2017 Draft Analyst Three Round Mock Draft: Steelers Take RB in Second Round

Since we lean on Draft Analyst quite a bit to get us through the Pro Day circuit, it’s fair to give them a shout when Tony Pauline rolled out his three round mock draft yesterday. He gives explanations for each pick in the first round though kept things brief for Pittsburgh.

In the first round, he has the Steelers selecting UCLA OLB Takkarist McKinley at 30.

“The Steelers have had a lot of success with this type of pass rusher.”

It’s not really clear what he means by “this type,” though McKinley is generally regarded as a power guy, which I guess would be a similar mold to James Harrison or LaMarr Woodley.

Admittedly, McKinley hasn’t gotten enough buzz from us on this site. I think several of us are “down,” on him but team is bringing him in for a pre-draft visit, putting him into the convo with Carl Lawson and TJ Watt. The Steelers, however, weren’t at his Pro Day, which as we’ve told you, is a bad sign for him being the pick.

If you’re wondering, Haason Reddick, Kevin King, and Patrick Mahomes were all off the board by the time the Steelers were on the Pauline clock.

Pittsburgh surprised in the second round by taking Tennessee running back Alvin Kamara. He’s a bigger back at 214 pounds who runs with good pad level and showed explosion at the Combine but a back feels a round too early knowing Le’Veon Bell still isn’t coming off the field very often.

In the third, Pauline has the Steelers taking DL Demarcus Walker with the 94th pick. A tweener who isn’t a great fit in the Steelers’ scheme, he’ll likely play with his hand down and be apart of the crowded defensive line. He weighed in at 6’3/5 280 at the Combine. He did have a sensational 2016 season, recording 21.5 TFL and 16 sacks while being named ACC Defensive Player of the Year. Good player, questionable fit.

And at 105, the Steelers go with a WR, Eastern Washington’s Cooper Kupp. Kupp was dominant at the FCS level and possesses good size but there are question marks about his ability to separate at the next level.

The secondary isn’t addressed within the first four picks, which would be a surprise – and disappointment – for Pittsburgh. Again, check out the whole mock, which we’ll link again here. 

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  • VaDave

    If we are going running back, give me that kid from Toledo.

  • The Tony

    At least we didn’t draft a quarterback

  • disqus_WrRvUyG2DA

    The steelers should only draft defense if you ask me. Our offense is fine. If you want to draft offensive depth doit late in the draft. Im fine with even taking 2 defensive pass rushers. One of them will work.

  • WreckIess

    I really don’t think that guys outside of Pittsburgh know how to draft for Pittsburgh. I

  • pittsburghjoe

    Dave, a lot of the simulators have him off the board by round three. Only Perine left. The Toledo kid is not a second round talent. It may be pretty dry round 3 for RBs

  • RickM

    There is no chance the Steelers take a 2nd round RB to sit behind Bell. And there is also no chance they take both a RB and WR before any of CB, QB and ILB.

    As for McKinney, the team has not taken a USC player since 2003 and as you say they didn’t have anyone at his Pro Day. I respect the talent evaluation, but he seems really unlikely based on the Steelers’ draft trends.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    a de a dl wr and a rb in the first 3 rounds? not happening.

  • pittsburghjoe

    No corner backs either.

  • pittsburghjoe

    you said that dirty word, qb

  • WreckIess

    Mckinley is from UCLA and he has a visit coming up soon so there’s some interest there.

  • VaDave

    Maybe so, but the kid can play. As for round designation, IMO it’s more about the competition he went against than his talent. As for this mock , unless we have an inkling of Bell being suspended again, with the defensive needs we have, I’d be shocked at a RD 2 RB. But what do I know, then again, about 99% of these mocks are going to be wrong too.

  • Michael James

    I can’t describe how much I would hate this draft.

    1) I really don’t know why there was even a hype to begin with. McKinley has a great motor, that’s it. He’s even more raw than Dupree was and he’s stiff as a board. In addition, it’s not like he’s a super athlete. The combine showed that he’s an ok athlete, nothing more.

    2) Kamara is a good RB, but we’ve more serious needs (CB…) to adress, before we pick a backup for Bell, who won’t even see the field much. RB is a pick for rounds 4-6 in my book (maybe the 3rd round compensatory, but not higher).

