QB Coach Randy Fichtner Watching Patrick Mahomes At Pro Day (Important Update)

The Pittsburgh Steelers aren’t sending Mike Tomlin or Kevin Colbert to Texas Tech but QB coach Randy Fichtner is reportedly in attendance, according to a blurb sent out by Tony Pauline of Draft Analyst. 

Mahomes is drawing a big crowd today with some important names showing up to watch him throw.

It seems the New York Giants, also searching for a soon-to-be replacement for their franchise QB, have a strong level of interest.

Mahomes, who has drawn some Ben Roethlisberger comparisons, had a great junior season, throwing for over 5000 yards and 41 touchdowns. He has a remarkable arm and ability to keep the play alive with his mobility, similar to Roethlisberger.

But without Colbert or Tomlin in-person, it’s hard to imagine the Steelers being a serious candidate to draft him even if he was available at 30th overall. Tomlin is at Tennessee today. Colbert’s whereabouts aren’t known. For what it’s worth, they did meet with Mahomes at the NFL Combine.

Opinions on Mahomes are mixed ranging from being the best quarterback in this draft to being only the third or fourth best prospect. The Steelers are bringing in one QB for a visit so far, Cal’s Davis Webb.

Check out our scouting report on him below and click here to visit our pro day tracker, which we’ve been updating throughout the circuit.

2017 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes

UPDATE: Roster Watch is reporting the Steelers are scheduling a private workout with Mahomes.

They’ve noted Fichtner was the first person to meet with Mahomes and his family following the workout. And here’s an example of him throwing the ball from his 25 into the end zone.

It didn’t seem like the Steelers had a ton of interest by just sending Fichtner but assuming Tomlin and/or Colbert show up to the workout, this is a game changer.

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  • T3xassteelers

    YESSSSS THIS makes me happy to see! I find it so cool cause my class is right next to the stadium and they’re all here!

  • T3xassteelers

    Though, I don’t think he makes it to 30 so I don’t think it matters, but still cool for me 🙂

    Also.. Might be a nice UDFA that goes here as well.. Names Tyler Scalzi. He put up 37 reps at 225 and 36 in vertical and a 10-6 broad jump. He made an OBJ catch earlier in the year that looked in but ref called it out. We don’t use TEs much so his stats are hardly anything. Looks like Riggins from friday Night Lights the TV show if anyones seen that haha

  • Steelers12

    dont draft any qbs before 6th round if any is drafted at all

  • WreckIess

    Slim chance, but if he’s there in the 2nd I’d pull the trigger.

  • T3xassteelers

    Steelers have private workout with him next week per Rosterwatch.

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    Drafting a QB outside the top two rounds is a massive waste of a pick. I don’t think Pittsburgh should draft one at all.

  • Steelers12

    i agree but some people seem hell bent on drafting one

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    If Pittsburgh’s talent evaluation finds a Ben replacement in the top two rounds, I’m fine with them pulling the trigger. Would I prefer they got an edge rusher or CB? Yes. But I would understand the need for a plan behind Ben. But if they draft a QB outside of the top two rounds? No thanks. We don’t need another Landry Jones. Or another Zach Mettenberger.

  • Steelers12

    that is what im saying i just don’t see a franchise QB in this draft

  • pittsburghjoe

    Do you really want to know the key to get Ben play for another 3 years and maybe linger for 5? Draft a QB in the first round. I bet he would make Favre’s exit look like a quick departure.

  • Josh Gustad

    This tells me Pittsburgh is not super interested in Mahomes considering they went to see Tennessee’s pro day instead. The again, it could be that there are more prospects at the Tennessee pro day. I just think if the Steelers were ever serious about a player, especially at the QB position, that the “head honchos” would be present.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    One of those people is Art Rooney (the Steelers OWNER) so you’d better brace yourself.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    BOOM

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    Who went to see Landry Jones on his pro day?

  • Steelers12

    i know unfortunatly

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Joe –

    That may be the first time I’ve heard someone make that point. And it’s a very interesting thought to consider. Ben is known to be a little sensitive, especially when it comes to the issue of loyalty. But he is also extremely competitive. This is HIS team. And I’d love nothing more than to see a fire lit underneath him for the next 2-3 years.

  • LucasY59

    37 reps is impressive for a TE (better than almost all the OL on the bench)

  • Steel Realist PAul

    For sure, Mahomes is in play at pick 30.

