2016 NFL Combine Recap: Day Three

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Only one day left. Weekend already flying by. Today kicked off the defense with the line, edge guys, and off-ball linebackers working out. That’s over 100 players with a ton of bonafide first round picks, mainly along the defensive line. Let’s hop to the notes.

Just a reminder, we finish up the combine with the DBs tomorrow.

Defensive Line

– The big boys were flying today. But the one that surprised almost everyone was Oklahoma defensive end Charles Tapper. At 271 pounds, he pulled off a 4.59. Honestly thought they screwed up the clock, given they originally gave Victor Ochi the wrong time a few minutes earlier. But it was legit and got people talking. Toss in a 34 inch vert and 9’11” broad and you have a metric king. Most are profiling him as a 4-3 end, and that’ll probably happen, but he has the length (34 3/8 arms) to theoretically let him play in say a system like Pittsburgh.

Andrew Billings. Woah. A nose tackle who runs a 5.05? That’s motoring. He looked great in drills too, as fluid as you can hope for from a frame like that. I tweeted it earlier. If you’re going to even entertain the idea of a nose tackle, he better be able to get after the quarterback. Billings has the production and numbers to back that up. I’ve defended Steve McLendon a ton but I’m not opposed to thinking about one if I can get an elite player. If Billings falls to 25, which is highly debatable, he’ll be in the conversation for Pittsburgh. Added him to my list.

– Sure, Joey Bosa’s 40 was iffy. But he showed explosion in his ten split, a pair of 1.69’s, and killed it in the agility drills. 4.21 short shuttle and 6.89 in the three cone, two of the best numbers of the entire group. He’ll run better at his Pro Day, people will forget about the Combine number, and he’ll get in the top five. Book it.

– Still a big fan of Louisiana Tech’s Vernon Butler but he didn’t time nearly as well as I anticipated. 5.33 40 with a 29.5 inch vert and 8’8″ broad, one of the worst numbers of the group.

– I just love to see Sheldon Day compete. Granted, teams request to see defensive linemen in OLB drills, but Day – the only true defensive lineman – went out there and held his own. He’s dropped a couple times at Notre Dame and even, just for fun, showed hands and hops.

– South Carolina State’s Javon Hargrave continues to build his stock. Just the travel he’s done shows a desire to compete and incredible exposure for a small school kid. He’s played in the Shrine Game, the Senior Bowl, and now the Combine. Those small school players are tough evaluations because of a lack of body of work, being able to compare how they translate, so going through this gauntlet is critical.

And he’s done a great job at all three places. Today, at 311 pounds, the defensive tackle ran a 4.93 and jumped 34 inches in the vertical.

Chris Jones is raw but the dude has the tools to succeed. 6’6, 310 pounds, 34 1/2 inch arms, ran a 5.03 40 and 1.7 split and a 4.62 short shuttle. I need to get into his tape more, I know Dave didn’t love it, but this could be a round two pick for Pittsburgh.

– I keep preaching it, back to my Senior Bowl notes and scouting report on Dadi Nicolas. He is Howard Jones. Both 6’2, 235, with crazy impressive verticals (Jones 40.5, Nicolas 41) and similar short shuttle times (4.41 to 4.38). They both have issue with taking instruction, have to be told things again and again, and need a lot of coaching. Mark Gorscak had to remind Nicolas of where to line up when running his 40. Nicolas played against better competition and I think he’ll get drafted, unlike Jones, but his best fit is as a situational pass rushers in a 4-3.

– Gotta be honest. Thought Jihad Ward would test better. 5.11 40, 25 inch vert, and 9’3″ in the broad. Not awful, especially considering his mass, and we’ve seen him dunk a basketball, but I thought he would really be the talk of the group. Didn’t happen.

– I have no idea who this Connor Wujack kid is from Boston College but man, he was impressive today. Fluid, smooth player who at 291 pounds, ran a 4.91, jumped 34 inches, and a 4.27 short shuttle. Only four players turned in a better time and none were heavier than him. 11 TFL and 4 sacks this year is nothing to turn your nose at.

Bronson Kaufusi is a high-cut guy but he wrecked the Combine today. In a good way. My teenage slang isn’t good.4.87 at 285 pounds, 4.25 short shuttle and 7.03 three cone. He kept looking down at the bag in drills, but showed off some surprising athleticism.

