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Mike Tomlin Finishes Ninth In Head Coach Power Rankings


Elliot Harrison posted his annual head coach power rankings yesterday for the NFL’s website.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are coming off back-to-back non-winning seasons, missing the playoffs in both seasons and having failed to win their division, let alone a playoff game, since 2010.

Accordingly, Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin is ranked ninth, immediately behind Denver Broncos coach John Fox and Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, the two teams that most recently competed for the Super Bowl.

Here is what is written for Tomlin’s entry on the list:

Tomlin took the proverbial baton in Pittsburgh from Bill Cowher, who got it from the late, legendary Chuck Noll. Although not necessarily regarded as a “premier” head coach, Tomlin has enjoyed great success since he was hired in 2007. Interestingly enough, some league observers feel he deserves more respect, while others have him on the hot seat in Pittsburgh. What you can’t take away from him is the Super Bowl ring he won in the 2008 season, as well as another appearance on the big stage two years later. Not a bad seven-year run.

Of course, Tomlin already has one Super Bowl from his second season in 2008. He also has a second trip to the title game in his pocket from 2010.

It is true, however, that those are the only two years in his seven-year tenure in which the team has won a single playoff game. His teams have been one-and-done twice, while missing the playoffs the other three seasons.

Even in some of those down seasons, however, there are elements of his strong coaching. In none of them, for example, did the Steelers post a losing record. In all three, the team either started strong or finished strong.

In 2009, the Steelers were 6-2 before injuries derailed a promising season. They lost five straight before coming back to win the last three games, barely missing the postseason.

The 2012 season saw Pittsburgh get off to a 6-3 start, but Ben Roethlisberger’s injury knocked him out for three weeks, and he wasn’t the same player when he returned. The team finished 2-5 in those last seven games, including a 1-3 record with Roethlisberger.

And last season, of course, the team went through quite a bit of adversity early on, losing their first four games. They went 8-4 after that, however, including a 6-2 run during the second half of the season, again barely missing the playoffs.

The Steelers’ second-half turnaround last season is perhaps one of the highlights of Tomlin’s career, forcing his team to carry on and not pack it in, getting them to believe in themselves and in the possibility of success despite the hole they had to climb out of.

Still, consecutive seasons without a playoff loss knocked Tomlin down a peg or two. Last season, he was ranked seventh in the head coach power rankings, being described then as entrenched.

Despite what success Tomlin may have, there will likely always be a bit of a shadow over it. He works for one of the most stable organizations in the league. He inherited a strong roster, not to mention a franchise quarterback, that he won with. But there’s a reason that he’s so widely respected both by players and other coaches.

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  • treeher

    How much responsibility does he have for a number of horrible draft years?

  • RW

    Huh? You can really only point to the ’08 draft as a complete bust.

  • treeher

    08 and 09: Ziggy Hood, Craig Urbik, Mike Wallace, K. Lewis, Joe Burnett, Frank Summers, Ra’Shon Harris, AQ Shipley, D Johnson. BUST (although they did get Redman, Foster, and McClendon as UFAs). Hmm, of all those names, only 1 still with team.

  • joed32

    Doesn’t mean they were bad picks! Hood, Wallace, Lewis are all starters in the NFL. 8 out of the 9 picks from last year are back for camp this year.

  • joed32

    What qualifies Elliot Harrison to judge coaches?

  • RW

    Mike Wallace and Keenan Lewis both contributed to the ’10 super bowl team. One could argue that their presence was a major factor in our team reaching that stage. Also, Urbik was a good OLman, we just didn’t have an O Line coach capable of recognizing that.

  • treeher

    Sounds like you’re defining “good picks” as how well we manage to fill out the rosters of other teams.

  • treeher

    One could also argue that they were young guys on an experienced team and eminently replaceable. I’ll agree to raise the grade for ’10 from D to C-.