  • Biggie

    Out of this class only Ok with getting a QB maybe late if it is to upgrade our depth. I really don’t see the future in any of these guys this year. The answer will come next year in my opinion. Mahomes has alot of development to do, due to bad habits. He does not read defense all that well is a big concern. He can extend plays but alot of times that is due to the fact he misread the play. He’s got a higher ceiling than L. Jones but not sure how high.

  • george

    True but Art Rooney isn’t Jerry Jones or Al Davis. I think if Colbert and the coaching staff say there’s no franchise QBs there he wouldn’t push the issue.

  • J Jones

    Doesnt read defenses that well, holds on to the ball too long, and his fundamentals need serious work. Sounds like Ben right now. Id take it

  • T3xassteelers

    SUPER excited to see that! Once again , don’t think he does make it to 30 but maybe if he does slip to that.. who knows? I don’t get all the anti QB hate! I get it, we’re close to a SB but Ben is also near the very end, I don’t wanna be caught with our pants down with no QB ready to succeed Ben!

  • T3xassteelers

    Yeah! He’s only 235 pounds too. Dude is athletic! We didn’t use him too much asides from FB and some trick plays haha. He’s a beast though

  • RobE

    But he did say fix the secondary and Artie was the pick last year.

  • RickM

    I can’t stand people stubborn in the face of meaningful facts lol (myself included). Last night before your earlier comment was made, I would have said “it’s likely” the Steelers are drafting a QB later in the draft as there’s too much smoke. But as I said, I viewed it as impossible that it would be a 1st-rounder as you don’t invest in the ‘3-4 year future’ when a SB is nearby with some upgrades.

    But I do think the private workout with Mahomes is a game-changer and it verifies that you were right; they could pull the trigger at 30. I still think they go OLB, but I am now asking myself ‘has Ben told them he is retiring and they are delaying the announcement until after the draft’. Or as you said last night, has he said this is his final year. I still highly doubt it, but until Ben confirms otherwise that is a possibility. As you said, they seem to be going really hard on this one and I’m starting to wonder why the urgency for something that may be four seasons away. Maybe they’ve just decided they want three years of apprenticeship. Kudos for your prediction.

  • CP72

    Private workout kills this theory.

  • steelersfan

    This comment made me throw up in my mouth a little

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    True, Art Rooney is not near as bad as Jerry or Al, but lately (since we haven’t been to the Super Bowl since 2009) Art has become much more “involved” in the Steelers operations.

    When Rooney wanted Arians gone, he suddenly retired. When Rooney felt like our defense was fading, LeBeau suddenly retired. When Rooney felt like our secondary coverage was poor, we drafted Burns and Davis. And now Rooney says he wants a QB and an edge rusher.

    Again, it’s no guarantee, but the Steelers have met with every single one of the top FIVE QB prospects. It’s not a smokescreen.

  • steelersfan

    Just out of curiosity how many QBs did the Steelers hold private workouts for last year or the year before?

  • Brian Tollini

    Stevie Wonder

  • T3xassteelers

    WOW and he ran a 4.69. SPARQ beast

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Thank you, Rick –

    That’s a very fair adjustment of opinion on your part. Most people stick stubbornly to a particular point of view, but it’s nice to see someone change their mind (at least slightly) as more information comes out.

    I think the key issue here is… How good is Pat Mahomes? How good is Deshaun Watson? How good is Davis Webb?

    Because whether Ben is retiring this year, or next year. or the year after that, you can’t whiff on a 1st round QB pick. You’ve got to be right, because you’re not just spending the pick, you’re spending 2-3 years letting him develop, to see if he will improve into a franchise level talent.

    I would be willing to bet on Mahomes and probably Trubisky. Watson and Kizer are a bit trickier for me. Obviously a lot of Steelers fans disagree with me on Mahomes, and that’s fine, but I see all the raw tools for him to be a Brett Favre type QB.

  • Josh Gustad

    Just saw the update. I like Mahomes so I’m thrilled!

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    You’re probably right. But if the Steelers really want Mahomes, and he started to slide, I think they would trade one of their 3rd round picks to leap over the Texans at 1.25.

    I realize you and I are probably the only ones not his board who would be excited about that trade, but if he becomes a top 10 NFL QB, that is a very small price to pay.

  • WB Tarleton

    So, you want to blow up the opportunity to win Super Bowls in the next three years in order to maybe have a decent QB in 2020?

