Steelers Vs Browns Winners/Losers

Well, let’s call it a less thrilling game than last week, but I think you’ll take that every year in Week 17.

WINNERS

Sean Davis: Davis put an exclamation point on a strong rookie season, ending the day with his first full sack and picking up a forced fumble when the Cleveland Browns went into full Browns mode and botched a shotgun snap. He continues to be a physical and mostly reliable alley defender against the run. Really fun to watch him improve in such a short amount of time.

DeAngelo Williams: He was asked to create a lot of plays for the Steelers’ today. Perhaps his biggest ones were somehow falling out of his own end zone, twice, to avoid a safety. And though Landry Jones darn near got him killed on his touchdown, Williams eluded the linebacker, and dove across the end zone for the Steelers first points of the game, shortly before the first half wrapped up.

Bud Dupree: Dupree had a sack/forced fumble and it was a really pretty play. Granted, against Cam Erving, an awful linemen playing right tackle for the first time all season. He separated, dipped the corner, got to the QB, and finished the play. On the day, he finished with seven tackles, five of which were solo.

Darrius Heyward-Bey: Some impact on the box score, a lot of impact away from it. He made the tremendous hustle play of the afternoon, tracking down Briean Boddy-Clahoun’s long interception return and swiping the ball out right before he crossed the goal line, which the Steelers recovered and got the ball back.

The Steelers would score on the next drive and tie the game up.

Offensively, he won a jump ball that set up another score. Nice to see that back in the offense and hopefully more to come in the playoffs.

Demarcus Ayers: A great continuation of the game he had last week. It wasn’t all perfect, there was an ugly drop sandwiched in there, but he showed the acceleration his pre-draft numbers didn’t suggest (but his tape did). We’ll have a good breakdown of his touchdown for the morning.

Jarvis Jones: Some love to the big fella, who may be playing in his final game with the Steelers. A sack and a forced fumble, the latter at the very end of the game when the Browns seemed certain to win the game? That’s good stuff. Hats off to JJ.

Tyler Matakevich: He didn’t get a run on defense today but he was his usual stellar self on special teams.

Daniel McCullers: Nice day for Big Dan. Ran through a rookie center on a sack and in overtime, worked off a block to stuff one run. He flashes just enough for you to dream of how good he could be but likely will never become.

Cobi Hamilton: All this guy does is make big plays. Third down, combat catches, and this afternoon, the game-winning snag. He’s been a great find and a valuable member over this win streak.

LOSERS

B.J. Finney: His starts at guard were great. His one at center? Let’s call it the opposite of that. The big difference could be when he played guard, they were against 3-4 fronts (Buffalo, Kansas City) where he was uncovered. Today, he went against a 3-4 front, meaning he was covered by the nose. And a very good one to boot, Danny Shelton, who generally had his way with him.

Blitz pickup and recognition may have been an issue too. Something we’ll look closely out during the week.

Offensive Line: We singled out Finney in particular but truthfully, the entire starting five didn’t play well. The Browns’ run defense isn’t very good, though maybe not as bad as the numbers would suggest, but run lanes weren’t plentiful today. And the pass protection could’ve been better too. Throw in a couple penalties, a false start on Ramon Foster, a hold on Alejandro Villanueva, and you hope – and need – for better days next week.

Eye Discipline: A big reason for the Steelers’ defensive problems early in the game. Struggled to react to the playaction and misdirection of Cleveland’s offense. Not nearly as disciplined as they were against the Buffalo Bills, who do similar things.

Jesse James: Sorta reaching here but was hoping for a more impactful game in Ladarius Green’s absence. The safety made a nice play but would’ve liked to see James come down with his red zone target. That’s his game. Ends the day with two catches for 16 yards.

About the Author

Alex Kozora

Full-time blogger from mom’s basement. Marrying tape and statistics. Chidi Iwuoma is my favorite Steeler of all-time.

  • srdan

    Winner-mike tomlin

    Motivating that team today to a win was a huge challenge with everything already decided.

  • Winners in missing Landry Jones with that second half comeback after a slow start by the whole team. He made some big time throws today. He earned himself a contract today, maybe not here but somewhere.

  • Kick

    I hope we resign Jarvis Jones. He finally seems to be going in the right direction and we should be able to get him cheap. He seems like he is about to turn the corner.

  • Last regular season game of his rookie contract. It’s a little late I think.

  • Kevin artis

    I’ll let him walk. We need to resign Timmons. He ran right over the RB.

  • James Cowan

    Quite enjoyed that game actually for some reason.

  • Spencer Krick

    This, I wish Jarvis the best but I’ll let a different team throw money at him.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Just over 40% of JJ sacks are against a future HOFer…….what in the hell? lol

  • DirtDawg1964

    I have him in the loser list. Inaccurate for most of the game. Badly underthrows DHB. Badly overthrew on the int. forced a couple of other throws that could have been picked. Poor blitz pickup; then took to long to get rid of the ball. He’s not a very good QB. Granted, he played lights out on the OT drive.

  • Henry

    Jarvis will be 28 next season. He is not going to get any better.

  • jujudoublestuff

    Best damn cheerleader in the NFL

  • WeWantDaTruth

    Loser – whomever decided to not play Matakevich on D. Didn’t like seeing Shazier and Timmons out there as much as they were.

  • Steel Tippin

    What a season! Wow!!

  • Kick

    He came in with very few game reps, none over the second half of the year. You have to give him a little time to get going at the hardest position to play.

  • Doogie

    Still I have been saving on hair cuts. Have pulled out all my hair last two weeks.

  • Michael Pennant

    LOSER – Tomlin, for disrespecting top 5 scoring defense and NOT resting one non injured starter.

  • I listened to the game on the radio, only saw overtime once CBS switched to it after the Jets game was over.

    He doesn’t get many practice reps during the year. Sure it took him a while to heat up, but he got into his grove. Horton blitzed at least 5 men more often than not, I’ll bet at least 70% of the snaps. He took some sacks, but to his credit, he hung in there and got it done. Made some clutch throws in the forth quarter and OT.

  • Kick

    We get get him for little to nothing. Even if he is a career back up .

  • Rob

    Maybe its just because of the attention recently being called to what he does, but add Mike Tomlin to the winner’s list for calling that TO in OT to tell the defense to step up at the goal line after the facemask penalty, and after allowing Cleveland to drive the length of the field.

    I also don’t exactly what he does, but he must be doing something right.

  • Reg Sayhitodabadguy Hunt

    Didn’t want to see them out there at all especially Shazier

  • Steel Tippin

    He is what he is, and he’s a back up, nothing more.

  • Doogie

    Who Javon? At the end of the game they had 2 DL right? I just hope he clears protocol this week. There isnt any DL men waiting for a call?

  • dany

    If they can get him for no more than 2 million a year then sure. An Arthur Moats type contract is perfect

  • Rocksolid20

    Yep , I agree

  • Rob

    I thought that at the start of the game, and then looking at how they played, against the Browns no less, it seems as if they needed the playing time.