  • treeher

    Anyway, my point wasn’t so much to debate the drafts as it was a question of how much Tomlin is responsible for the success/failure of the drafts.

  • RW

    Perhaps, but no one wanted Keenan Lewis to leave in FA and Mike Wallace was extremely productive as a pass catcher in our offense. These are good draft picks that the front office didn’t have the foresight to lock up earlier (although it should be noted that they had made the mistake of trying to keep a veteran team together after two super bowls, which is why they couldn’t afford to keep these guys around). I’ll give it to you on one point – Wallace is/was replaceable. But you still can’t say that it was a bad draft – it produced some good players. In my estimation, the only completely wasteful draft (thus far) was the ’08 draft. BTW – seems like they hit a home run with this year’s draft, but time will tell.

  • treeher

    Agree ’14 is an “A” year and I think ’13 as well.

  • Kurt Williams

    Exactly. Meaningless rankings.

  • Biggie

    There is not one coach I’d take over Tomlin, plain and simple. Who cares who ranks a coach anywhere, you either like your coach or you don’t.

  • SteelCurtN

    You lost me when you called Wallace and Lewis busts. On no planet can those two be defined as busts. Same goes for Urbik (solid starter) and to a certain extent Ziggy (solid starter) although I will say he under performed. Not being able to retain talent is not the same as not being able to identify it.

    Now if you want to make the argument they should have spotted the talent earlier, I can get behind that, but in terms of not being able to get a contract done once that talent is spotted Tomlin is a bit further down on the list of those responsible.

    08 sucked but other than that he’s probably pretty much par for the course. If not slightly above average.

  • steeltown

    Hood, Urbik, Wallace and Lewis have all moved on and are starting for other clubs, most have hefty long term deals based on quality play

  • steeltown

    hear hear

  • treeher

    I did not mean to call wallace and lewis busts, which of course they weren’t. I was looking at the draft as a whole and see only one player still on the team. As I said in a different reply, I don’t define success as filling the rosters of other teams.

  • ATL96STEELER

    Tomlin came into a unique situation being a young HC…he had a HOF DC in Lebeau, and several other staff members that he didn’t hire…obviously he took over a talent roster that probably had peaked under Cowher and he got them to 2 more Super Bowls…by any standard, that’s a good job.

    There is some debate on how much influence he had over the 1st few drafts under his reign, but I think we can see the last 2 drafts, his thumb print has clearly been on them.

    If there is one fault I have with Tomlin is he seemed to buy into Arians’ pass 1st mentality, and publicly stated he did not want to fire him, and he most likely went along for the ride on the Haley hire, but that’s water under the bridge.

    After a terrible start, this past season I thought might’ve been his best coaching job…Where he ranks among other HCs matters little to me, but I think we need to see the ship back in the playoffs very soon.

  • Mark

    If this season is another 8 and 8, the organizations needs to really consider if Tomlin AND Colbert deserve to stay. Drafts post Cowner have been a disaster. Someone keeps mentioning “8 of 9 drafted are returning”. Big deal. NONE of the post Cowher draft picks have developed to aid this team. As I have mentioned before and concur with above, he won the SB with Cowher’s team, lost a SB with an aging Cowher team and has done nothing since.

  • Mark

    8 of 9 returning…..Who cares if the picks suck to begin with.

  • JohnB

    I always look at the 2010 season and the first four games when Ben was suspended. How Tomlin handled that preseason and was able to take that team to the big game shows good planning and coaching.

  • JohnB

    Cowher left Tomlin with an 8-8 team if you remember correctly. Tomlin had a better Super Bowl win and loss than Cowhers win and loss.

  • joed32

    If a player who is picked becomes a starter then he was a good pick. Players change teams in the course of their careers, it’s the economic reality in today’s NFL. Lots of outstanding players have moved from their original team to another, are they all bad picks?

    None of us know how much input Tomlin has but it’s ultimately Colbert’s decision, he’s the boss.

