I Can’t Stop Thinking About FSU WR Kelvin Benjamin

With the 2014 NFL Draft now roughly one month away, there seems to be one player that the Pittsburgh Steelers could potentially draft with the 15th overall selection that causes such a split in opinion as far as the fan base goes and that player is Florida State wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin.

If you follow me on Twitter, you probably know that dating back to the second half of last season I have been infatuated with Benjamin. Did he have his share of drops? Yes. Does he lack elite speed? Yes. Does he catch touchdowns? Yes.

The last question and answer of those three listed above is what really endears me to Benjamin and it is why I really think the Steelers should strongly consider him at 15th overall even though most of the major media draftniks view him more as a late first-round selection.

Over the course of the last three seasons, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has thrown 38 touchdown passes from 10 yards and in and 23 of those went to players that are no longer on the roster. So who is left heading into 2014 that has registered a touchdown reception from that area of the field? Tight end Heath Miller (8), wide receiver Antonio Brown (4), fullback Will Johnson (2) and wide receiver Derek Moye (1). Miller, by the way, had just one last season and in case you forgot, it was a shovel pass.

So what about the prospects of second-year wide receiver Markus Wheaton? If you look back his college career, he only had three touchdown catches that came inside the 10 and a total of nine inside the red zone as a whole. Let’s face it, he only has six catches to his credit so far with the Steelers, so there’s quite a bit that we still don’t know about him.

The Steelers have also added wide receivers Lance Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey this offseason to replace Emmanuel Sanders and Jerricho Cotchery, but combined, those two players have 20 touchdown catches from 10 yards and in in 173 regular-season games played. How confident are you that either one of those two players will be able to offset the loss of both Sanders and Cotchery deep inside the territory of the opponent?

I’ve referenced this several times already, but it’s worth doing it once again. Of the seven passes that Benjamin caught last season inside the red zone, all seven were good for touchdowns. His other eight touchdowns came outside of the red zone, so he’s not just a one-trick touchdown pony.

While nothing is guaranteed, I think most of you believe that the Steelers will have no shot at drafting Texas A&M wide receiver Mike Evans at 15th overall. If that indeed winds up being the case, Benjamin really deserves serious consideration with that pick.

There are some good arguments to be made for the Steelers selecting one of the top two or three cornerbacks if given the chance, but in all honesty, do you really see any of those players contributing as rookies? I am high on Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley in addition to Benjamin, but even he would likely struggle to see the field much as a rookie with the Steelers.

The Steelers defense is still going through a transition from old to young and one first-round player is unlikely to make a huge difference in 2014. An offensive player, however, can make a difference and that’s really what the Steelers need right now. I think Benjamin can be that player and I can’t help but think how much he would help production inside the red zone by him being on the field.

Links:

Former NFL Scouts Debate Wide Receivers Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin

Steelers CB Ike Taylor Believes FSU WR Kelvin Benjamin Is A “Game Changer”

Red Zone Abilities Of FSU WR Kelvin Benjamin Can’t Be Ignored By Steelers

Steelers Had Monday Meeting With FSU Draft Prospects WR Kelvin Benjamin And RB Devonta Freeman

2014 NFL Draft Player Profiles – Florida State WR Kelvin Benjamin

Key Spilt Stats Of The Top 10 Rated Wide Receivers In The 2014 NFL Draft

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  • Paddy

    Is Benjamin too heavy at 240? Heard Charles Davis mention that NFL teams are wary of big wide outs. For the life of me I don’t know why Benjamin being 10 pounds heavier than Evans would matter

  • Steelers12328882

    I’d be perfectly fine if the Steelers selected him at 15. It might seem a bit high if you think he’s more worthy for the bottom of rd 1 or even farther down, but in a couple years it won’t matter. All that will matter is if he’s a bust or not. If the Steelers think he’s their guy then I’m all in.

  • dkoy85

    Yes, yes, and yes. I couldn’t agree more. He’s definitely on their radar.

    The thing that is most impressive about his 7 redzone TD’s last year is that almost all of them involve him leaving his feet, going up and using his size to get the ball. Some of those are VERY athletic catches. Actually, the only redzone TD I don’t see him going up and getting is a flag route where he makes an underrated adjustment to get it.

    The kid is not afraid to leave his feet- In fact it looks like he likes to do it a little too much when he doesn’t have to(coach-able). Just look at the touch down against, I believe Clemson, where he jumps, extends, spins and catches it, all while the CB can’t even reach up to his shoulder pads. I mean, it’s like there is 3 feet between the football and and the CB’s finger tips. I can’t find any footage of Evans doing that. I keep coming back to this pick as my favorite.

  • 804Stiller

    I heard Kiper say he could use another year in school. I didn’t get that. He is 23 already. If he played another year in college, he would be playing the prime of his career on his rookie deal. Bad for him, good for the team that drafts him

  • harding36

    I’ve been on board with this guy for three months. I doubt he gets past the Ravens, even with the Steve Smith signing.

  • JAMESH

    Here’s three subjective criteria to evaluate your first round draft pick:

    1) Immediate impact player
    2) Best in the draft at his position
    3) Cornerstone around which you can build for a decade

    “With the 15th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steeler select Eric Ebron.” Anyone else fit those parameters?

  • joeyp

    Ebron can’t block and would be a liability on the end of the line. Not a good fit for a Steelers TE. First time he misses a block and gets Ben killed he would be benched for the next 6 weeks. So he tech. fails your number 1 and 3 requirements. Not the right choice for us.

  • Paddy

    I think the Ravens will take Lewan if available or the best safety

  • JAMESH

    I believe you possibly misjudge his current ability as a blocker and definitely his potential as a blocker. There are such things as pass catching TEs in this league and I trust that Todd Haley could make use of his talents.

  • grw1960

    Just don’t see it happening at 15. A #3 tier 2 at a position pick That high? He is big like Evens, but he ain’t Evens. OLB Barr would be more likely.

  • srdan

    We don’t need tightends that block, we need players that catch touchdowns. Ebron shouldn’t be asked to block in line just like benjamin or evans or watkins. If ebron develops into a blocker 3 years down the road, then so be it, but we need him for the mismatches he creates.

    I get a lot of tomatoes thrown at me, but Heath sort of limits the offense. Most offenses have a dimension with a Todd heap, tyler eifert and Gresham, and Jordan Camron to create mismatches. Teams with a mismatch tightend like vernon davis bring in a tackle to block and let vernon split wide.

    Heath was the last well rounded tightend to get drafted high in the draft, name another? There is a reason for that! Do you want me to name first round mismatch nightmares that can’t block in line coming out of college? The game changes, and right now a rounded tightend has given way to a mismatch tightend. Exactly what we need.

    Ebron at 15 if we are lucky.

  • srdan

    I would love that pick.

