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Report: North Carolina TE Eric Ebron Didn’t Look Good At His Tuesday Pro Day


So, are you one of several people hoping the Pittsburgh Steelers draft North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron in the first round of the 2014 NFL Draft? If you are, you might want to close your browser right now.

According to Tony Pauline of draftinsider.net, Ebron’s Tuesday Pro Day didn’t go so well. Pauline goes on to say that the 6’4″ tight end dropped a number of passes during the day and looked poor in drills to boot.

Unless Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert changed his schedule, he was present to see Ebron poor showing firsthand.

While Ebron might very well be drafted somewhere in the first round come May, 15th overall appears to be too high for him. While he can function as an in-line blocker, he has a lot of room for improvement in that area. In addition, it appears as though he could use some improvement as a pass catcher as well.

During his college career, Ebron registered 112 catches for 1,805 yards and eight touchdowns.

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  • steeltown

    Someone will fall to us… I hope, because if not it sure appears like most of the top athletes that are intriguing are mid 20’s and/or late 1st Rd type prospects.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Good. That means he’s more likely to fall to us 1.15.

    I would love for 14 other teams to downgrade him based on one bad day.

  • Jason White

    Yep. I am sure he could be a candidate for a pre-draft visit.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    He was high on my list until the combine where he dropped out of the first half.

  • Kenneth Wilt

    I have said this in multiple places, I honestly like Seferian-Jenkins as a better fit for us. He may not be better overall, but I think for us he fits better.

  • srdan

    what makes you think he is a better fit for the steelers?

  • blackandgoldBullion

    Good question. Is ASJ a better blocker? I’m sure he is slower and won’t make as many circus catches as Ebron makes. I still think Ebron will be great. Maybe they can pick him up in the 2nd round. It may seem absurd right now, but stranger things have happened.

  • srdan

    Yeah, that is what I was getting at. Just because a tighend blocks well, doesn’t make him a good fit for the steelers. We have that on the roster already, we need a tightend that can stretch the field and score in the redzone. Not someone that can block a LB well on 2nd and 7.

  • steeltown

    We need both

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    In my opinion, ASJ has some serious red flags…

    1) Speed. If being big and slow and running mediocre routes and having trouble getting separation is a Steeler fit then sign him up. We certainly have plenty of those on our roster right now.

    2) Injuries. If being hurt and not being able to run at the combine or his pro day and undergoing foot surgery is a good Steelers fit then sign him up.

    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/08/26/washington-te-austin-seferian-jenkins-not-cleared-from-injury-for-opener-vs-no/

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330089/article/report-austin-seferianjenkins-to-miss-pro-day-after-surgery

    3) Character. If DUI convictions and rumored attitude issues are a Steelers fit then sign him up for those traits too.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    The real mistake is to fall in love with a player who wows at his pro day or the combine, while ignoring his mediocre tape. Does a bad pro day negate this man’s college career? Not in my mind.

    Besides, this is exactly what pre-draft visits and private workouts are for.

  • Brian Tollini

    Well said.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    Yup. Go have a look at his highlight reels — truly spectacular.

  • Will Hammer

    they don’t need a TE now . Corner or WO in the 1st… Depending on who;s there

  • StrengthOfVictory

    The idea (with Ebron) is that he’d serve as more of a hybrid TE/WR. You can run two-TE sets with him and Miller, or split him out wide the way Cincy does with Eifert and NO does with Graham. Then pick up a WR in the later rounds.

  • harding36

    Ebron had drops in games too, so this isn’t really a surprise.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I have to slightly disagree.

    We have Cortez Allen (#1 CB starter) and Willie Gay (#2 CB starter now but should be #3 or #4) and Ike Taylor (#2 or #3 CB). We don’t need the rookie CB to start this year. We need him to start in 2015.

    We have Antonio Brown (#1 WR starter) (pro bowler) and Marcus Wheaton (#2 or #3 WR starter) and now Lance Moore (#2 or #3 WR). A rookie WR is probably not going to start over Wheaton or Moore this year. We need him to start in 2015.

    At TE we have Heath Miller as our starter in 2014. But whereas Cortez Allen and Antonio Brown are young and on the rise, Miller is old and on the decline. There is speculation this could be his last year as a starter.

    Behind Miller we have nothing but scrubs. We saw how our offense looked without him last year. We started 0-4. Should he get injured (which is much more likely as one gets older) we are up a creek. Again.

    Lastly, Ebron is not a TE. He’s a TE/WR. He could see the field this year as a hybrid TE in double TE sets and split out wide as a 3rd or 4th WR.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    So does Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, Rob Gronkowski, etc., etc., etc.