  • joed32

    If they sucked they would have been cut except for the QB who gets a pass because of his position. You don’t like any of them?

  • ATL96STEELER

    To your point…clearly Tomlin/Colbert have not been as successful as Cowher/Colbert in terms of the draft, and I’m willing to give Bill credit where it’s due, but EVERY incoming HC starts with the previous regime’s players.

    8-8…we agree here…Tomlin is very likely to get his contract fulfilled at this point so I think he has this season and next to get this turned around.

    Final point…if you’re going to put something in all caps…at least get it right…’07, Timmons, Woodley, Gay. ’08 M’hall, ’09,Keenan Lewis, Wallace, Urbik, Hood, ’10 Pouncey,A. Brown, etc….not all of these players were huge contributors, but you’re badly mistaken if they didn’t “aid” this team.

  • joed32

    “Big deal. NONE of the post Cowher draft picks have developed to aid this team. None??????????

  • srdan

    If this is your argument you should point the finger at Colbert not tomlin.

  • srdan

    I agree with you. There are many factors for me, but the big one was Ben’s suspension was a defining time for Tomlins career. I think carrying that team far into the playoffs and keeping their focus was an awesome job of coaching.

  • treeher

    Yes, it’s certainly reflective of the entire management team. My original question was how much “ownership” does Tomlin have regarding the draft? For example, the 08 draft was horrible, but Tomlin was the new guy on the block. Did he really have as much influence on that draft?

  • Mark

    Different opponents. Non point….

  • Mark

    Let’s be realistic. The team has downgraded to also ran status. And look at the last few years. If you think we will win a SB with a Colbert/Tomlin team with an offense run by a guy that wouldn’t even qualify as a driving range golf pro you are sadly mistaken.

  • joed32

    We’re doomed!

  • JohnB

    that’s a horrible argument cause it could go both ways.

  • JohnB

    all those guys you mentioned have been to the Super Bowl.

  • colingrant

    Place Tomlin’s name in the header of any that hints to his effectiveness as a head coach and you’re guaranteed responses and traffic. There’s a polarization to his presence that creates intensity that rivals political arguments. From his dissenters, generally speaking, its based on this….

    1) If they play poorly, it’s Tomlin

    2) If they play well it’s due to organizational strength and roster inheritance

    3) If they draft poorly, it’s Tomlin’s contributing influence and oversight

    4) If they draft well, it’s Colbert and the Steelers’ organization strengths at work

    He might be the least appreciated and lowest poll-ratings head (winning %) coach in Pittsburgh sports history …….. When you peel back the layers you’ll find at the core, a discomfort of Mike Tomlin being the face of the franchise. For those individuals, he stands no chance of being revered similar to those that came before him, unless he far exceeds their accomplishments. Unfortunate but true.

  • ATL96STEELER

    I’ll say it more directly…yes, for some, race is a factor whenever Tomlin is a topic. At the same time I think his race has also shielded him from some criticism that a white HC would’ve gotten because they don’t want to be viewed as racist.

  • steeltown

    Haley was OC in Arizona when they went to their first ever Super Bowl

  • srdan

    Well thought out comment.

  • Mark

    This year’s draft was good. I cannot wait to see the new LB play.

  • Mark

    AZ won that one, right?

  • srdan

    I agree with you on the race being an issue.

    I think another thing that we hate to discuss as steeler fans is the rift between the old steeler fans vs the new wave. It’s not necessarily a generational or age division, but rather the thinking. A lot of people in my section still think that you can just line up and pound the ball “like bettis did it”. Soudns great, and i love that style of football, but it’s not a reality today. I think the paradigm shift from cowher to tomlin has been a stark one, but the “old” fans fail to recognize that the game itself has undergone a transformation in the last decade. So it’s not necessairly tomlin’s impact, but rather a product of the new rules and style in the NFL.