    I just don’t get it…

  • T3xassteelers

    Yes! If the Steelers feel they like him that much, wouldn’t see a complaint out of me. 🙂 Going to be a stud and everyone is going to be wishing they’d have drafted him!

  • T3xassteelers

    What I don’t understand is people like you that make it sound like if we don’t get this rookie we won’t be going to the Super Bowl. We’re a Super Bowl team with or without that dude. It’s also not like we’re picking in the top 10, we’re at the bottom of the first in a very deep class. Great players will be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and I feel with that extra 3rd, it gives us flexibility to do something like that

  • T3xassteelers

    I don’t know that answer, but it feels like they’ve been mid-late round guys that we’ve met with the past few years so this is definitely new

  • T3xassteelers

    LOL this made me laugh harder than it should have

  • Sonny Saks

    1:30…..

  • george

    That’s true but I think everyone in the organization was for getting a CB in the 1st 2 rounds last year-not just Art. I don’t follow much college football so I can’t really comment on any of these QBs coming out but I have heard alot of commentors say there is no Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota this year. We have a small window before Ben retires and I really think we are an edge rusher and another CB away from another SB championship. If they do pick a QB I really HOPE he’s a franchise guy because we’ll be giving up much needed help on defense to get him.

  • Brian Tollini

    completely inappropriate, right? Haha, and I am one of Landry’s supporters

  • Kenneth Wilt

    I’m starting to get the impression that the FO knows more about Bens plans than we do. We are drafting a QB this year for sure, or at least it looks that way.

  • george

    LMFAO but probably true!

  • Steelers12

    aww man stop it LOL

  • Steelers12

    thanks for my laugh of the day

  • budabar

    Is this guy really much better than l jones,

  • george

    No sounds like Ben in his earlier years. I think he does a much better job at reading defense and getting rid of the ball now. But I’m sure with proper coaching Mahomes will develop as well. As long as he has a high football IQ that is. Maybe someone that knows more about him can shed some light on that. He has a cannon for an arm but so does Mettenburg and we all know he’s not going to develop into a franchise QB.

  • T3xassteelers

    Haha, he really is just a nice meme at this point

  • StrengthOfVictory

    Remember that Ben wasn’t supposed to start his rookie year, but Maddox got hurt. I think, ideally, the Steelers would love to have Ben’s eventual replacement learn from him (a future HOF’er) as much as possible before getting thrown into the fire.

    Fans can (I think) agree that Landry Jones is a capable backup, but he’s not the future.

  • Michael Conrad

    LMAO

  • WB Tarleton

    Let’s put it this way.

    If Mahomes plays significant snaps next season, it means Ben (and likely Landry Jones) had a long term injury and gives us virtually zero chance of going to the Super Bowl. The BEST case scenario is that he holds a clipboard all season and two or more seasons after.

    Burns was chosen 25th (“bottom of the first”) last draft and contributed a great deal to our season. We have gaping holes on D in the CB and edge positions. Even TE is a huge question mark. When your window closes on a franchise QB and you are inches away from a championship, you get him players to help pull the wagon, not people who will only sit on the wagon and be pulled.

    Finding Zach Mettenberger’s replacement, which is all he will ever be as long as Ben remains, in the first round does nothing to pull that wagon.

    And your last two sentences are not even coherent. In one, you imply that using the first pick on a QB is no big deal because it is just a late first rounder. You then talk about all of the great players we can get in the second, third, and the comp pick to make up for it. Well, if the draft is so deep, we should be able to get a really good player who will help us in the next three years at 30.

  • Ike Evans

    What may the draft look like if they take Pat at 30? Hmmmmm

    1. Patrick Mahomes QB Texas Tech
    2. T.J. Watt Edge Wisconsin
    3. Cameron Sutton CB Tennessee
    3. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
    4. Josh Jones S NC State
    5. Carlos Watkins DE/DT Clemson
    6. T.J. Logan RB North Carolina
    7. Javancy Jones OLB Jackson State

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    I bet that pro day was lit! 😂😂😂
    #parttimelover

  • T3xassteelers

    No, I understand that. Personally, I’m biased as I go to Tech, but I also think we need to think about the future now. We don’t know how long Ben has, what if this is his last year? What if he only plays 2 more?

    It’s a good argument, though. They could go a number of ways. Just for me, I would love to not have to worry about the future for when Ben goes. I think this draft is deep enough to be able to draft a QB like Mahomes in the first.

    But yeah i know the 2 kind of collided lol, it made sense in my head! More like saying we don’t have to spend a super high pick on him where all the blue chip prospects are and the players available at 30 aren’t those blue chip guys.