  • Doogie

    Did he have any Pom Poms? Well thats it, the only cheerleader the Steelers ever had and he forgot his poms

  • Rocksolid20

    Steedy , but not great . Must come cheep .

  • John A Stewart

    Haley loser list play calling was chaotic especially that wild cat call.

  • They didn’t get hurt so it’s moot.

  • Rob

    Im not sure what you’re getting at here bud lol

  • Doogie

    Was a joke.. Steelers never had cheerleaders..

  • Pricopea

    How did we do in the injury front?

  • Doogie

    OUCH Javon, Walton both out. Javon concussion, Walton ankle..

  • OIF3gunner

    It’s the first article on the site at the moment.

  • Rob

    I know but the pom poms and Mike forgetting them? Definitely lost me there

  • OIF3gunner

    Like a bird? Haha, happy new year

  • FATCAT716

    It still was the steelers & I enjoyed it to I really wanted them to win

  • 6 ring circus

    I think they played pretty uninspiredly intially, but as the game wore on, they seemed to pump it up. I give him credit for keeping them engaged. But then, competitive spirit always seems to rear it’s head when you begin to inch closer.

  • cencalsteeler

    Winners- Landry Jones. Imo, Haley didn’t help him at all until after the pick 6 fumble in the end zone. He played with undrafted wr’s and his line didn’t help him much with the blitz pick up. He also kept the team momentum going into the playoffs by leading the team down to a game winning drive, much like Ben did last week.
    Eli Rogers was also a winner in my book along with DW and Timmons.
    Losers- Danny Smiths special teams and running backs identifying the blitz pick up.

  • Steve

    Put Mitchel on the looser side. Numerous missed tackles. He hits players well but don’t wrap up. Then whining to the ref like a drama Queen, will get you no where. He needs to tackle better and wrap up.

  • Jaybird

    How’s this for a loser- I just saw Talib of the Broncos rip the gold chain off the neck of Crabtree as he was walking back to the huddle from the sideline. Then he was bragging to teammates about it on the bench. What a piece of crap.
    I know it had nothing to do with the Steelers , but man I can’t stand cowardly stuff like that.

  • Doogie

    Cause of the Bradshaw comment..and cheerleaders use pom poms..

  • Mister Wirez

    Run Defense = Losers

  • cencalsteeler

    Not a fan of Mike Mitchell, but he did have a valid point there. He was face masked and couldn’t see what he was reaching for.

  • Jaybird

    Yeah they showed some balz . It was like fighting with one hand behind your back with all the guys they had out today. And they actually pulled it off! Your right it was enjoyable.

  • michael young

    I have a feeling he wasn’t showing a whole lot today, while also experimenting with a few trick plays to get teams thinking about them in the playoffs. Just a guess since the game had no bearing on the playoffs.

  • Don2727

    I do not like what I saw from a defensive standpoint period. I have no confidence in the D when it comes to the playoffs and stopping teams in the 4th quarter. I just don’t think that they are where they need to be right now.

  • Milliken Steeler

    What? He won the game. He almost threw for three hundred yards, 3td’s and one pick. He threw the game winning td. He gets on the loser list? Wow

  • cencalsteeler

    It’s pretty hard to over throw DHB, who is one of the fastest in the NFL. Ben underthrows balls to him, too.

  • Doogie

    Apparently Javon passed protocol, and actually return for a few plays then was help out as a precaution.

  • Big White

    Raiders down 10-0, Chiefs down 10-3. Oh, how i’d love to go to Oakland for Round 2 if we beat the Fish.

  • Jaybird

    Winner Cobi Hamilton. Put the ball near him and he will catch it. The guy is pretty amazing- every catch he makes is contested or in a big situation.

  • Jason

    ST were awful again. Can’t field a punt without a flag. On back to back punts Berry boomed it out of our end zone to the 30 and we allowed 20 yd returns to midfield each time.

  • I couldn’t agree more.

  • Landry Jones win never win some guys over…

  • Milliken Steeler

    Apparently. Lets tar and feather the guy to celebrate the New Years day win! lol

  • Jaybird

    Don they only had two D linemen at one point. Hopefully we get Tuiit back and Hargrave is able to play next week and the D will be much better. Plus our offense will keep them off the field by controlling the clock.

  • Even the crowd wasn’t into it. The whole first half, Hillgrove Tunch and Wolf kept talking about how quiet the stadium was today. It wasn’t until the second half all parties cranked it up.

  • Agustin-ARG

    Ayers and Hamilton emerge….Wheaton will go…and If Bryant come back…who will be out?

  • You are correct sir, to my knowledge, the only guy ruled out during play was Mathews with an ankle, but that was after he returned for a few snaps as well.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    I liked Maxey’s motor especially after he first came in for Mathews – can he be a winner?

    Won’t Coach Tomlin give a breath mint to Landry Jones for recovering the fumble in the end zone to turn a Browns touchdown onto a Steelers touchback?

  • SteelChuck

    Loser – Shazier. Again steps into the hole and doesn’t break down to tackle Crowell who runs for 67 yards after we finally went ahead at end of game. How many times is he going to whiff on tackles before he learns how to play linebacker? I would rather see Vince Williams in the playoffs

  • Alex Smith just scored. KC is they better team and won’t go out quietly.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    definition of a Punk A$$ Beech.

  • Jaybird

    Maxey caught my eye a few times . He was out there hustling.
    Did he get hurt , cause I dint recall seeing him much in the second half

  • If that was Bell breaking the tackle of a LBer you would love it. The other guys can and will make plays, too. He still made some big plays in the game like the goal line pick.

  • That’s called out kicking the coverage, Ray Guy used to do that a lot. If Berry booms the ball 60 yards in 4 to 5 seconds, most guys won’t get there being that they run 4.4 40 yard dash and that’s without someone jamming them.

  • Michael James

    No, that’s not correct. Walton was never injured, it was Mathews and Hargrave was evaluated for a concussion but he was cleared and returned to the field.

  • Mathews returned as well before coming out for good.

  • DirtDawg1964

    He almost gave that game away. It took a fumble at the two yard line, on what should have been a pick six, to turn that game around. And it took another inexplicable Cleveland fumble at the two, with under a minute to play, for the game to get to OT, even at that.

    Jones was awful for most of the game and should have been tagged with a loss. If you want to look at the final stats and think he played well, so be it. But if you actually watched that game you would know he’s not very good.

    I get he’s playing with back ups, and he deserves some credit for that, but he overthrew and underthrew those guys all day long, failed to pick up what were clear blitzes, held the ball too long and had a lot of trouble moving the sticks. He got lucky that win.

  • DirtDawg1964

    Hargraves played after the so called concussion. And pretty sure it was Mathews with the ankle. An injury he was already playing with. D-line is definitely thin but we knew that already. A healthy Tuitt should make a big difference.