  • steeltown

    Yea the Steelers love when good players have poor combines and pro days… just increases the chances of landing a top athlete

  • harding36

    The problem with Ebron is that his pro day has now confirmed what the tape shows; i.e. that he short arms balls, has concentration lapses, is not a great route runner. He may very well have a fine NFL career, but the on-field red flags are real. He’s a high risk, high reward prospect.

  • harding36

    Sure, everyone will occasionally drop a ball. But Ebron’s drops are more frequent than any of the guys you listed. I don’t dislike him, and I appreciate that he’s a unique talent, but he drops too many balls. He just does. Maybe it can be fixed; maybe it can’t.

  • Steelers58

    Enron is a waste! Always take the BPA that fits our scheme. Enron is not the type of player ie te that we draft. Get over him already.

  • Doug Sawyer

    Kelvin Benjamin

  • Doug Sawyer

    Spaeth is not a scrub…Pittsburgh is fine at TE if we need to add someone we can get an Owen Daniels after June money frees up

  • afrazier9

    Nicholas from ND would be better for us and we could probably get him in the third

  • Doug Sawyer

    agree,but it might be even later than the third we get him

  • T R

    No he wont get pass Ravens or Patriots.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46280/349/peshek-te-metrics

    Here are some actual stats. Ebron drops about 11% of the passes thrown his way. The average drop rate for a receiving TE is about 8%. So out of 30 passes thrown to him he drops 1 pass more than the average TE. In my opinion that is not “drops too many balls” for a TE.

    But you also have to look at the types of passes and where he lines up. Ebron is lining up in the slot 72% of the time. That means he’s being covered by a CB or S in a dime package a lot of the time. So his routes are running full speed to gain separation instead of lumbering into the soft spot of a zone against LB’s and waiting stationary for a pass. Big difference.

    The thing that the anti-Ebron people are conveniently omitting is that Ebron is faster, a better route runner, and more explosive after the catch than any TE in the draft (and most TE’s in the NFL right now). He is an impact playmaker that defenses must double (or at least shade extra coverage) which opens things up for other receivers and our run game. The other TE’s don’t give you that.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Agree to disagree.

    We let Spaeth go (and we loved him more than anybody). Then the Bears (who needed a TE desperately) cut him.

    He ran a 4.83 forty at the combine with poor agility numbers. I’m sorry, but he’s not a receiving threat.

    He’s a decent blocker but often gets out leveraged or loses his balance due to his height and lack of core strength.

    Most of all, he has not improved much over his 7 years in the league and shows very little upside now.

    To me that is a “scrub”. At best he is a career back up.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    A waste huh? Apparently the Steelers disagree with you because they’ve been scouting him. But we’ll take your word for it…

    Hey Steeler Nation! Everybody get over Ebron because Steelers58 thinks he’s a waste!

  • SFIC

    Ebron is more of an athlete than a football player. He will make mistakes and try to rely on his physical abilities. He has upside, but there’s risk there too. That’s why I’ve always ranked Amaro over him. I could care less about what those so-called mock experts say. I watched a lot of film on both and IMO Amaro will be better NFL player. As for which TE is a better “fit”, I would have Amaro (slot) and Heath (inline) on the field at the same time….Brown, Wheaton, Bell, Heath and Amaro on the field together.

  • steeltown

    Chicago signed TE Martellus Bennett and drafted TE and released Kellen Davis and Spaeth to save cap. Spaeth is one of the better blocking TEs in the League, he’s far from a scrub. Its clear Ebron is an elite athlete but there’s really no need to bash current NFL players in light of someone who has never played a down in the pros.

  • Doug Sawyer

    or He was behind a Pro Bowl TE in Pittsburgh most of his career.He was the John Mackey award winner coming into the draft…In which we took him in the 3rd…On a team that had Holmes Wallace Brown Ward Sanders…that’s called languishing on the depth cart…not scrub

  • Doug Sawyer

    to call him a scrub to further this stupid talk of drafting Ebron is lame

  • Pete Johnson

    Reminds me of last year when Dave said Jones wasn’t worth the 17th pick, and wrote almost the same type of thing before the draft. And what do you know the Steelers went out and picked him anyway. So far we see who was right on that one.

  • SFIC

    I like him. He doesn’t have a high ceiling, but his floor could be as high as Ebron imo.

  • SFIC

    You gotta’ give Jones (and all draft picks for that matter) at least a couple of years before making that statement……”so far” or not

  • steeltown

    .

