Steelers Sign WR Darrius Heyward-Bey

The Pittsburgh Steelers visit Wednesday with Indianapolis Colts free agent wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey must have went well as it is now being reported that he’s signed a one-year contract with the team.

While details of the contract are unknown at this time, one would think that the former first-round draft pick of the Oakland Raiders signed for the veteran minimum.

Heyward-Bey had a miserable season last year with the Colts and it included him dropping nine passes. The Maryland product still has youth and speed on his side, however, and he will now compete for a spot on the Steelers 53 man roster in training camp.

The signing of Heyward-Bey shouldn’t affect the Steelers draft plans at all when it comes to drafting a wide receiver. If anything, his signing gives the Steelers a layer of experienced depth should they not be able to draft a wide receiver to their liking in the early rounds.

Heyward-Bey is the second outside free agent wide receiver that the Steelers have signed this offseason as former New Orleans Saints wide receiver Lance Moore was signed a short time ago to replace Jerricho Cotchery, who signed as a free agent with the Carolina Panthers.

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  • Crowned

    No harm in this signing. Let’s see if he makes the 53 man roster. We can pray he wakes up.

  • steeltown

    This reminds me of the Van Dyke signing on soo many levels

  • SFIC

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally in favor of adding depth, but this is ridiculous.

  • steeltown

    No worries though, low risk signing to an ever changing offseason roster

  • chris ward

    Wow, this is the most active the Steelers have been in FA for quite a while. No problem with the signing, it’s at a low risk. Heyward-Bey will compete for a roster spot, can give depth at WR and contribute on special teams, he does have some nice speed. Just hope he can clean up those drops.

  • Caesar

    So that makes two former Raider 2009 draft busts added in one offseason. Woo hop!

  • Caesar

    Err, make that “woo hoo” (damn auto-correct)

  • Matt Manzo

    One year means its a kick the tires in training camp situation. Maybe they think they can turn around his drops? I just don’t want him taking snaps from JBrown, I’d like to give him the best chance to see if he can play. But DHBs speed is attractive!

  • Matt Manzo

    They should’ve been 3rd rounders though.

  • cencalsteeler

    A former first rounder for possibly vet minimum? Not a bad wager. Now, we need to put our trust in Mann to correct some of his problems and for him to create some competition within. I agree with what another poster stated earlier, Colts seemed to use him in the wrong manner. I’d like to see more out patterns with this kid as opposed to over the middle routes. Get his confidence up and the route tree can grow some more branches.

  • PA2AK

    I disagree as it seems very low risk (pending terms of deal). Care to share your reasoning?

  • Paddy

    Steelers thinking like New England thinks… why not, he could help

  • PA2AK

    Mann is the…man for the job. not that it is critical to the teams success with DHB, but Mann has spent some serious time with kids that have tremendous talent but lack direction. Can’t discount his time in Quip to that end.

  • Joe Schenk

    Size too.. he’s the tallest one we have now

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    A lightning fast WR that can’t catch. I doubt he makes the roster.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Even as a third rounder, DHB would have been a bust.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    It is low risk. It is also low upside.

  • Craig Ressler

    It’s a shame he can’t play receiver because his time/drilled measurables are pretty stinking awesome.

  • Toddy Bravo

    This is a definitely some “WOW” news. Never expected it. While I don’t think catching the football can be taught to a WR, this must be an extremely low risk signing for them to do so with so little cap space available. Even if he signed for vet minimum, wouldn’t we have had to restructure someone to get this done?

  • 804Stiller

    Too many drops over his career. I wouldn’t mess with him. But, I guess it’s low risk………..What da heck. Does he contribute on special teams?

  • cencalsteeler

    Dave. So basically, the Steelers have signed 7 free agents for around 8 million guaranteed money? How can that not be a successful offseason? Plus, Munchak and Porter additions to the coaching staff.

  • http://www.nyob.com/ Dr. Doom

    Uh Mike Mitchell was rated 20 spots higher than Ryan Clark in 2013.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    If anyone can help him, Mann can. but you can’t coach hands, and he just doesn’t have them.

  • http://www.nyob.com/ Dr. Doom

    He did have a very productive season in 2011.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Most of those kids in Quip though are ballers. They have tremendous football skills. DHB has tremendous measurables but limited football skills.

  • Nolrog

    Even if he signed for the vet min, wouldn’t the cost (after displacement) be more than the ~32K we have left?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Only in relative terms. 975 with 4 TDs is what you look for from an average #1. And that season was a big time outlier that accounts for 1/3rd of his career stats.

  • Craig Ressler

    He did have a semi productive ’11 and people were thinking he might be turning the corner. There were expectations that he would build off of ’11 and start really tapping into his 1st round pedigree. Obviously the rest is history. Looking back probably shouldn’t be too surprised he had success in ’11 for that was when Hue Jackson was there calling the shots. Hue has an great ability to maximize players abilities and strengthens, IMO.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    I’m generally not a fan of “rental” players. I like to see the position players who are going to be on the team for years to come gelling and getting significant playing time together. Hopefully DHB doesn’t get in the way of that. If he can bring something as a 4th WR while a draft pick gets up to speed…eh…I guess there’s no harm.

  • cencalsteeler

    He’s got to be able to catch a bubble screen, you’d think!?