  • DoctorNoah

    Alex, am skeptical of Deangelo being a winner here. He was ineffective behind 4/5 of our starting O-line for much of the game. He struggled to move, but didn’t show the spark that he had early in the season.

  • DirtDawg1964

    Number one defence last six games of the year. If you don’t have confidence in them who do you have confidence in?

  • Steel Tippin

    The defense, regardless of the big plays, still saved the day, just like they have the entire second half of the season. Im proud of em.

  • treeher

    The Jones brothers gotta go. I’m not ready to resign Landry because he was able to beat the worst team in the league in overtime. The guy’s got slow twitch muscles. And JJ looked lost for most of the first half, made a couple plays in the second, not enough to stick around here.

  • The guys hasn’t played since Bell came back. It took him a while to heat up, but he broke some big tackles, none bigger that dipping under Collins on his first TD.

  • Milliken Steeler

    Almost gave the game away? We came out very flat, we were down 14-0 before you could say “please don’t let the Browns beat us”

    He had one pick. The rest of the time he was rallying the entire game and did enough to win. Which to rehash, that’s what a guy named Rivers couldn’t do last week against the Browns defense.

    If you remember the Landry that played the first two years ( and that’s all that I see some people remembering period) lol You know that this kid is not him. He has gotten better and has now won a game that he started and finished against a very determined Browns team.

    If we get a team friendly deal, In my opinion, he has become a qualified number two QB which is what we need. Next year or the year after at the latest, we can draft for a possible future starter.

    I see Landry being the equal of what Elway had with Kubiak as a back up, when he was still playing.

  • Craig M

    I totally agree.

  • T3xassteelers

    Crabtree is one of my fav players too.. F*** Talib.

  • Don2727

    I am basing my judgement on not being able to stop the Browns from driving down the field to tie up the game and short of a fortunate fumble they would have lost.

  • Big White

    Raiders down 17-0. 3rd String QB coming in for injured McGloin. Come on Chargers!!

  • steeltown

    Love love love having HeyBey back and Ayers is looking impressive. Sadly, I could see Hamilton going elsewhere on the open market. He’s been pretty stellar for us.

  • steelmann58

    nice game from Big Dan wish that was his effort every week his power is unreal. yes the young WRs had a nice effort today. looking forward to see what happens if Coats get health and Bryant can stay clean..BJ is a bettert guard than center .

  • Craig M

    2nd stringers who have yet to mature- they’ll be fine as time goes along.

  • Don2727

    I hope Hargrave’s injury is minor, and Tuitt should be back. Just got queasy seeing the Browns drive on them in the 4th like that..I just don’t want to see the back of Ajai’s Jersey late in the 4th next week if you know what I mean…

  • Jason

    Yeah. Just frustrating

  • Craig M

    Coates or DHB? they’ll probably go w/ Coates because they would hate to let a really good prospect w/ a lot of upside to get away- just like Oakland did by keeping DHB.

  • Don2727

    Only starter who was a healthy scratch was Harrison. Otherwise, who was out there would be starting against Miami.

  • george

    Losers are the refs again. They made some horrible calls that could have
    cost us the game. On a bright note when big Dan sacked RG3 it reminded me a little of when the anvil falls on Wiley Coyote.

  • SteelerFanInMD

    I agree. Jones should be on the winners list. He was playing with basically a corp of backup receivers and he looked rusty early on. He shook it off and came through with throws that won the game. That’s what you want from your #2 QB.

  • Milliken Steeler

    Tree, you have to admit and on that same note, that’s the same team Rivers and company couldn’t get it done against with that offense the week earlier.

  • Steve

    Where’s Beaver Falls Hosiery – He’s the Bo Bo guy.

  • You must have had your head in the ground not to hear about TB comments towards Tomlin.

  • Joseph Shaw

    I wondered about this too–on both sides of the ball. If the coaches might show some things that are total decoys for anyone watching tape, or just keeping the real strategic moves in the bag for a week.

  • Steve

    Terry’s a Dam Crybaby and needs to grow up. Lambert said it best “Just put a skirt on them QBs”.

  • Rob

    Cmon now..of course I heard it. No offense to Doogie, but the joke went way over my head…Still not sure if he’s trying to say “tomlin isn’t even a great cheerleader because he forgot his pom poms” or what.

  • They gave up over 400 yards of offense, not what they wanted to do for sure, but they forces 4 turnovers (2 in the redzone) and had 4 sacks. The Browns have some good players, but when you start 6 different QBs throughout the year, your probably not winning much.

    Also Tunch pointed out during the game broadcast that this was the first game of the year Cleveland didn’t have to go to their back up QB because of and injury to the starter.

    That is an astounding stat…

  • They could certainly keep all 6 guys next year providing Bryant is reinstated. They probably wont draft a WR in April.

  • George Kroger

    Watch the play again…Mitchell is straight-armed to the facemask – no grab/penalty. Meanwhile, he (Mitchell) did grab. Refs got it right.

  • George Kroger

    Don’t know about Landry being on the winners list, but Haley sure should have been on the Losers. Play calling was way too conservative for a meaningless game.

  • George Kroger

    Game did feel like pre-season…plain vanilla on offense for sure.

  • DirtDawg1964

    We were three and out on the first five drives, gained a first down and then three and out on one other and had a five drive play on the other. On the first two drives Jones took sacks when it was obvious the Browns were blitzing. He needed to make the jot read and get the ball out.

    And he was lucky to get away with just one pick, which should have been a pick six. He got darn lucky to get a win against an one win team.

    He does get credit for playing wth the back ups (although those are the guys he gets reps with, running the scout team) and he deserves a lot of credit for that final drive. That was impressive. But we shouldn’t be overlooking his poor play just because he got a W.

    Is he an acceptable back-up? I think so. But would we go far with him if he has to play for an extended period. No.

  • Craig M

    Right, my bad, was thinking Off. or thinking about the development of our DBs.

  • Sdale

    This is probably the wrong place, but I REALLY don’t want to play KC in KC. That defense, when healthy, is a real match-up problem. Oakland is just tanking and it looks like KC is going to roll.

  • ryan72384

    I was just thinking the same thing. Do not want to go there but they are clearly going to beat San Diego

  • NinjaMountie

    Oakland didn’t have a chance without Carr. We’ll definitely be going to KC if we get past Miami. Oh well, need a good test before NE.

  • Steel City Slim

    And also for having the balls to play for the win in overtime instead of tying it up with a field goal on 4th and 2.

  • Lambert58

    Should have played VW. No reason to risk Shaz & LT the whole game.

  • I agree about giving up on Coates as a prospect, can’t do that. But DHB gives us so much on special teams, and he knows how to make big boy catches, something Coates needs a lot of work on.

  • I think that’s why it was conservative, no need to open up our offense on Cleveland, gotta keep some stuff in our back pocket.

  • Craig M

    I would be tempted by a decent draft pick for Coates because I think he might end up being another DHB- not really making it to his full potential, sort of like Shamarko Thomas. Just saying.