  • grw1960

    I am hoping Ebron is gone before the Steelers pick at 15. That could leave Evens, a CB or another player available at 15. Ebron bothers me as almost as much as Benjamin at 15.

  • joeyp

    I honestly believe he will end up in Buffalo making all this a mute point anyways… but as with all things in life time will tell.

  • Kyle Owens

    Nice to see everyone finally coming around. I’ve had Kelvin Benjamin at 1.15 in both of my previous mock drafts and he will remain there in my 3rd and final mock that I’ll be posting soon.

  • steeltown

    Actually you make a very good point.. I have a feeling the Bucs will go WR, they have no one besides V.Jackson right now.. Cleveland taking Watkins and Tampa taking Evans is a strong possibility.

    Dennard, Benjamin, Barr, Tuitt, Mosley and Lewan are the most likely selections, barring a trade back

  • Steven Ledbetter

    You have to look logically at what the Steelers are doing. They always tip their hand if you watch. They took Bey as an alternative to having to take a WR in first round. They will not go WR in first round (but if they find Evans available he may be the wild card because he is a monster). They really need an impact player. They want Dennard and that’s who they will go for…maybe even trade up. If all of the obvious suspects are gone they may go with Ebron.

  • srdan

    I beat this conversation to a pulp with my cousin driving from pittsburgh this weekend. Tampa, Buffalo and NYG hold our cards. You’d have to believe that Tampa is targeting a receiver after trading Williams away. Buffalo got williams but I am not certian of their TE situation. The giants could use Donald, Lewan or Ebron.

    As you said, time will tell.

  • dkoy85

    They will not trade up for Dennard. At least I really hope they don’t

  • joeyp

    Buffalo has Chandler after that not much to even look at. I don’t consider Chandler that impressive. I can see them trying to add multiple weapons to see if Manuel is the future at QB or not.

  • srdan

    Why do you think Evans is better for us than Ebron?

    Receivers to fill in holes are easily obtained. We already have a number one. What Evans offers us is the same thing as Ebron, a mismatch in the red zone. We have young talent at receiver, but none at TE. Do you think that Evans is a bigger threat in the redzone than Ebron? I kinda think its a wash

  • srdan

    Do you think Ebron will be off the board or that we shouldn’t consider him?

  • SteelersDepot

    Bey is a safety net, not an alternative. This team will need five receivers on the 53 and Moye is not No. 5.

  • Steven Ledbetter

    He will probably be there when they pick (I hope), but they know they need a real impact player who can start next year or they won’t be able to keep up with the Broncos or the cheaters… I mean the Pats.

  • JAMESH

    Look at this set: Brown, Wheaton out wide, Ebron in the slot, Heath at TE, Bell at RB……… and Ben at the helm. Think of the variety out of just that one set. A DC’s nightmare. Immediate impact.

  • Callentown

    Hm, I don’t know that your criteria are actually possible to be honest.
    QB’s and Olineman are often drafted high and don’t even start in year one. Also, if it’s the best in the draft at his position, you’d only have 22 first round picks.

    That said, I get your point and don’t believe Benjamin fits that.

  • srdan

    I like barr, but man he looks like Bruce davis. Appearance wise, not on the field lol. Might be the school thing.

  • Steven Ledbetter

    Yes but don’t forget Wheaton will hopefully step it up taking Sanders place and Moore will take Cotchery’s spot.

  • Shea Fahr

    I think I would take Mosley at 15. LB depth is very thin inside and what happens if Timmons gets hurt? I would take a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round as there are plenty of good ones to be had.

  • steeltown

    Im thinking BUF or NYG will take Ebron, but I’d be ok with an Ebron selection

  • Steven Ledbetter

    There’s no way they take Benjamin at 15. You try not to take busts that high up in the draft.

  • Callentown

    Dave, nice point with regards to the Red Zone needs. You make a good case.
    I’m not infatuated with KB and think there are 2-3 TE’s that could also be used in the same way that we could get in rounds 2-3.

    We are in agreement on Mosley, btw.

  • srdan

    Agreed.

  • dkoy85

    If they truly feel that is the case they would be much better off adding somebody in free agency next offseason rather than trading up for a player who is good but not Polamalu good and trading away our 2nd round pick. Remember… we don’t have a 3rd round pick to trade. Too many holes to trade up for a player that isn’t guaranteed be “special.”

  • Callentown

    I have a feeling the QB’s are not going to get picked as quickly as the mocks show. Hopefully that gives us a real chance to trade back – I’m hoping Cleveland gives us back our 3rd to trade up from 26 for Manziel.

    In that scenario, I’m starting to wonder who would be the top 2-3 picks for the Steelers. Perhaps Tuitt is still there, love Shazier, Fuller..

  • dkoy85

    Neither of them is a redzone threat. A game changing redzone target, possibly season changing, WR at 1.15 adds much greater value than Moore. Moore will have his place but it won’t be in the redzone.

  • Callentown

    I can’t imagine they truly took Bey as a potential #2 WR. Shouldn’t change anything with regards to WR picks anymore than McCain changes the need for CBs.

    If Evans falls to Pittsburgh at 15, I’d rather see them trade down and pick up another choice around rd 3. Ideal situation to me.

  • steeltown

    Tuitt and Fuller would have to the front runners IMO and Shazier and Nix

  • ApexSteel

    I wouldn’t be angry with picking Kelvin Benjamin, but I wouldn’t take him over either corner and obviously not over Mike Evans.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    Looking at the Steelers pre-draft visits, I get the feeling they’re testing both draft strategies: 1) Taking a CB in the first, and 2) Taking a receiver in the first.

    While you can’t predict with certainty who will fall to you in later rounds, it may give them some idea of the overall value of their potential picks.

  • Steve

    Steelers need to wait and see who falls into their hands, and take the best player available. Right now they are weighing their possibilities for who may be available at #15.

  • PA2AK

    Two points made above really stick with me. Impact rookie year and a potential fix for our redzone woes. Given the depth of the draft at cb, they could still easily find two guys with one being ready for full time action after a year under his belt. It seems far less likely that we’d find the same sort of first year contribution and td production from any other WR picked in later rounds. Of course, the draft is deep at WR too. I don’t think I would complain about Evans, Benjamin, one of the cbs, or Ebron…

  • Steve

    Benjamin is 6-5 and there is no way that 240 lbs is too much at his height.

  • Derick L Young

    the redzone argument alone is a great point.

  • WilliamSekinger

    Benjamin would not be a terrible 1st round pick for the Steelers. I would hope though, that they do their due diligence and see if trading back a few spots is possible without loosing him to another team. Trading back may not be possible though with teams like Baltimore right behind us needing WR help badly.

  • Callentown

    Ya know, that logic sounds good at first – impact rookie year – but doesn’t play out well.

    Since we don’t usually get much help in FA, the draft is where we need to live in building the team. The needs on defense are many and those holes are not going to fill themselves otherwise.

