then the Steelers get AT LEAST ONE of the above players I mentioned. And if a team picking above the Steelers pulls a weird and/or stupid one (a’la Alualu, Irvin, etc), then even more adv for the Steelers.

    What does that mean? We get our choice of the #1-2 OLB, #1 ILB, #2-3 OT, and #1 S (#s refer to popular opinion and not necessarily my own). Think about the impact of that draft pick and position we have in accordance with the depth of the top 15. Someone is going to fall and we’re going to get A) a really good top/near-top rated player, B) at an impact position, and C) an area of relative need. Huge, huge, huge for us any way the draft shakes up.

    Bottom line – like our last few drafts (JJ, DeCastro, etc.) the player we get will be a player that “falls” to us. No reaches and only steals.

  • Nolrog

    This is probably the most likely scenario.

  • METAL_HAMMER

    I think Clowney will already be gone before we pick. Don’t be surprised if our first pick is a WR. I know, I know! We need DBs. Just don’t be surprised.

  • dkoy85

    Day late and a buck short.

  • Rick M

    I tend to agree with the consensus opinion on the board. If Woodley hasn’t been able to stay healthy for 3 straight years, there’s not a lot of optimism that he’ll be healthy throughout the 2014 season. He worked out harder last off-season, came to camp lighter and in better shape, and still had the dreaded calf issues.

    I absolutely hate rewarding ‘contract-year only’ performing players (Worilds). But the Steelers don’t seem to have a lot of choice. If they roll the dice, keep Woodley and he gets hurt again, the Steelers will be ‘up the creek without a paddle’ on the left side.

  • grw1960

    1-OLB Barr – likely gone . Run to the podium if still on the board.
    2 -CB Gilbert – hoping against hope he will be there. Run ,Run , Run
    3 – WR Mike Evens most likely to be there at 15 – Personal favorite
    4 – FS Ha-Ha Dix wouldn’t be upset at this pick
    5 – Trade down 4 – 7 spots take Fuller , Pryor or Hageman

  • JT

    While I agree with the overall consensus of your post very much, they can’t possibly take Lewan. Honestly, I think if they ever trade down it’ll be this year with the amount of lineman projected in the top half. Pipe dream. But so is Gilbert still being there so hopefully one of those things happen.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Sadly the Steelers seem more interested in keeping the senior citizens rather than the future. Hope this trend ends this year.

  • Steelers12328882

    No way Woodley takes a pay cut.

  • Derick L Young

    I think it started more so with fatty missing games. 11 of them the past 2 seasons I believe. PLUS Jason just plays on the left side. From what I have seen anyways.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Honestly I don’t know how you people think we need a WR as the first-rounder. It’s utterly mind-boggling actually. I do love your idea of trading down but the Steelers never do it. And Gilbert is overrated – see my comment in the open thread article about DBs today.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Lewan is the #2 OT in terms of technique and game-readiness. Greg Robinson took off after the Combine and his pass protection needs a LOT of work. And Gilbert is overrated – see my comment in the open thread article about DBs today.

  • JT

    Unless it’s Jake Matthews, they just don’t need an upgrade at OT THAT badly.

  • JohnB

    The potential was there for the other guy too. Remember that.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Are you mad? Adams and Gilbert are both extremely lazy and unmotivated. Gilbert can’t control his weight and is never in tip-top shape, and Adams remains horrible in technique despite I’m sure his being taught a billion times. Beachum, on the other hand, is an intelligent guy and gets hated on for his lack of athleticism but makes up for it with a better brain than Gilbert and Adams put together – why do you think he has had even half decent success on this OL with Adams and Gilbert in front of him? The NFL is almost as much a brains game as it is a physical game and our 2 starting OTs are dumbf*cks.

  • Rick M

    Completely agree that team management does not seem to understand – or they refuse to accept – that an athlete’s skills diminish once he hits 30 or more years of age. How else can you explain the ludicrous contract given to Taylor several years ago, the inane signing of guys like Plaxico Burris, etc.