– Appreciate players who immediately take to coaching. Buffalo Bills’ DL coach asked for guys to show a more violent punch on the bags and Kenny Clark knocked it out of the holder’s hands.

– Wanted to see Lawrence Thomas show a better punch in drills. He’s going to be two-gapping in the NFL and has to generate better power.

– Small moments give a glimpse into how guys listen and take in coaching. Same DL coach told players to go slower through drills. D.J. Reader went right after that but rushed through it, leading the coach to say “slow down” again.

Edge Players

Shilique Calhoun looked like a natural outside linebacker. Seamless in his transition when asked to drop his hips and turn. His 40 time was poor (4.82), and I’m sure many will remind my of Jarvis Jones, but the agility drills – showing flexibility – are vastly different. Let me just stack them up for you. Keep in mind Jones’ numbers are from his Pro Day, where numbers are almost always better than the Combine.

Calhoun:

Short Shuttle: 4.25
Three Cone: 6.97

Jones:

Short Shuttle: 4.71
Three Cone: 7.46

Night and day difference.

– I’m geeked out Maryland’s Yannick Ngakoue. Another guy who fit right at home in OLB drills, having no issue dropping into coverage. His 1.65 split is solid and he posted respectable numbers in the vert and broad (34.5, 9’10”).

– I wrote this morning I didn’t know much about Emmanuel Ogbah from Oklahoma State but based on Twitter’s reaction, people were very surprised to see him turn in such a high 40 time of 4.63. Has people running back to the tape.

– I’m still steadfast in viewing Noah Spence as a mid to late first rounder and his rough 4.8 40 (his splits were solid, to be fair) is going to get people thinking that way. There are continued grumbles that he didn’t interview well, though this is the season of smokescreens. Think there is a chance he falls to Pittsburgh at 25. We’ll see if they pull the trigger.

– Boise State’s Kamalei Correa is probably going to turn out to be a second round pick by the time the draft kicks off. One of the few explosive edge guys out there today, even if his testing wasn’t that great.

– Utah’s Jason Fanaika did pretty well in the agility drills but in workouts, he just looked tight-hipped. Don’t really know if he can drop into coverage in the league.

– Ditto with Southern Utah’s James Cowser. He tested even better than Fanaika though, so maybe I should give them a closer look.

Off Ball Linebackers

– The group ran well. Leading that was Ohio State’s Darron Lee with a 4.47 and ridiculous 11’2″ broad. He’s 232 pounds but moves like a safety. Very Ryan Shazier like and I’ve already been asked a ton about Lee coming to Pittsburgh. Answer? Not sure yet, check back later, says the magic eight ball.

– For 267 pound Stephen Weatherly to run a 4.61 is excellent. Wish he would’ve done the agility drills but I’m guessing he would’ve struggled and opted out while he was ahead.

Reggie Ragland isn’t going to blow anybody away but his times were solid. I don’t have issue with his speed and range, even if he isn’t going to excel at it. A fun comparison of 40 times and splits.

Lawrence Timmons: 4.70, 1.66
Reggie Ragland: 4.72, 1.66

And oh yeah, Timmons was 234 pounds, 13 lighter than Ragland. No one has had any problem with Timmons being a three down guy.

– Oklahoma’s Eric Striker predictably looked better in workouts but his starting points aren’t good. 5’11/3, 227, and a 4.8 40 with nothing special in the other categories.

De’Vondre Campbell from Minnesota generated buzz today, running a 4.58 and 1.67 splits, some of the better times of the day. Another guy making scouts go back to the tape.

Travis Feeney ran well, a 4.5 flat, but has a Gumby body. Tall, thin lower half. He sure did jump out of the gym but he’ll have to be a WILL, playing in space.

– Takes a lot for Kentrell Brothers to break down in coverage. Straight line speed was poor, running a 4.89.

– It’s not a false step but guys like Rutgers’ Steve Longo and Temple’s Tyler Matakevich have to take an extra step to be able to push off when flipping and turning in coverage. Not able to drive off the outside foot and gain ground, taking a lateral step with their inside foot and powering off.

Someone like Blake Martinez, on the other hand, was able to drive with a powerful step. He had a nice day.

Jordan Jenkins didn’t have a great day. Timed poorly, the high 4.8’s, and repeatedly screwed up drils, being forced to repeat because he guessed or turned the wrong way.

– Last note. Wisconsin’s Joe Schobert was solid. Quick, efficient, and though I don’t care very much, caught the ball cleanly. 4.76 is a good enough time.