  • harding36

    Not to pick a fight here, but your stats actually prove my point. You’re comparing a guy that you want to take with the 15th overall pick to an “average” TE in terms of drops. And Ebron STILL drops more passes than what you describe as an “average” TE. To me, when we’re talking about taking someone with the 15th pick in the draft, that player should have a better catch percentage than an “average” TE by a wide margin. And Ebron doesn’t. He actually has a worse percentage. It doesn’t make any sense to argue that Ebron doesn’t drop too many balls because his drop percentage is only a little below average. A drop percentage that is a little below average for a top 15 pick means that he drops too many balls. Top 15 picks should have elite hands, in my opinion; not slightly below average hands that you’re willing to excuse because his routes are different.

  • MJD

    Why does no one realize the most glaring need we have is a nose tackle. Without one we have severely lost our pass rush, which in turn makes our corners look bad when the QB has all day to pick apart the secondary. I know a nose tackle isnt a sexy pick but its the right one.

  • Doug Sawyer

    In a 3-4 you don’t drive pass rush from your three down linemen,you get a pass rush from a LB shooting a gap.Pittsburgh needs a big body to hold up at the point of attack to get those gaps…You don’t need a top pick for that.A guy like McCullers from Tenn will fit that job fine and can be had in the 4th round

  • Paddy

    Is there a NT out there that can rush the passer, catch passes and drop in coverage?

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    “Spaeth is one of the better blocking TE’s in the NFL”?

    Sorry. I completely disagree. He is a solid blocker but you’re way overstating.

    It’s not bashing it’s telling the truth. The Steelers did not think Spaeth was worth it to re-sign him. You cannot argue with that. The Steelers knew him better than me or you or anybody saw him every day and they did not value his “best in the NFL blocking” enough to pay him back up money.

    Then the Bears who need a TE desperately would rather cut him than pay the $1.5 million. How good could he be?

    The only reason he came back to the Steelers was that Heath got hurt. Otherwise we don’t even want him. And we LOVE blocking TE’s.

    If you would like to pale a wager on Ebron’s NFL production vs Spaeth’s NFL production I’m open. You name the amount?

  • 243546

    Ebron dropped a lot of passes. In other words, his pro day matches his film.

  • Nick Sabatella

    NTs in the Steelers scheme never get pressure…… remember Casey Hampton?
    Not worth the high pick

  • Nick Sabatella

    I really think the Steelers were hoping to take Star Loutelelei or Kenny Vaccarro. I still don’t understand why Jones’ college highlights were so revered…. go back and look at the highlights, it seems like he rarely physically beats lineman, he just has a high motor.

  • 243546

    Ebron drops a lot of balls. He’s almost Sweed-like.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    MJD I 100% agree with you. We need a stud NT. But the great ones are very hard to find and very expensive to keep. What we don’t need is another average/bust/journeyman NT. That does us no good.

    I don’t see any elite NT’s in this year’s draft. To me, Justin Ellis is about the same as Louis Nix as far as athleticism and power. Nix has a better skill set but is injury prone and doesn’t draw double teams the way we need.

    If there was a Haloti Ngata or a Dontari Poe in this year’s draft we would leap at the chance. But there is no guy like that.

  • 243546

    Eifert was a better prospect last year. Same speed, same athleticism, same blocking issues, just taller.

    Ebron isn’t the elite athlete he’s being hyped up to be. A lot of NFL DB’s are going to be able to handle him man to man. I hope the Ravens get him, because Cortez Allen would shut Ebron down.

  • Paul Hoover

    Heeey !!! We have Speath !!! He’s a very good TE … And was hurt along side of miller last year that’s another reason we went 0-4 start… But what’s the chances of them getting hurt at the same time again ? I think it was a one of those odd things .. But we should start thinking about getting younger and faster hybrid there so they can learn from the best ( Heath ) !!

  • steeltown

    Two yrs ago PFF graded Spaeth as the NFL’s TOP run blocker at TE

  • SteelersDepot

    Too funny. The person knocking Benjamin for drops is now defending Ebron’s drops. Biased much? Also, Spaeth is a solid blocking tight end.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    “A lot”? Do you even know the stats?

    Look below. I just posted them.

    He has 3% more drops than average. That’s 1 more drop every 30 passes. You should read up before posting.

  • 243546

    Great point, especially when we’re talking about a receiving TE. It would be easier to over look the drops if he had Gronks blocking ability, Vernon Davis’s speed, or Jimmy Graham’s length. He has none of those.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Ha!… Whatever dude.

  • Chris Ranieri

    I thought Enron went down in like ’01?