  • LucasY59

    Hamilton is an exclusive rights free agent, he cant go anywhere but Pittsburgh after this yr

    *if they have to try and get him back onto the PS (because they cant keep 7 WRs on the roster…) there could be an issue, good to have the talent/depth but might need to use him as trade bait? …or else lose him on waivers

  • SilverSteel

    If he was hurt, why put Matthews back in at all? Timmons also should have never been in a meaningless game in week 17. He should have been rested along with Shazier so he didn’t get dinged up. We have Matakevich and VWill. Why are we taking chances? I get playing the first half, but Shazier playing in OT with the POs next week? Are you kidding me? With all of our injuries in the last 2 seasons, we still do not learn and play our most valuable people in garbage time? Unbelievable…

  • SilverSteel

    Abso-freakin-lutely!!! Glad someone caught that…

  • SilverSteel

    Well said and spot on!!

  • SilverSteel

    But playing an OT game right before the playoffs… Maybe they wont be as fresh as they could be next week – especially Timmons. He earned a week off at his age and how much he played this year.

  • LucasY59

    most likely the two you mentioned emerging, it will be tough for them to clear waivers to get back to the PS, but not enough room on the roster for all the WRs (especially if all are healthy and Bryant is reinstated) small chance they trade a WR??? (since they might lose them anyways)

  • LucasY59

    DHB is a good enough ST player that he could be the 53rd guy (6th WR) on the roster for his ST contributions

  • If they have to play on Saturday, the entire team could be playing on one day less rest.

    Bottom line is these guys are pros who work and prepare their bodies over a 12 month calendar. I’m not worried about it and I wasn’t before the game either.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Too early to think that with 2 years left on his rookie contract in my opinion. Bryant is one slip up away from never playing for the Steelers again.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Lol at benching Shaz for VW

  • StolenUpVotes

    The defense made a play.

  • Don2727

    And gave up 437 yards..to the Browns..

  • LucasY59

    IF he became another DHB (for the Steelers) Sammie would become much more valuable/useful, IF Bryant returns, Coates becomes the #4 WR, so if he develops into a quality blocker and core ST contributor, plus good WR depth, he is worth keeping around especially since he is a young player that they invested a 3rd rd pick in recently

    If they have to lose a player, it is likely Hamilton or Ayers (which is unfortunate, but they wont have room on the roster for all of them)

    I think the might have to TRY and trade a WR (the WR talent in this yrs draft isnt that great, so there could be teams interested in one of the Steelers players (Bryant might be the biggest Trade Bait) and since he is one strike away from being suspended indefinitely, he could be the guy the team is willing to part with, but he hasnt even been reinstated from his current suspension yet, so will have to wait awhile to figure out what is going to happen, but having so many talented WRs, that they dont know what to do with them is a good problem to have)

  • AustinTxStillerFan

    I hate to call out Alex since I am generally impressed with his work, but something is starting to bug me.

    Alex, you put JJ on the losers list for a game where he had one
    drop that will likely go down as a Pass defensed. It’s not like he dropped a gimme in the open field. If he had made that
    catch, it would have been highlight reel material, but he goes on the
    losers list?

    You put him on the Losers list for the Cinci game too. Your claim was that he should have come down with his single target of the game – a really highly thrown ball. On JJ’s “drop”, he’s looked to me to be jumping with his arms fully extended. Despite the jump, arm extension and his 6’7″ height, his fingers tickle the belly of the ball – he had no chance to make that catch, but gave an effort.

    In the same article, you praise Ladarius Green for toughness. Earlier in the game Green was thrown a ball on the right side of the field, and he hops up with arms bended and misses a very catchable ball. In the frame, you can see Iloka coming in from the left as he misses the catch. In other words, the guy got really short armed when he heard footsteps – not exactly a model of toughness.

    Seriously, take off the Green-colored glasses man and cut James some slack. He’s dropped a few and he ain’t Heath Miller, but he’s been doing far better than you give him credit for..

  • Starters out on offense definitely affected the D today. They would have kept the defense off the field earlier in the game. The offense’s early inability to convert 3rd downs and stay on the field gave the D little rest on the sideline.

  • Petherson Silveira

    Really agree about Finey. He is a good OG, but a bad Center. 😉

  • LucasY59

    they are very good at stopping teams in the RZ or at least limiting them to FGs, so I think they are good enough, and will hopefully take it up a level in the playoffs where the stakes are raised as well

  • You got to say Jesse James dude, The whole comment until you mention Green I though you were talking about Jarvis Jones and I was confused.

  • LucasY59

    They had Walton and Maxey playing a lot of snaps, and I would call those guys 3rd stringers not Starters, hopefully Tuitt returns and will have a big impact

  • It’s tough to judge a player one a single performance, especially against the beast that is Danny Shelton…

  • Jamaal Hood

    I’d much rather see them trade Coates instead of Hamilton. Plus there may be more value in the market for Coates.

  • LucasY59

    looks like Ajayi was injured in the pats game

  • LucasY59

    just my opinion, but that is why I don’t think players should be wearing that stuff in game, bling up afterwards but no need for jewelry as part of a football uniform (surprised with how strict the league is with uniform stuff that they haven’t cracked down on this already)

    as for Talib, he has already proven what kind of person he is (multiple times) so I’m not surprised at all (I have no clue how he didn’t get any sort of league penalty for shooting himself this offseason)

  • LucasY59

    yep defensive player is always going to draw the flag over the offensive guy

  • LucasY59

    Harrison didn’t play a snap…?

  • Petherson Silveira

    He has had few games to show us his skills. I really like this guy, but to me seems like he is out of position playing Center.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    he’s not a bad center. he is loads better than cody wallace. he was getting no help from decastro or foster on the cross dog blitzes for most of the game.

  • Steve

    Are the Steelers the only team to win on Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years in the same season?

  • pittfan

    Losers, The “this game means nothing” bunch. Poor mental preparation is problematic with this team.
    Winners, 2nd teamers looking to win roster spots. The EFFORT guys.

  • LucasY59

    and I think Harrison has been close to blanked through his career by Thomas

  • LucasY59

    they won despite Landry today, but Jarvis stepped up (most likely so that he can get a bigger FA contract elsewhere)

  • LucasY59

    they didnt seem that motivated, they won more so because of clowning by cLOLeveLOLand

  • LucasY59

    was the crowd there??? from what I could see there were a ton of empty seats

  • LucasY59

    they have more invested in Coates, so to make a trade for Sammie, they would need to get a return that is equal to or greater than the investment (early 3rd rd pick or better)

  • LucasY59

    but his natural position is Center…?

  • Petherson Silveira

    I don’t know. I think playing Center a lot different than Guard. I don’t know if L Jones was responsable for audible the protections or if it was up to him, but the protections called were not good for more than once. But, what cought my attention was how many times he was push back into the runner and i saw him laied on his back more than once. Fortunately he is young and has a lot to learn from the veterans and Mike Munchak. Next year we will have a great Ol depth with him, Hubbard, Hawkins and that OT that came from Denver but i forgot his name.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Like me. lol. Look, I admire what he did today against the bad Browns’ team. But I have no faith in him that he can win games against quality opponents (See Chiefs game in 15 and Pats this year). It literally took the team 15 real-time minutes to move 20 yards against the patriots late in the fourth . That told me everything I need to know .