    3) Walker…I don’t even know where to begin with. He’s had a really good college career, nobody can deny that. The point is, he’s exactly the type of player, whose transition to the NFL will be extremely difficult. Most of the time he won because of hustling or inside rushes/stunts. He simply cannot win the edge. In a way he’s extremely similar to Jarvis Jones, even his piss poor bench press number at the combine brings up memories of Jones. I’ll just leave this scouting report from Zierlein here, it’s exactly what I saw, too:

    “Doesn’t have the juice or hips to consistently bend the edge as a pro rusher. Needs two-way goes to do his best pass rush work. Moves well, but lacks suddenness and play speed is average. Level of play greatly impacted by fatigue level.
    Walker’s sack totals are impressive, but he’s not the type of “early win” sack artist that generally post those types of numbers. He’s a base end with power to hold up at the point, but better suited to reduce inside as interior rusher on passing downs. Walker lacks the desired size and physical traits teams look for off the edge; a move to three-technique isn’t out of the question.”

  • Jay Hallauer

    Talk about a mock I absolutely hate.

  • The Tony

    Question round 1:

    On the board is Jarrad Davis, Obi Melifonwu, Charles Harris, Marlon Humphrey, Takk McKinley, Corey Davis

    Who do the Steelers draft?

  • Brian Tollini

    I like Kamara but other than that I wouldn’t be too happy about this stinkfest.

  • Brian Tollini

    Yes X 100

  • Brian Tollini

    For value, Corey Davis, even though it isn’t a big need.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Obi or Davis in the first. Best Olb in the second. If you wait past the first, there will be no good way to address the middle of the field on 3rd down. I’m leaning towards Obi because he is also a d back. We still have MLB support on first and second.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Luxury pick. no way!

  • RickM

    Thanks. More coffee needed.

  • WreckIess

    I’d say Charles Harris because he not only fits the most pressing need, but he’s the furthest along of all those players.

  • Josh Gustad

    Man that’s just turrible.
    -Charles Barkley

  • RickM

    Lol. Well it would be easier to close our eyes to it. But the team, and Ben, have made it impossible sigh. I guess we’re due. 13-16 years from the same guy beats the norm. I just hope it’s the 16.

  • Steelers12

    agree

  • capehouse

    What West coast Pro Days have Colbert or Tomlin been to the last few years? You keep mentioning it’s the kiss of death for prospects if either or both aren’t at their Pro Days but I can’t seem to remember those two making trips out West.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    but not in the 2nd

  • Shannon Stephenson

    If I took off 2 days from work to hear those names called I would call up my job and say I was sorry and would work on that Sunday.

  • Guest12

    Unless Jarrad Davis falls into the 3rd. A lot of mixed mocks on where he will go, some think he will fall because of the injury from last season. I haven’t seen many mocks or analyst that have him going in the 1st. Most things I’ve seen has him going in the late 2nd or anywhere in the 3rd.

  • Guest12

    I wonder if there is inside knowledge on what our plans are. I’ve seen a lot of mocks that has us going offensive on at least 2 of our first 4 picks. If we went TE and WR, I don’t think that would be too bad, but a RB in the first 3 rounds for us is pointless.

  • RickM

    I’ll let smarter guys answer as to whether they went for any at all. But they clearly don’t favor the western part of the country in Round 1 or 2. Colbert and Tomlin have had 20 first and second round picks together and the only guy selected who played out west was DeCastro. And I think he sort of fell into their laps by falling in the draft.

  • budabar

    This 3 rounder would set us back 10 years we could actually get by without visiting these 2 positions entirely- this draft is loaded in this teams weak areas and we would be complete fools to not take advantage of that opportunity

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Demarcus Walker is one of my favorite “day 2” players in the Draft. I don’t get why so many here are as down on him as they are. He definitely has some warts right now, but that’s why he isn’t a 1st rounder. He also has some eye popping production in the ACC and has made a living being disruptive in the opponent’s backfield. He could clearly bring some versatility and pass rush to the DL and would be a steal in the 3rd in my opinion.

  • Jollyrob68

    No need to go to Takk’s Pro day he had surgery afee combine.
    If Alvin Kamala is still on the board in rd 2 they better run that card up. He’s a Levon Bell type rb and as we have seen Bell hasn’t stayed healthy.
    I expect The Steelers to take a Wr or TE in the 3rd but also a CB or Safety. I’ve read somewhere that Steelers like Walker and think of him as a Lamar Woodley type olb. Putting his hand in the dirt and being able to rushing the Passer isn’t a bad thing for a 3rd rd pick.

  • Jollyrob68

    He wasn’t at his pro day he had surgery so that isn’t relevant. No need to go see him but that also means they might not like Fabian Moreau.