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    PFF is highly inaccurate. That has been discussed on multiple occasions on multiple boards.

    If you’d like we can do a snap by snap review of some of his past games. I don’t know if it’s worth the time though.

    If you’d like to wager on Ebron, I’m still open?

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    LOL

  • METAL_HAMMER

    Wait until next year or at least late in the draft to pick up a TE. Heath will do a fine job of blocking as usual and if he gets hurt we have decent backup there. Spaeth as a #2 TE and Palmer at #3 should be enough. We have other more important needs right now. Depth on the DL and the OL is what we need to concentrate on the most. Maybe we should try and pick up another Center. One more of our own guys falls into a teammate and they’ll all start falling like a row of dominoes again. We’re getting stacked-up at the LB positions. That’s a good start for the defense, but we need to get more depth at other positions. We got rid of Clark and don’t think just because we picked up Mitchell that he’s going to jump right into the defense and be a major contributor at first. He has NFL experience, but he’ll need to learn the ropes of the Steelers defense just like everybody else and if he happens to get injured, well, we’d better get some depth at the safety position. As everyone knows, unlike the Steelers defenses of the past, they’ve been sorely lacking in the turnover department and unless we can get many more than we have over the last two seasons, we’ll be in trouble once again. Let’s get a couple of DBs for the defense as well. Taylor isn’t getting any younger. How about another CB?We’re looking pretty good in the WR department now with the pick up of Moore added to the mix and I still think Moye can be a factor if he gets a chance to play a lot more than he did last season. We can worry about getting another TE later.

  • MJD

    I’m sorry but i hope you are either kidding or misunderstand. Casey Hampton easily should be in the hall of fame. He was dominate for ten years and the anchor of our defense. We had a countless number of linebackers come in an exceed expectations because of him. Dick LeBeau and numerous other defensive coordinators have said the NT is the most important part of the 3-4.

  • MJD

    StarSpangledSteeler I def agree with both your points. I don’t know if there is an above average NT in the draft, but it must be addressed and not with journeyman as you stated.

    There is so much depth at WR and CB in the draft we can find players who fit our system throughout the draft.

  • MJD

    Casey Hampton Should be in the hall of fame.

  • steeltown

    I like Ryan Carrethers from Ark St, maybe in the 5th

  • SteelersDepot

    because it is not one.

  • steeltown

    I’ll agree sometimes PFF can be inaccurate but not when it comes to blocking. Never the less, you’re impossible to debate with.. moving on

  • Nick Sabatella

    Let me clarify…. Casey Hampton was a fantastic Steeler and player…..he was not the reason why the Steelers had a successful pass rush, or a strong pass rusher as you had suggested.
    I’m not sayin Hampton wasn’t worth it…But a NT under your logic doesn’t seem to justify a first round pick

  • SteelersDepot

    this is a joke, right? Casey was a great system guy, but HOF? Um, no.

  • 243546

    A little defensive, huh?

    Ebron dropped almost 12% of the balls thrown to him … in college. Do you think that number is likely to go up, or down, when he’s facing NFL DB’s and LB’s?

    If you read the responses to your comment, someone pointed out that 8% is the average, not the high end that you would expect from an elite TE worthy of the 15th pick. What’s the drop rate for the top TE’s in the league (again, facing NFL level defenses, not college)

    Vernon Davis – 4.8%
    Antonio Gates – 3.5%
    Jimmy Graham – 2.1%
    Tony Gonzalez – 2.5%
    Coby Fleener – 2.3%
    Heath Miller – 2.6%
    Tyler Eifert – 3.4%

  • 243546

    If funny seeing how butt hurt you get when ever someone doesn’t have a nice thing to say about Ebron. What are you, his sister?

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Sorry but Jarvis Jones “looked awful” at his pro day as well. We all knew how that went. Ebron is bigger/better prospect than Jarvis Jones was at their own positions respectfully.

    Don’t forget who was throwing to him. Explains a lot by the way.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I hope you’re not talking about me knocking Benjamin? I love Benjamin. I’ll gladly take Benjamin even with his extra drops. I personally would rather have a guy who makes explosive plays and drops an extra pass or two, than a guy who can’t get separation or run after the catch.

    My opinion on Matt Spaeth is that he’s a decent blocker. If you want to use the word “solid” I’m fine with that. One of the “best in the league”? I personally don’t agree with that assessment. I don’t believe he’s our future starter behind Heath. I think we need to draft a different TE to replace Miller (very soon). And I do believe Ebron is the best receiving TE in the draft.