About the Author

Alex Kozora

Full-time blogger from mom’s basement. Marrying tape and statistics. Chidi Iwuoma is my favorite Steeler of all-time.

  • jconeoone C

    No write up of kevin dodd?….I did read where he pulled up on his 2nd 40 attempt. Im assuming he didn’t finish the drills?……I agree Billings looks like a monster and I would be happy to have him

  • PittsburghSports

    Tapper has the ability to play 34 OLB too, according to Mayock. I gotta take a look back at the drills some time and draftbreakdown has a few videos to look at as well.

  • CP72

    Alex fantastic break down. One question….

    Do you think Billings is big enough to play zero tech? He’s probably 25 pounds lighter (at least) than Casey Hampton. I love the kid as a player, but don’t know if he’s a 3-4 nose.

  • thomas hmmmm

    I like that OLB from Maryland also, Ngakoue. For not being a football power house school they have turned out some ok players in the NFL.. Shawne Merriman was a monster until he injured his acl.

  • CP72

    I thought he performed like I thought Spence would (and didn’t).

  • LucasY59

    I think Tapper could be a useful player (like he was in college and he moved all over the D) He could play some Base D OLB, some sub package edge, and maybe even some play inside in the sub package and base? Im not saying he is a guy that should take a majority of snaps at any of the spots I listed,but he could have value rotating at all of them.

  • The Notorious TOM

    Shoutout for the Charleston Southern pic.

    #Chucktown

  • Alex Kozora

    I missed him in OLB drills but I heard he looked stiff. Sounding like a guy who needs to play going forward.

  • Alex Kozora

    Yes, Dodd pulled up. I wrote about like, 30 guys. I think that’s plenty.

  • Alex Kozora

    I think we have to be careful to compare everyone to Big Snack. Hard to find guys just like him. Don’t chase that bird.

    If you look at Billings, he’s a dense guy. And in this modern era, we’re losing our place for 330 pound pluggers. You gotta get after the QB or there isn’t a role to see the field. McLendon, a fairly nimble nose, can’t see more than 30% of the snaps. So if we have to sacrifice a little weight to get after the QB, I’ll live with it.

  • jconeoone C

    Appreciate all the work dude! Sorry if it came across otherwise!……But lucky for the Steelers you get to write about so many guys bc there is a lot of talent on the d-line this year!

  • Shannon Stephenson

    I hope we pass on Noah…dont want him

  • Shannon Stephenson

    saw tape on Ngakoue and liked it a lot

  • taztroy43

    Any chance darron lee can translate to ss for us? Hes athletic enough….and i think he could play inside the box as well…your thoughts?

  • taztroy43

    If billings is there he might end up being the pick…you cant pass up on a player that can disrupt the pocket from inside. ..

  • CP72

    Fair enough….like I said I love the kid. He’s got that spark plug vibe to him.

  • Alex Kozora

    Nah all good man. Thanks for reading.

  • Alex Kozora

    I deal with enough of those questions about Shazier…don’t even want to start thinking about that for someone else, ha.

  • CP72

    An added bonus of taking Billings is he frees up McClendon to give Tuitt and Heyward a breather. It helps our depth issues at DE by drafting a NT.

  • Do you like Shaq Lawson for Pitts if he fell to us?

  • Eli Younan

    Really excited for tomorrow, but a guy who I really want is Leonard Floyd, I know drafting a lb 4 years in a row can grind some steeler fans gears. But he’s explosive and I read he was compared to dion Jordan but firstly dion Jordan was in a polar opposite scheme than pits, just a thought.

  • Alex Kozora

    I’m open to it. I don’t like to put myself in a box for anything.

  • 58Steel

    I was intrigued by Floyd, and encouraged that he weighed in at 244. One of the knocks on him I’d not bring big/physical enough to set the edge. He ran the 40 well. I don’t know about him though.
    I’d rather have Billings, Ragland, or Butler. My guess, if all 3 were available, right now, Steelers would take Billings.

  • Steel Your Face

    Haven’t heard any talk about him coming out as a Sophomore but may have missed it?