    You are spot on to point out the age issue. Worilds turns 26 next week. Woodley turns 30 next November. Those four additional ‘prime’ years for Worilds should definitely be considered in making a final decision as to who to try to keep.

  • STEELERS

    We have to remember, at the end of the day it’s business. They’ll lose money if they cut Woodley. Ugh! He needs to go! As much as I love him, we need Worlids. Woodley just isn’t up to par anymore!

  • chris ward

    Can’t wait to see how the Woodley/Worilds situation plays out. Woodley’s issues with durability the past 3 seasons have put the Steelers in a tough spot, with Worilds coming on in his 4th year, with 8 sacks and strong performances on the left side in the second half of the year.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    You can’t overpay worlds and the best answer might be woodly if he’ll take a little less or at least make some of his salary contingent.

    The other factor I haven’t seen mentioned yet is worlds would get us a comp pick. Maybe a nice one. Woodly will not.

  • shawn

    Proves once again you are a “novato” … Gilbert was easily the best CB at the Combine and will be a playmaker in the NFL … and the people that actually put up this site and do the podcast are very high as many people are in taking a WR/Big TE in the 1st round. We want it because its LOGICAL …..

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Do you feel compelled to answer my posts despite my having told you a thousand times not to? Are you sure that you can read English? Then read this: GET YOUR POINTLESS DRIVEL OUT OF MY REPLIES YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF TRASH.

  • SteelersDepot

    I am about done with you two. Consider this a final warning.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    You don’t have to warn me about replying to his posts. Just vice-versa. I have told him a thousand times.

  • SteelersDepot

    I don’t care, enough. No time to babysit you two.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Just make sure to explicitly give him the same warning as you gave me.

  • SteelersDepot

    What part of “you two” did you not understand?

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Uh, I didn’t see from previous posts that the message was sent to him. Have to be explicit with some people.

  • steelster

    yes, mendenhall fell to us.

  • Rob

    I think the top 14 will play out as follows, not necessarily in this order

    1) Jadeveon Clowney
    2) Bruce Matthews
    3) Greg Robinson
    4) Teddy Bridgewater
    5) Johnny Manziel
    6) Blake Bortles
    7) Derek Carr
    8) Sammy Watkins
    9) Anthony Barr
    10) Khali Mack
    11) Mike Evans
    12) Tyler Lewen
    13) Justin Gilbert
    14) Eric Ebron

    Maybe substitute Mosley for Carr… I still think someone reaches though–they always do.

    If it happens like this we should trade back and take Clinton-Dixon, Pyror, or hagemen. Ideally I still want Mack or Barr and to be free of the woodley-woirlds drama. This is why they should have free agency after the draft.

  • NimbusHex

    Please don’t let this happen, Woodley had a great rookie season but has since become garbage. Worilds is the next Harrison.

  • Louis Goetz

    For the life of me I don’t understand how Jason Worilds has become a valued free agent. In 15 games he had 43 tackles, 20 assists, 8 sacks &2 forced fumbles. The lion’s share of his production came in 4 games (Wks. 6, 7, 13 & 14) where he amassed 25 tackles, 5 assists, 5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles. That means the other 11 games resulted in only 18 tackles, 15 assists, & 3 sacks. He had 3 or less tackles in 9 games. In 3 games he failed to register a single tackle. When the Steelers decided to part ways with James Harrison they didn’t promote Jason Worilds, they spent their 1st round pick on Jarvis Jones. Someone please explain to me what’s so intriguing about Jason Worilds?! if he’s the best OLB in free agency there simply are no OLBs in free agency this year.

  • tim

    Idk if ANYONE will agree with me here but….IMO the thing to do is, sign Worllds, he’d get less than Wood’s base of $8mil/ year so maybe what, $5/$6 mil and id trade Wood….now I KNOW you wouldn’t get what his contract is worth back from a team BUT may you get some pick/s or someone of a little worth…but at least you dont eat Woods contract and you sign and start Worllds for less so you save a Iittle more on the cap so then maybe you can spend some a a FA SOMETHING….but seems we can sign two players for the price of one if the cards were played right…ok im ready to get killed here lol

  • Tom

    Considering that Bruce Matthews is 52 years old, I would bet that he won’t be in the top 14.