  • dkoy85

    I like Ebron as much as the next guy but look below at 243546’s post. Saying his comment about dropping a lot of balls is off when he drops more balls than the average tight end when he is supposed to be an elite prospect just shows your bias. Look at the percentages he posted for the top pass catching TE’s.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Its all speculations. Ebron IS not dropping out of 1st round.

  • dkoy85

    Pretty sure it was a play on words…

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Where did this reports come from? All I have seen from Ebron is that he’s not a tight end (a finished product that is) but he’s truly the best flanker in the draft. THAT is exactly what we need right now. Yes he have concentration lapses but if you look at tape, those occured a lot when he was getting out of his break or got a bad thrown ball. Tar Heels’ quarterback have no business playing in the NCAA Div-1 that’s for sure. He’s also a better route-runner than Kelvin Benjamin that I can assure you.

  • Iron Cadet

    I don’t really care if he looks bad in shorts. On tape he looked like a top 15 pick

  • blackandgoldBullion

    As long as he can occupy 2 opponents, I’m in.

  • MJD

    Hall of fame no. But you can’t tell me that our pass rush and coverage hasn’t taken a dramatic fall because our front 3, specifically the NT isnt getting the job done.

    It is unlikely anyone comes in and contributes much in the first year regardless of position.

  • steeltown

    Crazy how much discussion/debate this article created, some of it having nothing to do with Ebron or the TE position

  • SteelersDepot

    Lack of pass rush is the OLBs fault, Chief. Been three years now and hate to tell you that Hampton was there two of last three.

  • SteelersDepot

    you really should subscribe to NFL GameRewind

  • 243546

    Eifert had more receptions, yards, and TD’s, than Ebron. Both ran a 4.6 at the combine. Both weigh in the low 250’s. Eifert is 2 inches taller, and has a bigger vertical. Eifert is also a lot better at hanging on to the ball.

  • METAL_HAMMER

    Agreed.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Numbers can be fun…

    In 2012 Jimmy Graham dropped 10.4%.
    In 2012 Rob Gronkowski dropped 7.5%.
    In 2012 Vernon Davis dropped 6.6%.

    Those guys are faster and attempting more athletic plays. It makes a difference.

    You can disagree if you’d like, that’s what discussion boards are for. But a difference of 5% from one player’s drop rate to another is literally 1 pass out of 20.

    If you want to pass on a superior athlete because he drops 1 extra pass out of 20 attempts, that’s fine. I personally would draft him anyway. Because I think the plays he makes will easily outweigh that.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I was laughing at the Cortez Allen comment.

    And I agree Eifert and Ebron are similar. I was campaigning for us to pick Eifert all last year. I think Eifert has better hands than Ebron but Ebron is more elusive and probably faster in the open field (cuts, etc).

    I would’ve drafted Eifert at 1.17 last year. And I would draft Ebron at 1.15 this year.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Nope. Just arguing my case.

    By the way, who are you recommending for our 1.15 pick?

  • SFIC

    To me, he looks like a Top 15 pick from his “highlights”….but when looking at his entire “film” collection, he is much lower

  • SteelersDepot

    I don’t suppose you know that McLendon was only on the field for 147 pass rush snaps last year. Are you going to blame global warming on him as well?

  • Jay Jaber

    Rams are very close to signing Kenny Britt so I don’t think they will take WR in the first meaning mike evans just might fall to us

  • MJD

    I think he played 147 snaps because he isn’t that great of a NT.

  • dgh57

    What pro-Ebron people so conveniently omit is that we didn’t bother to draft a TE at all last year and that was with Miller rehabbing a serious knee injury. So I don’t know why we would draft a TE early this year when he’s healthy. And apparently age isn’t a factor either as they just extended his contract by 2 years. Now they may draft a TE in the mid to late rds. to replace Paulson or even Spaeth has he’s in the last year of his contract.

  • Milliken Steeler

    Sorry guy, but Spaeth is not a scrub.

  • Milliken Steeler

    He is better than a “decent blocker” and our running game improved soon after getting him back.

  • steelster

    So why do people keep underestimating Marquise Lee. He has better hands and is a better route runner and faster than Ebron and Benjamin. Oh wait, those guys are taller how could I forget. Draft Lee he is a perfit fit for the steelers offense.

  • steelster

    or the bills or lions will take evans.

  • SteelersDepot

    um, because the Steelers don’t use a NT in sub packages. You are really starting to look foolish with your statements.