  • Uh-oh. Well, let’s prepare ourselves.

  • This actually looks pretty good, all things considered, though I’d much rather have Melifonwu in the first, then a QB in the fourth.

    But do you really think Watt will be around in the second? Seems like his name alone will take him off the board earlier in the second.

  • agreed

    As much as I hate the words, the writing is on the wall.

    The only thing that gives me a little pause is Tomlin’s comment about “sharpening the sword when it comes to QB evaluations” perhaps meaning that they’re going to start a flurry of QB scouting as a practice run for the years ahead. Maybe trying to see how good they are at evaluating.

  • NW86

    Let’s not fool ourselves, none of us really has any idea what the Steelers plans are. They might have legit interest in Mahomes at 30, or it could all be a smokescreen. If one of those top-drafting teams like the Browns, 49ers, or Jets pass on QB in the 1st round, then they are looking at Mahomes, maybe they will feel a need to trade up from early 2nd to 1.30 to get him, and the Steelers pick up another pick out of it. The Steelers always do a great job at playing their hands close to the vest, and we won’t know any more until April 27th.

  • RickM

    My likely guess is that they know Ben is playing this year, but there are no guarantees after that. It’ll be year by year and they are protecting themselves. If they take a guy in this draft, he can apprentice with Ben for 1-3 years, however long BB plays.

    I have few demands for the new guy other than he start his career 13-0 with 6 game-winning drives and 5 come-from-behind victories lol. Would love to get another good one with our first swing, Landry not included of course.

  • RickM

    You realize Roehlisberger, as a rookie, started 13-0 with 5 game-winning late drives. Right?

  • Shane Mitchell

    Obviously we are serious about some QBs but another advantage to looking serious about certain QBs is our position at 30, other teams that might want a QB actually view taking one early in the second round as worse than trading up into the end of the first round for one, because with the 1st round pick designation they get the 5th year option.

    So at pick 30 we are in an attractive position for other teams to want to move up to that pick and make a deal to draft a QB.

  • Dshoff

    BINGO. That’s what I am hoping. That some desperate team trades into our spot to pick a qb and we move back 5 or 6 picks and pick up another 3rd rounder.

  • Brian Tollini

    I just think for us to actually have a shot at Mahomes we would have to move up….which is something we can not afford to do (unless Ben is retiring now, which I highly doubt).

  • Sdale

    From an arm talent and extending plays standpoint he is. Will he be as good right now at getting through his reads/progression? I doubt it. I think most people that are looking at this guy are looking at upside and know he’ll take a couple years…but he’s got skills you can’t teach.

  • Sdale

    I laughed so hard people are staring at me in the coffee shop I’m at. Thanks for the laugh.

  • The Truth

    Huh? So wasting an early pick on non-franchise QBs is ok, but using a late pick on one of the same QBs is not ok?

    All of the QBs in this draft are no better than Jones.

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    What I’m saying is that I trust the talent evaluation of the Steelers front office more than some Joe Schmo on the internet, no offense. Teams rarely hit on ‘project’ QBs in the later rounds, so I don’t want Pittsburgh to draft one of them. I don’t see the talent at the top of the draft either, but I’m just some dude, what do I know?

  • The Truth

    Winston?

  • The Truth

    Are the Steelers truly stupid enough to waste a pick on a QB in the first round?

  • J Jones

    Lol, mission accomplished.

  • The Truth

    I don’t. Remember the Kordell debacle? Or the wasted pick on a RB when they picked Mendenhall? Or how about the painfully bad Jarvis Jones?

    I hear you on getting good QBs in early rounds. The problem this draft is there are no good QBs. Picking one early would be forcing it. It would be a panic move, IMO.

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    You can’t cherry pick a few bad picks and call it poor talent evaluation. Nobody hits 100% of the time. Ever heard of Ben Roethlisberger? Le’Veon Bell? Antonio Brown? David DeCastro? Troy Polamalu? Etc.

  • Ike Evans

    Youre probably right honestly.

  • Brian Tollini

    The value of trading down this year….