  • PA2AK

    maybe right. I think DHB has some confidence and concentration issues that make his hands look worse than they are. Not saying Mann could make him to a 180, but he just might be the right guy to get through to DHB. We’ll see…low risk, high reward potential.

  • Bill Sechrengost

    I just think the Steelers got burned so badly by not having veteran depth at some positions that they are making sure this year that they have veteran depth (Vince Williams wasn’t ready last year, but it was all they had) just in case. I don’t see anything wrong with this pickup. He is a fourth wide receiver and may not even make the team.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    From his tape, placing the ball in his chest/gut is the worst thing you can do…

  • cencalsteeler

    Nice points. Start him slow with outs and bubble screens and possibly a kick returner.

  • dkoy85

    The best part is we didnt downgrade at positions we lost starters and got better for the most part, added depth. Now they can focus on finding playmakers in the draft.

  • PA2AK

    imo…there is only upside. additional potential is to push our other players to excel. if they respond anywhere close to how AB responded a couple years ago, there is tremendous upside. The upside, to me, doesn’t reside with just DHB.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    With this signing and the fact that the Steelers are likely drafting a WR in the early rounds, if I’m J. Brown and Moye, I just got very nervous.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I hope so. I just don’t see the reward potential at this point in his career. He spent more time as the #4 option in Oakland than as the #1.

  • steeltown

    Brilliant

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I only rate the upside of the player in most cases. I agree with your points, but I think you can say that about any veteran signing, which narrows things down to the differences between individual players for me.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    We downgraded at DE.

  • PA2AK

    i hear you

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    More so Moye. Brown has PS eligibility left and is younger. Moye didn’t turn the corner that he should have last year. I think Brown is more likely to make the team than DHB, personally. And this from someone who hated the Brown pick.

  • Caesar

    I’m trying to be sort of humorous. I know Mitchell did well in Carolina and is an upgrade on Clark. Though comparing him to Clark from last year isn’t saying much!

  • Rick M

    The first part of your sentence is the funniest line of the year. Thanks for the chuckle.

  • cencalsteeler

    Plus, I have faith in Brad Wing. The punting situation can’t get any worse than it’s been, right?

  • http://www.nyob.com/ Dr. Doom

    maybe he will switch to DB, just have to turn his hands the other way.

  • http://www.nyob.com/ Dr. Doom

    From Ziggy? Really?

  • steeltown

    Downgraded by subtraction or loss in FA.. we didn’t really add to the position, making DE a high priority in the draft for sure. I know its been said that Cam Thomas can play DE but that’s not the ultimate goal, he’ll provide depth across the line but primarily at NT

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Sadly, no, it cannot.

  • steeltown

    So true, the kid has tons of potential

  • http://www.nyob.com/ Dr. Doom

    Its called training camp depth people, they didn’t go dig up Yancey Thigpen

  • http://www.nyob.com/ Dr. Doom

    Two Words-Paul Ernster

  • PA2AK

    i guess I find the reward in paying him peanuts without any guarantees. just from a competition standpoint, it’s great. in recent years we’ve been rounding out the camp bodies with lots of undrafted guys that don’t have a chance. This year is setting up much differently. lack of job security is a real good thing for this team.

  • PA2AK

    or keep his hands the same way…end result is the ball on the ground!

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Yes really. Think about it. We had:
    Heyward
    An aging Kiesel
    Ziggy, who, while he is a better fit as a backup in the 3-4 was solid.

    Now we have Heyward
    Cam Tomas, a guy that rarely ever played DE, was bad at it, and was only allowed on the field in cases of injury against certain offensive fronts
    and the same depth guys that he had waiting in the wings last season.

    There is no objective metric by which that is not a downgrade.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    I totally disagree.

    There is no downside and he could click with Ben and become mike wallace. It isn’t likely but upside doesn’t mean probable.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Exactly. As it stands now, we are much worse off than last year. The draft may change that and DE has to be a high priority whether they re-sign Kiesel or not. But today, it’s a downgrade.

  • Craig Ressler

    He could accumulate a lot of PD for the D, haha!

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I didn’t address the signing, I addressed your comment.

    I said below he is nothing but training camp depth and unlikely to make the roster.

  • Rick M

    Agree completely SF, but this seems to be what the Steelers have become, i.e. often signing guys that are virtually unwanted around the league.

    Could we bring back Cowher solely to handle FA and draft decisions? Something tells me that he was the driving force in the great personnel decisions that led to the recent glory years.

  • PA2AK

    agree with the DL unit. it is likely the most critical hole on the team at this point. doubt we’ll see one drafted in the first on value, but they will target there early. still an outside chance to bring Keisel back…just have to figure out what his minimum wage is these days.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    “lack of job security is a real good thing for this team.”

    Definitely. Job Security is part of what got us here. I appreciate the veteran depth movement. I also hate this particular signing even while I hope I am wrong.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    I’ll bet DHB is glad he won’t see Ryan Mundy in the locker room. #TooSoon?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Kick Returner would be interesting. He has never done that in his career though, which makes me wonder why, given his speed.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I am thinking DE in the 2nd or 3rd at the latest and we bring Kiesel back in June.

