Is Pittsburgh’s Front Office Too Enamored By Speed?

We’ve all heard the cliche “speed kills” and on the football field, a tenth

of a second can mean the difference between an 80-yard touchdown or a 2-yard gain. With their 2014 draft class full of explosive, speedy players, it’s food for thought as to whether the Pittsburgh Steelers front office became just a bit too blinded by the stopwatches. Their first-rounder, Ryan Shazier, is the definition of explosive, a sideline-to-sideline presence who blistered a 4.37 40 at his Ohio State pro day

“As the offenses continue to spread out, you need speed; you need speed at your linebacker, you need speed at secondary, you need speed everywhere,” general manager Kevin Colbert said. “We’re super excited he was there for us.”

Meanwhile, C.J. Mosley of Alabama, who by many was ranked the #1 inside linebacker in the draft class, ran a slower 4.63 40 and was chosen several picks later by the Baltimore Ravens. Mosley finished seventh in the league with 133 tackles, making the Pro Bowl and second team All-Pro. Although Shazier flashed tremendous skills at times, his rookie season was injury plagued, and much more will be expected next season.

Fast forward to the third round, where the team opened eyes by, in the eyes of many, reaching for running back/wide receiver Dri Archer, who scorched the turf at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis with a 40 time of 4.26 seconds, narrowly missing Chris Johnson‘s record of 4.24 seconds. Hyped up as a dynamo in the return game, and a jack-of-all-trades when it came to running and catching the football, the returns he gave the team during his rookie campaign didn’t meet the team’s investment.

The team’s top rookie last season, fourth-rounder Martavis Bryant, also flashed some serious wheels, posting a 4.42 40, and putting that speed on display throughout the season. He gained 549 yards and 8 scores, while posting a ridiculous 21.1 yards-per-catch average.  While the jury is still out on the first two, Bryant is the deep threat the team sorely needed, with the ability to outrun defensive backs like a gazelle, then using his 6-foot-4 frame to go up and get the football.

With the 2015 NFL Combine now a few weeks away, and the Steelers’ glaring needs on the defense, it’s fair to believe all eyes will be on that side of the ball, beginning with outside linebackers and in the secondary. The past few seasons, the defense has eroded, with many analysts accusing it of being “too old and slow.” With the base 3-4 principles being kept intact by new coordinator Keith Butler, but also whispers of more hybrid looks, will the team again play the speed card?

“Good defense is really predicated on being where it is you’re supposed to be and good tackling,” Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. “Speed is an awesome asset but it’s not going to be the defining asset for us. It’s football. It’s not a track meet.”

The players selected to participate in this year’s combine have a little bit more motivation as well. Adidas is offering up three custom Porsche 911 Carrera’s to the three fastest players in the 40-yard dash, provided they sign with the company before stepping up to the line. Each car, valued at about $83,000, are wrapped in a sleek, cheetah print design. Coincidentally, Shazier took his Porsche Panamera to get upgraded with a turbo system this week. The fast get faster.

  • kdubs412

    They definitely went overboard last year. Regardless of whatever other teams were targeting Shazier, taking him at fifteen felt like a huge reach, especially with the consensus best ILB still available. Same for Dri, I would’ve been happy picking him up in the fifth or sixth, but the third was way too early for a guy who clearly had a lot of bust potential. Last year might be an outlier though; they definitely weren’t thinking about speed when they took Jarvis.

  • Ike Evans

    Idk…. Is Seattle?

  • steelster

    Are you trying to say they have turned into the Pittsburgh raiders? Dhb is on the team.

  • 20Stoney

    Are they enamored by speed? The Jarvis Jones pick would suggest otherwise.

  • Matt Manzo

    I don’t think so. I think we wanted a taste of it last year, but we’re definitley not the Raiders!

  • JesusChristTheGodMan .

    Agreed

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I actually am glad the front office is (slightly) obsessed with drafting speed. And here’s why…

    1) You can train a guy to get stronger (Harrison, Keisel, etc). You can show a guy how to anticipate plays. You can teach a guy better technique. It is very difficult to teach a guy’s legs to move faster. I’m not saying we should draft a bunch of track stars who can’t play football. I’m saying if I had to “miss”. I’d rather miss by drafting speed and try to train him up, than miss by drafting a guy (like Zumwalt) who I KNOW does not have the speed/athleticism to compete at this level and hope his instincts/technique carry him. You have to pick your weaknesses when it comes to drafting (otherwise they’d all be 1st rounders) and I’d rather pick speed as my asset.