  • tim

    ASJ is a better fit because he is a good athlete,he’s got good hands and can catch the ball very well and he can already block therefore we won’t have to work too hard to get him on the field and he won’t have to come off the field for a run play unlike Ebron…

  • Matt Manzo

    Dave! What are your thoughts on this? Before the combine you tell us to remember the tape and not get caught up in #s in shorts. I know Ebron has his issues, but is he crying now, after that performance?

  • tim

    YES hes a MUCH better blocker than Ebron IMO…

  • tim

    A TE main job is not to stretch the field, their job is to get first downs and block…wide receivers job is the stretch the field….TE’s that are doing that are really H-backs being called TE’s…

  • tim

    if he is a better route runner than Benjamin then Benjamin is the worst wide receiver in the draft

  • SteelersDepot

    I’m just saying he is not worth a top 15 pick IMHO. First round guy? Most likely. Just pointing out that the drops matched what he did during the season. Also, he hasn’t shown a big nose for the endzone in college.

  • Matt Manzo

    Thanx! I’m just trying to figure out how to read film vs. shorts, and it sounds like the key thing to knowing if they can play is if the film and #s match? Good film, good #s, good pick. Bad film, Good #s, questionable pick? Good Film, Bad #s, project pick? Bad film, Bad #s, Bad pick. Right?

  • 243546

    If Allen was able to shut down Rob Gronkowski as a rookie, then he can handle Ebron. Ebron doesn’t have elite athleticism. NFL DB’s are going to be all over him.

  • 243546

    You can argue your case without the snark. You may find that people are more willing to respect your opinion.

  • SteelersDepot

    Well, film should match workouts and vice verse.I have no bias against the kid, I just think he’s a bottom half of round one prospect.

  • Matt Manzo

    Ya, I just want our #1 to be solid all around. Another Troy or Ben or Heath! Obviously everyone does, but our last few #1s had too many ?s.
    Thanx again for everything! I feel like I’m talking to God!

  • harding36

    Lee would be a great 2nd round pick.

  • harding36

    Especially in this draft. He might get over drafted due to lack of depth at TE, but there are probably 10 players I’d take at 15 before Ebron.

  • SFIC

    Lee is the 2nd best WR in this draft

  • steelster

    thank you.

  • Brian Miller

    Scouting Expert Tony Pauline said on his podcast that there are numerous reports that Ebron is a “high maintenance player”, also said that Odell Beckam Jr. has some flags, doesn’t like to practice, and does not have a lot of support from teammates and coaches…He ALSO stated that the Giants are in love with Ebron, but that he will fall no later than the Steelers at 15 according to the people he has talked with…take that for what it is worth! Also spoke highly of Jarvis Landry from LSU.

  • steelster

    Dave is a steeler god.

  • steelster

    Landry could very well be this year’s Keenan Allen.

  • http://batman-news.com MC

    Gilbert, Dennard or Mike Evans are the only ones i’ll take at 15 and Gilbert, Evans most likely wont’ even be there. Trade down if ya can please!

  • SFIC

    Any team that takes Evans in the top 20 should have their GM shot

  • SFIC

    Maybe we’ll get lucky and some team will move up and take Evans. I agree with the Landry assessment.

  • http://batman-news.com MC

    Would you still put him above Benjamin? I’ll admit i don’t have the best knowledge of this class..

  • SFIC

    Yes, I would put him above Benjamin. But, both have a lot of work ahead of them. Both have low football IQs. Both need to improve on route running and reducing dropped balls….and that ain’t easy.

  • j m

    I just don’t get the love for Dennard. A CB who runs a 4.50 forty? In the top half of the first round?
    Shamarko Thomas is faster. Terry Hawthorne is faster.

  • j m

    Evans snatched every ball drilled to him at the combine. And he was known for having good hands at A & M.
    Not sure what you’re referring to …..

  • Nolrog

    Any chance that his poor showing would mean he drops to us in the 2nd round?

  • SFIC

    Joe Haden is slower than that and he made the Pro Bowl. Like Haden, Dennard is a scrapper. The best man cover corner by far in this draft. The only problem I have is we play a zone system and Dennard has not shown he can play zone. Sure, we could put him on an island opposite opposing top WRs, but all they would need to do is bunch that WR up with a couple of WRs and he will struggle. I like him a lot. Just not totally sure he will excel with us. I still like him over the WRs available.

  • ApexSteel

    The fact that you think a 4.5 is slow mixed with the fact that you think 40 times are good indicators of talent really makes me question your knowledge of football.

  • SFIC

    Catching balls in shorts means squat to me. Watch his game “film”, not “highlights” and you will see he has fair hands. But has shown very little savy in route running. Strictly relying on his height to beat college CBs. He has a long way to go IMO to play well against bigger NFL CBs who can play to his height and jump on his routes.