    I define “old fans” as the people that are holding onto season tickets and not going to the games because it’s “too cold” while there are kids in their neighborhood that actually bleed black and gold and can name 50 players on the roster.

    Sorry for my rant, but the empty seats at a sold out heinz field infuriate me.

  • JohnB

    no…but the other guys you’re bashing did…im sure you were hating on Bruce then too though so…(also you said Todd would never get there, when he did)

  • srdan

    I think wehn people discuss Cowhers regime as being good at drafting they are referring to 3 players. Ben, Troy and Casey. If you look at teh rest of our drafts during that time it was a lot of Ricardo Coughleys and Alonzo Jacksons. The one other thing we were good at was drafting OLBs late, but nobody was looking for those talents. Today a joey proter is a first round talent. I have a hard time giving cowher credit for the olbs because it was almost like cheating taking these guys late because they were too small for the 4/3. Lets give some of that credit to the pioneer.

    Back to the 3 players I mentioned. Those were all picked a lot higher than any pick Tomlin has had to date. How quickly we forget!

  • Mark

    How about we view him as an ineffective head coach? There is a novel idea…

  • Mark

    Never get the Steelers there. Nope, I didn’t hate Bruce.

  • srdan

    Please define an effective coach. Please include quantifiable targets to simplify this argument.

  • Mark

    Examples of effective coaches – Current – Belichick, potentially Harbaugh (Niners), the irritating knucklehead in Seattle, Andy Reid (Look at what he did with KC and then talk to me about Todd Haley).. Past – Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels, Lombardi, Bill Walsh to name a few.

  • Jeff

    Cowher got a fair share of criticism when he was the coach, especially before he won the SB in the ’05 year. He went out on a high note, which in my opinion is why a lot of people forget that, and hold Tomlin to such a high standard. Tomlin has done really well for himself here IMO, and I believe that he will be much more appreciated years after he is done with the Steelers. While he’s actively tenured, it’s easy to get caught up in “he doesn’t know when to call a time out”, than to look at the big picture like winning percentage, past super bowls, etc….

  • ATL96STEELER

    Agree on past…all HOFers pretty much. Current…I’ll give you BB even though Tomlin won a SB more recently. The others…debatable to be honest. Reid I like him a lot, but was run of PHI because he couldn’t win the big one and he hasn’t really done anything in KC yet…one good season…let him back that up and win a SB and he jumps ahead of Tomlin in my book. Harbaugh? Very talented team that he didn’t build either, but the window is closing on what is a top 5 DEF.

    The point here is you’ve picked some of the top HCs in the league and when you break down what they’ve really achieved and compare it to Tomlin..I think he more effective than you want to give him credit for maybe.

  • ATL96STEELER

    I can agree even though I’m probably more of an old school type fan, but you’re right…the middle of the field has been opened up by the rule changes on hits above the shoulder.

    I didn’t like seeing Ben in shotgun so often on 3rd & 1 or 2 yds to go…that became the norm rather than he exception and Tomlin seemed to be okay with it.

    On race…that’s a small % of fans I would like to think, but that mindset is their issue as far as I’m concerned.

  • Ike Evans

    gotta be honest….this is more tomlin love then i was expecting to see when i clicked this article, the way he gets ripped during the season so much

  • Krankor

    That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. So nobody thinks that Heath Miller or Alan Faneca or Hines Ward or Aaron Smith were good Cowher regime picks? How about the ’02 draft: no big stars, but a *lot* of solid contributers in Kendall SImmons, Antwaan Randle El, Chris Hope, Larry Foote, and Brett Keisel! I think any one of us would be happy to get that kind of production out of a draft these days.

  • srdan

    I would debate some of that list. But anyway, let’s say that 9th out of 32 is just about right. Do you really expect the next coach we have to be higher? Idk, I don’t. Grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. Especially when the 3 coaches you named are reigning championship game teams. I guess I look at it a little more broad than that.