    2) I’ve watched too many Steeler games where Foote and Farrior and company CONSTANTLY got beat in coverage. TE seam routes. WR inside slants. RB screens. I watched too many games (early in Ben’s career) where our WR’s couldn’t get quick separation. All those years Manning’s Colts and Brady’s Pats and Brees’ Saints torched us. I already know how that story goes. I’d rather lose trying something new/different.

    3) Every success our offense is having right now is due to speed. Antonio Brown is (arguably) the best WR in football because of his speed/quickness. Martavis Bryant is dominating people not just because of his height but because of his deep speed. LeVeon Bell dropped 15 pounds which made him much quicker. Suddenly he is the best RB in football. Pouncey and DeCastro are great lineman not because of their power but because of their quickness getting to the second level. I don’t mind if we “miss” on a guy or two because we’re “hitting” on so many.

  • Brandon

    Ding ding ding! Yes sir, your right so many people wanna jump the gun on this stuff but you gotta give this kid a little time I think hes gonna be a very good pro. People dont factor in the facts sometimes. To me he didnt play long enough in a complex defense to even get any kind of progressive momentum I think hell start to shine the more we can plug the holes in our defense.

  • charles

    Urban Meyer is a very good talent scout. However, Shazier tackled like a sissy when I saw his play at the NFL level. Sometimes the talking heads just make up things or stats to emphasize and defensive speed is one of them. Can’t agree more with Coach T: it’s football not a track meet.

  • Brandon

    No faith! He will be a great pro wait, watch, and see! You just give him some time he didnt play long enough last season but I bet he continues to get better,

  • Alejandro Caballero

    I don’t buy this, anyone remover jj time

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Having said all that, I think the core question here is… Does our DEFENSE suck because we’re drafting “fast/finesse” players?

    I would say the answer is probably yes. But more because of the “finesse” part than because of the “speed” part. Earl Thomas (Seahawks) is fast but he’s not finesse. Jamie Collins (Patriots) is fast but he’s not finesse. Dominique Rhodes (Vikings) is fast but he’s not finesse.

    Our problem is that Colbert looks at guys like Jarvis Jones and says “I’m GLAD he tested poorly at the combine. Now he’ll fall to us.” Or he looks at guys like Ryan Shazier and says, “It’s no problem that he only weighs 230-ish pounds. He’ll be fine at ILB.”

    Colbert needs to make sure his fast guys are also strong, physical guys. There are plenty of them around in all different routs. But they have other flaws (usually they need help with technique).

  • T R

    Mosley also played on a better defensive line with good OLBs.. that helps.. having a great NT, (ngata) and 2 good OLBs (dumervil and suggs).. it helped Mosley get to the places he needed to be. If Mosely would have been on the Steelers team.. I am sure he would not have been as successful. Being our pass rush was so bad from OLBs

  • richard

    Does anyone really believe that if Archer had run a slower 40, that Pittsburgh still picks him in the third round ? Pittsburgh needs picks that impact the team now , NFL readiness needs to be the top priority, not speed. The potential to be good in 4 or 5 years ,doesn’t help a team when their franchise QB is in the final years of his career.

  • Dave Mikesell

    Assuming they stay with a 3-4, the biggest need on defense is a 340-lb stud to anchor Tuitt and Heyward. Fix the front, everything else falls into place.

  • keth naab

    i used to think this unti lthey grabbed Jervis Jones, who is slower than some of our defensive linemen

  • steelster

    I agree. However give mccullers another year he may be that player.

  • Dave Mikesell

    Yeah, definitely. Don’t waste a high pick on a guy just yet – I like Big Dan. If the teach him to play low, he’s immovable. I’m actually feeling good about the upside of the defense. Shazier is a player, hopefully JJ is, too.

  • steelster

    I like tuitt as well. However, it could take 2 or 3 years to fix the backend of the defense.

  • puCrepeaP

    Shazier is going to be great. I thought he looked really good before injury. And I was as big a skeptic on the pick as anyone I like him. I also wanted Mosley, but maybe he fits well in Ravens scheme and wouldn’t have as much success with the Steelers. But I think Shazier will have a good career if healthy.