  • Rob

    Ha… I’d still play him over Gilbert. Obviously, I meant jake Matthews–nice catch though

  • 243546

    It shouldn’t be hard to get Woodley to take a pay cut, especially seeing the way the James Harrison situation was handled. It appears that the Steelers had a much better understanding of Harrison’s market value than his agent did. What the team was offering was really a win win. The team would have been able to afford Harrison, and Harrison would have put a lot more money in his pocket compared to what he was able to get in free agency. Plus, he at least had an opportunity to make the money back through incentives.

    The Steelers can offer Woodley slightly more than what they predict the market will pay, and the $4M number is probably in the ball park. Sure, Woodley could take his chances in FA. If he gets an offer bigger than $4M, will it be significantly more, to the point where it’s worth taking the risk of getting paid a lot less than what the Steelers offer? I wonder what James Harrison would say?

  • 243546

    Greg Robinson took off a long time ago. He had already jumped Matthews on a number of draft sites.

  • Jason White

    That’s been my argument. I like Woodley and I very much would like to see him come back from this but I’m not sure the risk of being up that creek on the U.S.S. Diarrhea is worth it. One of the biggest reasons the Steelers have been 8-8 the last 2 seasons is because they have not had consistent production from the OLBs. Woodley is often injured and even when he is in the game you wouldn’t really notice. Jarvis Jones will continue to improve but he is gonna need to have a competent counterpart on the other side. I hear some people saying we should let Worilds walk and start Chris Carter. I’d like to ask those people if the other people on the short bus agree with that analysis. Chris Carter has shown nothing, absolutely nothing and to think Worilds is not worth resigning is absolutely absurd. Fix the defense and the Steelers will improve to double digit wins, ignore it and brave another 8-8 or worse type of season. I for one am tired of the Bengals and Ravens enjoying being at the top of the division and getting to be in the playoffs over the Steelers.

  • grw1960

    You say need,
    In the first 2 rounds ,I say who is the best available and among those.
    Which player will most most likely impact the Steelers seasons right away in 2014 and beyond.

  • Nolrog

    The trend ended like 3 years ago. In that time,they let Aaron Smith, Harrison, Hines, Farrior, Casey Hampton go (maybe more that I can’t think of), and this year it looks like Ryan Clark will not be back and maybe Kiesel as well. And as for Woodley, he’s 29 years old. That’s not a senior citizen. That’s in the middle of his prime.

  • Nolrog

    Sometimes it’s best to eat a sunk cost so that you can move on and improve. That may be the case here.

  • Nolrog

    The way I understand it, if you trade him the entire cap hit comes immediately; they would not be able to spread it out over 2 years like they could if he was designated a post-June 1 cut. That makes trading him much harder (not impossible,but harder.)

  • dkoy85

    Like… ummm… you?

  • dkoy85

    They brought in Munchak to work with the young high pick OT’s for another year. I agree with JT, unless Matthews falls I think we pass on an OT with our first pick. If they don’t pan out this year it’s not the coaches, it’s the players- THEN they’ll grab an OT.

  • Rick M

    Sorry, but if you think 30 is the ‘middle of your prime’ you’re wrong. That suggests you’re at the end of your “prime” years at 33 or 34 and that just isn’t true – as all of the players you listed (and Ike Taylor and Ryan Clark) have demonstrated.

    Players can still be effective at 30-32. But they are hardly in the “middle” of their prime years, and they both lose speed against younger players and they are more susceptible to injury. DeMarcus Ware at 31 years of age in 2013 – nagging injuries or no nagging injuries – is a mere shadow of the player he was at 26 or 27. There is no way in the world that he is in the middle of his prime in terms of strength and speed.

  • Chad H

    What? Only a rookie season? You don’t have a clue.