  • Virdin Barzey

    I’ve got no issues with Tomlin. Two things I like from my coaches, they love football and they hate to lose. Expecting one to two more SB during his tenure since he’s young.

  • Krankor

    Your argument contains a whopping flaw. Point 4 is bogus, since they haven’t drafted well since Tomlin arrived. Not that every single pick has been bad, but pretty much every draft of the Tomlin era requires some kind of asterisk or caveat or excuse. The fact is, the Cowher regime built a roster pregnant with talent, and, for the most part, the Tomlin regime has seen a massive exodus of that talent (expected) with a pretty large failure to replace it with new talent of a similar caliber (not expected). This is not bias against Tomlin, but hard and cold facts. I happen to think Tomlin is an excellent coach, and we’re lucky to have him. But as a judger of talent… not so much. Although I do think he is improving in this area.

  • steelster

    Tomlin has done a good job coaching but his big test has yet to come. Lets see how he does when big ben retires.

  • srdan

    I think you missed my point.

    Hines, Faneca and Aaron are some of my all time favorites, especially Aaron. I miss that guy. Obviously these guys did it for a long time and I can’t match names to it because of it. But I’d have to say that Brown, Decastro and Hayward are a good group.
    Heath I don’t think as highly of as most people. To me he is a symbol of how Cowher did not keep up with the ever changing NFL. Heath was at one time the best combo tightend in the game. But those guys no longer make an impact on the wins and losses just like a jon witman or dan kreider wouldn’t. Heath was the last blocking tightend drafted in teh first round. The NFL has gone to a mismatch TE that make impacts in the passing game. Heath was never an impact pass catching tightend. And that limited our team, especially in the redzone since he was drafted. Every year we are near the bottom of the league in red zone efficiency. The efficient teams have a TE that catches TDs. I love Heath as a person, but as a player he leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
    The rest of the players are good contributors and I’m sure you’ll agree that we have good contributors today from the drafts tomlin led.

    My point was that the three players that changed our franchise were drafted very high, and tomlin has not had a chance to draft that high. Call it a product of his own success. I however would not take away from cowher the fact that he drafted ben, casey and troy. I’m sure there were other players considered and he had the final say on who was drafted. But lets not forget that he had the final say on troy edwards over javon kearse.

  • srdan

    The 2008 draft was poor for all of the NFL, not jsut the steelers. Terrible draft class.

  • Hard Row

    I can’t stand it when race comes up as an issue with Tomlin. Are you telling me that there are fans that are racist and they watch a sport with mostly black players, cheer for those players, but then when it comes to the head coach, now all of a sudden they can’t root for him because of his race. Not buying it. It’s just an easy out.

    Are there a few nuts where that is true? Sure. But that is a very very small minority.

    I would argue there is a far larger number who praise Tomlin simply because of his race than those who allegedly criticize because of his race.

    I go back and forth on Tomlin. There are times i love him but he makes lots of mistakes. His drafts have been mostly average or below. It can’t be argued otherwise. He allowed Arians too much control. Tomlin arrived saying he wanted to have a “violent” running game, meanwhile Arians was saying that you did not need a great OL so long as your skill players were good enough. Tomlin then allowed that philosophy to win out and the OL got worse and worse.

    Tomlin make terrible in game decisions. He often makes bad challenges and his clock management is terrible. He went for 2 from the 12 after a penalty.

    What worries me most about Tomlin is he doesn’t seem to learn from mistakes. When he’s questioned about bad clock management, he will insist he was correct. He has an abysmal record outside of the Eastern Time Zone, yet last year he didn’t change anything. He pretty much said jet lag was no factor when he flew the team late to England and the team looked asleep vs a bad Vikings team. When asked about it, he said it was no factor even though several players said it was.

    I rate a coach by how good he is at getting the most out of his players and how well he drafts if he has input in drafts. Tomlin does have a large input in the draft so holding him accountable for the roster is a legit criticism.

