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Former NFL Scouts Debate Wide Receivers Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin


A few days ago, former NFL scouts Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah had a pretty good debate on the NFL Network about Texas A&M wide receiver Mike Evans and Florida State wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin. Below is a video of it and there’s little doubt that the Pittsburgh Steelers have interest in both of these players.

What’s funny is that Jeremiah was all over Benjamin early in the offseason and I believe he even had him slotted as going to the Steelers in his very first mock draft. Personally, I believe Benjamin is going to be a stud in the NFL for a while.

Hopefully more of these debates are on tap.

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  • pittsburghjoe

    Evans is a beast with good hands, size and speed. The knock on Benjamin is his hands. He seems to be labeled with “bust” potential, which you never hear with Evans.

  • steelster

    Evans is a top 10 pick. Benjamin seems to drop the easy passes which shows a lack of concentration and that can be fixed. They both need to improve on the route running. Evans is also 3 years younger than Benjamin. I think for the steelers it will come down to picking between Benjamin and Eric Ebron and that is the debate I want to hear and read about.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Its funny you mentioned the age difference. I was just looking that up and was suprised to see that Benjamin is 23 years of age. I thought he was younger than Evans.

  • steelster

    Not sure Benjamin would make it past the ravens or the jets. I think the browns might be a trading partner for the steelers because it sounds like they might wait until the 26th pick to take a qb. The cardinals pick 20th and I could see them wanting a qb, so the browns may look to move ahead of them.

  • Michael Pearce

    Gotta admit I would be happy with either one for our first round pick but Evans is my wish. These are the two gems of big WR’s though. Benjamin reminds me some of Plaxico.

  • Jollyrob68

    San Diego is at 25 and they might want to come up and it’ll cost them a 2nd. O expect Cleveland might want to move up if a QB slips

  • dkoy85

    I have a feelin Benjamin wont make it past the Jets.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Let hope he does not own a pair of pants that say’s insert your own bullet here.

  • Aric Brown

    I spent some time watching WR film today on Watkins, Evans, Benjamin, MONCRIEF, and Matthews and in my opinion the 2nd best receiver in this draft is Jordan Matthews. I think there is huge value in grabbing him in the 2nd round.

  • Doug Sawyer

    anyone cajoling anything other than Benjamin is asleep at the wheel

  • steelster

    So if the steelers selected Benjamin he would probably average 700-800 yards a season and 10-12 tds.

  • Doug Sawyer

    at least …but more important would be what he does to make Pittsburgh stronger over all …moving the chains…loosening LB’s and safeties up …Keeping xtra pressure off Ben

  • steelster

    he doesn’t accelerate well off the line of scrimmage how does that protect ben

  • Doug Sawyer

    Because Brown does and Benjamin will need an extra man to just freaking tackle him …it is about the bigger picture…that means one less guy to blitz with.. it means second guessing your cover responsibilities …it means guys like Miller are getting LB’s in coverage…bad for them good for us

  • steelster

    ok I’m still not sold on Benjamin but I’m getting there. Why do you like him over Ebron.

  • Doug Sawyer

    with Bell and Blount we can bash teams drawing their LB’s and S’s in which leaves Benjamin to
    brutalize… damaging guys on other teams secondary…couple that with Brown and that is a living nightmare to deal with

  • steelster

    Ebron is also a mismatch and te’s like him don’t come along that often. The 2015 wr draft class is also strong.

  • Doug Sawyer

    It’s not that I don’t like Ebron…he just does not seem like the right fit, right now…Miller has a couple more years left in him and I really feel that with the addition of Haley …Pittsburgh decided to go back to power football…

    Benjamin is a good blocker and a better rout runner than Ebron…better hands(as much as everyone knock’s KB)Ebron is poor in the blocking game…that is just not going to cut it in Pittsburgh…If we miss KB I hope we go with the kid from Penn State, Robinson

  • Doug Sawyer

    If Pittsburgh has to line up in double TE sets…like it did last year…it’s because we have not fixed our O line problem…Ebron does NOTHING to help us in that department…So Miller is going to be the starter and we’re not fooling anyone by putting an Ebron on the field…he’d be there to catch the Ball…so why not just go and get a better version of that same guy(Benjamin)

  • steelster

    Ok, I’m not trying to argue with you doug i just like a good valid reason for why someone likes a certain player and you are coming up with good reasons. What do you think of coleman from Rutgers.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    We don’t need a WR to move the chains, we have that. We need a WR/TE that can score.