    47: R2P15
    CB CHIDOBE AWUZIE
    COLORADO
    62: R2P30
    EDGE DEREK RIVERS
    YOUNGSTOWN STATE
    94: R3P30
    S MARCUS MAYE
    FLORIDA
    99: R3P35
    TE ADAM SHAHEEN
    ASHLAND
    105: R3P41
    WR CHAD HANSEN
    CALIFORNIA
    112: R4P5
    DE DAWUANE SMOOT
    ILLINOIS
    135: R4P28
    CB DAMONTAE KAZEE
    SAN DIEGO STATE
    141: R4P34
    RB WAYNE GALLMAN
    CLEMSON
    173: R5P29
    CB JOURDAN LEWIS
    MICHIGAN
    213: R6P29
    LB JOSH HARVEY-CLEMONS
    LOUISVILLE
    248: R7P30
    EDGE JAVANCY JONES
    JACKSON STATE

    TRADES
    TRADE PARTNER:
    LA RAMS
    SENT:
    ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
    RECEIVED:
    ROUND: 2 PICK: 5
    ROUND: 4 PICK: 5
    ROUND: 4 PICK: 34
    TRADE PARTNER:
    BALTIMORE RAVENS
    SENT:
    ROUND: 2 PICK: 5
    RECEIVED:
    ROUND: 2 PICK: 15
    ROUND: 3 PICK: 35

  • Ike Evans

    I think alot of guys are gonna get pushed down in this draft

  • Luke Edgerley

    whether the steelers are in fact interested or playing opossum it still is good business. It could facilitate a pick, a trade down or just coax someone else into taking him and allowing a more favored player to drop . Lying and poker runs rampant this time of year so just enjoy the ride.

  • AndyR34

    There is approximately zero (0) chance the Steelers trade down from a first round pick. You guys always talk about this but it isn’t going to happen. I don’t get why you even discuss it?

  • Steel Your Face

    This Kool-Aid is tasting delicious…!

  • RickM

    Agree. Colbert and Tomlin have had 10 drafts together and they have not moved up or down once in the 1st round. I guess there’s a first time for everything, but they seem uninterested in working the board in that round.

    I think they usually get their pick in so fast there is no chance to consider a phone call from another team. Personally, I would always sit there for 8 minutes or so. Who knows what attractive last-minute offers might be made. When you rush up the card, you eliminate a potential opportunity.

  • Jay Brenner

    Again the the only QB I want is Sam Darnold of USC. Draft him so we get the rights to him when he comes out. Like the Celtics did with Larry Bird . I hope this is possible. Alex Please get back to me and let me know. Ben will be hear for at least 2 more years. It would be perfect.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    It’s not stupid if they find their guy. Look we’re not going to get a stud olb at 30… there’s only seven or eight teams looking for quarterbacks right now … if the Steelers are high on this kid, and he could be the third or fourth quarterback taken, then make the move . I don’t care what people say about HoFer Ben, the Steelers scored the same amount of points as the bills. Ben gets hurt they’re not scoring 30 a game like he was gloating about pre-season. Did you ever think that the brain trust of the Steelers might just say Ben is on the downside of his career. This is a deep draft… they can find talent in the second and third round

  • Steeler Fanatic

    I think Ben is done after the 2018 season.

  • Jaybird

    Oh no , say it ain’t so! I’m not looking forward to life with Ben .

  • Jaybird

    The front office knows more about EVERYTHING football than we do !
    But yes I think Ben is closer to the end than I first thought.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    good insight

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Sadly, I think you are correct.

  • francesco

    This must be the first negative thing you ever said about the Steelers.

  • francesco

    So you have come to agree that Ben had lost his fire.

  • francesco

    with or without?

  • SilverSteel

    I would not be hating that draft. That would seem like a best case scenario for sure.

  • SilverSteel

    Now that’s funny…because it’s true… 🙂

  • Steeler-Drew

    SSS, always respect your opinion. You obviously have a pretty good handle on the draft prospects. I personally have not dug that deep this year as of yet. One of my questions to you is what are the chances any of these 5 top prospects make to late 3rd round. I can see a scenario where the Steelers use that extra 3rd round pick on a QB. My second question would be what are the odds one of these QBs will be the BPA when it’s their turn to pick in the first and second rounds. I realize the QB position carries more value but with all of the top end talent at CB, OLB, S, and TE how could they pass on a prospect who is clearly better that fills a position of need. I respect the Rooney factor but for an organization who prided themselves on not reaching for needs it could end up being a colossal mistake.

  • Steeler-Drew

    Agree, their pick is literally done within seconds. If they are going to take a risk I would rather see them trade up to get a special player they covert at a key position than risk selecting a QB at 30.

  • Jaybird

    Without. Typo.

  • mokhkw

    Drafting any TT QB is a waste of a pick.