  • steeltown

    Risk/Reward situation…

    I think of it this way, I’d rather pay 26yr old Worilds $40MIL for the next 5yrs of service rather than pay the soon to be 30yr old Woodley the same amount for the next 3yrs of service… because lets be honest, if Worilds is not re-signed we’re stuck with Woodley for the foreseeable future due to lack of depth

  • pat

    I agree but the problems is I think Woodley is on the team due to the dead money unless there is a way to trade him being that he will redo his contract for the team trading for him if not I dont see it possible to keep both. We sure aint going to pay Woodley his contact not to be starting

  • Jason White

    And what’s this garbage I keep seeing people type about wanting James Harrison to return? James Harrison is done. Certainly done with the Steelers and possibly done with the Bengals as well. The Steelers need to get younger not older. Might as well contact James Farrior and Aaron Smith and ask them if they want their jobs back. I wonder if Mean Joe Greene is busy these days.

  • treeher

    I keep remembering that J Harrison didn’t really produce until his 4th year and then he turned monster. I have to think there is terrific upside to Worilds for the next 4+ years and I see nothing but declining performance from Woodley EVEN IF he is healthy. Of course, we were all very happy when we locked up Woodley, thinking we had a stud for the future and then we didn’t. So I’d pay Worilds and just hope that we can sign him for a contract that won’t kill us, like Woodley’s is going to do.

  • ATL96STEELER

    You’re right about JH’s value on the open market, but imo apples and oranges…Woodley’s contract is far more toxic if released…I’m still thinking that Woodley if healthy (and of course that’s a BIG if now) is a better player than Worilds and I’d like to have him back at the right price, but I think he has more leverage than JH did.

  • srdan

    Why would woodley take less money?

  • treeher

    Scout reports on JJ were that he doesn’t have the frame to bulk up like they say he needs to – the same thing might be true of Woodley. He’s huge, and the soft tissue injuries might indicate that he just cannot maintain that bulk, ESPECIALLY as he passes 30 years old.

  • steeltown

    Sign him with no intention of restructuring, that way if for some reason it doesn’t work out we could get out from under the deal as early as 2016 with very little dead money ramifications

  • srdan

    It’s not only an age issue, Worldis doesn’t have the mileage either. He sat for a while while Woodley started playing immediately. Plus i believe that Woodleys build does not allow him to heal fast enough. Doesn’t sound scientific, but when he gets injured it nags him for the rest of the year.

    Worldis play last year when he got switched to his natural side was the best play I have seen at OLB since Harrisons MVP year. IMO. Correct me if I am wrong, but he had the most hurries in the league despite not starting all year. He created havoc all game long. I think he played better than Woodley ever did for a 8-10 game stretch.

    We can’t afford to lose Worldis and Lewis in consecutive years. That is a big shot in the gut for a team that is built on grooming talent.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Steel….I agree with you…even though I think Woodley is probably still the better player, but healthwise it makes sense to look to the younger player…the issue I see is the cost to get rid of Woodley.

  • steeltown

    Yep.. losing Lewis and now Worilds is just plan bad business

    Worilds did go on a tear, he had 7sacks in 8games and led the League with 20or 21 QB hits over that span

  • ATL96STEELER

    Not a C-Dix fan, but I do like Pryor and you agree with you that Barr or Mack would allow us to move on from Worilds…Woodley…I just don’t see them biting the poison pill on his contract, not this year.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Lewan might be more ready to play LT next week if you will, but Robinson has the mean streak you want in a dominating type OL…I would not take an OL @ 15 but if that is the direction Robinson would be my pick.

  • srdan

    I am not sure how you so easily label players as “lazy and unmotivated”. Gilbert battled a nagging injury to stay on the field. at the end of the season earned praise from his teammates. That is what a good young leader does. Gilbert has a round face which is misleading. I have seen him in person, he was not out of shape, but his face looked like he was allergic to something that day, lol.

    Adams has not had a full off season yet. For someone that was considered a project coming into the draft, that is a big setback.