  • Steeler Fanatic

    If the Steelers were so sold on him they wouldn’t have kept Gradkowski.

  • steeltown

    You are right! Talk about depth… AB, Bryant (hopefully) Rogers, Coates, Heyward-Bey, Hamilton and Ayers all back next season

    I think, for once, we may not use a draft pick at WR

  • Steeler Fanatic

    I would rather sign a 50 year old Aaron Jones than resign Jarvis. That is how much I think of him.

  • Sam Clonch

    Believe we’re the only team to play on all 3 days. So yes?

  • SilverSteel

    Or they are lethargic because of the lights out performances in the winning run and need a rest. Shaz, Timmons should have played a half at most to let Matakevich and VWill get some time on the field just in case they are needed in the next weeks ahead. No freakin reason Shazier and Timmons should be in there in OT with the POs next week which could be a short week to boot. It’s not like Shaz is impervious to injury 🙂

    Also, DuPree said he is not 100% and is tearing his injury weekly and in pain. Let the guy sit this one out or just play one half and let Moats come in. I just don’t get it.. And letting Dangerfield get some time would have been smart too – would not have been much drop off to let Mitchell sit for last half.

  • Sam Clonch

    DHB only vet WR that got snaps. Props to the young guys Ayers, Rodgers, Cobi for stepping up. Invaluable reps for them, and each one should gain a ton of confidence from this game. Each popped.

  • steeltown

    One training camp injury (or suspension) away from keeping both I guess… good problem to have

  • LucasY59

    they will have a hard time keeping the WRs they have, so drafting a WR would be a waste, Wheaton has no chance of being re-signed because of this as well

  • Jaybird

    Lucas it was just a gold chain . It wasn’t even outside of his uniform, Talib reached in and ripped it off. Talib was totally at fault. And I’ll tell you something- I might be getting a little older but if someone’s ever grabs my chain off my neck , so help me God , I’ll break every Bone in his face and both his hands. I can’t stand thieves and vandals.

  • budabar

    These are actually ST WR’s

  • To each his own. I know what Landry Jones is, a back up QB, no more, no less.

  • Rob

    Lol “lights out performances” shouldn’t make you suck the next week. Suck = allowing nearly 500 yards of offense to the Browns.

    Could you imagine if they played like this against Miami? Even with the lack of motivation, they had to step up, and get their act together to close out the game. There’s value in that. If almost losing to a 1-14 Browns team doesn’t wake you up, I’m not sure what will.

  • Zarbor

    Loser – the defense; they better don’t play that ridiculous run defense against Miami again. Too many missed tackles. This is going to be an Achilles heel. Sorry but I’m not giving Cleveland that amount of credit. Pass rush still not great. Coverage not great either. Defense needs a lot of work still and our offense better be running on all cylinders in the playoffs.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    ryan harris.

  • LucasY59

    I wasnt defending Talib’s actions (he is a total thug) but again (IMO) there is no need that I can see for guys to be wearing Jewelry on a football field

  • Taylor Williams

    Both of our best defensive lineman are out. We had Jarvis Jones playing. On top of that we were playing 3rd stringers.

  • Big White

    Good news Steelers fans. Rumor has it Haley is a candidate to replace McCoy in San Diego!!

  • WreckIess

    1. There’s no rumor out there linking him to San Diego.
    2. If there was that would be far from “good news”.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    That would be terrible news! I hope you are being sarcastic!

  • Hypo Cycloid

    Me too!

  • Jimbo

    Now thats funny..

  • StolenUpVotes

    I’m not saying it was a good performance. What I am saying is it is silly to call things like fumbles “fortunate” or lucky. It is called making a play. They made one there.

  • will

    Surely you are joking

  • Big White

    No. Haley tries to get too cute. It’s like a few years ago Ben Tate was signed off the street for the playoffs. Haley threw three passes to him to start the game.

  • ItsGroovyBaby

    They most definitely did!!!…..The Steelerettes from 1960-1971

  • Kevin McDonnell

    Looked like Massey shot a few gaps with a quick move off the ball early in the first half but I don’t see him as much later. D-line will be key to show improvement next week without Hayward and maybe Tuitt.

  • He played center at Kansas State.

  • NinjaMountie

    You know, I don’t get the hate for Tomlin and Haley. I’m not saying you, but it makes us look spoiled and unappreciative when fans (not you) complain about a tandem that’s done nothing but win. I know we all hope for a SB every year because, well, our team is the Steelers, but we win consistently. We win on a level only matched by the Pats and the Colts this millennium…yet we still complain. We’ve won 2 SBs and were competitive in another…and we still complain.
    I wouldn’t want to change a team that’s won as consistently as we have. Haley might get screwy sometimes (and I agree he does) but we might get someone worse.

  • NinjaMountie

    yea…I like Alex too but I agree. J James being put on the losers list for not catching that TD pass (and the Cincy game for the ‘drop’) is/was really, really, really reaching. Now if he wants to put him on there for his blocking and states that then I’m all okay.
    So, Yea Alex! C’mon man!

  • Zuami Montanez

    Against the pats he was moving the ball on the pats, but stalled inside the 20 i think.

  • Mister Wirez

    He may need the #92 summer weight training. Not many get passed JH.

  • Steve Johnson

    Winner? Mike Tomlin – inspiring his team after they came out flat in the 1st half. Not going for unnecessary two point conversions; going for it on 4th down to win the game.

    Landry Jones – Gotta give this kid some love, he seemed to have gotten into a rythm as the game went on. I was ready to yank him after the 1st QTR.

    Colbi Hamilton and Demarcus Ayers – I say start them and sit Sammie Coats.

    Losers? The O/L. Poor performance.

    Defense – Gave up over 400 yards to the Cleveland Browns.

  • TsarPepe

    Give Landry a break. I thought he was solid, esp. given the weapons that he had. There were duds, but also many poised, accurate passes; never really lost composure. You can have a better backup QB, but not much better, and not for the money Landy is getting.

  • TsarPepe

    You need to get a bit more realistic, Fanatic. Do you think there is a team out there that have faith in their backup QB winning games against the best in the league? Which team would that be? Seattle? Green Bay? Atlanta?

  • Charles Haines

    Double team Kelce on 3rd down and don’t ever kick it to T.Hill. That’s how you roll KC.

  • Dan

    I didn’t intend to care about this game, and through most of the first half I didn’t. But as the score was close and we went into OT, I really started to. It was a really exciting win in the end. We beat the 1-15 Browns with out our stars….but it’s still the Browns.

  • Sdale

    Yeah, but what do you do about Hill as a receiver/runner? Sproles killed us.