  • steeltown

    Maybe, maybe not… but I understand what they’re going for. On Offense more speed is never a bad thing. On Defense, if you’re playing a base 3-4 in a pass happy League you better have speed at the ILB position, as well as CB and Safety.

  • puCrepeaP

    Archer was obviously picked for his speed, but I think this line of conversation is about Shazier’s progression

  • CodeNameJerk

    The ghost of Al Davis has possessed Kevin Colbert. The power of Christ compels you!

  • richard

    Shazier was also picked for his speed, not his ability to be NFL ready. It’s fine for teams like Seattle to pick 1st rounders that need years to develop, Pittsburgh does not have that luxury. I remember a lot of good Pittsburgh defenses, defenses that couldn’t win championships, due to quarterback play. So i while fans wait the years it takes guys like Shazier and Jones to develop, Pittsburgh is throwing away Ben’s final years.

  • steelster

    Ben still has a good 5 years left.

  • Milliken Steeler

    Jarvis is quick off the ball though and its not a 40 yard dash to the QB. People are making to much of forty times. if he stays healthy and continues to develop his moves ( he has a nose for the ball and can swat passes also) all of this will be an after thought. People underestimating Jarvis.

  • richard

    I sure hope so, but this defense is more than one or two years away from being competitive.

  • steeltown

    You are correct, he has good short area quickness, which is far more important at the OLB position than straight line 40yd dash time.

  • steelster

    I think if the defense can become a bend and not break defense they will be fine. Manning and brady will be retiring soon. So the only playoff qbs that can hurt them are luck and flacco. Also, the colts defense sucks.

  • kdubs412

    Not saying I’m giving up on him, just that he was a reach at fifteen. He’s been sloppy and sometimes overmatched when healthy but he definitely has a lot of potential.

  • kdubs412

    He’s definitely playing with a more talented front, but Mosley likely would have excelled on any team. He was playing at an all-pro level as a rookie. Regardless, we have shazier now so we just have to hope he’s gonna make the leap next year. Still, probably not a bad idea to evaluate just how much stock we’re putting into the school/system of each potential draft pick. Tomlin more or less said they took Shazier over Mosley because he went to OSU and that just doesn’t seem like something that should be prioritized to me.

  • puCrepeaP

    I disagree. Shazier was not drafted for his Speed. His speed was definitely a selling point, but in college he also was shown to be a solid tackler and a disruptive playmaker. Archer on the other hand is fast…that’s about it. Mosley is a bit more polished yes, but it won’t take long before Shazier gets a hold of the system and wrecks havoc hopefully. I don’t know why anyone expects any draft pick to be a star their first year out.

  • Paddy

    I could play MLB behind the Ravens front 4

  • puCrepeaP

    I agree, that’s why I hope they don’t brush off Nate Orchard just because he plays for Utah and not some SEC school.

  • steelster

    Are you sure you wouldn’t get paddy caked.

  • tequila0341

    CJ Mosley weighs 235 lbs.

  • Toddy Bravo

    Spot on. I’ve been saying that for quite some time. If we can’t prevent 8-10 yard runs at critical times, it doesn’t matter how much pressure we get on the QB or how well our CBs cover. Every time I say it, everyone says either McClendon graded out well in film review…or McCullers is the answer. That may be so about McClendon, but he still isn’t a franchise NT. One of those would indeed solve many other problems. Oh, and McCullers was a 6th rd pick for a reason.

  • Alan Felicia

    Sloppy and over-matched, sounds like a typical rookie to me. Don’t want to pile on, however, can you at least judge the player after year 3 or 4. Polamalu was deemed a bust by many fans his rookie year. So was James Farrior when he played for the Jets. Look how their careers turned out.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    But he didn’t look all pro against Bell in coverage! LB owned him!

  • NinjaMountie

    Well, at this point it will be hard to underestimate him he’s done so poorly. Certainly his stock can only go up, lol.