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    Idiotic mock draft for the Steelers, for all the reasons mentioned. No Pro Day visit for McKinley, too early for a RB, a poor-fit DL in the third, and a questionable receiver with our comp. pick? Come on. I took a look at this guy’s mock and this is what I came up with for Pittsburgh:

    1(30): DE Carl Lawson
    2(62): S Josh Jones
    3(94): CB Jalen Tabor
    3(105): TE Michael Roberts

    All players the Steelers have met with or visited their Pro Day. All positions the Steelers will realistically be targeting in the draft.

  • Jollyrob68

    If Core Davis is on the board they’ll run to podium. Value is too good and lack of wr talent is why we got destroyed in AFC Championship.
    They don’t trust Martavis Bryant nor should they until he proves them wrong.

  • Andrew

    I feel like Roberts is a stretch. He seems like a guy that hasn’t generated a lot of buzz. Way more of a day three guy.

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    He went two picks later to the Jets in this mock, and I knew we had some ties to him. But I don’t disagree with you. Who would you target at 105 with who was left in this Mock?

  • Andrew

    I’m not that high on McKinley. I like Lawson, Watt, and Rivers more. No need to grab a RB that early. Thats a day three pick to get maybe 5 carries a game (unless Bell is hurt)

  • Ni mo

    Jalen tabor ? Oh no I’ll pass on him

  • Ni mo

    Davis won’t be there

  • Ni mo

    They could take a cb in round1 in case you forgot cockrell and gay are not the best

  • John

    McKinley is from UCLA. I agree about RB. I don’t understand the constant pressure for a secondary pick. Our top two pickslastvyesr were secondary. We also have brought in a FA corner and have our second round pick from two years ago coming back from injury. They apparently see WR and QB as strong possibles given the visits. We will almost certainly draft an OLB in round one or two. If they draft RB, my guess is it will be in Rounds 3-5 and will be a change of pace guy with speed in the flat like Freeman in Atlanta.

  • RickM

    Good point.

  • RickM

    CB wasn’t near the top of my original needs list. Admittedly I have been influenced by the majority who are convinced an upgrade is necessary. I do agree with them that relying on Golson – he may not even be good enough if even healthy – is risky. As for RB, I agree that Rounds 3-5 is a far more logical prediction.

  • Lambert58

    McKinney played for UCLA.

  • Lambert58

    All good players, but I take Humphrey. Too good to pass up. Perfect for the Steelers.

  • Andrew

    That draft I would have gone:
    1. Obi Melifonwu/DB/UConn
    2. Derek Rivers/OLB/Youngstown State
    3. Jalen Tabor/CB/Florida
    3. I guess according to that draft, Roberts would make sense out of the prospects left. That draft didn’t seem all that great though.

  • Steeler-Drew

    I think the issue with Golson regardless if he plays and stays healthy is when they drafted him he was known as a good zone CB. If they truly plan to play more man to man I’m not sure how he fits into their plans given his size. Of course there are always exceptions to the height rule but tend to few and far in between. Of course they are going to mix their coverages with both man and zone but if he’s severely lacking in man coverage skills they may even decide to move on after signing Sensabaugh who has some size and apparent man coverage abilities.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Thank you, Voice of Reason!!! (I wish I could upvote this 30 times) –

    I don’t know why Steelers Depot hates this guy so much. I shouldn’t say “hate,” but they completely “dismiss” Demarcus Walker as a possibility, and it makes no sense.

    All of Steeler Nation is begging for an edge rusher who can get to the QB. And yet (for some mind boggling reason) they refuse to consider the possibility of drafting the guy who has the most sacks in ALL of college football over the last 2 years (in the ACC nonetheless). Why is this?

    In this article, Alex Kazora writes, “A tweener who isn’t a great fit in the Steelers’ scheme, he’ll likely play with his hand down and be apart of the crowded defensive line. He weighed in at 6’3/5 280 at the Combine.”

    Walker is 6’3.5″ with 33″ arms. Perfect. He weighs 280 right now, but he just ran a 4.76 forty at his pro day. Perfect. (That is faster than James Harrison or Jarvis Jones or Anthony Chickillo, by the way). Walker posted a 9’7″ broad with 20 reps and excellent agility drills. Solid. He has the best swim move in the entire draft. And a solid bull rush. And bats down passes as well as any edge prospect I’ve watched. So what’s the problem?

    Well some people would like him to be a little lighter. Okay. So have him lose 12 pounds before camp (just like Chickillo did). That puts him at 268. Myles Garrett weighs 272, and we’d all be pooping gold bricks to have THAT 272 pound prospect at OLB.