  • tony cotton

    back at it again, so ill start with free agents I hope we resign Gay, Boykin (I know this won’t happen), McClendon, and Foster on a 1 year deal, then address why not sign Edge Rusher from seahawks Bruce Irvin, Coby Fleener TE from colts, then draft goes like this-
    1st- D. Thompson Safety
    2nd- Y. Ngakoue OLB
    3rd- M. Ioannidis DE
    4th- T. Calhoun CB or best athlete at CB available

  • vasteeler

    Rd1 OG Joshua Garnett – bottom line foster is getting older, is unathletic and is avg run blocker at best. This guy could be a staple of the line under Munchak’s tutelage
    Rd2 OLB/SS – Sua Cravens – his versatility will allow him to fit in any scheme, natural playmaker very similar to troy polamalu
    Rd3 DE/OLB – Carl Nassib – very raw but can get to qb, sneaky athleticism, hard worker, superior burst and initial first step, better and more production than Joey Bosa last season
    Rd4 CB – Harlan Miller – starting to rise up the draft rankings, elite athleticism, elite reactionary quickness, dominated small school competition
    FREE AGENCY – Trumaine Johnson, Tashaun Gipson

  • Brian Miller

    Report from nfl.Com that T. Johnson may be franchise tagged by L.A.

  • vasteeler

    That sucks, there is no way the rams can afford Jenkins too then, and the steelers will not be in the Jenkins bidding war, bad news

  • thehugster

    I don’t understand the hype with Sua Cravens. Live in LA and watch a lot of USC football, the guy is nothing like Troy Polamalu, just watch his tape. His horrible 27″ vertical and refusal to do any other tests should be a big red flag about his limited athleticism.

  • vasteeler

    I think he’s more olb than safety but his knack for being around the ball can’t be denied, hybrids are becoming increasingly important in a pass happy league, theoretically he should be able to match up against TE’s and maybe even some receivers while still being effective if a team chooses to run out of a spread formation, he’s going to be good no matter where he goes as long as he’s healthy

  • CP72

    The Steelers like their OLBs to be ass kicking edge setters. Don’t think that’s what that kid is.

  • CP72

    Would take Keanu Neal over Cravens all day long.

  • Eli Younan

    Yeah but we need an aldon smith kind of guy. I understand he isn’t suited for the run that well but he can bulk up and for now generate more pressure than anyone on our D.

  • AndyR34

    I doubt that McClendon wants to be the next Al Woods…going from NT starter to rotational DL. And I doubt he will sign for Al Woods/Cam Thomas money. If that’s the plan he’ll sign somewhere else. Lots of teams will want a solid starting NT.

  • HoodMatic1

    If Andrew Billings falls to 25 then I surely wouldn’t be surprised if the steelers picked. Also Hassan Ridgeway put up some pretty good numbers at the combine. I’m a huge Texas Longhorn fan and watched him play. He was one of the best defensive players along with freshman Malik Jefferson he just couldn’t stay healthy.

  • Brian Miller

    I agree, which is why I think they may let Jenkins go in FA.

  • SnoopDogg123

    Flyod was bigger than I expected. The comps to Dion Jordan and Mingo scare me though..

  • The Notorious TOM

    He’s similar to Polamalu because he’s samoan and played at USC? Such a weak association. Hate seeing people say this smh.

  • vasteeler

    Which corner would you go after if you were the steelers? taking in consideration how they spend also

  • vasteeler

    Only you say that, my comparison is from his TAPE, he’s ALWAYS around the ball period.

  • NinjaMountie

    IDK bro, he’s not a natural DB. He’s a nickle LB/OLB. This guy isn’t a S in the NFL in my opinion. He didn’t participate in drills but he isn’t anywhere near the speed of Troy. I don’t see the comparison either other than school and ethnicity.

    I like Nassib in the 3rd but I don’t see any reason why he’d fall that far. I think he’s not getting enough credit. Josh Garnett is another solid.

  • vasteeler

    I’m not saying he’s as good as Troy but you can’t deny that cravens is always around the ball and he did cover receivers on a limited basis at USC, maybe a better comparison is the other hybrid guy from the cardinals

  • NinjaMountie

    Noah Spence was blown up by the evaluators apparently. Several bad reports and one said it’s about time so they can finally stop talking about him as a fist round prospect. Ouch.

    I’m also getting a little frustrated with the general lack of buzz for Nassib. Though I am glad in that will keep him lower.
    Still, he preformed as well or better than Bosa in all the drills other than the cone drills. On top of that, he killed him this year in production against an almost identical schedule and he beat him in their head to head. Not much respect for this guy anywhere right now other than Mayock lol.