    I don’t think Tomlin always gets the most out of the available talent. Look at how many losses he has to inferior teams. I still can’t believe that Raider game last year.

    I’m excited about this year. It seems the steelers took a new approach to the draft, looking for more immediate contributors instead of project players. I give Tomlin credit for that. I think this is a playoff team. If it’s another non-playoff year then you have to consider firing Tomlin. You can’t miss 3 straight playoffs with a franchise QB. That won’t have anythig ti do with his race.

  • srdan

    Good post. I agree with you on most things. just keep in mind when Tomlin’s drafts are compared to cowhers, Tomlin never picked that high, we never have had a shot at a troy or ben. The running game gripe should be taken up with the NFL for changing rules. Why pound away when nobody can touch your receivers?

    I think the criticism of his time management is a very fair one. And I fully agree with you that he does not learn and this is my biggest worry. I think a kid with a few games on madden under his belt could advise tomlin.

    The race issue is a very real one. If you switched tomlin for harbough, would the outlook change? I prefer to have a black coach. It’s a game played by predominantly black people and a black coach can relate more. But that brings up another point, do you want your coach to relate? I believe in today’s game you need that. The old school coaches aren’t cutting it anymore except for the Giants.

    And most of all I agree with the Rooneys approach to coaches. Consistancy from teh top down leads to wins. For that very reason I understand holding onto coaches. There is a reason we have 6 lambardis with 3 coaches throughout our history. And as I mature as a person I also realize that the grass is never greener on the otehr side, lol.

    Nice post, had to add to it!

  • James Bradley

    How can you rate 2014 as an A draft year ????? They haven’t played a down….call me in 2018, only then can you evaluate a grade for the draft. After all, right after they were drafted I remember all the raving about how great Limas Sweed would fit into our offense back in 08. Plus, this is the same team that completely blew it back in 89 with two 1st round picks that were both colossal busts, though at the time both touted by the ESPN, SI, etc as great picks!

  • James Bradley

    Lewis was a bit of a bust because of how long it took him to develop, he was barely holding a roster spot his entire tenure until his last season, which was his best, even though he never had a n INT or FR the entire year! Wallace wasn’t a bust, not as mid round pick, he wasn’t a No. 1 WR but he was a great #3 WR (better than Randle El, Cocthery, & Nate Washington were in that role) and a solid #2 due to his big play ability. That’s not bad for 3rd RD. MIA way over paid for him, especially considering no one else wanted to sign him

  • James Bradley

    Pgh run game under Arians was 3rd in 2007, 11th in 2010, and 14 in 2011. They’ve been 26th and 27th respectively since he left. Remember Willie Parker was 2 games away from winning the NFL rushing title until he broke his leg under Arians offense and Mendenhall had 1,180 and 1,270 yards in consecutive seasons. He wasn’t as “Pass first” as people portray him.

  • James Bradley

    Post Cowher: L. Timmons regarded among top MLB in league, Woodley was a multi time Pro Bowler and set an NFL record with at least one sack in 6 straight post season games, DeCastro was hailed as playing great at the end of last season, Pouncey has been to multiple Pro Bowls, Mendenhall gained over 3,2000 yards and scored 30 TD in three years, one of the best totals anywhere in the league in that span, you cant say “post Cowher” picks have not contributed, count Mike Wallace in there also.

  • James Bradley

    No he didn’t, Cowher left a very good team that underachieved due to injuries (mostly Ben) as well as the coach nearing retirement with his wife dying of cancer. That was talent wise much better than 8-8. Likwewise the team way under achieved Noll’s last season considering he handed over 5 time Pro Bowl OLB & Team MVP Greg LLoyd, NFL All Deacde 1990s and HOFers Dermonti Dawson and Rod Woodson, All Decade 1990s team player Carnell Lake, multi time Pro Bowler John Jackson, plus Pro Bowlers at RB (Foster), QB (O’Donnell), and one of the greatest PK in league history (Anderson). They were way better than 7-9 and proved in Cowher’s first three seasons going 11-5, 9-7, and 12-4 with 3 playoff runs and 1 AFC Title Game appearance.