    Plus, some of the better players from big programs could see time on defense this year while getting ready to start in 2015. Otherwise, we could take ‘impact’ players (in theory cuz who knows) and still have the same needs in 2015.

  • Buccos9

    At the combine, Benjamin measured at 4% body fat. He may be big, but he’s also very lean and strong. In the season before last, Joe Flacco made a living throwing long balls up for grabs and having Boldin out-muscle defenders for the ball. That’s what Benjamin could bring to the table for the Steelers One question is whether there is less difference between the top 2 corners and a corner in the second round than there is between Benjamin and a second round receiver. The Steelers’ assessment and draft board rankings don’t have to match the grades set by others. Another question is where you would fit Benjamin in with this group of receivers. Do you want to spend a first round pick on a guy who may not be one of the top two receivers?

  • Brian Tollini

    If your argument against taking a CB in the first round is that he won’t contribute much as a rookie in the first year, wouldn’t this be the reason why we constantly lack elite skill at this position? The Steelers are rarely in position to draft someone with the skill set of let’s say Patrick Peterson-but if we constantly wait until the 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds to take a corner, we will struggle to improve at this position. Dennard is my pick all day. Just my opinion.

  • Derick L Young

    They have had success drafting CB’s in the middle rounds.

  • ApexSteel

    Agreed. Although I feel like Evans and Benjamin’s styles can translate to the NFL game almost immediately. The others will probably need a lot more work.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    The touchdown argument is a statistical game. Last year cotch got a lot of touchdowns because heath and Wheaton were injured most of the year. Before you factor in the injuries for next year we have elite players at WR and TE and pretty good depth at both positions. I agree we would be in trouble with ANY injuries but the holes we have elsewhere are much more significant.

  • dgh57

    Some say Moye at 6’5″ 210 pds. needs to pack on some weight.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    You like the idea that he had to use all of his athletic ability to make a catch in college?

    I think that might be more of a red flag.

  • dkoy85

    ?? I like the idea that he is athletic enough to make the catches he did. He’s athletic with freakish size. If he has to use his athletic ability to make a catch there will not be one single person on the field that could cover that… so YES I do like the idea that he used his athletic ability in the red zone to make the tough catch.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    My point is that the NFL is much harder than college. If he had to use all of his athletic ability to make 7 touchdown catches in college he might not have enough to make any in the NFL.

    Most of the defenders he faced in college aren’t good enough for a practice squad. He shouldn’t have had to use all of his ability on those guys. It makes me wonder if he will have a hard time getting open.

  • Doug Sawyer

    I agree and I have said it before Benjamin will go #15 to Pittsburgh …If Pittsburgh starts shopping for receivers in the 2nd and 3rd round they will end up with a guy who can step up a year or two down the road…The Steelers are drafting for impact now after two 8-8 seasons…at #15 there will be no better player around to make an immediate impact like Benjamin

  • dgh57

    One success in C. Allen and quite a few failures in T. Hawthorn, C. Brown, C. Butler, J. Burnett, all taken in the mid rds.(rds. 3-5) Hardly my idea of success. If we expect a CB to pan out maybe it’s time to select one higher in the draft.

  • Doug Sawyer

    We have taken a CB number 1 how many times?…yet how many times have we had the #1 Defense and #1 Pass Defense?…we don’t need a number 1 CB to get the results we want

  • dkoy85

    Okay, I see your point with having a hard time getting open. With his speed, or lack there of, he might have a harder time but keep in mind the 7 catches were in the red zone. Always harder to get open. His other 8 TD’s came by him being open- sometimes wide open.

    My point was the QB wasn’t always on his mark and was able to throw the ball in Benjamin’s vicinity and he was able to make the tough catch. These weren’t slant routes, and some were crossing routes in which he was open, but most were throw and leap passes and in double coverage.

  • Axe Skot

    As good an argument as any I’ve seen. I wouldn’t be upset if this is the pick. This is Roethlisberger’s prime…Outside of running back, all the other picks to the defense.

  • Doug Sawyer

    how many times has the Steelers D been rated #1 without a number 1 CB on the roster?…we don’t need one to be successful we need D backs who play our scheme

  • Jeff

    I’d very much welcome this pick at #15… Give Ben his big WR!

  • Derick L Young

    plus a solid pass rush :)

  • cencalsteeler

    It’s hard for me to see the Steelers picking a wr with their first pick. Wr’s tend to be prima donnas and come second contract, we won’t be able to afford him. I see us going defense in the first w/ BPA and approaching wr in the second. Bryant, Moncrief, Adams, etc.

  • Brian Tollini

    You are correct, they have, but Kennan Lewis and Cortez Allen are very solid #2 CB’s, not #1 CB’s.

  • Superdriller316

    I saw somewhere that some teams wanted him down to 225. We need WR’s with larger wing spans. Look at some of the over throws to 5’10” WR’s that could have been caught by someone who’s 6’5″. I’m pretty sure the team is tired of putting up 3 in the red zone instead of throwing up jump balls to a tall guy. I’m all for Benjamin in the first of Bryant in the 2 or 3.

  • Doug Sawyer

    yes Benjamin, who has better hands and better upside

  • pat

    Also have had success drafting WRs in later rounds and not so in 1st

  • Toddy Bravo

    As someone else here stated, Benjamin has bust potential. Is he a huge target that would create matchup problems? Yes. Can the Steelers afford a 1st round bust at this point in time? Absolutely not.

    The #15 pick must be a safe pick and must also be a game changing talent. I realize that’s more difficult to find than it sounds. However, if we assume the top 2 CBs, Evans and Mosely are off the board, I think Marqise Lee is a far better WR pick at #15 than Benjamin. It’s a slight reach, but he’s a solid, safe pick with star potential. Benjamin, IMO, would be a much bigger reach. Lee’s impact would also extend beyond just a few plays in the redzone as well. For the redzone plays, don’t sleep on Heath, Moye and/or Brown to fill that role. We have big receivers, admittedly not as big as Benjamin, but we need a starting, well-rounded receiver, not another one-trick pony (with bust potential) at #15 overall.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Fair enough. I don’t know enough about him to say getting open will be a problem but that is what makes me less confident about projection.

  • Toddy Bravo

    A great pass rush tends to make average CBs great.

  • Doug Sawyer

    Lee is not a better receiver than Benjamin

  • Xclewsive

    Maybe the Steelers should draft a QB just in case Ben gets hurt. You don’t draft because of “what ifs”

    The Steelers have a ILBs are they household names? No. I believe the Steelers are comfortable with the ILB situation.

    The Steelers struggled last year because the offense lacked a playmaker on offense early on in the season. Ebron, Evans ( who I don’t like) and Benjamin give the Steelers a player who threatens the defense.

    With all that said I still want Darqueze Dennard!