    Alex says he’s a “tweener”… Um… Exactly… That’s what the Steelers do! They draft undersized DE’s and convert them to OLB! And as further proof, the Steelers even met with Walker at the combine!

    In the immortal words of Mugata (from Zoolander) “I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!”

  • Alex Kozora

    For Round One only. I haven’t looked beyond that. Obviously, the deeper you go, the more likely they’re choosing guys from schools where Tomlin/Colbert weren’t at. Odds naturally become higher.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Well thanks. Actually, I originally thought the same thing about Walker dropping a little weight and converting to OLB in our D, but most of the stuff I’m reading has him on the DL, which may require him to add a little weight to be a 5 tech DE in our scheme. I don’t know who’s right, but I do know the man has proven his ability to be a disruptive force with his production.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    1) I agree with you on Takk.

    2) I sort of agree on Kamara. We need a back up / short yardage RB not a full time starter. And yes, CB is a much bigger need.

    3) I completely disagree on Walker. He has a great bull rush and the best swim move in the entire draft (better than Myles Garrett or Solomon Thomas). That’s HOW he posted 16 sacks last year and 9 sacks the year before that (and this is in the ACC). If he had the hips to bend, he’d be a top 10 pick.

    The comparison with Jarvis Jones tells me you haven’t watched a lot of tape on Walker. They are on different planets as far as football ability. Walker has a grown man’s body and will translate just fine to the NFL. And the Steelers met with him at the combine so he’s on their radar as well as mine.

  • Steeler Fanatic

    This is the worst mock I’ve seen. Running back at 2? A d lineman? And a first rounder that is below 5 guys the team could likely take. Smh. Just trade back and pick up another third.

  • AndyR34

    That wasn’t the question! Although I agree with the likelihood of your statement, you are merely being argumentative…not adding to the discussionl

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    When you’re picking at 1.30 and 2.30 you have to be a little creative, and look for things that other teams might not see. (Example, Artie Burns.)

    If you have the perfect edge prospect, already packaged and ready to go, with no warts or flaws, he’s usually gone in the top 10 picks.

    That’s why the Steelers draft so many undersized DE “conversion” projects.

  • AndyR34

    Great, great question! I would take one of the first two due to our troubles w/TE’s, etc…I think the Steelers would pick Harris or Humphrey (but Humphrey may be the BPA)…I can understand any argument for Davis…I cannot understand any argument for Takk.

  • Michael James

    We already had the discussion about Walker and I have to politely disagree here (completely respect your opinion however).
    I’ve watched nearly all of the games and in my eyes his traits won’t translate well to the NFL, certainly not as an edge rusher. I see him as an rotational pass-rushing 3-tech only.
    In a few years we will see who was right in this matter 😉

  • capehouse

    Yeah I know you mean for rd 1 but what I’m asking is what West coast Pro Days do Colbert or Tomlin ever go to?

  • capehouse

    Yeah pretty much what I’m getting at. All these trends we talk about and a big one seems to be that the West coast is off limits for some reason as far as Pro Days and early draft picks.

  • Applebite

    I like this mock, in that, somebody is thinking outside the box. Those looking at Walker and shaking their heads, aren’t thinking about the fact, Walker could actually be a 3-4 DE. He does have the body type to pull it off. he’d make a nice back up and would bring additional pressure on passing downs. Walker, Hargrave, Flanked by Tuitt and Heyward, that’s awesome when you think carefully.

    I have no issues with Kamara as a pick. I just don’t see him being an option, as somebody is going to take him much sooner, I’m about sure of that much. He’s very unlikely to see the 3rd rd. But he is a good RB. He checks the boxes that the Steelers seem to be looking for.

    And some people are simply down on Takk Mac. He’s raw, but you see what you see of him. It’s there, the question is, who can bring it out, and allow him to grow into a star? I like this guy. He has nothing to lose. He has the right attitude to succeed in this league. if he’s the pick, I won’t complain……provided Obi Melifonwu isn’t on the board. Where’s the smiley face emoticon?

  • Rocksolid20

    I like Mack from South Florida and he can be had round 3 or 4 I feel .

  • Rocksolid20

    Obi

  • Rocksolid20

    That wasn’t the question .