  • Doug Sawyer

    I know…It’s just a perspective thing and a gut feeling…Tomlin is high on FSU kids…maybe from his Tampa days…I live in Florida so I see tons of extra stuff on these guys…Benjamin comes from Belle Glade,FL
    last #1 we took at WR was Holmes from same place…they did dinner with him…the Steelers don’t do that…he fits redzone need…he fits NFL desired body type …he comes from a winning program and played in big time games
    He has tremendous upside…I honestly think everything else is just a card game but Pittsburgh will do it diligence

  • Doug Sawyer

    oh yeah,He’s working out with Ike Taylor in Orlando

  • steelster

    give us a example please.

  • Doug Sawyer

    all I can Honestly say about Coleman…was that when everyone went to see Bridgewater …we were also eye spying Coleman…that says a lot

  • Jay Jaber

    Mike evans made johnny manziel. If mike evans is off the board the steelers will take KB. I don’t think they will take Ebron in the first. People are overlooking the Need for WR. We need a WR in the fist we have no one but antonio brown(playing out side) and I can see where your coming from on TE Heaths red zone numbers dramatically dropped this past year he had a couple drops in the red zone so we do need to upgrade

  • steelster

    Yes I’m beginning to think the steelers should take KB. I doubt ebron will be on the board when the steelers select. I think tampa changed the draft with that trade and i think evans will go to tampa and ebron to the bills Also, i would hate for KB to go to the ravens and turn into a star.

  • Toddy Bravo

    I’d feel better about Benjamin in latter part of the 1st round/early 2nd. Call me crazy, but I don’t think a WR at #15 overall should have any questions about his hands. Above all else, the hands should be elite.

  • steelster

    but we can’t get him later and yes he comes with some risk but he is a matchup nightmare for defenses.

  • Jason White

    I make one major argument for Kelvin Benjamin. The Steelers have struggled for years now with scoring in the redzone and it has kept their offense from putting up more than field goals a lot of the time. If they really want to get over the redzone hump then they really should just take Benjamin at 15 because I don’t think he will be there in the mid 20s if they trade back. Benjamin in his rookie year would make a much bigger impact than most other players. The idea is winning now and taking the player that helps you most is the best thing they could do. A rookie corner would most likely sit for a year playing only in sub packages and on special teams. These types of redzone monsters don’t come along every year.

  • steelster

    I like KB but what concerns me are his drops. He has the highest drop percentage among the top 9 receivers. Look at rotoworld metrics 1.0 wr and rotoworld metrics 2.0 wr’s both very interesting articles.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Of how we can move the chains? Brown was second in the league in first downs last season.

    Or of guys that I think would be a better fit than Benjamin? In terms of overall value, I would prefer Evans if he was still around. Or Amaro, Ebron, Davonte Adams (as a later pick). To be honest, with as deep as this draft is for pass catchers, I think we are better offer picking a defensive player in the first and picking up a receiver or two later.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Davonte Adams may be just as big a red zone threat as Benjamin, and could be had later.

  • steelster

    i agree

  • pittsburghjoe

    That is a possibility! So is Robinson.

  • Callentown

    DRAFT SITUATION QUESTION: Okay, what if this scenario happens, who should the Steelers pick?

    Both Evans and Gilbert are available at 15 – who’s the pick?

  • Weiss Chad

    I agree

  • Aric Brown

    go watch tape on benjamin and watch how many times he voluntarily goes down you sir are drunk with benjamins size and failing to see ALL of his shortcomings

  • Aric Brown

    Gilbert then Matthews in the 2nd, and then Desir in the 3rd

  • Aric Brown

    I really like the kid Desir he’s got a motor on him that I’ve never seen on a corner before

  • cp72

    Nick Saban said during the national championship pregame that Auburn better have a plan to stop Benjamin because he can take over a game. Funny he didn’t mention Greene who you are saying is their number one receiver.

  • Aric Brown

    green had 22 more catches and 100 more yards.. Benjamin only caught 50 balls and his longest catch of they year did not go for a touchdown… y you ask??? because he’s not outrunning anybody

  • cp72

    He’s slow enough to average 19.4 yards a catch.

  • Ike Evans

    Gilbert..he’s more of s playmaker…we need playmakers

  • Ike Evans

    I agree…I love Jordan Matthews on tape….nobody talks about him

  • Aric Brown

    Theres only one Calvin Johnson.. and theres 50 other 6 foot 5 WR’s whos names we can’t remember

  • Aric Brown

    I completely disagree with Evans making Manziel… Evans had a couple great catches but for the most part Johnny Football was dropping the ball directly in his hands

  • Aric Brown

    if Benjamin had a 3rd round grade I’d like the pick but there is almost 0 value for that in the 1st round

  • Matt Manzo

    That’s exactly how I’m hoping it plays out!!!

  • Matt Manzo

    Do we know if Jordan Matthews can block?

  • pittsburghjoe

    I read he has the ability but is inconsistent.

  • Callentown

    I’m guessing both will be gone. IF so, I think for some reason the Steelers will pull off trading down. Cleveland trades up from 26 to take Manziel, giving up our third from last year.