  • NinjaMountie

    Oh, he’s a great college defender and is, as you say, always around the ball. I just don’t know how he’ll fit in the NFL.

  • vasteeler

    I think whoever drafts him should just let him play and not confine him, I actually think the steelers should do more of that with shazier also, just let him use his instincts, Troy became legendary when he was allowed to do that

  • vasteeler

    I don’t think people realize that the steelers are transitioning away from their traditional 34 also, even colbert stated such, which is why 43 players are now an option so you can’t label front 7 players anymore when looking at their system and automatically assume that they won’t fit, as long as they can rush the qb they will always be a fit and that’s how it should be

  • Benchmark

    Maybe you should watch some tape in his earlier SC days. This kid was the No.1 High School rated Safety going into college. Out of the 20 teams that interviewed him, 10 were looking at him at safety. Maybe look at his twitter account and look at DJ praising his workout today( I have not hear one negative about his workouts today an a lot of teams are interested in watching him run through DB drills on Pro Day). Yes, all of us would liked him to run today but his stupid agent is leading the way. Cravens did USC a favor by switching positions( And Gaining Weight) because of the Reggie Bush scholarships taken away and is now paying for it, but he is wanting to switch back to safety. At least 10 teams recognize his talents at safety (including the Patriots). He may not be Troy and we all agree to that but this kid is talented and can play the dime nickel and box safety just like Troy did. Maybe that is were comparisons are being talked about besides let him play and he has a nose for the ball just like Troy did. So now you are more educated on the associations. Everyone likes his tape against UCLA, maybe you should watch him in the slot all day on that tape and then come back and let us know your opinions.

  • tony cotton

    I would be disappointed with these picks except j. Garnett, cravens is NOT a DB and we dont need any more speedy LBs, nassib doesn’t have good strength and doesn’t have much of a pedigree

  • PaeperCup

    So many tweeners these days. CB/S, S/LB, LB/DE, DE/DT/NT….and athletic freaks everywhere that don’t seem to be true fit for any one position…making it tough

  • tony cotton

    Agreed, he is nothing like troy, he cant cover and doesn’t have nearly the same playmaking skills

  • PittsburghSports

    Spence beat Nassib in every category including bench press.

  • tony cotton

    Trae Elston in 7th round would be a steal

  • tony cotton

    What about trae elston

  • NinjaMountie

    You’re cutting hairs in their times and Nassib has almost 30lbs on him. Totally different players and then there is the fact that Nassib isn’t a giant tool. Now figure in that Nassib got his sacks against B1G competition and Spence got thrown out of said conference. Not impressed with Spence and neither were many coaches and/or scouts from the word.
    I got infatuated with that OLB from Boise St for a minute and then went and watched 4 of his games. I was swiftly uninfatuated, lol. I still like him but he looked like Jarvis does with the Steelers: Always around the ball, good in coverage but got swallowed by OT. He did have a couple of nice sacks but they were off stunts. He only beat a OT once from the games I saw. Maybe I didn’t get good games.

  • Matt Manzo

    If it means anything, Dave Te Thomas thinks so!

  • CP72

    Nasssib lead the nation in sacks….not a bad thing to put on the old resume.

  • CP72

    Kinda different players. Nasssib is 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. As far as the bench goes having arms 3 inches shorter can make a difference there.

    I’m not a huge Nassib guy, but he might have the one thing the combine can’t measure…..heart.

  • PittsburghSports

    Kinda different players that will be doing the same exact thing in the NFL. Rushing the QB from the edge.

  • Gluebucket

    Maybe a good thing that Jihad Ward’s numbers weren’t all that good if the talent is truly there. It might cause him to fall a good bit and we could get him late for a good value.

  • PittsburghSports

    Edge defenders are not totally different players, despite their size differences. They’ll be performing the same job in the NFL. You’re talking about one source saying his interviews were bad and making a big deal of it. Not a 1st rd pick? Puh-Lease! Who said that? The word from the NFL before that was his interviews went great. Many are suggesting it’s a smoke screen. His numbers from the combine weren’t bad at all and his 10 yard split was 3rd best among D lineman. The only time you care too much about combine numbers is when there’s something shocking, and then you go look at the film to see if you missed anything. His numbers were good to great. His film is great, and it was great against B1G completion too. I am by no means knocking Nassib, because I think he’s a great player too, and he is being talked about in the 2nd rd even hovering late 1st, but this whole scouts and teams weren’t impressed with Spence is total garbage. Laughable actually. He dominated the Senior Bowl practices and game. Same guys Nassib went up against, who also had a good week.