  • Weiss Chad

    Shazier is gonna go boyhood on his a••

  • richard

    If you look at the best defenses , they are big strong and aggressive, exactly what Pittsburgh used to look for. These smaller finesse , and speed guys don’t fit the type game the Steelers play. This is the type defenses the Colts ran for years, it worked for them because they put up 30-35 points per game. This defense will continue to suffer untill they get back to drafting for the system, and stop jamming square pegs into round holes.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    So do I.

  • steeltown

    I think too much is made of this 230lb thing… some of the best ILBs in the League weight in the mid 230s, like Kuechly, Lavonte David and Mosley

    Shazier just needs to stay healthy, and I agree, you cant teach speed

  • steelster

    But the game has changed since then and you have to account for a pass happy league. Shazier was the right pick.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    And how do you propose he stays healthy?

  • Weiss Chad

    Wasn’t James far riot only like 235 his last cpl years

  • steelster

    Injuries in general are by accident, not by weight.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Kuechly and David are 4-3 MLB’s. It’s a completely different position. It’s more like playing strong safety.

    Mosely plays behind two of the most physical DT’s in the game. It’s a lot different when you’re running free to the ball and don’t have to shed pulling OG’s.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    He wasn’t injury prone in college. And this is similar to Bell vs. Lacy. Bell was injured and Lacy wasn’t rookie year and now not many would take Lacy. I think Shazier has shown flashes of greatness and maybe last years injuries were just bad luck.

  • steeltown

    Well obviously there’s no way about it, it happens. His injuries were not serious, more like freak injuries, sprained knee and ankle if I remember correctly and he didnt have any issues in college.

  • Milliken Steeler

    I don’t knot know Ninja. Im gonna say “incomplete” as they use to put on peoples report cards if you didn’t have enough time around. lol

    He started out pretty good until Timmons put his head down and plowed right into him.

    If he is healthy and I have no reason to believe he wont be this year. I’m gonna go out on a limb. With the knowledge of the game book in his third season, Coach Mitchell, designing a few more creative plays for our OLB’s…..I think Jarvis goes 8-10 sacks, 1 int, 3 -5 swats and two forced fumbles

    There it is, Milliken just put his _ _ _ _ right on the table 🙂

  • steeltown

    Ok then, Lawrence Timmons, James Farrior, etc.etc.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    I think Farrior was relatively light weight. But he was tough and physical too and we know how good he was. I am not concerned about Shazier and he has potential to be a key cog in our d. He should be able to cover any TE in the league in single coverage. And he stayed healthy in college so I think last year was just bad luck.

  • NinjaMountie

    Lol..I do hope you are right, my friend. I’d be thrilled with that production.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Yeah. And Partick Willis weighed 242 at the combine. What a difference 7 pounds makes, huh?

  • steelster

    Exactly, farrior played at 225 lbs.

  • richard

    The game has changed, but the solution hasn’t, the best defense still sack the QB. Pittsburgh is no longer drafting to get pressure , but trying to draft to cover, and everyone knows what happens to Pittsburgh when they play the cover game. Look at the Bills , had they had a franchise QB , the Pats may not have won that division.

  • puCrepeaP

    Saw that BYU just got some Tongan kid who is 6’7” weighin 410lbs out of HS. There’s an anchor for you. Don’t know if he can play ball though.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Sometimes luck is involved. But if you frequently send a 210 pound Troy Polamalu flying into a scrum of 300 pound lineman you’re going to get “unlucky” a lot more often.

    A lot of the pre-draft analysts predicted Shazier would get hurt playing ILB in a 3-4. And they were right. Twice. Move him to strong safety or MLB in a 4-3 and I believe he will get “lucky” with injuries a lot more often,

  • steelster

    Yes, they need pressure, but i think that has more to do with poor production from the olb’s. I think shazier can average 5 to 7 sacks a year. Which is nice production from an inside lb. Where did the patriots rank in sacks.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    I will say that in a 3-4 defense, your defensive line makes a HUGE difference in how clean your LB’s stay.

    For example, if we were to draft Danny Shelton, our base DL would be: Heyward-Shelton-Tuitt

    Opposing teams’ OL would be forced to double team. And Shazier would be able to run free more often.

    But whether it’s 230 or 235 or 240… I still don’t think Shazier will ever be the sturdy, block-shedding type.

  • steelster

    The Steelers may very well draft shelton for that reason. I believe though that he didn’t perform well at the senior bowl.