  • James Bradley

    Cowher & Colbert drafted Pro Bowlers Hampton, Ben, Troy, H. Miller, Marvel Smith, plus P. Burress, S. Holmes, Ike Taylor, Max Starcks, and signed Jeff Hartings, Ryan Clark, James Farrior, James Harrison, and Willie Parker as Free Agents. Considering that worst guy in that bunch was a 9 year starter and two time Super Bowl winner Starcks I would say that’s a pretty good record. Add Lary Foote in their as well.

  • James Bradley

    Colbert came in 2000, Ward & Faneca came in 98, Smith I believe in 99. However, that was after several lack luster drafts in the mid to late 90s (Charles Johnson….Jermain Stephens….) but still, they were also Cowher picks, and exceptional, just not with Colbert as GM

  • James Bradley

    Check Milller ‘s stats in 2009 and 2012 and tell me he wasn’t a big time pass catcher. He’s not a Pro Bowler due to his blocking

  • James Bradley

    Antonio Brown, 1st player in NFL history to top 1,000 yards REC & RET in same year, multi time Pro Bowler who nearly lead the NFL in catches last year ?? L. Timmons is universally regarded as one of the top MLB in the NFL….Woodley was a multi time Pro Bowler….Pouncey multi Pro Bowls….Mendenhall rushed for 3,200 yards and 30TD between 09-11, one of the best stat lines of any back in the league right behind A. Peterson in that time, plus Mike Wallace, it’s ridiculous to say none of the “Post Cowher” picks have contributed …in fact that’s a pretty comparable group to Cowher/Colbert 2000-06 and way better than Cowher-Donohue 94-98.

  • James Bradley

    Yeah, kind of like when Chuck Noll won his first SB….Oh wait HE LOST (look it up) – Silly argument

  • James Bradley

    yes, but there were plenty of people who wanted Cowher gone because despite all those wins, DIv Titles, playoff runs, all the great Prime Time TV wins, he didn’t produce a SB. Just like the multitude of fans in NE complaining that Belicheck has wasted Brady’s best years with his continued inability to draft well, put together a decent defense, or get a running game there. Some people are never happy.

  • James Bradley

    In NE Belicheck is under heavy fire….too many bad drafts, poor FA signings in recent years, hasn’t had a decent defense capable of winning in the playoffs since 08, has failed to get any kind of run game, even his lone SB run in that time was tarnished by the team making all the way to the AFC Title Game without beating a single winning team due to a cake walk schedule. A lot of people don’t find him very effective right now, and if that D doesn’t improve as advertised this year his may be the next name on “Hot Seat”…..Jimmy Johnson was a smashing success in MIA. As far Reid, I like him, but KC had more Pro Bowlers than any AFC Team the year BEFORE he arrived….there was so much bad karma around that team in Crennel’s last season, including that horrible player murder-suicide, no one could have coached them into the playoffs, they needed a fresh start, but Reid got a very talented roster and picked up a very good QB at a bargain price to boot

  • James Bradley

    Yeah, all those Pro Bowls Brown & Pouncey have been too have been a disaster, not too mention Woodley & Wallace….what horribly unproductive Post Cowher players….Timmons too

  • James Bradley

    ESPN had an article a few years ago looking at the 09 class league wide, it was horrible, hardly anyone still on rosters 4 years later and most of the ones who were still around were career back ups. For context, they ranked Ziggy Hood as one of the best picks of any team in that season.

  • James Bradley

    It’s 2014….how many teams have players on them that were drafted 5 or more years ago…and how many players ? Den & NE played in the AFC Title Game last year, how many guys do you think either team had that was drafted by that team 5 or more years ago….other than Brady & Mankins I don’t know if NE had any, Den may have had zero although Bailey & Manning have played a long time.