  • Doug Sawyer

    Burress and Holmes were fine additions to this team

  • grw1960

    Agree not sold on Barr. I guess that was my point. Barr reminds me of last years pick Jones. Just a faster version with different question marks.

  • Matt Smith

    The guy reminds me of Boldin or Fitzgerald. I am a FSU fan, so I am partial, but I’d get a little chub if they took him.

  • Jason

    Well Kiper’s a Ravens fan so take it for what it’s worth.

  • JayBirdDC

    It is too high for him and the Steelers aren’t in a position to reach for players.

  • Jason

    We don’t bench our lineman for getting Ben killed every week. Not every TE has to be Mark Bruener. Ebron is a willing blocker just not great at it but his playmaking ability makes him a huge weapon.

  • dgh57

    I’m only talking about if we’re wanting a CB to pan out then maybe it’s time to select one earlier than rd. 3. But none the less if Dennard is still there I don’t see them passing on him.

  • cp72

    Every pick has bust potential.

    Think about what defenses would be forced to do with Benjamin, Brown, Wheaton or Moore, Miller, and Bell on the field. Even in a dime defense you are going to get someone covered by a linebacker. If you wanna go 6 DBs then we will just pound the ball down your throat with the nearly 500 lbs of beef we have at running back now. The mismatches created by adding Benjamin are exciting.

    We are on the cusp of having an elite offense and this is the final piece.

  • Kenneth Wilt

    If Evans and Watkins are off the board….if Dennard and Gilbert are off the board….if 3 QBs…..the 3 OTs are all off the board….if Mack and Clowney are off the board…you are into the next group of guys. I have a hard time arguing that player X is better than player Y once you hit that point. Mosley, Fuller, Benjamin, Hageman, keep going. It is almost impossible to prove to me that one is better than the other from the value perspective. This is a tricky draft.

  • cp72

    Watch Game Changers tonight on NFL network. When you see that Benjamin is 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier than Michael Irvin that is all you need to know.

  • PA2AK

    But how doesn’t it play out well in your mind?

    I hear you on defensive holes. I also think that it is easier to find solid defensive value outside of the first round than offensive value (of course, in terms of Steelers needs, considering this years draft…not a generalization).

  • Brendan

    That’s idiotic. If the Steelers don’t view him as a top 15 player in this draft, they won’t take him. And they shouldn’t, because he isn’t a top 15 player.

  • PA2AK

    Well if they don’t have Landry Jones ready to play just in case…then that pick last year might be one of the biggest wastes of all time.

  • PA2AK

    Could you imagine if Cotchery’s production was closer to his normal last year (2-5 total tds)? The redzone and TD production issue would be at the top of the charts right now.

  • PA2AK

    Good point on QB accuracy on those catches (or lack thereof). I watched some of those and wondered if it was the same Jameis Winston. He obviously had a lot of trust in Benjamin to get the ball. Looked like almost every one of em was a prayer.

    I guess the other point about better competition in the NFL will also hold true to the CB position. So…is it a good argument to even have?

  • Justin Barlow

    I am 95% for this…

    The only thing that gives me pause is the seemingly non-existent depth at CB outside of the top 3. We’d be really rolling the dice to pass on one of those guys if they were there knowing how deep the WR class is.

    All that said. The win now appeal of the Benjamin pick weighs out for me. We can always draft 2 corners later and hope one pans out as Ike’s replacement.

  • Big White

    Benjamin is going to either be a lethal weapon or a what were we thinking moment. I dunno which. stumped.

  • dkoy85

    I have a feeling the FO is looking at it as top of the charts… especially with uncertainty of if Miller can be a red zone threat again. There’s little doubt in my mind that Benjamin will be there with the 1.15 so unless Evans falls we’ll find out in a month how the Steelers truly feel about their 2014 red zone production will be. IMO Benjamin is the most dangerous RZ threat in this draft.

  • srdan

    Same could be said for Ike in his prime.

    Our scheme is not corner heavy. Would a Revis help, yes. Is such a talent needed in this scheme to be successful, no.

  • srdan

    fully agree. Our defense has always been only as good as our front 7.

  • srdan

    Unless ebron is htere.

  • cp72

    That’s why he is a top 15 pick. He’s 6’5″ and 240 lbs and ran a 4.59. If he was 5’10” 200 lbs and ran a 4.59 then he’d be a 5th rounder.

  • srdan

    I don’t think a 1st rd receiver is needed for other reasons. We alreadfy have a number one WR. And we have young talent at hte position. What we lack is a mismatch in the redzone. I think if Ebron is there, it would make a lot of sense.

  • srdan

    I don’t buy into these theories that kiper and company spread. It was way too high for Tyson Aleau and Bruce Irwin.

  • PA2AK

    Some notable post-1st round DB selections…C.Allen(4), K.Lewis(3), W.Gay(5), Ike(4), C. Hope(3), D.Townsend(4), L.Flowers(5) Myron Bell(5), W.Williams(6), D. Perry(8), C.Lake(2), D.Woodruff(6), M.Blount(3).

    Our only 1st round DB selections since ’69…J.T.Thomas(’73), Dave Brown(’75), Ron Johnson (’78), Rod Woodson (’87), Deon Figures(’93), Chad Scott(’97), Troy (’03),

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    A very persuasive case, Dave, but I’m not yet persuaded. But, then, I haven’t been persuaded about anyone in this draft yet. That’s not a bad thing, just a recognition that this draft is deep and, from the perspective of trying to figure out what a team with the 15th overall pick is going to do, complicated. As I’m sure it’s complicated for the front office as well.

    The fact is, once you get past the elite tier of 8-10 players (maybe?), it seems impossible to rank the next 10 or 20 or even 30 with any measure of confidence. My hope, I suppose, is that we have another DeCastro situation, where an elite player, from the team’s perspective (and also generally) drops for whatever reason (just not character or injury problems) and ends up the must-take pick. Maybe that’s one of the top WRs or CBs. But if not, honestly, it seems like we’ll just have to roll the dice with one of about 5-10 different options and hope that it works out. Could be Benjamin, sure. Could also be Ebron or Mosley or Lee or…

    I will say, though, those GIFs of Benjamin’s TDs you put up recently have really stuck with me, and the thought of moving forward with Antonio and Benjamin as our starters, with major upside in Wheaton and solid depth in Moore and maybe DHB is pretty exciting, not just for 2014 but beyond as well. Add a healthy Heath for one or two more years and our offence, assuming the O-line continues to get better and remains healthy, could be as formidable as anything we’ve seen in the Black and Gold for a long time.