  • Brendon Glad

    Just cuz the Patriots can waste fairly valuable draft picks on QB’s who never will sniff a SB run in Pats gear (O’Connell, Mallett, Garapolo(sp?) …doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.
    Until Ben officially tells management of his plans (and the Rooneys and Colbert should be pleading with him every year about giving a decent notice for his retirement plans), then the Steelers need to just occasionally draft a qb late, and hope they find a diamond in the rough. And in the meantime, work on the other parts of the team that need serious work…(i.e. CB and OLB…with their premium draft picks).

  • mokhkw

    Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah both said that Mahomes didn’t make any plays from within the system but by ad-libbing which he isn’t athletic enough to do in the NFL. Think Tebow & Manziel coming out and how they struggled to do the same things at the NFL level.

    He’s got bust written all over him, just like every TexTech QB before him.

    Drafting this guy early would be a huge mistake, especially when you see who will be available next season.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Drew –

    1) From what I’m hearing (which comes from a variety of odd sources) Trubisky, Kizer, Mahomes, Watson, will all be gone by the time the Steelers pick in the 2nd round. There is a good chance Webb will be gone as well. Kaaya (Miami) is the one QB who might be there at the end of round 3 (although I personally have Peterson (Pitt) above him in my rankings).

    The reason for this is not their “consensus” ratings but their “outlier” ratings. Meaning (for example) 20 out of the 32 teams may rate these guys as 2nd round prospects. But the 12 teams who rate them as first rounders are the 12 QB needy teams, and they are each are more than willing to spend a 1st rounder (or certainly early to mid 2nd rounder) on any one of them. Thus the expression, “It just takes one team.”

    2) As far as the BPA at 1.30, as you mentioned, different positions have different values, just like different prospects have different values. The last few years, I have noticed a trend. The positions of: DT, ILB, OG tend to slip in the 1st round). QB, CB, LT are getting over-drafted recently and I expect that trend to continue. Surprisingly, I think WR is slipping just slightly, and I think FS/SS is rising (probably due to the increase in sub packages).

    Taking all that into account, I believe this year, the best player available at 1.30 will be a CB. Remember last year when there were 5 fast, tall, long CB’s (and Artie Burns was the last one to be picked at 1.25)? This year there are literally 8 CB’s who you could argue have 1st round talent, and 6 of them are six feet tall. Plus there are 2 more CB’s (who got injured at their pro days) that would’ve been 1st rounders as well (who will probably get drafted in the 2nd round). To get that caliber of CB at pick 1.30 in unheard-of in most years.

    As far as edge rushers go, there are 3 or 4 really good ones who should go off the board in the first 20 picks. Then there are a buttload of other guys who are all rated as somewhere between late 1st and mid 2nd round prospects. They all have a couple good strengths. And they all have a couple glaring weaknesses. Just ask this Steelers board who will be the best edge rusher available at 1.30 and you’ll get 6 different names, evenly dispersed amongst the fan base.

    If you ask most scouts, they will tell you this is a weak QB class compared to other years. But many times those same scouts are dead wrong.

    2012 was supposedly a very strong QB draft class. It gave us Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannenhill, Brandon Weeden (all in the 1st round). Only one of those has amounted to anything. Meanwhile Kirk Cousins was rated as a 2nd rounder that year and he might turn out to be the best of the bunch (or at least 2nd best).

    2011 was supposed to be strong. It gave us Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder (all in the first 8 picks). Only one of those amounted to anything.

    Now, a lot of fans may disagree with me on this next statement, but this year, I truly believe, that any one of the top 4 QB’s will be viewed as the BPA at 1.30 (BY SOME TEAMS). The question is, are the Steelers one of those teams?

    Colbert went to UNC’s pro day to see Trubisky. Colbert went to Clemson’s pro day to see Watson (and Tankersley). Todd Haley went to Notre Dame’s pro day to see Kizer (because Colbert was stuck at Ohio St., as usual). And Randy Fitchner went to Texas Tech’s pro day to see Mahomes (while the rest of the crew was tied up in Tennessee to see Barnett and Tankersley) but the scheduled Mahomes for a personal visit to Pittsburgh.

    So you tell me if the Steelers are interested? And assuming the Steelers know these guys will be gone by pick 2.30, you tell me if they are willing to pull the trigger at pick 1.30?… I think the answer is YES to both questions.

  • Steeler-Drew

    Thanks for the lengthy response and info SSS.