  • j m

    Good point about Haden. But with the 15th pick, I would hope that we are looking for elite athletes, elite players.

    What baffles me is that the Steelers seem to be disdaining the idea of taking an O Lineman in the first round, as if our O – line were currently a juggernaut. If the best CBs are gone, best WRs gone … why not an elite O lineman?

    I like Evans more than you, I think.

  • j m

    That was my concern as well. I figured he just used his height in college, but then he ran fast (for his size) at the combine, looked smooth, and showed as good a set of hands as anyone.

    I liked his film — admittedly highlights.

  • SFIC

    Not likely I’m afraid. He won’t make it past the teens. There’s always a team that can’t resist measureables.

  • j m

    Exactly. Forty times are meaningless. Which is why NFL scouts insist college players run them. But what do they know? They’re just professional football scouts, GMs, and coaches. You know better than they.

    And if you don’t think a 4.5 time is a concern for a CB taken in the top 15, your knowledge of football is … lacking.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    The problem? First round picks are tough. Seriously! It’s the round where you can’t have a guy that only becomes a starter. You want a Pro Bowler. Anything short of that is considered a miss. But there are guys in the 2nd or 3rd that have the potential to be just as good as the supposed studs in round 1. Once you get to the lower rounds, you can miss and cut guys, but they were just a role of the dice anyway.

    The solution: Trade down. I know the value won’t be there this year, but do it anyway. Between rounds 2-4 lie some potentially great players and the risks are much less. You end up with lower expectations. Maybe he’s just a starter. Then if he ends up being much better it’s the big bonus.

    By the way, the Steelers have actually done more this year than they usually do, so we should relax with the complaints. And like I said last month, despite the cap going up, they won’t be outbidding anyone. So just relax and wait it out. Prices of FA’s will go down, the draft will come with lots of possibilities, and then there’s still more time to find guys after that.

  • SFIC

    I have no problem taking Lewan but I think he will be gone. After that the potential elite LT drops off a lot. I like the Guard from UCLA but don’t feel it justified this year.
    Yep. I’m sorta in the minority with Evans. I watched him a lot and I don’t mind him. I just don’t think he’s the saviour others do that’s all.

  • j m

    I also hope they trade down. And the rumors that Bridgewater and Manziel may be dropping out of the top half of round 1 might help us in that regard.

  • SFIC

    40 times are important. But in the case of Dennard, IMO it really is a matter of where it slots him. If he would have ran a 4.4 40, he would have been a top 5-10 pick. But by running slower he’ll drop to the 10-15 range. Jmo.

  • j m

    Yes, but it just worries me. Any chance Justin Gilbert is there at 15?

  • SFIC

    I think they will use their first pick on the BPA. But now with our extra comp picks they might use some of our other picks to trade up in rds 3 or 4.

  • SFIC

    If there is a run on QBs early I think there is a good chance either Gilbert or Dennard will be there. I think most teams are higher on Dennard so the chance of a Gilbert (or Lewan) to be there is pretty good… But, if teams pass on a QB a totally different story.

  • SFIC

    Agreed

  • steelster

    Colbert has said trading down will be very difficult. The steelers haven’t done it in 25 years. I’m like many on here it would be great but I just don’t see it happening.

  • j m

    Didn’t they trade down before taking Casey Hampton?

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Now that’s an overstatement. Ebron was lined up at slot a lot, different story. Ebron wasn’t asked to run much of route tree just like Antonio Brown coming out of college. I have seen him in the game, he does good job with pacing and break off when actually running a route. Not a perfect but he just could be a good route-running flanker.

  • SFIC

    I’m pretty sure they didn’t.

  • steelster

    I was told on here the last time was for Eric Green and it was with the cowboys and lets just say the cowboys ended up with a good player.

  • Steve

    Casey was not HOF material. LB is the most important part of a 3-4.

  • RyanW

    Scrub? Lol hes one of the top 3 best blocking TE’s in the league. He had a ton of talent in front of him early in his pittsburgh career. Hes not a major pass catching Tight End but hes not an awful pass catcher either. Maybe you should do some research before calling a guy a scrub.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    This coming from the guy who makes the “sister” comment…

  • Hard Row

    It may help their odds of trading back if they don’t run up to the podium as soon as they are on the clock.