    One thing I want to add is this: I’m not saying you, Dave, but a lot of us are focusing on what’s going to happen in the first round. And that’s fine — that’s where we’re most likely to pick up an immediate starter, if not a true franchise player. But I think what we do in the first round will be determined not just by who’s available based on the top of our draft board but who we think we can get in the middle to later rounds. If Colbert et al. are confident that they can land a solid CB or two later one, then maybe Gilbert and Dennard slide down our board. Similarly, if we have a few solid WRs targeted for later on, maybe there isn’t the urgency to draft a Benjamin or a Lee after the the top two guys are gone. And if both of those are the case, maybe they go with Mosley or Ebron. I don’t know. Who does? I just know that our recent history shows that do have the ability to identify outstanding value at WR and CB later on in the draft. Maybe that plays out next month as well.

  • cp72

    A 6’5″ wr is not a mismatch in the red zone?

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    Sorry… very long comment!

  • PA2AK

    Don’t need a blocking TE…we have Adams! nyuck, nyuck, nyuck

  • dkoy85

    Good points.

  • srdan

    Every day of hte week and twice on sundays.

    I was trying to say that we are in more of a need at TE rather than at WR. A first round receiver is suppose to be a franchise receiver by being a number one in an offense. We don’t need that.

  • srdan

    Spaeth?

  • dkoy85

    If he gets past Ravens he probably wont make it past the Jets.

  • John

    Benjamin is a difference maker — it is that simple. He is very close to a Plax-clone, except Benjamin actually seems to be better at catching the ball at its apex than Plax ever was. KB is a red zone threat every play his team is in the red zone. The Steelers already have two smaller, quick receivers in Brown and Wheaton, plus the wily veteran in Moore, and the 4th or 5th veteran WR in DHB. If they hit on Benjamin, it would change everything about how coverage needs to be played in the red zone by other teams. For those that wonder if KB can get open, the answer is he is ALWAYS open simply because you can loft the ball up. That is what Flacco did with Boldin and Pitta. It did not matter if someone was standing right next to them. Watch the Florida St. film. When the Heisman trophy winner was in trouble, he would often just lob one in Benjamin’s direction. It may be five years before we see another like him so it is worth it to pick him at 15 even if he might project as more of a 25-30 value all things being equal. As to Lee, he drops the ball. In terms of other WRs, they may have skill or speed but do not fit as well with what we need. Regarding other position players, perhaps there is someone else worthy of the pick at 15 but if they take a rotation DL, or a finesse LB, or a raw corner, than it does almost nothing for them this year. So why do it?

  • Biophys

    Benjamin: 6’5”, 240 lbs, 4.6sec-40
    Ebron: 6’4”, 250 lbs, 4.6sec-40

    Both are dynamic playmakers.
    Both create matchup nightmares.
    Both have their fair share of drops.
    Both are good-but-not-great blockers.
    Both will likely line up in the slot.

    Question: Who has more value?
    Answer: Meh…
    Question: Would either be a wise choice for the Steelers at #15?
    Answer: Meh…

    I think that more important to minimize the risk of “bust” in the first, rather than to to focus on “boom” potential. I would rather take someone who is a guaranteed starter and solid long-term contributor in stead of someone who may or may not be a future HOF. I think you make a safe choice in the 1st, and you roll the dice in later rounds.

  • Callentown

    I just mean that you can’t only draft players who we believe can make an impact this upcoming season. If we use that logic, you pass on defensive talent because most players can’t start for the Steelers on D their first year.

    But since that’s where the biggest holes are, and more than one, and we mostly build thru the draft . . .

    A guy like Mosley, coming out of the biggest NCAA program, he could see time next year, but wouldn’t make much of an impact unless he somehow became a starter. But then in 2015, we have our ILB’s set.

  • PA2AK

    Understood and I agree with you there. But you also can’t draft on where your biggest holes are. Definitely need a fine balance of need, talent, production. I do think the need to remedy the TD/redzoneTD lack of production is critical. I don’t be mad with any of the guys that are on most people’s watchlist on these boards though.

  • 804Stiller

    True!

  • Josh Knepshield

    No. He drops way to many passes, and his route running is raw. If the Steelers choose him at 15, which they won’t, I’d pull my hair out.

  • Josh Knepshield

    You haven’t seen Mike Evans do that? Have you watched any of his tape? Mike Evans does that exact thing 3-5 times a game. LOL

  • Toddy Bravo

    Yea, he’s the final piece…until he drops a ball on his numbers to win a game. Height is overrated with WRs. Talent, GREAT HANDS and vertical jump can create just as much of a mismatch in the redzone as height. Having two great receivers can also create a mismatch in and of itself because one takes pressure off of the other.

    Sorry man, you can’t take someone with the dropsies at #15.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Trade back with the 49ers, and get extra 2nd (56). At 30, select Kyle Fuller. At 46, select Stephon Tuitt. At 56, select Allen Robinson. Allen Robinson has Steelers written all over him. He is 6-3 210 lbs and from Penn State. Makes too much sense.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Benjamin has some of the worst hands in this year’s draft

  • Toddy Bravo

    Really? He was the best receiver in college football the year before last when he was fully healthy. Still pretty good last year too. Lee is 100x more talented and polished right now. Benjamin has more upside due entirely to his size. In mid 1st round, I’ll take the better receiver over the upside all day long. You take a chance on upside later, not with your first pick.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Kelvin Benjamin’s hands are not that good. He dropped over TEN % of the passes thrown his way.

  • Josh Knepshield

    You forget Crezdon Butler, Bryant McFadden, and Joe Burnett huh?

  • Steelers58

    Me personally. If I’m own the ten yard line, I’d prefer to run the ball. Shove it down your opponents throat. We used to do that. We’d run the ball, the other team knew it was coming and they still couldn’t stop us.
    Imagine the steelers getting back to the way we used to run the ball

  • PA2AK

    I know, just a joke….We are fine for a blocking TE. If they go with Ebron, he can spend a couple years working with Munchak to get better there. I doubt he would take over the point of attack role for run plays in the first year or two anyways. I do like his big play skills. that isn’t something you teach. Besides…we picked up Paulson and I doubt there is anyone in all of college ball that can’t block better than him.

  • Doug Sawyer

    yeah really…I just watched his game film from 2012 against Syracuse,Arizona and Notre Dame and nothing stood out as remarkable about Lee…he has talent just not game changing talent

  • Doug Sawyer

    his hands are better than Ebrons

  • PA2AK

    haha…I said ‘some’ and ‘notable’. They drafted plenty of other DB’s since ’69 after round one…plenty are forgettable too.

  • PA2AK

    Do you think there is much of a difference in ‘prima donna’ affect between WR’s and CB’s these days? I get your point and agree with you, but when i look at that it is more of a reason to go with a guy like Ebron.

  • PA2AK

    ‘Ebron is a mismatch at TE in the redzone and a sensible pick’…does not equal…’6’5″ WR is not a mismatch in the redzone’

  • dkoy85

    Watched as much tape on him as I could find. He’s got good speed, great at coming back to the ball and back shoulder fades but I can’t find a single touchdown where he high points the ball over a defender. Also can’t find his stats on red zone TD’s.