  • Aaron Green

    I dont understand why anyone would be upset signing someone to a minimum contract. Its not like they are throwing money and years of backloaded contracts at overaged playerd past their prime. Worst case scenario is DHB is a camp casualty and doesnt make the team. What if he makes the team and contributes? Its better than not signiny anyone and lacking depth.

  • Kenneth Wilt

    That is the problem though….he tries to catch with his body too much.

  • Rick M

    Why is this “WOW” news? No one else wanted the guy. Agree with the rest of your comment, but the first line confuses me, unless you were meaning to be facetious. Cheers.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    And that isn’t productive for a min wage guy?

    Get a grip

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I never said there was a downside. I said the upside is low. He is in his 6th season and has been terrible with the exception of one decent year. The upside at this point is minimal.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Because his hands stink, lol.

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    Since first learning of the DHB possibility, my thoughts/feelings have undergone rapid changes…

    Wait, what? That guy?… Big name, early first-rounder… So fast!!!!!!… And so exciting!!!!! Oh, right, he sucks… and those GIFs… ugh… the guy can’t catch… the Raiders were so [bleeping] stupid, as always… but we need depth… and we have a bit of cap room… and maybe he gives our younger guys a run for the money… so sure, okay, fine.

    You get the point. It’s been a reaction of vicissitudes until I finally landed on:

    Meh, whatever. What’s the worst that could happen? He’s a camp guy, could surprise, still has upside, makes sense.

    But on another note, I do think this complete (pre-draft) a pretty incredible FA run for the front office. I know we missed out on Carrington and MJD (if you think he’s better than Blount, which he’s probably not at this point), and I know there are still holes, particularly at DE, and I know it was tough to lose Woods and Cotchery and maybe Dwyer, and I know some of the signings we’ve made, like McCain and Thomas, aren’t exactly earth-shattering, but look at all Colbert and his team were able to do with not exactly a ton of money to work with: a starting FS with huge upside, depth at CB, LB, DL, RB, and WR, while retaining some of our own key pieces. And all this with more money coming after Woodley is off the books and without having to restructure Timmons and Ben. Oh, and not to mention the Worilds signing (even if not long-term) and the great deals we got from Polamalu and Timmons.

    Seriously, incredible work.

  • Burgh Ball

    g-sus – I hope the Steelers are smart enough to switch from Glassware to Plastic at St Vincents.. Otherwise it’ll sound like the 1929 Stock market up there…

  • cencalsteeler

    Awesome post! 100 upvotes.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Your sense of context is absolutely terrible. He was not a minimum wage guy in that season. Further in only one other season did he even put up half of those numbers. Given his history, he is unlikely to make the team, let alone put up more than 200yds and a pair of TDs.

    Your rose colored glasses and standoffish attitude continue to get the better of you.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    HAH!

  • 804Stiller

    I think Cotchery/Sanders > Moore/Heyward-Bey and Keisel/Hood > Cam Thomas at DE? The WR we draft should definitely improve that position. As we stand today, you would have to say, WR and the 2DE spot are downgraded some. On the other hand, we upgraded the safety position and running back depth. Other than adding Carrington, I think we are in as good shape as we could have expected knowing we would lose Worilds or Woodley.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    You don’t understand what upside means.

    Upside for his career? Who cares?

    The steelers signed him for next too nothing and he could turn out very good. That is how you would define high upside

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Outside of the DL, they have done pretty solid given the holes and cap situation they were facing.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    He caught 64 balls a few years back… That is acceptable for a four or five… maybe he can turn into a successful return man. Low risk, high reward.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I agree. WR has always been a target for the draft, and this is a good one for them. At DE either they know something we don’t about the depth guys, or they have someone targeted early in the draft.

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    Sorry, I meant the great deals we got from Polamalu and Miller.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    He was the #1 that year though, and still had a lot of drops.

    No way he sees even half that many targets this year unless something goes seriously wrong ahead of him on the depth chart.

  • Rick M

    What worries me a lot about Mike Mitchell is that the Carolina front four undoubtedly made their CB’s and safeties look better than they are. By contrast, the Steelers CBs and safeties are probably better than they appeared as the Steelers had a weak pass rush. I guarantee you if Clark and Mitchell had swapped teams in 2013, Clark would have ended up ranking higher than Mitchell. That’s what a strong pass rush, or significant lack thereof, does.

  • PA2AK

    I remember when Clark and Farrior were unwanted. No one is saying DHB will be anything remotely close to successful, but how is it a foolish move? I’m guessing here, but he came in for peanuts and isn’t guaranteed much if anything. At the very least, he’ll give our defenders a very fast player to cover in camp…good practice. better than an undrafted bum that can’t run a sub-5 40 and has never experienced an NFL game.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Context is right. Do you even know what the date is and what teams board you are commenting on?

    This is 2014 and we are talking about a player the steelers signed to play next year for a non guaranteed minimum deal..or thereabouts. Tons of upside with no risk.

    The raiders board is where you would discuss the value of him as a first round pick

  • CW

    Even with this signing I would not be surprised to see the Steelers take two wide receivers in the draft, one early and one late.

    But as far as experienced depth goes this is probably very low risk high potential reward. Bey has done well with some quarterbacks and if he can develop with Big Ben he could be a great asset. If he can’t he probably has a one year vet. min. contract anyway that will cause no headaches if he gets cut in camp.

    So probably no big deal either way.