    I think the steelers outlook is closer to mine than yours which was cemented by the hire of Munchak. If they thought it was gilbert and adams being lazy, they would not have gotten a new coach, rather kept the same one and got new players.

  • srdan

    I like it. No need to trade back. Just thake BPA at that point.

  • srdan

    We lost a lot of games by a few points, and we didn’t finish drives with TDs. That can be greatly aided by a tall redzone target. This is undoubtedly a dimension that is missing in our offense. I could easily see a tall WR or TE in the first.

  • cencalsteeler

    If we haven’t learned our lesson by keeping Ike and losing Lewis, then shame on us. The Worilds/Woodley scenario is the exact same thing. It’s a simple equation. Who’s arrow is pointing up and who’s arrow is pointing down. Sign the guy who’s arrow is pointing up.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    It depends.

    He might take less of a guarantee if he could keep the current contract as achievable options.

    He might take less in exchange for not getting cut

    It’s hard to say for sure but I would think most if not all teams would hesitate to pay him what he is due to earn this year and he might be better off hitting the market next year if he can get 6 mil from the Steelers for this season.

  • srdan

    I agree.

    The Lewis scenario was a bit different only because he wanted to go to NO and we have a young talented Cortez waiting to take the baton. If Worldis leaves there is nobody being groomed to even remotely resemble the Cortez situation. It would be more devastating than Lewis.

    The other thing it would do is force the FO hand in the draft. I wouldnt be surprised to see a trade up at that point to make a play on mack or barr.

  • cencalsteeler

    True. If we lose Worilds, I’ll throw my arms in the air. Request that Woodley eat whatever he wants. Slide him down next to McClendon and hope for Mack or Barr as you stated.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Don’t forget about free agency.

    Experienced players ready to start.

  • cencalsteeler

    I don’t think the Steelers would be facing this dilemma if we went to a base salary with bonuses based on performance.

  • srdan

    Eric, I don’t agree.

    He is guarnateed 13 or so mill this year. Why would he let the FO chop that up into “achievable options” when the way it sits now he can simply pull a hammy in week one and get the entire pie?

    You may be right that nobody would be willing to pay him the full 13. Keep in mind that 6 of that is a bonus. From his point of view: All teams have an increased salary cap this year, that means more money to go around. All teams need a better pass rush and he was good at that when he played. I think he would bet that another team would take a chance on him, and give him even more guaranteed money (inluding the money the steelers are on the hook for).

    In my opinion he would be extatic to be on the street this year unless he is a big fan of Primantis cole slaw lol.

  • srdan

    The other top pass rusher is Orakpo who will get more than Worldis and has an owner that loves to spend. I don’t see it.

    Clark, Farrior and Bettis all come to mind when you mention FAs that come in and contribute right away on this team. Which I would assume would be a stipulation. The way the team is run I find it unlikely that we would get a valuable OLB free agent. I don’t even think there are any if they are calling Sylvester a good FA.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    I don’t think he is guaranteed a penny at this point.

    If he gets cut how much will he make given recent history?

  • cencalsteeler

    Not a lot of olb fa’s out there. That’s why Worilds stock is rising. Wouldn’t make sense to grab a fa when Worilds has been groomed in our system for the last several years. If they approach someone through fa, my hunch is it will be a wr or secondary help. If they address secondary in fa, then they should draft wr or vice versa.

  • srdan

    This may be where our points of view are different. He is guaranteed a boat load of money from the Steelers. If he gets cut before June 1st our salary cap is hit with about 15 mill, after that I think it’s only 5 or 6. Someone correct me!

    People pay Steeler linebackers. He woudlnt get what he is getting in salary from teh steelers, on that I agree. But for all intents and purposes he would make more money a year even getting paid less by another team, because the steelers are essentially subsidizing his salary through botched extensions.

    That’s not really whats going on, but in simple terms that is what it boils down to.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Woolley’s contract has nothing to do with our points of view. The cap hit you refer to is his original signing bonus. We get hit with that if he is here or not.