    Steelers pick Shazier at 26
    Rd 2 Amaro
    Rd 3 D. Adams at WR
    Rd 3 Desir (seems like everyone on this board has them taking him and so do I)

  • Callentown

    I agree with you.

  • pat

    Man this is the same thing I said I live in TN and have seen this kid play all the hype over Benjamin but I believe Matthews will be better and played against great competition being in the SEC. Matthews is a better value in the 2nd than any wr in the 1st

  • shawn

    Well …u’ll hear it here then … Evans has HUGE bust potential, but more than likely i would say mediocrity is what is more likely to happen with him … very confident that Benjamin will be a much more productive player than Evans … but i do admit that Benjamin has a slight Bust potential as well, maybe as high as 20% .

    While Evans has some pretty good measurables his skills in college do not transfer well in the pros as opposed to Benjamin which i think ALL his pluses will greatly benefit any team that takes him !

  • shawn

    not sure why u are high on Evans .. I rarely saw him do well over the middle .. hated the fade routes and jump balls both low % in the pros and wasn’t an outstanding RZ receiver !

  • shawn

    THank You … u are spot on … Matthews is the 2nd best WR by FAR … i would be very happy with him in the 2nd (Adams isn’t bad at all either … way underrated) Although Benjamin isn’t anywhere near the receiver Matthews is he would benefit us just as much with his mismatch and RZ prowess !

  • shawn

    but not better value than a trade down with beniamin ( 2 players for price of one ) that would be my preferred choice !

  • shawn

    yes … and u wouldnt be happy with that ??? if we traded down and picked up another stud in the 3rd as well !!

  • shawn

    I think u are completely off on evaluating Benjamin !

  • shawn

    exactly … thanks for making that point !

  • shawn

    u will be WRONG !

  • shawn

    better receiver yes … better RZ not close !

  • shawn

    easy … gilbert

  • shawn

    he looks alright but lacks quickness … like gaines and SJB better

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I watched most Fresno State games. Adams is one hell of a RZ threat. Those 24TDs don’t lie. When you factor in that Adams could be had much later in the draft, the value is there.

  • steelster

    fresno state doesn’t always play tough competition.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Which has nothing to do with his ability to catch in the end zone or go up after the ball. Adams is the real deal. I would take him in 2nd and a CB or DE in the first over Benjamin in the first.

  • shawn

    i agree he would definitely be an improvement for us in the RZ … but still can’t compare to KB as a matchup problem in the RZ … even when he doesnt score it will only add TDs to the other receivers !!

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Any competent RZ threat will do that. Benjamin may end up great, but there are a lot of concerns with drops and polish.

    For what it’s worth as far as level of competition, KB only scored 4 of his TDs against teams that finished more than 1 game over .500.

  • steelster

    My point was that if he played in the SEC I don’t think he would have 24 tds. Yes, the guy has good hands.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    You are right, although some of that is simple as the fact that pass heavy offenses like Fresno State’s would never work in the SEC. Yes, he’s a step down from KB, but I don’t think the step is that huge.

  • http://batman-news.com MC

    “If you take a WR at 15, good hands are a prerequisite for the job”
    Exactly.
    Benjamin is too much of a risk at 15. Evans at 15 would be like the Decastro pick a couple years ago

  • shawn

    i think both of u are putting WAY too much into his drops … he has good hands and makes great tough catches … he’s not limas sweed by any stretch … can he improve on hi occasional lapse of judgement sure … but from what i read his rate drop was around 9% which aint that bad to begin with … AB drops A LOT of balls and i have no problem with his drops as he has crazy production !

  • shawn

    not even close .. GIlbert … by FAR … not an Evans fan by any means … Gilbert is a playmaker which we RARELY get on DEF … these playmakers are a dime a dozen on offense !

  • Callentown

    I like it. And I agree, more from a defensive perspective. I don’t know what Evans will be in the NFL.

  • Steven Ledbetter

    if Gilbert and Dennard are available they take Dennard

  • Callentown

    Ooh, tough call. I think they take Gilbert from the sheer athlete perspective – ability to return INT’s and Kickoffs/Punts, but it’s a tough call with Denard having the better fundamentals.

    Personally, I prefer Fuller at CB but they would have to trade down most likely for that to occur.

  • shawn

    Ya … everyone seems to be in love with the guy but i just dont see it … I could very well be wrong but I’m just not comfortable with the skills I’ve seen from Evans in the NFL …

  • Steven Ledbetter

    yes I know what you mean about Gilbert… I have a feeling Dennard will hold everyone like Taylor.

  • Callentown

    The speed difference between Ike and Dennard is big though. I feel like if you’re drafting a CB in the first round, he should be able to be your #1 corner.

    I don’t know if Dennard can do that at 4.5. What do you think?

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