  • Sdale

    What I was really hoping is that KC would dump NE. I think they’re the toughest match-up for NE. Oh well. We’ll just have to do it the hard way.

  • Charles Haines

    Pray he misses the flight? If I recall correctly, Sproles had one long catch and it was a result of Shazier having to cover two people and an awesome display of poor pursuit angles. Ideally we get a lead and then Bell it down their 26th ranked rush D. Hill can enjoy the view from the bench.

  • Bradys_Dad

    11-5 has a much nicer ring to it that 10-6 doesn’t it?

  • Lizard72

    Problem is there’s a ot milling about at any given moment. I can’t count how many times we had to stand up for people going/coming to their seats. Also, that halftime empty stadium is crazy. I went to he bathroom (not that long of a line) and bought some hand warmers , but they were already into a minute of the third by the time I got back to my seats. The people sitting around me took until @ 5-7 minutes in to get back.

  • Lizard72

    The Patriots? Shouldn’t we expect them to play better against the worst in the league?

  • Hypo Cycloid

    I agree he gets too cute. I hate throwing deep on 3rd and short. I hate 3rd and 9 and running the ball. However, overall, he has been tremendously successful as a coordinator every opportunity he has had. Highly ranked offenses. High scoring offenses. Should he leave, the continuity of this offense will suffer. No time for that now. There are only a few coordinators that are better.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    Kind of shocked Landry Jones isn’t on your winner list.

  • popsiclesticks

    If they were sold on AB they wouldn’t have offered that contract to Mike Wallace.

  • popsiclesticks

    So many people think the Steelers should just sign a good QB who is available, cheap and content being a backup because those guys are just everywhere.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Milliken, loves LJ. I don’t know why.i watch the game yesterday and this is what I saw.i saw qb that doesn’t scan the field. There should’ve been more than 1 pick.Like i mentioned. We need a guy that come in and give us 3 or 4 wins if Ben goes down. I don’t see it with LJ.He knows the playbook mess needs to stop. He should know the playbook, he’s been here 4yrs.

  • Big White

    That’s not a given. Ben can throw the ball to a ham sandwich and with the extra emphasis on putting together an O-Line to protect him the next few years, they should score 24-30 points with whomever calling the plays. There was probably a lot of folks who thought we would struggle when Arians was let go. Ben, Bell, Brown. Enough Said.

  • Petherson Silveira

    I did not know this. Thank you 😉
    Can you tell me if Center was his main position? Thanks

  • Petherson Silveira

    Thank you Michael!!

  • melblount

    Well, at least Alex stated he was “Sorta reaching here” on the Jesse James Loser listing. He probably should have said, “Really reaching here.” The facts: JJ was targeted 3 times and had 2 receptions. The third was an excellent pass defense by the Clown defender, a catch that perhaps only a couple of great (or lucky) TEs make. Not sure about his blocking in the game as it was hard to keep up with all of the BAD OL play. Overall, I really don’t get the lack of love for JJ, who IMO is developing into an integral part of our offense for years to come.

    The other JJ, Jarvis Jones, made a couple of BIG splash plays, and shows up in the Box Score with 3 Solo Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL, 1 PD and 2 QB Hits. Not shown there of course is his biggest play of the game, the strip of Crowell on the Clowns’ biggest gaffe play of the day. (There are reasons this team is 1-15.) BUT, other than those notable plays, JJ was his usual self, constantly getting manhandled, playing stiff, running around in open spaces looking stoopid, and routinely getting to the action just AFTER the play is dead. I would add to the Losers list Stillers fans (like me) who want Jones gone at the end of this season as his play today MIGHT give the coaches a glimmer of hope that he still has something to offer. MT’s post-game comments about Jones were interesting and provide some hope for those of us that hope Jones will be moving on to another team or his life’s work in 2017.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    Arians STUNK! He was an example of a massively underachieving offense. For years I called for him to leave. Almost any coordinator could follow him and see more success simply because arians was incompetent. Haley is not incompetent however and while you are right that it’s not a given, I believe odds are strongly for a decline due to changes, regardless of the superstars on offense. His schemes are very good. His actual play calling can be questionable at times.

  • melblount

    All good comments, especially the defense. Miserable performance by them and hard to understand how a site as credible as this could overlook putting it on the Losers list other than simply noting “Eye Discipline.” It goes FAR beyond that in this game.

  • Big White

    Yeah Arians stunk so bad he won coach of the year with two different teams.
    2013 Colts, 2014 Cardinals. Stay off the weed bro.

  • budabar

    J jones’ name can be put on auto apply on the loooosers bracket

  • afrazier9

    Dude you are so right the reverse the wild cat the always great timing wrap around shotgun draw smh

  • J.

    Really going to knock him for loosing to the patriots? Lots of QBs loose to the Patriots. Even Ben is only 3-5 vs the Pats.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i dont get the mike tomlin hate. he isnt the greatest but hes still a good coach. haley having known him personally may be a decent coach but is a terrible human being.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Apples and oranges. AB at the time did not have gour years under his belt and a handful of starts… If they were so confident in Landry, why did they bring in Bruce this year?

  • Steeler Fanatic

    I understand that. But the Pats game was painful to watch, almost like they were playing not to lose. LJ running the 4th quarter offense looked like a rookie, not a 4th yr guy.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    Come on big white! That was head coach!!! He is a very good head coach! But a lousy coordinator. I have ALWAYS argued that there is zero connection between success as a coordinator and success as a head coach. Two completely different animals.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    BTW, Haley stunk as a head coach.

  • Steel City Slim

    Loser: Rich Gannon for constantly calling Landry Jones, Jarvis Landry.

  • John

    The issue with this game is they came in as if it was the fourth preseason game and started playing that way. The comeback was nice. Does Ayers get playtime in the playoffs or does Coates come back and be effective? We need Green. And we need the DL to be healthy. Here we go.

  • Conserv_58

    Loser, (as always when it comes to the Steelers), the ESPN NFL website.

    I just left the ESPN NFL web site and I had to scroll way down their NFL front page to find a tiny little blurb about the Steelers game against the Browns. REALLY ESPN?!

    HELLO, ESPN! The Steelers just won their seventh game in a row, with a, third-in-a-row, win against a division rival, with five of their key starters, (Ben, AB, Le’Veon, Pouncey and Deebo) intentionally deactivated and all you want to talk about is kiss Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady’s butts?

    It is for reasons like this and others as to why I never watch ESPN anymore and rarely click on their web site.

  • Conserv_58

    They were quiet in the first half because the Steelers were stinking the place up, mostly because they were not motivated to play in a “meaningless” game. Apparently the head cheerleader, Tomlin forgot to send out a memo to his coordinators that outcome of this game counted on more than just the final score. It seems the players didn’t get the message until the second half that momentum and a positive mindset going into the playoffs means something.

  • popsiclesticks

    Because they needed to have a third string QB, just like every other team in the NFL. Bruce came back at the minimum to give Landry some competition in camp and because he’s Bruce and they probably just like having him around. I thought you were referring to last year – did you think they should just not bring in more than two QBs to camp? What team does that?