  • PittsburghSports

    Kinda what I was thinking too. His 3 cone time was very good though.

  • PittsburghSports

    Without a doubt. He tested extremely well and looked great in drills. He’ll have no issue dropping if asked too. Can’t imagine he drops to 25 but that’s my pick if he does.

  • PittsburghSports

    Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

    “Noah Spence tweaked his hamstring at the Senior Bowl and has issues with it today. Was timed at 4.6 in training. Pro Day next week.”

  • CP72

    Yeah, but that’s like saying Von Miller and Ziggy Anasah are doing the same thing. They play on the edge, but are two different players.

  • NinjaMountie

    Yes there is a difference in how edge rushers get to the QB…that was my point. Also, I’m not saying Spence is a terrible pass rusher. My comments were true, the reports were he didn’t do well in interviews. I’m not going to argue with you about this as it’s widely reported and it’s a stupid argument.

  • PittsburghSports

    A couple important numbers for defensive lineman and linebackers that aren’t exactly splitting hairs.

    Vertical jump. Measures explosion off the line.

    Spence: 35 (tied for 3rd best)
    Nassib: 28.5 (43rd best)
    *this is a concerning number for Nsssib, and one you have to go back to the tape and look at, considering 320+ lb NTs tested better.

    Broad jump. Measures short area quickness and burst.

    Spence: 10′ 1″ (tied for 3rd best)
    Nassib: 9′ 6″ (tied for 18th best)

  • PittsburghSports

    Who?

  • NinjaMountie

    I don’t remember her name. The lady reporter. I deleted my recording of yesterday or I’d go back and get the exact quote.
    Again, my post was never to bash his abilities. It was a post commenting on how over-looked Nassib is.

  • NinjaMountie

    OMG..I’m not denying Spence has some events in which he was better. That’s not what this conversation is about..wow. They are two different types of athletes.
    Dude…I’m so done with this. You’ve gone down a rabbit hole now

  • PittsburghSports

    It’s Kim Jones quoting an “unnamed” NFL source. You started off by saying Spence was blown up apparently. I mean, he has for good reason. Slightly disappointing 40 time, but it was reported he tested earlier in the 4.6 range and might have a hamstring issue. IF the 4.8 time holds true at his pro day it definitely might drop him, but not out of the 1st round.

  • PittsburghSports

    OMG, wow. dude.

  • NinjaMountie

    Bro, why are you always so hostile?

  • NinjaMountie

    The vast majority of the time, all sources are left unnamed. That’s not a new thing. I’m not worried about his 40 time. I’ve never looked at him because I don’t think the Steelers will even take a shot on him due to his character issues. I also think his character issues are probably the only thing that will drop him because he does look good from what I’ve read on him in the past.

  • PittsburghSports

    lol maybe you’re taking it the wrong way, dude, bro.

  • NinjaMountie

    Well, as I’m an adult, if I took it wrong, I apologize.

  • PittsburghSports

    True, but they’re still pass rushers. Spence’s testing yesterday was very good except his 40.

  • PittsburghSports

    Take a look at my first post. Simply said Spence tested better than Nassib. You countered, so did I. What’s the big deal? Simple conversation, then you started calling me dude, bro, saying OMG like it’s a big deal and now you’re showing me how much of an adult you are? Alright.

  • NinjaMountie

    Like I said, I may have taken it wrong. Honestly, I was wondering how your whole conversation of comparing Spence and Nassib started as that was never the intent of my post. I actually compared him to Bosa. I don’t get on here to argue every time I make a post. I was just sharing a generic thought.

  • vasteeler

    I said the same thing I don’t know why people in these threads hate nassib, he seems like a surefire prospect

  • vasteeler

    But nassib is a lot bigger than Spence

  • PittsburghSports

    I hadn’t noticed.

  • Brian Miller

    I really feel like there are quite a few serviceable CB’s out there, but I am sure our FO will give every opportunity to Cortez Salem to make the team. Nolan Carrol, the two studs from Los Angeles, Terrell Brown, Casey Heyward, Brandon Harris…I just feel like free agency could fill that need plus a good DL need, just need to know who we are losing in FA first.

  • The Notorious TOM

    You haven’t educated me on the association at all baha. They’re nothing alike and you people are pidgeonholeing him w/ Troy just because he’s Samoan lol. Still weak. Lazy analogy.