  • James Bradley

    How much responsibility does he have for the team’s massive turn around last year, starting 0-4 and being labeled maybe the worst team in the AFC to winning 6 of 8 to end the season and missing the playoffs by 1 game ? How much credit does he get for the team going 3-1 when Ben was suspended ? How much credit does he get for having multiple wins over Belicheck & NE ?

  • James Bradley

    Fact is, unless you get maybe one franchise player, if it’s 2014 no team is going to have a bunch of 08 or 09 players contributing (even existing) on their roster. I wonder how many players from the 97 an 98 drafts were on the 05 SB winner, or how many members of 2000 draft were on the 05 team ??

  • treeher

    Yeah, you’re right, but I’m just pumped for this season.

  • treeher

    Well, arguably, Haley inherited that team.

  • JohnB

    this team, talent wise, is better than 8-8…also you just proved that we should give Tomlin the benefit of the doubt because the same thing happened with the Noll/Cowher switch over. I’m a huge fan of all three. I like the way Tomlin does things and you don’t get to where he is with just luck…Having said that, when Ben is gone we’ll see how good our currant coach is.

  • joed32

    Why are you replying to me? That none????? was questioning Mark’s statement that no players drafted in the Tomlin era have made an impact. I was replying to him, not agreeing with him. I’m on your side.

  • srdan

    No doubt about it, C&C were great at drafting. My argument is based on the fact that what set Cowher apart from Tomlin are Ben, Troy and Casey. Truly franchise defining players. They are the type of players you have to draft to win multiple superbowls. I give Cow & Colb credit for that. The rest of the people you named are on par with what Tomlin has been drafting.

    The tricky thing here for me is that when you have a james harrison, Farrior, Smith, its hard to draft someone to be better than them, while they are still there. In reality, this is the first time that tomlin has a chance to truly showcase his drafts. I think we have two all pros on the team in Bell and Hayward after this eyar is over. Pair that with that pesky receiver and that is a heck of a core with a QB in his prime.

    The other thing that I hang my hat on is that our defense is only as good as our DL. I think very highly of Hayward. I think he can be the cornerstone that Aaron was. All those players that played with Aaron, if they get into the HOF, should send him a fat check. He is the reason that they were that good. I also think that Tuitt has the physical tools and drive. Those two could form a great combo reminiscent of Kemo/smith, Brett/Smith.

  • srdan

    He had 14 TDs combined in those two years.

    I think you have to agree with me that we have been lacking a talent in teh redzone since Plaxico left. Heath has been on this team that entire stretch. That is my argument against heath. He is not really a matchup problem. He does not offer this team what the elite TEs offer their teams in the redzone.

    Compare him to other average TEs like Gresham or Olsen and you will see that the numbers for Heath are even, but he made the probowl. Compare his numbers to elite TEs and then tell me that he is “big time pass catcher”.

  • treeher

    You respond as if I’m blaming Tomlin for poor drafts … I merely asked the question of how much he is to blame. Of course there are front office decisions, etc. You have many arguments on this post that are well supported by facts, but the fact you seem to ignore is that the team has had two successive 8-8 seasons and hasn’t won a playoff game since 2010 and had an embarrassing loss to Tebow in their last appearance of 2011. That speaks volumes to me of poor drafts, poor coaching, and poor execution.

  • Mark

    Brown, Pouncey, Woodley, Wallace, DeCastro…run the list of draft picks. Good players? Maybe. Coaching is the topic of this, and drafting the right mix is questionable. May never see potential.

  • Mark

    Amen, Brother.

  • Mark

    Haven’t won division or a playoff game since 2010 = poor coaching. Inherited a winner = YES. Able to build anything there after = Not even close. Blame all on him = no. Colbert is as much to blame, as are the Rooney’s for hiring a lame OC.

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