  • Conserv_58

    Give me a break! This post is why the players scoff at fans that think they’re arm chair experts.

    You’re complaining about a back up QB that rarely sees action in the regular season. Did you happen to see Landry’s post game numbers? Did you happen to see his post game QB rating? Did you even take into consideration that he knew he was playing to save his job? I guarantee that had it been, Ben that put up those numbers you’d be singing his praises. Furthermore, you never bothered take into consideration that Jones was playing without Pouncey, Bell, and AB. He was also playing behind a disinterested OL, according to a very upset and apologetic, David DeCastro. Landry was under constant pressure because of the half hearted effort put forth by the OL. He was sacked four times and hurried constantly, especially in the first half because the OL was packing it in and that, in itself, was a huge injustice to Landry, a guy fighting for his career. Thankfully, coach Munchak realized what was happening and the OL stepped up their play in the second half.

    I’ve been a hard critic toward Landry and for good reason, but I also give credit where it’s due and given what Landry had to work with yesterday he did a great job. It was his best performance to date. He earned that win and the “atta-boys” after bringing the team down field in over time to win the game. That come-from-behind win will go a long way in building his and the team’s confidence in him.

  • popsiclesticks

    You shouldn’t really have any faith in your backup QB to win games against top NFL teams. Matt Moore is a really good backup QB. Would you have faith in him after yesterday? You guys realize that good QBs generally aren’t backups, right? Matt McGloin is starting for the 5 seed.

  • popsiclesticks

    Should we expect Phil Rivers to play better against the worst team in the NFL? Should we have expected Ben Roethlisberger and co to play better in the first matchup? The Bills shut the Patriots out at home after that 3-0 start. Maybe they should have expected better?

  • popsiclesticks

    Yeah, I mean, when you’ve got DeMarcus Ayers, Cobi Hamilton and an offensive line that’s just getting walked through regularly, you’ve gotta put up a statement game if you want to be a clear backup QB in this league.

  • popsiclesticks

    Same. It was an entertaining game and I really didn’t care all that much if they won or lost. Those games are great!

  • popsiclesticks

    He owned Joe Thomas last year and whipped Solder. Yet against regular guys he barely gets any penetration at any point. It’s weird.

  • popsiclesticks

    No idea why Shazier was out there so much. If there’s one guy on defense they really need for the playoff run, I think he’s the guy.

  • popsiclesticks

    I think he’s agreeing with you and doing so with sarcasm.

  • popsiclesticks

    I think they were just basically out of DL. I wanted to rest Matthews as well but you really are shorthanded in the NFL roster-wise. I think they should expand the rosters similar to how baseball does it.

  • popsiclesticks

    Yeah, I don’t understand why so many people have a problem with this. I hope they didn’t spend any more than 10 minutes gameplanning for Cleveland.

  • popsiclesticks

    I’m usually with you but I thought his whining there was funny and endearing. Wasn’t being a drama queen and that was almost a game-losing bad call.

  • popsiclesticks

    I think they changed the rule on that recently and it should have been offsetting, but I may be wrong.

  • popsiclesticks

    Talib is such a good player but he’s just gotta do stuff like that. He’s like a mini Burfict in that regard. Overshadows how good those guys truly are.

  • popsiclesticks

    I agree with you and have thought the same but I’m 100% against Talib on this one. I mean you could say the same thing about Polamalu’s flowing hair.

  • popsiclesticks

    Exactly. Imagine how much they don’t beat the Bengals by last year if VW plays and Shazier sits.

  • Conserv_58

    Let’s maintain an assemblance of balance here.

    The Steelers’ pathetic defensive effort made the Browns look better than they are. I absolutely despise watching how bad the tackling is in the NFL and watching the Steelers’ players using such poor techinique, taking bad angles, trying to arm tackle, flailing, attempting to bring down opponents with shoulder tackles and completely whiffing was infuriating! What ever happened to wrapping a guy up?! They made RGIII look like a legitimate franchize QB when he isn’t. They also allowed Crowell to gash them for 152 yards. That type of defensive effort will make them one-and-done against Miami.

  • popsiclesticks

    I’ll bet they played straight up vanilla defense and gameplanned 4 minutes for this game.

  • popsiclesticks

    Hamilton, IMO. He’s played well but he’s JAG.

  • popsiclesticks

    The line wasn’t doing any favors for anybody in that one.

  • popsiclesticks

    I’d only want a few guys on their defense, with Shelton being easy #1. I like Kirksey and obviously Collins as well. Wouldn’t even want Joe Haden at this point. But man is Shelton a house.

  • popsiclesticks

    Nothing against Cobi, but he’s replaceable. He’s like Cotchery.

  • popsiclesticks

    I agree with you 100%. They are different jobs.

  • popsiclesticks

    Well, he did take a Matt Cassel Chiefs team to 10-6 and a playoff berth.

  • Jaybird

    Good analogy-Burfict. I really hope Talib gets suspended for what he did yesterday.

  • AustinTxStillerFan

    I think one of the things I liked most about Landry’s game was his pocket awareness and movement in the pocket. I’ve been watching the highlights and I’m struck by how often he was stepping up, rolling out, etc. to extend his time in the pocket. I felt there were times he could have hit a receiver more in stride and made better throws, but I think that with Ben on a few throws almost every game too.

    IMO, it was a good performance to secure a victory by a backup QB playing with a team playing without 3 all pros.(Pouncey, AB, and Bell). I’d be happy to see Landry as the #2 next year and I’m one of those guys that wanted the door to hit him in the ass after his first couple preseasons.

  • treeher

    Sure, I give him credit. Just would rather roll the dice with another option. I don’t think the team will want to pay him anyway.

  • George Kroger

    Not defending the haters, but I think the hate comes from the fact that it always seems this team can do more. Not saying Tomlin’s teams haven’t been successful, but with the talent (especially now on Offense), the team(s) should be dominant. Same with Haley – great play calls followed by really bad ones.

    I think the hate (as some call it) is just frustration.

    Then again, I think this describes Ben as well, which is a bigger issue. This team goes as far as Ben takes them (Bell and AB notwithstanding).

    Anyway, that’s my 2 cents…

  • Rusted Out

    When your sample size of sacks is that small, you’re going to have anomalies like that.

  • Rusted Out

    Loser, anyone getting sports news from ESPN.

  • RASTA

    Winner – The 8 2016 Drafted & PS players that helped win this game for the Pittsburgh Steelers!

  • Kid-A

    What backup in the NFL can win consistently against the best teams in the conference? Seems like your bar is set too high. Ben would/will have issues with both of those teams, as well. It takes a franchise QB to win in the NFL, and even with one there are no guarantees.