  • cp72

    Height is overrated huh? Megatron, Dez, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffrey, Josh Gordon, Jordy Nelson. Everyone of those guys are at least 6’2″ or taller. Minus Antonio Brown that’s the fricking pro bowl roster.

    Small guys like AB and Victor Cruz becoming stars are more the exception than the rule.

  • cp72

    Yes he’s not Steve Largent. We know that. Will he drop balls…probably. He will also be unstoppable inside the 5 yard line. If he drops the 1st one throw him another one cause its going to be a touchdown.

  • Jollyrob68

    I have no issue with taking Benjamin at 15. I’d find it hard to bypass Gilbert or Dennard at 15. I feel Dennard & Kyle Fuller could start day one. The issue is the coaches not playing them not the player

  • Jollyrob68

    It’s funny because other cb drafted in the early or mid first rd start on other teams.

  • srdan

    At this point watkins is peter warrick and julio jones. Benjamin is Plaxico and limas sweed.

  • Ernest

    I know its a month away from the draft but I’m starting to think Fuller isn’t going to happen b/c Tomlin or Colbert(or anyone else in significance) wasn’t at his pro day and I yet to see that they are bringing him in for a pre-draft visit.

  • Jollyrob68

    Don’t have to go back that far, trade with San Diego gives a second rd pick

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    My problem is that, well Benjamin if get drafted probably will have small PT, as much as Antonio Brown did in rookie year. The Blount signing indicates we are going to pound it to ground with Bell… at least that’s the indication and if so.. why do we draft a 3rd down specialist? Redzone maybe but first year? Naw.

    Plus he’d be 28 going 29 by end of his rookie contract. Going after Brandon Coleman in 3rd makes much more sense. I do get why you love him though. I just.. hope not, I’m sure I’m in the minority.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    Its no question he will get open, its my questioning about his consistency catching ability. CJ81 get massive targets in comparison and drop over 50% of those passes… its no wonder Lions are constantly bad from year to year. I do get that we need a flanker but… Benjamin is A 2nd round talent. Not 1st, he doesn’t get off the line quick enough nor run good route tree. So I’m with you man.

  • Alexander Sebastian Heath

    That’s what tight ends are for.

  • Josh Knepshield

    I just said that because the 9ers are looking to trade up, and not really. Last year the 49ers traded from 31 to 18 and only gave up a 3rd.

  • Josh Knepshield

    That’s not saying much

  • Josh Knepshield

    He is not worth the 15th pick. Period.

  • Callentown

    I agree. Red Zone is important. I think we should draft a TE for that and believe Heeeeeath will be back this year to his old self again and offering a red zone target again. I think Cotchery mostly excelled last year because Heath wasn’t quite back yet.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Why does it have to be a TD? Are you saying that a great catch where he highpoints the ball over a defender at the 50 yard line can’t be done by him in the end zone? I’ve seen him do that every time I watch his tape, and just because it doesn’t happen to be in the end zone doesn’t mean he can’t do it in the end zone.

  • cp72

    I will graciously accept your apology when he tears it up next year.

  • Josh Knepshield

    I will accept yours when he is Limas Sweed 2.0

  • rey perez

    Love it im one of those people who thought o line was the biggest need, then thought cb but eventually said kelvin benjamin needs to be our first pick, fact is any defensive player wouldnt see much playing time in their rookie season for us and any defensive player we pick would get out jumped, out muscled, and would look like a boy trying to defend a man vs benjamin, and the best arguement is we either throw to him or defend him and thats where benjamin would excel the mismatch he makes is unfair and for those complaining about his drops, let me remind you one pass he didnt drop was the game winner in the national championship game

  • Doug Sawyer

    yes except that they are both widely considered top tier 1st round picks

  • Josh Knepshield

    He is just not worth the 15th Pick.

  • Josh Knepshield

    Not Benjamin. Right now, most analysts and scouts have him being taken late 1st early 2nd

  • Doug Sawyer

    no…you just think he’s not worth it

  • Josh Knepshield

    And 90% of scouts agree with me

  • Doug Sawyer

    Oh BS who where?

  • Josh Knepshield

    Most scouts and analysts have him going anywhere from 25-35. That is NOT a top 15 Pick

  • Doug Sawyer

    he is rated in the top 5 universally and with
    his particular size and redzone ability a dead match for what the Steelers need

  • Josh Knepshield

    Not to mention he drops 10% of his passes and is still raw running routes. No thank you to him at 15.

  • Doug Sawyer

    who said top 15 pick?…you pick for need and Pittsburgh would get the best bang at 15 for him immediately

  • Doug Sawyer

    well when he wears black and gold you can sit on your hands

  • rey perez

    Yup same thing I said mike evans has the size to high point but dont really see him do it too often

  • Josh Knepshield

    Newsflash the Steelers have a top 15 pick. No they wouldn’t. He is raw and drops way too many balls.

  • Josh Knepshield

    The Steelers will not take him at 15. He is already 23, and the Steelers don’t like that, especially when he is raw. He will not be a steeler.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    Imagine benjamin, Moye, Miller and Spaeth in the game inside the 20. They are all 6’5″ plus. What the hell do you do if you’re the defense? I know, I know! It probably won’t happen! But, holy crap, just think about it. It seems like they would be unstoppable. They could run or throw it high to anyone mentioned above. Look at Detroit last year with Megatron and that 6’8″ TE that caught all those TD’s. Crazy potential.

    But I still say they go 3rd round WR like usual. And I’m still praying for a trade down with San Fran.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    One problem I have with him on the TD thing: Only 4 of his TDs were against teams that finished more than 1 game over .500. Combined with the drops and other issues, I just don’t see top 15 value.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    The Steelers don’t pick for need. They rarely ever do. They pick the best value at a position of need. which KB is unlikely to be at 15.

  • srdan

    Part of this assesment should be how much young talent we have at either position. The answer should be that it’s more needed at TE. Other than that, I thin youre onto something.

  • Doug Sawyer

    any if any drops he has are largely seen as fixable his offensive production is ridiculous 54 catches for over 1,000 yards and 15 TD’s….we need redzone weapon…he at 15 will be our pick ….I mean seriously who would you take at 15? a CB or LB who won’t help for a year or two

  • Doug Sawyer

    “Bottom Line A monster-sized, intimidating, big-play receiver,
    Benjamin has the overall strength, length and wide catching radius that
    will demand extra coverage be rolled his way. Showed continual
    improvement, is still growing into the position, and possesses the
    traits to become a legitimate No. 1 receiver. A very intriguing mismatch
    weapon with ascending talent.”

    as per his NFL profile

  • 1stepforward

    I don’t understand. What’s to like here? If you just want a big, slow receiver who can’t catch; why waste a first-round pick? You could sign Burress and get all of those qualities and still have a first round pick.