  • Zurich1012

    That is a very good point! I like Shazier

  • richard

    I’m not sure about the Pats , but I am fairly sure the Bills had the most sacks last year. I’m old school , I want a big powerful defense it is a proven formula.

  • steelster

    Actually i thought the same thing but ninja on here pointed out the high number of super bowl champs in recent years where the defense didn’t rank in the top 10. That was true this year.

  • Zurich1012

    Jerry Olsavsky and Foote were actually smaller and both were good players. The size argument is ridiculous because there are many examples of players that are smaller that are great players. Also allot of rookies have injury bugs because they hit the rookie wall in their first season. So you make a really good point. I think Shazier with some time off and better off season training will be much better prepared in his second season. I like the Shazier pick because its a step in the right direction as to how the leagues offenses are changing. With the same thought defenses and how they are build also have to adapt to those changes.

  • thomas hmmmm

    I bet Shazier would have been All Pro also if he played behind Bmore’s line. Fact is at the beginning of the year our line was a mess especially with Cam in there. During the end of the year our line started looking great with Tuitt starting and McCullers getting more snaps. Judge Shazier next season since our line will be established and productive. There will not be any Cam Thomas getting pushed back into the secondary on every play.

  • Ma Masing

    Ryan shazier is gonna be great player great athleticism not sure bout archer. Another fast guy bryant had great rookie season

  • thomas hmmmm

    Exactly Stoney. If Shazier played behind that line he also would have made the pro bowl. Now that our line is established and solid I expect Shazier to have a great season next year.

  • richard

    Yes that is true but you also have to look at were the offenses ranked, NE was 4th in scoring offense at just under 30 points a game. Pittsburgh just doesn’t score enough points to offset a suspect defense, it just isn’t what Pittsburgh does.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Look at the plays Archer was given. Every time he was in the game it was a 75% chance that they were throwing a screen to him. How do you expect him to do good when everyone knows what is going to happen? I blame part of Archers failure on the Coaches. They need to be more creative with him. They cant just put him in and throw a screen every other time.

  • steelster

    Your thinking in past terms and not future terms. That’s why maxx Williams is a no brainer safe pick. He can help with the scoring. I believe they got 3 tds from the te position. That doesn’t cut it in today’s nfl. They can use the rest of the draft to draft defense.

  • richard

    There was a time when Antonio Brown was buried on the depth chart, you win playing time by making the most of what you get. They gave him a chance to make a mark on special teams and he was unable to keep the job, Archer is a gimmick player, there are to many legitimate offensive weapons that lose reps when he is on the field, and that just doesn’t make sense. If he wants to make a mark on this team it will be as a returner.

  • gdeuce

    Mosley was one of the worst LBs in coverage

  • SfSteeler

    nailed it

  • kdubs412

    Well to be fair that was probably the first time a 6’2″ running back caught a back shoulder fade on him. Just remembered how good Le’veon is for a minute there…really good.

  • kdubs412

    As I said, I’m not giving up on him and think he has a ton of potential. Some of you guys take any criticism of a player as an indictment of his entire career. All I’m saying is that we were all surprised when he was selected at 15 and haven’t seen much from him yet, partly because of injuries. I hope he has a productive and healthy 2015-16 season.

  • kdubs412

    Very possible, Baltimore certainly has a much better front. It’s also possible that he could have had the same issues getting caught out of position that he had with the Steelers. Not really relevant because there’s no way to know, in reality Mosley had a DROY caliber year and Shazier had an injury-plagued one where he didn’t play particularly well in limited playing time. I hope he stays healthy all of next year and can consistently show the flashes that make him so exciting to watch.

  • Brendon Glad

    The short answer is yes. The longer answer includes that they do not appreciate “ball skills” and “ball instinct/tracking” nearly enough. Sure glad we didnt waste a late round pick on the Butler kid…because then New England might only have 3 Super Bowl trophies. And the Steelers might have a CB who can jump a route AND ALSO CATCH a tough throw in traffic. With respect to Gay, who can do that. One or 3 more wouldnt hurt.

  • richard

    Don’t get me wrong , I would have no problem with any pick that will put points on the board. If Pittsburgh can raise their average points per game by 3 , they will be on par with teams like Green Bay and New England.

  • rystorm06

    To be fair, not many linebackers in the league can cover Bell. he’s a beast.