  • srdan

    But what did you mean by “he is not guaranteed a penny at this point?” I thougth maybe you misunderstood the bonuses.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    It doesn’t make sense to give him elite money because he has been pretty good in a linebacker friendly system.

    I would pay him well and hope he stays. I just wouldn’t overpay fearing an inability to fill the position with a good player for 5 mil or so.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    If you cut him today he doesn’t get paid anything.

    The cap hit just relates to what the NFL will allow the team to spend on other players.

  • Kilroy

    How in God’s name could Woodley be the answer to anything? He can’t even stay on the field. He is bloody awful.

  • Kilroy

    This^
    Woodley is DEAD WOOD now. Jettison him.

  • Kilroy

    But you’re sold on Woodley who can’t stay on the field? And Jarvis Jones who has shown absolutely nothing up to now?
    Woodley and Harrison? This isn’t 2008. You’re delusional.

  • Kilroy

    [sarco] Yes because the Steelers are always players in free agency. [/sarco]

  • Steve

    Bettis was traded for an not a free agent.

  • Alan Felicia

    Great points. The problem now is what would type of offer will prevent Worilds from leaving. Don’t wanna overpay! Plus, what guarantees do Pittsburgh have that Worilds will continue to play the same level he did in 8-9 games in 2013.

  • Steve

    Steelers need to do this more. They give players these BIG contracts and the players get hurt and don’t produce.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Sounds good but the CBA won’t allow incentive laden contracts. Stuff like making the pro bowl, yes. But, a contract with a base of $2 mil…then you get $1mil extra for 10 sacks, $1.5 mil for 15, etc….no can do.

  • cencalsteeler

    Steve. Let’s think about this a second. Let’s say the Steelers implement this new contract scenario where everyone gets a performance based salary. This would weed out the Mike Wallaces and such and attract players that want to play football and win championships just by structuring your payroll this way. The current structure is similar to an employee who makes X amount per hour, who has insurance, enough to pay the mortgage, and live an ok life. The latter structure would be similar to a salesman or a business owner. The more you do, the more you make. The way it is now, Woodley sat the pine collecting big checks the last few games while I would have rather seen that distributed amongst the guys that put in effort like Cody Wallace. If the Steelers were to go this route and be cutting edge, not only would they eliminate the money hungry players, they would also gain more control of the players. The way I see it, in todays NFL, the players are gaining the upper hand on ownership and dictating the negotiating which, IMO, is going backwards. Performance based packages are a win win for the players, the fans, and the organization.

  • pat

    I said Harrison as a back up

  • cencalsteeler

    Well, I admit I’m not up on the rules of the CBA, but the system is broken if you can’t take that approach, IMO. The current system looks to heavily favor the players if that is the case.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Good topic…Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The current system rewards your past performance…the player may or may not sustain that level of performance into the new contract. When they don’t, the team simply releases the player.

    As long as teams have that out, the system works…it doesn’t work when teams need cap space and they restructure players already under-contract (essentially guaranteeing them more money) and performance then falls off…the team is on the hook for a player that’s under-performing relative to his contract.

    That said, the NFL still has the most team friendly contract of the 4 major team sports.

    You might remember an old MLB owner Charlie Finley. He wanted to have 1 yr contracts and every year players would be FAs…well, that never got off the ground…players nor the other owners liked it.

    But…if NFL teams had the same 4 to 5 yr rights to a player, 1yr value based off draft position…every yr following is based on the performance of the previous season…I would use criteria such as snaps played, penalties, etc. Other criteria such as receptions, tackles, etc is not always 100% under the control of the player.

    With this system…a player like Mike Wallace who outperformed his 1st year or so is automatically rewarded without waiting for his rookie contract to mature…and vice versa for a player like Woodley who has under-performed.

    Never gonna happen, but…

  • METAL_HAMMER

    Not going to happen.

  • Steve

    I could live nicely with 5 mil in my bank account.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    To a point yes. Last year we chose to keep Ike who is making a lot more then Keenan Lewis is and Keenan will be around a lot longer. The problems we have had drafting and we allow young starters to leave…that is a poor sign.