    The draft is going to be interesting given it can go in a lot of different directions.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Lol. That’s a good one

  • RickM

    I wouldn’t but once they start working out potential first rounders, anything becomed possible.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    WB –

    The points you just made are all correct. You’re not wrong. But you’re missing some very important counter points.

    Over the course of his career, Ben has averaged 14 games per season. The last two years he has played 12 games and 14 games (which would’ve been less if not for the bye). You have to assume he could miss 3 or 4 games again this coming year, right? That’s the difference in making the playoffs or not. That’s the difference in getting home field advantage or not. We can’t just give those games away.

    I believe a guy like Pat Mahomes will win us those games. Even if it’s only two games. That’s worth it for THIS year. Give Ben home field advantage throughout the playoffs and we can beat the Pats. Go to Foxboro and that task becomes very very difficult. (I know because I was there at that game.)

    What if Ben gets hurt and goes out for the year like Romo did? It doesn’t matter how many edge rushers or CB’s you draft, we’re not winning the Super Bowl with Landry Jones. But if you draft a rookie like Mahomes (with all our surrounding pieces) at least you’ve got a shot. Look at Dallas this year with Dak Prescott. Look at Russell Wilson a few years back as a rookie. Look at Big Ben as a rookie. All 3 of those teams were very close.

    But perhaps the biggest counter point is this… You are assuming if we don’t draft an OLB in the 1st round we won’t get a good one. You are assuming if we don’t draft a CB in the 2nd round we won’t get a good one. That is incorrect on both counts. This year is the deepest OLB + CB pools we’ve seen in a decade.

    if we went: 1.30 QB + 2.30 OLB + 3.30 CB we would still get two VERY good defensive players (in the 2nd and 3rd rounds) who could contribute THIS year. The same could not be said for QB’s. There are really only about 4 guys who could lead us to victory this year. The rest are rated very very low.

    Finally, you are assuming Ben is going to play for 3 more years. I believe that is highly unlikely. There are many people who think this will be Ben’s final year. If that is the case, we would rather plan for 2018 and 2019 right now, and make a run with an elite rookie in those years, like the Cowboys did with Prescott this past year.

    Now if you don’t think Mahomes is a franchise caliber QB, that’s fine, a lot of people don’t. But if he is, he not only helps us win those 3 or 4 games this year, but also keeps our window open for another 3 or 4 years (or 10 years) starting immediately in 2018. Remember Ben almost won the Super Bowl his rookie year. And he did win it his 2nd year.

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  • The Truth

    The Steelers won’t be getting a stud QB. No teams will get one in this draft. These QBs are 4th+ round talents, IMO. There is no point in drafting a QB that high unless they know he is going to be a franchise QB instead of a shot in the dark. OLB, ILB, S, TE and CB are far bigger needs.

  • The Truth

    I wasn’t cherry picking. I wasn’t about to list every flop.

    BR – a higher touted QB and a serious need for the Steelers at the time. QB is not that important at this time. No reason to waste picks on mediocre QBs in the first round.

    Bell – 2nd round pick who was worth the value.

    DeCastro – 1st round grade who filled a need

    Brown – 6th round pick who was worth the value

    Polamalu – 1st round blue chipper. Are you comparing Polamalu to Mahomes?

    The point is none of these QBs are first round material. They are reaches. You don’t reach for a position that isn’t one the higher positional needs. Seriously, do you think any of these QBs are going to be franchise QBs?

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    I don’t know if there are any franchise QBs in the draft that’s my point. I’m just some dude watching videos, reading articles, and listening to analysts. I’m not at these kids’ pro days. I’m not interviewing them, I’m not bringing them in for a private workout. So I don’t know if any of them are worth the pick. But I trust Colbert and Co.

  • DoctorNoah

    If he is available at 1.30, we take him and pray for a Favre-Rodgers. Decent EDGE available in second and third rounds

  • DoctorNoah

    Btw – I think he’s off the board when we draft.

  • RickM

    Agree. I don’t think they’ll go QB as the top ones will be gone by 30, including Mahomes. This is going to test Colbert as he had a known franchise QB fall into his lap in 2004. If he’s seriously considering Kaaya and Davis – and I’m sure he is – he’s off to a bad start.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    The team will not draft a guy unless they think he is it. Mahomes size, talent and success can’t be questioned. Russ Wilson and Dak Prescott are first round talents found in the third round. Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder but in hindsight was worth a late first. And our pick at 30 is who? A safety. Peppers? OLBs with issues like Lawson or Mckinney (sic). They could have solidified the corner spot in free agency with Ryan, Mudderlyn, Kilpatrick.