    ”If you watched him play and do his workouts you’d know bro. You’d know.” shuddup.

  • The Notorious TOM

    So’s Cam Heyward. Cam Heyward’s always around the ball so I guess he’s just like Troy Polamalu lol.

    Bad comparison is bad. ”I watched the games!” Then have you ever watched Troy then cuuuuuz….

  • vasteeler

    Amakumara should be reasonable considering his injury history and Claiborne flamed out in Dallas but he has all the physical tools, I think the steelers winning culture would greatly help Claiborne, he might be a lil cheaper than gay. Claiborne, gay, and senquez could be formidable

  • George Kroger

    I agree with you…he CAN cover. The problem is I don’t think he has an everydown position in the NFL. He’s perfect as a 3rd down safety/LB, but he’s too small for a 1st and 2nd down LB and too slow for a 1st and 2nd down safety. He didn’t run and I read he was only so-so in drills.

    If he can run a 4.5 at his pro-day, he’s worth a 3rd round selection – no higher. And if his time is more like 4.6-4.7 (which I think it will be), I would not take him at all.

  • George Kroger

    You nailed it!!!! He’s a nickle LB. Can’t play everydown and so would be worth a 4-6 round selection – play STs and specialty 3rd down packages. That’s it!

    He tackles well for a safety and covers well for a LB. Put unfortunately, he is not complete at either position.

  • vasteeler

    you watched him play but conveniently didnt notice him playing a “rover” position at ANY time during college?? Lol Notorious yo say some things just to be the smartest guy in the room man

  • The Notorious TOM

    Not hard to accomplish when people are prancing around comparing guys like Cravens to Troy lol.

  • vasteeler

    Lol Notorious at least you’re a steelers fan, please show your 4 rd mock when you get a chance, i promise i wont assassinate you like you do to others

  • The Notorious TOM

    Pew pew. Sharpest eye in the west mang.

    We don’t even know who’s on the team but I’ll give it a shot.

    RD1.Joshua Garnett. Assuming Ramon’s the one to walk Joshua would be an insta-upgrade and he’s also a plus plus plus in the character department. Good lockerroom guy like him is very welcome after Heath’s departure.

    RD2. Austin Johnson. Mayock went on and on about how deep the interior D-line guys were so I think we might have a shot at Austin in rd 2. He could replace Cam Thomas as the everyman along the line as a rotational player to give Tuitt and Cambam a breather and we could bring him in for different subpackages.

    RD3.Austin Hooper. Looks like a talented kid that can pluck it out of the air and his blocking’s coming together. Coming out so young though I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and hope he’s still available like Jesse was since he’s so green.(another dose of stanford smarts in our lockerroom doesn’t hurt either.)

    RD4.Joshua Perry. Stout run stuffing linebacker from Steeler U(Ohio State) team captain. senior. I figure he could push Moates and Garvin off the team eventually.

  • vasteeler

    We both like Garnett , hooper could be a nice sleeper, I think we could get better value in the 4th though

  • Brian Miller

    Are Claiborne and Amakamura used to playing zone? I thought that was one of the main reasons Claiborne struggled in Dallas because they were playing him in zone and he was a press man cover corner.

  • vasteeler

    The Cowboys don’t play much zone, which prevents the corners from facing the play. Their backs are often turned, which don’t allow for many interceptions. He actually had a good season, bouncing back from a torn patella tendon, he wasn’t a bust perse, it’s just that he would have to be a hall of famer to be worth what Dallas gave up in the draft to acquire him, the cowboys are actually attempting to resign him to a modest incentive laden deal. He still runs a sub 4.5 and would probably be the best corner on the steelers team as long as he healthy. The steelers should jump on this opportunity as this guy has something to prove

  • Brian Miller

    I appreciate the insight, color me intrigued!!

  • vasteeler

    I admit I thought he was a man press cb just like the scouts or maybe they led me to believe he was, but it’s pretty obvious that he’d excel in a zone scheme, plus he’s getting better at man, the similarities to ike Taylor in his prime are staggering

  • Brian Miller

    What do you think his market value is currently?

  • vasteeler

    That’s a good question, had the cowboys picked up his option he would have made $11 mil, but I still think he’s worth more to them than he would be for another team, similar to how we value will gay, but considering that he’s missed 26 games in 4 seasons, I say 3 years $10mil, $4.5 guaranteed is more than fair