  • Guest

    I’m sorry but saying “if he’d played behind the ravens front all year he’d be a pro bowler” is just noise, what are you basing that off of? There’s no way of knowing how he would have done on the ravens, he and Mosley are completely different players with different builds and skill sets.

  • Steelers12328882

    Too enamored in last years draft class or overall? I’d say no to either anyway, but last year Shazier and Archer would help your speed argument, but Bryant was drafted more for his size. Tuitt, Zumwalt, McCullers and Blanchflower are not exactly burners.

  • Steelers12328882

    He would have been drafted the next spot, so not really a reach at all. Just a preference by the Steelers.

  • Reg Sayhitodabadguy Hunt

    The only reason most of us were suprised is because we all wanted a cb early being it was our biggest need but overall I’m good with shazier he has pro bowl potential if he can stay healthy

  • Krankor

    Indeed, if you go back far enough, Jack Lambert was too small to play middle linebacker.

  • Nolrog

    I’m not sure it’s so much the front office as it is Tomlin. When he was hired, I remember talking to my buddy and he said Cowher was all about beating the crap out of people but Tomlin likes the speed.

  • Orlysteel

    Think Dallas was picking after the Steelers and were going to grab Shazier they were surprised that Pittsburgh didn’t go for a Cb.

  • Jeremy McClurg

    I don’t think so. Shazier was a projected middle fist round guy, so the Steelers took him. Shamarko was a projected 3rd rounder, and that’s where they also got him. It’s not like the Raiders selecting Heyward-Bey in the top 10, or the cornerback from I believe Houston. We don’t look like we have Al Davis syndrome yet. YET!

  • Scott

    Shazier needs to be evaluated in a full healthy season before determining whether or not he’s a reach.

  • thomas hmmmm

    I’m basing it off of the fact that he would have had more free lanes to make plays. We will see next year since the Steelers line will is more stout now, barring injuries of course.

  • Reno

    After reading all of the posts I have seen just about every reason why to down play Moseley’s success and Shazier’s lack of success. For some reason not taking the BPA at the position they want to fill bothers me more than most. I think what some people are missing is not his size but ability to shed tackles which was one of his weaknesses in his scouting report. Shazier may end up being a great player but for me as it stands right now it’s hard to stomach when you pass up the #1 rated player at the position who makes the pro bowl as a rookie. He was the #1 player for a reason and played like the #1 player. The Ravens DL didn’t make 133 tackles for him. I also firmly believe the Steelers connection with Ohio State had something to do with the pick. If the Steelers had an eye on ILB not being sold on Williams and not knowing if Spence could come back from his injury can someone please tell me why they didn’t bring the #1 rated ILB in Moseley in for a pre-draft visit? The 3 year comparison doesn’t work for me when the player they should have taken made the pro bowl as a rookie and our pick played average at best when he was healthy. Shazier needs to have a great year this year for the Steelers to justify taking him over Moseley. Perhaps it would hurt less if we didn’t hand the #1 player to the Ravens. I hope he becomes the player they envisioned when they drafted him.

  • i understand the Shazier/Mosley comparisons after only one year, Just remember what everyone thought of Bell vs. Lacy after their rookie season and everyone was riding the Lacy train, then look what happened in year 2.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    I realize LB is that good. But he was 5 for 5 on targets with Mosley covering him. Any linebacker in the league can give up 5 for 5 on targets. If Mosley was playing at all-pro level he should win some battles against an all-pro RB. He didn’t and I don’t consider Mosley all-pro yet. Part of my point is that I think Shazier has potential to be much better than Mosley because of his speed and he is pretty much the same size. Shazier had injury problems this year, but he wasn’t injury prone in college and think he will be fine in the future. I don’t regret taking Shazier over Mosley in the least at this time.

  • HiVul

    I think Shazier was the right pick and compliments Timmons’ skillset more than Mosley would have. Other than that, I don’t think there’s many examples to show that they’ve prioritized speed too much. Archer is the only other guy, and if they hadn’t taken him it sounds like they were considering Bryant at that spot anyway. So we may have ended up with Archer and Bryant in the 3rd and 4th regardless, just in a different order. That 3rd rd pick was a comp pick.

  • Paddy

    Good one