  • Johnny Loose

    I feel like your assessment of TEs is terrible. First, you back up the notion that this may be Heath Miller’s last year as a starter. At this point I wouldn’t trade him for any other TE in the NFL. He’ll be 32 in October. Then you go on saying that Matt Spaeth is a scrub, which is pretty much an ignorant thing to say about a guy who was ranked as the #1 run blocking TE by PFF only a couple seasons ago. PFF might not be entirely accurate, but it’s not like they’re waaay off base with there assessment of a player’s skills. Matt Spaeth is valuable to our offense. Then you start trying to wager on stats/production of two TEs who are made of completely different molds. I don’t think I’d be alone in saying it would make perfect sense if Ebron’s numbers looked better than Spaeth’s after a whole career which has yet to even begin. We are SOLID at TE for the time being, but I agree adding depth would be a smart idea. If not this year, then definitely next year would be an ideal time to draft and groom an eventual replacement for Miller. That being said, if Pittsburgh were interested in taking Ebron at 15, Colbert probably hid his smile while he watched him struggle at his pro day. I personally don’t believe we should take this guy at 15th overall, I think someone more valuable will be there on draft day. If it were to happen though, I’d be excited but also surprised that they saw enough in Ebron to grab him at 15. One more thing, I bet Ike is still our #1 this year, just w/ more help over the top.

  • http://batman-news.com MC

    Yeah especially when you put him next to Gilbert who weighs more, is faster, and put up more reps of the bench. That said, Dennard is rated higher than him on nfldraftscout which is a site i find quite credible, mostly because of his physicallity and man skills. If that comes at the cost of a speed i’d be content with the pick. Speed can also be trained, espeically if he trains at Bommarito where Antonio Brown goes..
    And what the hell happened to Hawthorne? Im sure a lot of people got their hopes up like i did when we got him.

  • Hard Row

    Richard Sherman ran 4.56. The thing with Dennard is he has very good instincts and ball skills, just like Sherman.

    Another key for Dennard is that he got much better each year. That means he’s coachable and works hard to get an edge because he knows he’s not elite physically.

    Because of his anticipation and reaction, he plays faster than his 40.

    I’m tired of seeing a Steeler DB in good position to make a play and the WR comes down with the ball. They need DBs who can play the ball in the air. That’s Dennard.

  • http://batman-news.com MC

    yeah, i’ve never bought the Benjamin hype. I think he relied a lot on his size in college from what i’ve seen. Can’t do that in the pros.

  • LucasY59

    I would rather see ASJ drop to the 2nd rd pick, than reach for Ebron in the 1st. (If there is a trade back scenario (25-32nd) then Ebron is one of the candidates for the pick, but is a reach at 15)

    Look at the 1st TE’s selected in the last few years. 2013-Eifert 1st rd 21st, 2012-Fleener 2nd rd 2nd, 2011-Rudolph 2nd rd 11th,

    2006 Vernon Davis was selected 6th overall, (yeah he is a good player but many TE’s are picked later and have played just as good if not better)

    Heath was the 30th pick in the 1st, (IMO much better player/prospect than Ebron, not as much of a possible game changer, but much more of a possible BUST also)

  • SFIC

    I totally agree. My fav defensive players in this draft who could realistically fall to us are Dennard, Donald & Jernigan… None fit our system perfectly, if at all. But, oh I wish we could take a chance.

  • Aaron

    so may i ask why after 2 8-8 seasons… we wouldn’t draft a tad different? lmao

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Agreed, Strength. What he did on tape occurred in a GAME over MANY days, whereas his Pro Day happens once! Everyone has a bad day.
    I actually hope we got CB in rd 1 but couldnt help jumping in on this one!

  • Kenneth Wilt

    Well, you know, I don’t think he is Jimmy Graham and going to be running routes up the seam, but neither does Heath. What Heath does do is get open in the routes we ask him to run, block, and catch almost everything thrown to him. I can only go by what I see on tape. The difference in these 2 isn’t as great as everyone makes it out to be. Going into the season ASJ was the #1 ranked TE, Ebron passed him, but that doesn’t make him not a good prospect. When it comes to character….there are 2 ways for him to handle it…..fix it or fall further into it. That is what the interviews are for.

  • dkoy85

    Lee would be an AMAZING 2nd round pick and at that spot the legitimate steal of the draft. He won’t make it out of the 1st.

  • Steelers58

    He is not our type of player

  • tim

    I will give you the character issuses…I had thought bout that but IF they think he just made a mistake he’d be an upgrade from Spaeth and Paulson.

  • dave

    Traded down a few spots (from 16 to 19) with the NY Jets for Hampton in 2001.
    Traded down in 1990 from 17 to 21 so we could take Eric Green and the Cowboys took some guy named Emmitt Smith at 17.

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