  • BradleyT

    Agreed… But it would be that much more easier to run down there if there was a monster red zone threat at wr that the opposing d have to respect and be cautious of

  • BradleyT

    Yea since they’re always right

  • PA2AK

    I doubt I’m the first to have this thought, but….Given the widespread idea that a lot of teams are looking to move back in the draft and the Steelers having quite a few picks to use…any possibility that they try to move up in order to get Evans? Personally, i’d like to see them use every one of their picks to fill some holes, but would it be much of a stretch for that scenario to play out?

  • BradleyT

    I really hope we draft KB and then take a cb in the 2nd. Any player has “bust” potential… But KB has the size and athleticism to make us a top tier offense instantly

  • joeyp

    Would help with the turnovers and the pass rush. The longer your corner covers the longer our d-line and linebackers have to get to the QB.

  • Lewis

    No, no, if he was there in the 2nd then it might be a good fine. Not worth a 15 pick though. One dimensional, slow, doesn’t break away from coverage, stone hands. He’s big amd tall that’s about it. Might as well get Ebron with 15, he’ll give you the same redzone production plus some. I just hope Evans somehow falls to 15, so we can forget Benjamin all together.

  • cencalsteeler

    True.

  • SteelersDepot

    yawn

  • Johnny Loose

    Might be alone on this, but I tend to disagree w/ the notion of draft an offensive weapon just because he’ll be a starter/make and impact this year. As opposed to a defender who might not be on the field much this year, but next year. That point alone has me leading towards defender. I want nothing more than to get the ball rolling w/ this defense. Ben and the offense will get it done this year w/ whatever adjustments are made to the game plan/personnel. What we really need to do is ramp up this defense. That is what is most important to me. We’ve gotten a lot younger in a hurry on defense. Just a couple more positions stacked w/ quality players and our D should be good to go for another dynasty run. Not saying the Seahawks are the end all be all for a team blueprint. But they hammered the Broncos with no big receivers and an awesome D. They have a good running game also. We should have a good running game as well. I mean sooner rather than later. At this point leading up to the draft, i could see Pittsburgh landing a number of players I’d be happy with: Gilbert is my fav. as far as best available and covering needs, after that, I’d be ok w/ Mosley, Dennard, Roby, Fuller, (you can see I’m high on cbs) Ebron, Benjamin, etc.. Basically, I trust the front office. I’m sure once the draft is over with, it will make sense. Would like to see us double dip at cb, grab a decent DL prospect, grab a “big bodied” receiver i suppose, grab another OLB and ILB prospect, and throw in another DL and a guy with good speed and agility out of the back field who can also return punts/kicks.

  • SteelersDepot

    Same red zone production from Ebron? All 5 career red zone TDs?

  • Xclewsive

    I don’t know if Landry Jones is a good QB but it seems that the Steelers believe he can be. The Steelers drafted Landry Jones because they had to senior citizens as backups.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I could say the same for your response. I just see nothing from Benjamin that warrants a 15 pick over a guy like Davonte Adams in the second, who has lower upside but is still a big time red zone threat and has much better hands.

  • SteelersDepot

    Silly to see people argue against Benjamin because he might not see a second contract. Has it really come to that? That’s seriously grasping for straws.
    Peshek has KB with a 9.68% drop rate. Based on him being targeted 87 times in 2013, that’s a total of 8.5 drops. If you saw those drops, you would see that most are because he turns his head up-field too quickly instead of watching the ball all the way in. These are not Heyward-Bey kind of drops.

  • WIINGY

    I agree with everything you said, but I just not a big fan of Ebron.

  • WIINGY

    I think Evans is just flat out better. Throw what positions they play out the window. Who’s a better all around receiver?

  • Matt Manzo

    Thank you! Did everyone hear that?!!!

  • Matt Manzo

    You’re on a roll today!!!

  • srdan

    To keep it 100% honest with you, I have seen neither play except flashes in bar while drinking of Manziel running around and heaving it up towards Evans.

    I don’t watch college. From what I have read, evans is probably the better prospect, but my argument is that is very close and offset by our higher need at tight end due to ageing starter(s).

  • srdan

    I should of been a politician huh? Said a bunch of nothing that sorta makes sense.

  • WIINGY

    Evans has great hands, and better speed. He can do it all.
    Ebron’s ceiling to me is an Aaron Hernandez type player(on the field)

    Evan ceiling? He reminds me of Jimmy Graham.

  • Steelers58

    True. But that is dessert.
    You have to crawl before you can walk. To me, make sure u can run at will. Then go and add someone like that.
    Let me know wit u think , I have more to add

  • BradleyT

    I agree. I like a strong running game over a passing game… Like we used to have. I’m just thinking that would help open it up

  • Steve

    Sure did last year with Jarvis??

  • steelster

    Peshek has Jordon Matthews with a 7.69% drop rate and he said he was being kind that it really is somewhere between 7-11%. I bring this up because many people on here are also high on Matthews but his drop percentage is only 2 percent lower than Benjamins. Benjamin had twice the red zone production of Matthews last year and I will take the extra 2 drops per 100 throws to him for that kind of red zone production. I couldn’t find the drop rate percentage for adams. Jarvis Landry has the best hands in the draft with only 2 dropped passes and reminds me of a mixture of hines ward and anquan boldin. If the steelers pass on Benjamin I wouldn’t mind landry in the 3rd round.

  • PA2AK

    ???

  • Steve

    Watch again. Against Arizona Lee have over 400 recieving yards. If that is not remarable, nothing is.

  • http://batman-news.com MC

    I just think that if you’re gonna be a WR picked at 15, soft hands and crisp routes should be part of the scouting report.
    Since Benjamin isn’t known for those qualities, i believe it would be a reach at 15.
    The NFL defenders will expose his skills when he can no longer dominate with his size.

  • Josh Knepshield

    I will listen to them over random guys on Steelersdepot. Thank you anyway Brad.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Benjamin didn’t exactly lead Division one in Red Zone TDs this season. I don’t get why so many seem to think he has the RZ threat market cornered. Yeah, he played for the top team, but that is a two-way consideration.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    You draft for long term help, not short term gain. Yeah, he put up gaudy numbers in college. So did Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins, Davonte Adams, Brandon Cooks,and others, many of whom had better red zone production. There is a ton of WR depth in this draft and we could get a CB/LB/DE in the first and still address the WR need in the second without much drop-off in potential.

    Especially when you consider the Steelers like younger players, which he is not.

  • Steve

    Was replying to what you said: But you also can’t draft on where your biggest holes are. The Steelers sure did last year in drafting Jarvis Jones.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Dave, although he would have been an attractive pick had he come up the year AFTER our last SB appearance, I think I just may slit my wrists if Colbert and Co. take Benjamin with our 1st rd pick!!!
    So many needs, so many MUCH safer picks to be had……

  • PA2AK

    I see. I was talking about how I’d approach it. As for the Steelers…given the reports that they assumed JJ would be well gone by then…they went by biggest hole and best tallent (according to them). Not a bad approach. All I was saying is there needs to be a balance of more than one factor…I think they did that last year and are continuing the same this year.