  • PA2AK

    And there were plenty of cases that Clark made the entire D look old with some awful run support and trailing by 5 yards in coverage….so there’s that to consider as well. I get what you’re saying though.

  • Steelers58

    I hope it is a non guaranteed contract.
    Can this kid play special teams at all?

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Lame

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I understand exactly what upside means. It has two meanings, the potential to improve over past performance or the potential to contribute positively to the team. Given his career and skill set, I can’t honestly grade either of those as high.

    He was an overrated draft prospect that Oakland drafted based on speed alone even while everyone else questioned whether he was a true football player or not. He spent most of his career in Oakland as the #3 or worse guy, excepting one year that would be decent from a #2 (and he was their #1 that year). He had 1/3 as many drops as catches last season. There is nothing whatsoever to make us think he might turn out to be very good.

  • grw1960

    With all the free agent signings. The Steelers seem to be trying to plug
    enough holes. To get them in a position to select strickly BPA as much
    as possible in the up coming draft.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Clark and Farrior are bad examples. Farrior played well his last season with the Jets but they weren’t ready to pay him based on that single season. Clark was a formerly undrafted guy considered an average journeyman that surprised everyone in our system. Neither had anything near the problems DHB did before coming to us. The change is there, but as we said, he’s a camp body, nothing more.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Wrong again.

    Upside refers to the chance of the risk taken returning more than what you pay.

    He is being paid almost nothing and could turn into anything between nothing and pretty darn good. That means its all upside and it has nothing to do with opinion.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Agreed. I get what he’s saying, but Clark hit a wall last year in a big way and was a liability.

  • PA2AK

    I know it is only potential, but we can’t discount Wheaton. There has been no indication that he isn’t going to live up to his potential and is certainly putting in the work necessary. Good head on his shoulders. He’s poised for a breakout year. Sanders wasn’t that good (especially in the clutch), and Cotch isn’t a 10td guy outside of his fluke year of 2013. Not saying you aren’t correct, but I don’t think it is much of a downgrade. I like where the WR position is heading.

  • Paddy

    NE brings in guys all the time that look like fodder, some stick and are productive.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    You beat me to it. We should give him Van Dyke’s number to further the similarities.

  • Rick M

    Foolish isn’t the word I’d use. Sad is probably better. We bring in guys over the last two years like Spaeth, Burress (2013) and Heyward-Bay who no one really wants. There’s no bidding war for any of them and yes, we get them for a cheap price. But they would never be starters or potential starters on a true contending Superbowl team.

    If you have this happen the odd time, no biggie. But the Steelers have become bottom feeders in FA. For the one Mike Mitchell, there are 5 to 6 players signed that are pretty much unwanted by any other team. It just speaks to the significant lack of depth on the roster.

  • Paul Barracliffe

    This is a no risk signing. He may just be able to grow some hands and really help us.

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    And let’s not forget, there’s more coming. 1-15 and nine overall picks in a historically deep draft is nothing to sneeze at. We’ll get potentially a franchise-type CB or WR in the first (or LB, if it’s Mosley; or TE, if it’s Ebron) who should be able to contribute right away, plus a ton of depth everywhere else, and potentially a starter at DE, if not this season then next. And the Woodley money means there will still be room post-June 1 to dip into the FA pool, whether it’s for LSH, some other current FA, or a camp casualty from another team.

    I’m not saying we’ll definitely be a playoff team this year. There are still a lot of question marks. But there’s the potential for this team to grow significantly over the course of the 2014 season and to be competitive throughout. And there’s actually good reason to be excited about where this team might be headed in the future, given how well the front office seems to be handling what looked until just recently like a pretty bleak cap situation for a team built on past-their-prime veterans.

  • steeltown

    On coverage units, yes

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Why can’t you follow a cogent argument? I said nothing about his value as a #1 pick. Yet you continue to inject rebuttals to arguments that nobody even made. You do that with everyone and it is baffling.

    That said, you also have not provided anything beyond “this is 2014 and this is my opinion” for justification for why you think this is a high upside signing. Do you honestly think he is going to put up anything close to his 2011 numbers in our offense? That he will even get the chance to? Do you think he will suddenly become an excellent KR despite never having done it? Where does the “tons” of upside come from? A guy that might contribute 10 catches if we are lucky is NOT tons of upside.

    Or are you just trolling to disagree without actually providing any supporting arguments for your opinions.

  • PA2AK

    Mentioned them only because ‘bringing in people that no one wants’ is about as bad as it gets for a reason to not like this deal. you’re exactly right that he is a camp body first. the only people that think he is being brought in to start seem to be the people that hate this deal. He will be a great addition to camp. Anyone that thinks he will smell the top 3-4 WRs or that the Steelers brought him in for that…are just plain crazy.

  • steeltown

    Well said

  • srdan

    And NE doesent win big games. People need to stop asking for their teams to be modeled after what a new england based media channel has labeled as the “greatest NFL coach and team”.

  • Rick M

    I agree with you and that seems to be what happens with most safeties his age. Washington feels we’re wrong. I guess we’ll find out.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Very good point, CenCal.

    Mann is kind of an under the radar asset. Since his arrival, almost all of our WR’s have been performing better than expected. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

    Mann is doing something right with the whole “attention to detail” training. Maybe he can help DHB’s one small detail weakness… catching the ball?