  • StolenUpVotes

    I just find it amusing.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Is what it is lol

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Jimmy Garapalo has looked polished. Nick Foles is capabable. Chase Daniel has been a good backup. You can develop young qbs. You can’t sell me on him. Why not draft a rookie qb every year like Bellichek? His int should have put the Steelers down by 2 tds to the browns at home. They lucked out.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    Why not set the bar higher? If we lose Ben for a month, we are screwed. Before we could survive that with Batch or Leftwich… now we have to hope he plays well. I bet Jimmy G or Nick Foles can… wait, Garapalo has won… with lesser offensive talent in my eyes.

  • At kickoff the Hinez Field croud is always nuts regardless of the game or opponent, it was super quiet then, before the first play from scrimage. Before we could see the players “motivation.”

    The crowd wasn’t quiet because of the play on field.

  • Yes, he was a 4 year starter and his first game in ’11 he started as a G but was moved to C and the rest of his college career starts came at center.

    He lined up against Danny Shelton, who may be a Browns player but is a future star in this league.

  • Conserv_58

    I doubt that they re-sign Jarvice since his play never lived up to his first round draft status. Jarvis is what he is, an average OLB that makes the occasional plays he’s expected to make for a first round pick. The reality is no amount of coaching is going to make him become the outstanding pass rushing beast they thought he would be. That’s not Jarvice’s fault. It’s Kevin Colbert’s and his scouting staff’s fault for failing to properly evaluate him. The same can be said of Shamarko Thomas. I don’t expect to see either of them back next season.

  • Conserv_58

    Lawrence is 30 years old and is also in a contract year. He’s been playin’ and ballin’ lights out to save his spot on the team and his career. The Steelers’ have seen this scenario play out many times already, but I’m afraid unless, Lawrence accepts a lower rate to stay and finish his career with the team that drafted him he’s on his way out the door. The hard core reality is the Steelers are at the point where they need to focus on re-signing both Le’Veon Bell and Antonio Brown in the off season. That doesn’t leave room for re-signing Timmons even though the cap space will be higher. Lawrence isn’t Deebo. Nobody is.

  • Kevin artis

    I tend to agree with your assessment and if he’s not willing to sign for a modest contract to stay I would let him walk as well. But you can’t deny he’s been one of the better players over this 7 game win streak.

  • The facts:

    If not for DeAngelo Williams’ plays that kept us away from safeties, and Darrius Heyward-Bey’s long run and strip, along with Landry Jones’ intelligence during that play to fall on the ball, we would have easily lost that game. Let’s give props where they are due. Man, they are definitely due here to the players I’ve mentioned.

  • DirtDawg1964

    Chill dude. Or dudette. Didn’t mean to take your boyfriend down like that. I saw his post game numbers. I also saw the game. If memory serves me correctly he had roughly 75 yards in the first half. I also believe three of those sacks are partly on him. You could see the blitz coming. He needed to change the play or make a hot read. And he sure as heck should have got the ball out sooner than he did. He definitely had time on the last one and even the first two. Not much time, but he had time.

    He got the win and I agree he deserved it based on his play in OT and the latter part of the game. But up until then he just wasn’t that good. The fact is they were lucky to win. Just like Flacco was lucky to win against Denver in the playoffs a few years back. Did you drink the Kool-aid jump Ball Joe was “elite” based on that lucky play?

    Unlike you I take a harder look than the box score and his QB rating. I watched the game. And I don’t think he played well. But I will bend and give him a D for the first half, a B+ for the second half and an A+ for OT. He was outstanding on that drive.

    I get he played without some parts but he also played with four starting linemen, one of which is a Pro Bowler. And he played with a RB who could start for many teams. And his two prime receivers were two thirds of what Ben has had to play with for the latter part of the year. And he’s had four years in the system. He’s no newbie.

    And I’m happy to acknowledge my arm chair views. Just like yours. I have an opinion. And I’m as entitled to it as you are yours. And just because yours is different doesn’t mean mine is invalid. I’m raising points with a critical eye. Others have raised different points with their own critical eye. I see their point. I see yours. So chill. We’re all friends here.

  • RASTA

    Trade both Jones’ to the Browns at the end of the Super Bowl win for one of their plethora of juicy draft picks…

  • Brendon Glad

    Add another winner: Mike Tomlin. I criticize him more than most people do, but he’s kinda shoved it down my throat this year…and I’m ALL FOR IT! And I think every Steelers fan appreciates that he didn’t “go old school” and run Ben, LB, AB, MP, and JH out there just to “show everyone that we play to win each game”.
    We FINALLY will get to see at least 1 playoff game with all 5 of those guys playing (knock on wood). But even if something weird happens between now and Sunday, Tomlin did his part. And I appreciate it.

  • Brendon Glad

    Yeah, that McCullers probably gives everyone nightmares…(on both sides).
    And what a WEIRD situation this NT situation involves. McCullers vs Hargrave probably keeps even a genius like John Mitchell up at night. It’s about as contrasting of a competition as it was when Willie Parker was competing with Jerome Bettis at RB. It’s over my head, for sure, on this McCullers Hargrave thing. And I don’t lack confidence in myself; but I have zero idea who will be the better Steeler. And I have zero idea who will be the better Pro.
    It almost seems like both will end up as major factors somewhere else in a 4-3 defense (where Hargrave strives towards Warren Sapp…and McCullers moves down the line and strives for Ed Too Tall Jones). But I hope I’m wrong, and Butler and Mitchell figure out how to make them work in Pittsburgh. They flash far too often to ever lose hope easily.

  • Conserv_58

    No, you don’t take a harder look at the team than I do. I am fully aware of his history with the team. I also am very critical of all aspects of what we see on the field. I am also willing to admit when I may have misjudged a player’s abilities. Up until Sunday I had no confidence in Landry’s ability to lead this team to a victory. He proved me wrong. He displayed the one thing that most good QB’s have and that is he never gets rattled. We don’t see that wide eyed, deer-in-the-headlights look. He has a steady, cool and calm demeaner in the pocket which, more often than not, allows for better decision making. Of course he could have done better, but all things considered, he put forth his best performance. He certainly quieted many of his critics, me included and I couldn’t be happier.

    There is no question that up until the Browns’ game he had no body of work to give fans a reason to have confidence in him to step in and lead the team to a victory. What we witnessed Sunday was Landry’s break out performance, his best game since being drafted. He absolutely deserves to be applauded for his effort. It is for that reason and more why I take issue with the ridiculous notion that it was a meaningless game. The only thing meaningless about it was the team’s standing in the playoffs.

  • Petherson Silveira

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  • DirtDawg1964

    I still have little confidence in him but you are right in that he stayed calm and delivered when it mattered most. He deserves credit for that. And Alex’s sack breakdown illustrates he wasn’t to blame for the sacks like I thought he was so I take those comments back.

    I also get he’s a back up. And as back ups go, he is okay. Better than Vick, that’s for sure. Still not trusting him to win the games that matter though. But I wouldn’t be offended if he was signed again.

  • LucasY59

    I agree better = more expensive, and he played well enough at the end, but the until around the third qtr I would say he was the main reason they were losing