  • dkoy85

    Benjamin does the same thing midfield but also does it in the endzone. I also wouldnt call what Evans does high pointing the ball… sure he goes up but i rarely see him extended to his full potential… there has to be a reason he doesnt do it in the red zone. Actually in all his film i watched(4 games) and his highlights I havent seen a true high point.My thinking is he doesnt have the knack to… maybe I’ll eat my words this year. Maybe he’ll learn… maybe he wont. Maybe he has a better QB so he doesnt have to like Benjamin does? Regardless he’s gona be a good player.

    My original point was he doesnt high point it like Benjamin. We dont need somebody to stretch the field and Benjamins ability to go up, stretch out and get the ball is unmatched in this draft. Until I see Evans do it I’ll be happier with Benjamin…even at 1.15.

  • rey perez

    So whos worth the 15th pick? And let me remind you that everybody thought le’veon bell was a reach and we all know how that worked out

  • Jason White

    When I watched Superbowl 43 and I seen Larry Fitzgerald make a leaping grab over the head of Ike Taylor the Cardinals radio announcer called Fitz the “scourge of the redzone”. At that point I really wanted to see the Steelers have a weapon like that. Not saying Benjamin is as good as Fitz by any stretch of the imagination. He gives me the “scourge of the redzone” sense. He makes those leaping grabs over the heads of defenders and they are powerless to stop him. Its a trait the Steelers need in a receiver. I hope I hear Roger Gotohell announce “With the 15th pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Kelvin Benjamin, wide receiver, Florida State”.

  • AQSteel

    I’m now open to the possibility of selecting KB with the 15th pick, as Dave has effectively defended his position on him. I was not convinced that he’d be good fit at 15 but after Dave suggested that I review the animated GIFs in one of his podcast (i.e., smell a lot like Limas Sweed), I stand corrected… You can’t deny the kid’s redone production and if him and the rest of the O can manage to get to the redone consistently, his presence alone should help immensely… KB has now moved up to number 4 on my wish list for the Steelers at 15: Gilbert, Evans, Ebron, KB…

  • rey perez

    Me too

  • craig newhouser

    For what it’s worth , The Steelers did take him to dinner. The last guy they took to dinner ended up in the Black n Gold . (L. Bell )

  • Josh Knepshield

    How do we know how that worked out? He missed a quarter of the season, and he wasn’t a great back by any means. I still call for a trade back and take CB Kyle Fuller

  • Josh Knepshield

    Evans dropped 3% of his passes, while Benjamin dropped 11% of his passes. Evans is also faster. Evans all day.

  • Louis

    I’m an FSU fan and I love Benjamin, but I recognize that Evans is a better receiver. To get Evans, however, the Steelers will more than likely have to move up 5 or 6 spots, which I doubt they can do. Giving up a 4th rounder probably isn’t enough to get a deal done. They can’t trade their 3rd because it’s a compensatory pick. And giving up a 2nd is probably too rich for Colbert’s blood. This is especially so when the Steelers can probably move back 5 or 6 spots, add a 3rd or 4th rounder in the process and still draft Benjamin. I won’t be surprised if the Steelers take neither of them and instead go for one of the sub 4.4 guys like Brandon Cooks, John Brown or Martavius Bryant – Tomlin loves speed.

  • PA2AK

    Good points

  • Toddy Bravo

    He can yawn all he wants, but you’re absolutely right. Everyone is so enamored with Benjamin’s size, while the reality is that Marquis Lee is a far better receiver in every conceivable way except for size (Round 1 option). Davante Adams is also a better overall receiver than KB (Round 2 option). If the argument is that most of the pro bowl receivers last year were large, these folks should remember that those receivers all had other desirable qualities, like elite hands, speed and/or route running ability, none of which applies to Benjamin. He’s a raw one-trick pony as of right now, but he does have enormous upside. That is the kind of player you take on day 2 or 3, not at 15 overall.

  • Toddy Bravo

    My aversion to taking him at #15 has nothing to do with a 2nd contract. It has to do with 4-5 other players being better receivers.

  • Toddy Bravo

    I wasn’t pleased with Landry’s pedestrian 40 time, but he’s a football player. His hands, blocking and route running are phenomenal. He just looks like a Steeler, doesn’t he?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Moncrief I think is a great second day option as well. he is less of a RZ threat than Adams, but more polished overall.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Ignore Spaeth because he’s a blocker, Jam Moye, then you only have two guys to defend. :) J/K.

  • Toddy Bravo

    I am very high on Moncrief as a 2nd round option. He has size, speed and production against top competition. His athleticism is what really sticks out. Like Benjamin, he has some drops, but I’m far more comfortable taking a player like that in round 2.

    My top 4 picks would go this way:

    1. Evans, Gilbert or Dennard

    2. Moncrief, Mathews or best CB available

    3. Best RB available (I really like Charles Sims from WVU)

    4. DE Josh Mauro, Stanford.

  • rey perez

    Jarvid jones is 23

  • rey perez

    1 jarvis Jones is 23
    2 any cb in this draft and the nfl give up height and weight when covering this guy
    3 the tallest cb is 6 ‘3 benjamin is 6’5 and all ben needs to do Is throw it higher than the cb can reach just like what winston did and boom bang its a first down or touchdown

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    “boom bang its a first down or touchdown”

    LOL, because football is that simple. Which is why he’s the consensus #1 pick in the draft…

    Your actual arguments are pretty weak:
    1: One example does not refute that the Steelers like to pick younger players
    2: Coverage is not about height and weight
    3: If this were remotely true we would only see 6’5″ WRs in the league and they would all be pro-bowlers. Derek Moye is 6’5″. If your premises were all that mattered, he would be our guy and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    Ever hear of a thing called Vertical Leap? Both Moncrief and Adams are over 6’1″ and have good body sizes. Both have vertical leaps that were 7″ higher than Benjamin’s, which negates his height. In fact, both had better 40 times, broad jumps, 3-cone drill and shuttle times than Benjamin. Both are younger, both are better route runners, all three are in the top 8-10 WRs in the draft depending on where you look (CBS has KB 6, Adams 8 and Moncrief 10), and both could be had in the 2nd round or later.

    A lot of people have Benjamin as a 2nd round grade (myself included, for the sake of disclosure). I have not seen anything from Benjamin that warrants the higher pick over other of them. The size and playing in the ACC is not enough of a reason to pick him at 15.

  • Josh Knepshield

    There is a difference when the prospect is supposed to be well off technically (Jarvis), and one who may be the most raw at his position (Benjamin).

  • Christopher Collins

    Yeah, he leaves his feet way too much when completely unecessary. If he continues that in the NFL, he’s gonna get crushed.