  • PA2AK

    You seem to be the only guy expecting any of those folks to be starters. Aside from Mitchell, these signing are meant to sure up depth…not looking for guys that are going to take them to the promise land. And Spaeth is a heckuva blocker…who knows what Burress could have done in select cases either? Hopefully you aren’t suggesting spending the same amount of money on bringing in guys who went undrafted and have never played a down of pro-ball to serve as our depth?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Your definition is exactly what I said as my second definition, stated in different words.

    On the other hand, upside is a scale and has everything to do with opinion. Is there upside? Yes. I have not disputed that no matter how many times you pretend I did. Is there a ton of it? No. This isn’t some guy that has the skills and never turned the corner. This is a guy that never showed the skills being brought in as a camp body. That is not a high upside signing.

    Maybe your confusion is not on the definition of upside, but rather on the definition of “high” vs “low”…

  • srdan

    Are we paying him in Frostees?

  • LouPGH

    Not to be pedantic, but actually you conflated a lack of “downside” with a “low upside”. In my opinion, “high upside” would be a term you might use to refer to a “raw” underclassman in the draft, not a veteran whose skills as a football player were questioned from the get-go and when those criticisms have been more or less vindicated by history. I hope as much as the next Steelers fan that he turns his career around in Pittsburgh, but I won’t hold my breath.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I’d be shocked if he made the 53.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    You really need an education

  • PA2AK

    Me too…i’d be shocked if we keep more than 5 WRs on the 53 as well (see what I was getting at there?).

  • Steeler Fanatic

    I think it’s a miracle anybody can catch 64 balls on the Raiders with the drops. :) I agree that he is a backup plan, but he’s simply an option in case we get dinged at the position. I think it’s somewhat of a smoke screen in advance of the draft (along with the CB signing) to imply the Steelers needs are elsewhere.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    You keep saying that. And still you have yet to put up anything of substance to support anything you say. Clearly you aren’t the one capable of “educating” me.

  • srdan

    “oh..and worilds” awesome

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    If that’s a smoke screen and it works, I will have lost all respect for other NFL GMs.

    I happen to think the CB signing has everything to do with special teams and letting Curtis Brown walk, and nothing to do with coverage skills.

  • srdan

    lmao

  • Aaron Green

    Where did you see that they signed anyone but Mitchell to be a starter? If you lack depth where do you suggest they find players? Im sure that Seattle’s superbowl team had plenty of bench players that would still be bench players on most other teams, except maybe the Browns.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I think we will carry 5: Brown, Moore, Wheaton, Draft Pick, J Brown. The last spot is the only one even up for grabs.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Exactly what I have been saying this entire time.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    That isn’t true. A started with where we agree which is that the is little to no downside.

    I followed that by saying there is very high upside because you can’t dismiss the possibility that Ben can take better advantage of his speed and turn him into some resemblance of mike Wallace.

    Upside refers to an investment return not a kid of a specific age showing any specific skill. It is not defined as a surprising upside in a players career numbers or skill.

    Cool use of big words though.

  • PA2AK

    sounds like it. I wouldn’t front him a cap n cheese.

  • http://thereactionblog.com Michael Stickings

    Thanks.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    That’s why I mentioned the education. You can’t seem to read or comprehend anything.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    Thanks Lou! I had to look up “conflated”. I appreciate that because it will now become the word of the day for the kids.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Yeah absolutely agree… if guys get hurt to the point of these two guys haven’t to make an impact, then we’re in trouble anyways.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    His best chance is to be the #5 behind Brown, Wheaton, Moore and a draft pick. That is if he can beat out Justin Brown. That is not a high upside, it is a standard camp low risk/low upside chance.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    I have no doubt at all that you are high.

  • Rick M

    I’m suggesting draft well to ensure good depth, manage the salary cap well to keep both key players (e.g. Keenan Lewis) and depth, and find some FA’s gems like Farrior and Clark who can become critical components to your success.

    The Steelers have been 0/3 in these categories in recent years, hence their lack of depth and need to sign guys like McCain and Heyward-Bey.

    But each to his own. We’ll go your preferred route and continue these off-seasons where we bring in basically unwanted players to give us the depth we didn’t create through the draft and wise salary cap management.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    Look out, Larod Stephens-Howling! There can be only one hyphen!

  • tim

    I like this signing for these reasons….1 he’s s young 2 got him for the minimum 3 he has speed and 4 another article is saying he’s a GOOD blocker…..
    So, why NOT take a chance here? How many times have we seen guys flourish when they get a change of scenery ( The Bus comes to mind, not that this guy’s on that level, jus sayin)?
    So if we not losing mich if he does get cut then so be it….IF je REALLY is a good blocker then he has an even BETTA shot at making the team one would think…

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Do you see the future or just pull stuff out of your rear and think it smells good?

    His best chance is not your opinion of what will happen.

  • srdan

    Geee rick, great idea, bring back the old coach to look over the new coaches shoulder.

    I am very happy with the decisions made this offseason. No need to bring another personallity in the mix.

    The only reason cowher would be needed on todays team, is to coach special teams. lol

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    And I have no doubt at all that you have nothing to add of substance. Just like DHB, if you had it in you, you would have shown it by now.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Everything we say here is nothing but predictions and opinions. For you to sit here and condemn anyone for doing the same shows just how foolish you are.