  • Steve Johnson

    I think the Steelers are doing their due dilligence. They are starting to really make plans for life after #7, as they should.

  • Steve Johnson

    If they select a QB at #30, then they reached for one. Maybe #7 did tell them 2017 will be his last year. Like I’ve said, I think he always has been a drama queen. Regardless if he retires or not, there are no Franchise QB’s in this year’s draft. It would be Ludicrous to pass up a CB or OLB at #30 if a quality player is still there. The weakest area on Defense? OLB/CB without a doubt. Now, they would be stupid to pass on one, not often will they be in a position to draft a quality CB at #30.

  • Matt Manzo

    Is a private workout different from a visit? Does it count against the 30?

  • Joe Main

    does he have highlights?

  • T3xassteelers

    Honestly don’t think so. He’s such an unknown I didn’t know who he was until he made a few catches (couldnt find stats on him, but he probably had 10 catches or so for about 150-200 yards or so). From what I’ve heard he’s played everything; LB, FB, TE.. Even returned kicks. He was a true jack of all trades. We didn’t use him much for I have no idea lol, but we don’t use TEs all that much. He was a walk on and apparently was a state champion in wrestling in HS.

    He made a few huge 30 yard plays this season and as I said above he made a CRAZY 1 handed catch that didn’t count (though, I 100% think it was in, but it was only like 5 yards lol).

    But.. Not often you see a 6’4″ 250 lb. TE that runs 4.69, 37 bench reps (more than any player at the combine), 10-6 broad jump and 36 inch vertical.. Could be a SERIOUS diamond in the rough.

  • T3xassteelers

    Apparently had met with the Cards, Browns, Chargers, Cards, Saints and Bears because of this one workout LOL.

    This dude may get drafted now.. But if he sneaks to UDFA or 6th-7th round, he’d be a FUN project to have.

  • WB Tarleton

    Point One-If Ben gets hurt for anything more than 3-4 games, we are screwed. If that happens, Mahomes will not be the guy. Look up nearly any scouting report of him. He has played in a video game offense and lacks all of the mechanics to play in a pro style offense. He is the ultimate “potential” pick, who has a very high ceiling and a very low floor. This is not Dak or Ben as a rookie. Mahomes is not NFL ready.

    You stated: “But perhaps the biggest counter point is this… You are assuming if we don’t draft an OLB in the 1st round we won’t get a good one. You are assuming if we don’t draft a CB in the 2nd round we won’t get a good one. That is incorrect on both counts. This year is the deepest OLB + CB pools we’ve seen in a decade.”

    That is called a straw man.

    What I DID say is that we do not need clipboard holders to get us over the top. An edge player, CB, TE, backup RB, or even a double dip in one of those position groups over the first three rounds will all do more to get us over the hump than Mahomes, who will not have a chance to be even the second string guy for the next 1-2 years. The best player we chose (most likely to be the first round guy) needs to helps us today, not years down the road.

    You stated: “Finally, you are assuming Ben is going to play for 3 more years. I believe that is highly unlikely. There are many people who think this will be Ben’s final year.”

    Who of any significance? Please quote and provide a link to any Steelers beat writer, coach, etc., not some national guy who writes the same article every year about us being in “cap hell” even when we are not. And, for the sake of argument, let’s assume he does retire after 2017. So what? Mahomes is not winning us a Super Bowl in 2018. He will be keeping Randy Fichtner busy.

    You stated: “Remember Ben almost won the Super Bowl his rookie year. And he did win it his 2nd year.”

    Again, not a relevant comparison. Ben came into the league onto a team that looked to win 20-17 with a great D and an offensive philosophy (at least with Ben behind center) of having your QB throw as little as possible. His first couple of seasons, the broadcasts would always put up his Win/Loss record when he threw less than 25 passes and more than 25. The less he threw, the better we did. You are not winning too many NFL games these days throwing 22 passes.

  • Garrett Hunt

    Thanks for making that comment. My mind went to the same place when I heard that. Tomlin is often very literal with his choice of words. Sharpening the sword indicates that this is just in preparation for the future.

  • Joe Main

    is there a video of the catch? What game was it in?

  • T3xassteelers

    Ahhh.. I saw it live so it’s going to come from my head but iirc I think it was against OU. Couldnt find a video though 🙁