  • Kenneth Wilt

    bg….bad technique does not equal bad hands. He is 3rd all time in receptions in only 3 years in college. His hands must stink….

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    For all his faults, Cowher was a better coach than Tomlin, IMO.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    College is a different game. Sweed had great hands in college as well. It may be technique, but in the NFL, he has had bad hands both up close and away from his body.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    he is 6 foot 2 runs a 4.3 and knows how to get open, he will be an asset. I can live with a few drops from our 3-4 receiver. Not worthy of a top ten pick but this is an amazing signing, getting this kind of talent for the Vet minimum at a position of need.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Can you make a single correct statement?

    I believe it is possible you have never contributed any facts but I have.

    My problem isn’t that you express an opinion. It’s that you pretend words have meanings they don’t and then argue with people because you are confused by words or concepts and the incorrect definitions you’ve attached to them.

  • Steven Bigrigg

    I might be off a little, but how much different is DHB from Mike Wallace . . . a one trick pony? He’s fast and has a couple drops. I’d rather have DHB over Wallace.
    Overall, if he’s our 4th or 5th receiver that would be alright.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    Its like we signed Mike Wallace for the Vet minimum. tall, fast, questionable hands. ben will throw him some bombs this year

  • Steven Bigrigg

    My thoughts exactly

  • srdan

    here we go again.

    That is not a part of this conversation and let’s leave it alone.

  • PA2AK

    i’ve complained about the same thing you are. you’re rehashing things everyone knows well. question is how do you fix it and stay competitive in the meantime? I don’t think there is another way i’ve seen better than how they are handling this offseason. they have 9 picks…hopefully they do well enough that every one of them displaces one of these very cheap depth signings over the course of FA. The moves they’ve made are putting pressure on youth to perform, are limiting cap trouble to a great extent, and are putting them in good position to keep their players that perform well. Can’t fix a problem that was several years in the making with one draft.

  • PA2AK

    lord help us if he is our #3 or #4….just sayin. not what he was signed for.

  • Bob

    Sorry, but you’re wrong there. “Upside refers to the chance of the risk taken returning more than what you pay.” would more appropriately be termed Value.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    brown wheaton moore heyward-bay/ considering that we only have 4 WRs singed I think my statement holds truth.

  • PA2AK

    AB, Wheaton, Moore, J Brown, Moye, Draft WR, Draft WR, DHB. It’s a good move, don’t get me wrong. Just hope he isn’t good enough to make the final 53 is all. In all likelyhood the value we get from DHB will be in camp and having our DB’s chase him around the field. I hope he surprises, but I think what we have and what we are looking to draft will beat him out without a problem. Good competition though. Really doubt the FO is looking at anything more than that.

  • T R

    How do you know that..Cowher taught in a very different era then Tomlin. Things move alot faster and rules and free agency has change the game drastically.. It took Cowher 15 plus years to get to super bowl and win it with the same key folks on his team.. How long you think it took him having to switch key pieces up each year.

  • Mark from VA

    The only downside to this pickup is if they cut loose someone young that could eventually be better, especially if DHB has drops during crucial moments. If it is a coin toss between Moye, Justin Brown, and DHB on cut day, then I would go with youth and more potential upside.

  • T R

    Exactly srdan..

  • Hodge175

    Get over the Lewis signing, he wanted and I will say this again WANTED to play back home. He wanted to go to themSaints so he could play back where he was from. The only and I mean only way we could have kept him was to way over pay for his services after one good year. He didn’t shop around really, he wanted to be there and that’s where he went. Please stop beating that dead horse.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    I wouldn’t put Moye and J. Brown ahead of him. and if they draft a WR anywhere outside of the first two rounds I couldn’t put them ahead of him either. I realize catching the ball is the most important part of playing receiver and he has a problem catching the ball but defenses will have to respect him and his speed when he goes deep and that will open up the underneath routes for AB and Heath. He is also a very willing blocker and plays special teams. Seems worth a roster spot to me.

  • Douglas Andrews

    Great now we can add some quality defensive draft picks and i’d call it a pretty good offseason.

  • PA2AK

    Not against it if he makes it…just don’t think it is very likely. we’ll all have to wait and see.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    “IMO” means in my opinion. Knowing has nothing to do with it. I have lots of reasons, but as srdan stated, this isn’t the place for it. nobody has to agree with me.

  • ApexSteel

    They’re different in that Mike Wallace’s worst season is still arguably better than DHB’s best.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    You are delusional. Or just don’t know the definition of fact. DHB averaging 476 yards and 2.4 TDs per season is a fact. One which I have stated multiple times.

    Responding to arguments that nobody made is not fact. “Upside refers to an investment return not a kid of a specific age showing any specific skill.” Is not fact. What you just described is, as Bob mentioned below, value or return on investment.

    I have no doubt that you badly need a dictionary as well as more than a few lessons in carrying on a cogent debate.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Wallace can complete his trick. DHB, with 5 TDS as his best season and 12 TDs for his career, hasn’t shown that he can.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Dictionaries do still exist for anyone interested.

    Upside refers to the top of the potential value range a player can deliver after he is signed.

    Its sort of like words that modify the meaning of other words.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    It’s just as ApexSteel stated below, there is a huge difference in quality there. Wallace’s worst season, his rookie year in which he only started 4 games, is 200 yards short of and 2 TDs more than DHBs best season when he started 13 games.

    Indy thought they were signing a poor man’s Mike Wallace last season. Instead they got a guy that put up #4 numbers for $3 million. I sincerely hope you turn out to be right, but there is nothing to support it in his history.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    If I’m responding to an argument no one made why do you feel the need to correct me?

    Who care what he did in Oakland?

    As for facts, you clearly don’t even understand the concept

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Oh the irony…

    “Upside refers to the top of the potential value range a player can deliver after he is signed.”

    “Upside refers to an investment return”

    It can’t be both, depending on who you are talking to.

    Upside is a POTENTIAL contribution above standard value (which is the median point of the curve) that can only be estimated based on past performance and evaluations. Based on those metrics, some of us judge that he has low potential to deliver much beyond that standard.

    YOU however, judge him to have high upside, which is all well and good. The debate arises though, from your utter inability to provide any support for your argument, instead choosing to misdirect into a discussion of the definition of upside. You have yet to provide anything supporting your assertion beyond a perceived definition. Even if one of your proposed definitions were correct, you still have failed to support your actual argument.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    TheyThey both apply my simple friend.

    Try to use a couple of those remaining brain cells at the same time and you’ll be surprised.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    “If I’m responding to an argument no one made why do you feel the need to correct me?”

    Actually, in those cases, I didn’t. The core debate is all about your use of a misdirection fallacy to try to prove your point. You seem to think that by debating the definition of upside, that somehow supports your initial assertion of high upside. It does not. Regardless of the definition, that doesn’t speak to the DEGREE of upside. Claiming it does is a result of either circular reasoning or misdirection of cause.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    LOL. One refers to a potential result, the other replies to an actualized result. They can’t both be correct.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Don’t assume that your inability to grasp something means it’s not true.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    The core debate? Are you lying or clueless?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Don’t assume your inability to keep up with everyone else here means that we are as ignorant as you. Upside in this context does not, has not, and never will refer to both potential and realized returns. It is always about potential. Realized results are value or ROI.

    James Farrior was a high upside signing. His actual results were high value.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Just smarter than you and capable of remembering the initial question. We are talking about high vs low upside. Since you have nothing else to add to support your claims, you quibble on the definition of upside. I tell you know as I have many times before. Put up or shut up. Stop with the ad hominem attacks and red herrings and actually contribute. Or go away.

  • 412 Central

    Your being too conservative

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Clueless would be the short answer.

    Psycho would have also been acceptable.

  • Johnny Loose

    Adding experienced depth at WR with a 6’2″ 4.3 40 receiver. He has his blemishes but overall I really like what Pittsburgh did here. I’d be fine w/ A. Brown, M. Wheaton, L. Moore, Rookie draft pick, and DHB can fight for a roster spot along w/ D. Moye and J. Brown. What people should realize is this puts pressure on Moye and Brown to step their game up or get left behind. People can complain all they want about this, but adding competition in camp is the ONLY option as far as I’m concerned. I know it was a few seasons ago, but DHB nearly hit 1000 yards receiving one season, which is more than any other receiver we have not name Antonio Brown can say. Way to go Steelers!!!

  • joed32

    That was the one loss that we didn’t replace.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    And back to ad hominem we go. Got anything of value to add, or are you just totally descending to schoolyard insults?

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    And it’s a huge one.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    That is the only reason he was signed, to pressure the young guys and see what comes out when they kick the tires.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Careful using that upside word, the troll might come after you.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Nope.

    I made my point in the first couple of posts.

    Everything else was trying to get us talking the same language which is clearly impossible.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    You do stand up. Or better yet political commentary. You’d fit right in with that crowd.

  • Tom

    I am simply amazed how much mileage that the Steelers have got out of their last 5 bucks of cap space. Good job!

  • joed32

    Martin is replacing Woods, not Ziggy. He has had a lot more playing time than Woods. They’re both 27 with 4 years experience, Martin with the Chargers while Woods was cut by the Saints, Bucs, and Seahawks. Who is going to replace Hood is yet to be decided.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Who is Martin? You mean Cam Thomas? Right now he is the top guy on the DE depth chart.

  • steelersfan

    I have no issue with this signing. If he can turn it up in training camp- great. if not, see ya!

  • joed32

    Pretty much, and nothing guaranteed, I hope.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    The fact that you think you made any point at all is what makes this so humorous.

  • harding36

    You both owe me 2 minutes of my life back…

  • Jeff

    I know it doesn’t mean a whole lot in relation to the drops… but he played for the Raiders and was being thrown to by some dumpster fires at QB… exchange that for Ben who throws a good deep ball and you’re guaranteed to see some improvement.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Nobody forced you to read it. Screwing with people like him is a fun break from work. :)

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    True, but Andew Luck is no slouch, and Denarious Moore did OK in Oakland.

  • steelster

    Hope he gets beat out by a rookie with good hands. At the age of 27, it is highly unlikely dhb’s hands will improve. Would love it if I’m wrong though.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    I think J Brown has a better than solid chance to beat him out. If we draft a WR in the first 4 rds that kid would also beat him out by default.

  • steelster

    I would rather see the steelers use a 6th round pick on Cody Hoffman and now I don’t see that happening. I don’t think brown or moye are the answer.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    While the guys are largely unexciting, they have got a heck of a lot out of squeezing that last dime.

  • Bill Molinaro

    Anyone remember Jimmy ‘Oops’ Hinz, worlds fastest human. He had hands like Heyward-Bey. How ’bout that Limas guy; are we trying to replace him. The only problem I have with this signing is that this guy’s ability is known. And during pre-season practices & games is he going to tale developmental reps away from Wheaton or 2014 draft picks? Do we think he’s magically going to morph into Wallace as some of the comments seem to suggest? Mike never had the sort of drop history that Heyward-Bey has. Very interesting move with a scent of desperation!

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Moye probably isn’t. It’s way too early to tell on Brown. I think we will likely pick one in the 3-4 range.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    If DHB has the ability to be a quality WR Mann will get it out of him. Lets see if DHB is willing to learn.

  • Steelers12328882

    Wow! Over 200 comments because we signed a backup WR. That’s crazy, but then I realized half the comments are from one poster lol.

  • Louis Goetz

    Anyone who’s complaining about this signing has got rocks in his head (depending on the contract details, of course). You’d have to figure that if the season started today w/o a WR drafted early, DHB would be the team’s #4 wideout. I cannot think of too many teams in the NFL that wouldn’t be content having him as their fourth option. The Raiders drafted him to be their #1 and it didn’t work out. The Colts signed him to be their #3, but he ended up being their #2 after Reggie Wayne went down. He didn’t workout as their #2. We’re now getting him to be a #4, at best. Hardly ever is a team’s #4 receiver going to be a pro bowl caliber guy who’s capable of starting for most of the league’s other franchises. He’s a big target journeyman who actually has great blocking skills. Those blocking skills actually kept TY Hilton off the field a lot last year. He’s what you look for in a #4 receiver. If they take Mike Evans, he’ll either be the team’s #5 wideout, or he’ll be on the street. IMHO this was a great job by the Steelers.

  • patrick Mayfield

    what ever happened to that down arrow…

  • Louis Goetz

    Signing DHB isn’t anything like the Van Dyke experiment, although Brice McCain smells awfully similar to Van Dyke. Ever since Tomlin’s arrival this team has given any guy with sub 4.4 speed a shot. It doesn’t matter if you’re a midget, only have one arm, or have 3 1/2 inch hands, if you can run stupid fast, this team is willing to give you a shot. He loves saying you can’t teach speed as much as he loves saying the standard is the standard. Brice McCain can’t cover his own shadow, yet he’s gonna be given a chance to see if the Steelers can’t take that unteachable speed and make it into something productive on the football field. At least these experiments don’t cost much.

  • treeher

    I’m exhausted

  • PoKey21

    So it looks like Brown, Moore, and Wheaton are the top 3. Then 2 more spots will be split between HeyBey, Moye, and J Brown. That battle in camp should be quite interesting this year and also i think we take a WR in the draft to leave us with a 6 man WR corpse. While not as good as some in the past I think the WRs should be pretty efficient. The Steelers have never put a huge emphasis on their WR corpse anyway usually allowing their homegrown talent to walk except for a couple.

    Also the fact that we have Haley calling the shots and not pass happy Arians helps the situation. I’m not saying one is better than the other but as far as the talent on this roster goes its way better suited for Haley’s quick hitters.

    Lastly this addition while not a major move ido belive changes the Steelrs thinking in the draft. Instead of a WR being a must get in the top few rounds it gives Colbert a little leeway and we might not see one drafted until the 4th or later. whether that’s a good thig or not

  • steeltown

    Its very similar in many ways.. almost everything except the position they play

  • joed32

    You got me, I keep calling him Martin for some reason. He is at the top of the depth chart now but it’s a long time until September. And I do think he is replacing Woods and Hood’s replacement is yet to be determined. Could be him, Arnfelt, Williams, another FA come June, or a draft pick.

  • http://pittsburghsportsinat.blogspot.com/ bgsteelfan

    Oh I don’t think he will be the top guy come Sep, but as of right now, he is, and that is what my comparison was based on, since we don’t know what things will look like after the draft.

  • shawn

    stupid signing … people who keep saying its low risk are just missing the point … !!!!

  • shawn

    or take time away from our other players that need development and are promising ! … we have already seen the coaching staff make poor personnel decisions (Redman/Dwyer) u really want to give them another chance to screw it up ??

  • shawn

    really poor logic !

  • shawn

    FINALLY someone willing to admit that there has been some more than questionable personnel decisions not only this FA season but last few yrs !

  • shawn

    thank u !

  • shawn

    but thats exactly what he will do … is take reps and playing opportunity away from JBrown and others … and that is what people dont think of when they keep ignorantly saying there is low/no risk !

    All it takes is for DHB to make one stupid bomb catch … and they will extend the experiment at nauseam !!!

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Logic?

    You consider arguing over word definitions to be a logic discussion?

    That’s sad but also really funny.

  • Matt Manzo

    If we land a WR in the first 3 rounds I think DHB will be on a very short leash. Especially if the WR or a later round CB can play special teams.

  • shawn

    i was actually talking about the argument not the semantics

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Oh really

    The argument was only about semantics so what do you think is a question of logic?