  • Ni mo

    Take tabor out and put in Rasul Douglas

  • Ni mo

    He said if he’s there and I said he won’t be there that’s not argumentive , I’ll gladly take obi

  • Terrible Towlie

    Harris…his spin move is sick

  • steelburg

    I agree and that’s the guy I hope they target.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Yet another mock by somebody who knows NOTHING about what we as a team need or are about.
    Personally, I much prefer the mocks that our ‘local’ guys do – their much more intimate knowledge of our needs and methods is so much more accurate and incisive.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Yup. As I said above, beyond knowing that we need an OLB, most of these national guys have no clue so they paint us with the same brush as other teams, despite some of the unique requirements we have for our draftees (sadly I am referring to the players character).
    Agree that 2nd rd RB will not happen.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Plus they can get him ‘free’ in that they can use rd 3b or 4 to do so!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    What Tony? You mean you don’t want us to take a QB from a pedestrian QB class in like rd4 or later? 😏
    You and I are on the same page, bud!!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Said the same thing above!!

  • Biggie

    This honestly would be pretty average draft at this point. Boom/Bust in McKinley, Kamara solid back for sure, Walker who is 4-3 or 3-4 DE and an overrated WR who is not likely to adjust to the pros very well. No help at all in the secondary. This would be bad draft in the end.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Yea, I think that’s all accurate. There are really only two ways to get a 3-4 OLB…draft one, or draft a smallish athletic DE and convert him. The Steelers DE-OLB conversion projects worked really well in the past when there were only a few 3-4 teams. We basically had our pick of the tweeners. Now, it’s significantly more difficult since many more teams run it. To your point, being creative might be more important than ever.

    Another thing to consider is how our scheme has changed to a more hybrid look over the years with the trend toward sub-packages. These days. it’s not uncommon to see 2, 3 or 4 D-linemen, depending on the situation. It also changed the duties of our LBs to some extent. The point is these trends may be changing what a prototypical DL or LB should look like. Maybe our DEs don’t absolutely have to be 6’5″ 300 every time with all of the same standard traits, and maybe our OLBs don’t have to be 6’3″ 250.

  • TrappenWeisseGuy ;

    I think his wife Pauline made the picks for Tony.

  • LucasY59

    It used to be that they would go rotate picks between the two sides of the ball, and last yr was way out of the norm when they went Defense 3 picks in a row to start the draft

    they have struggled with their Defensive picks (and have done well with the ones on O) in previous yrs, and because there was so much success last yr, they could do something similar this yr, it will definitely be a defense heavy draft for the team

    there are only a few offensive needs and RB is probably the highest priority, IF Bell is healthy a early rd pick wont see the field, but since Lev has not stayed healthy in any of his seasons so far, there is also a good chance a rookie could start multiple games at RB, so I somewhat agree they shouldnt take one before rd 3, but if they did I see the reason why

  • Darth Blount 47

    It’s strange, because many of these mocks are rightfully seeing our need at OLB, and addressing that accordingly with an OLB in the 1st (though often NOT the guy I’d want or take, but I digress). But then each mock seems to go a bit off of the rails with abandoning our needs in their next series of picks. I mean, I get that backup RB is actually an underrated need, so give Pauline credit for correctly observing that. And I won’t tear him up too bad on Kamara, because not only do I recognize that the 2nd round IS where he likely will go, but he’s also a player I actually like (Yay, me!).

    But I agree that I don’t think I’m willing to spend a 2nd on ANY RB NOT named a shockingly fallen, C. McCaffrey (which, there isn’t a snowballs’ chance in hell he’s there at 62). I’m not 100% against it, if there is a run on the top RB’s out of nowhere, but I doubt there would be.

    And if the idea is to go away from paying attention to our needs after OLB in the 1st, is Walker and Kupp both BPA there for us in the 3rd? I guess an argument can be made for Walker, but I agree the fit is somewhat questionable. Especially after choosing to address our pass-rushing woes with Takk at 30. This CERTAINLY is NOT the worst mock that I’ve seen for us, but it is yet another one where I like a pick or maybe two, and don’t or can’t get behind others. A classic mixed bag, and once again, more candy corn and less jolly rancher.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I like Mack except his fumble-itis.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I think Hunt will be there in the 3rd. Will he last to OUR pick in the 3rd? That is the question.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Be a shame because Moreau looked good to me when I was doing my research on him.

  • LucasY59

    I think they signed a player (Knile Davis) that is very similar to Mack so I would rather have a guy like Conner or Perine

  • Darth Blount 47

    Our OLB’s HAVE to be able to drop in coverage. Can Walker? We are not running a 4-3 scheme here, where we have guys with their hands down who rush off of the Edge 98% of the time.

  • Darth Blount 47

    But our OLB’s DO still have to have some drop ability. I get what point you were trying to make about maybe we keep certain guys on the field who are just there to rush in the more sub-package situations, but I think people balk at that without hearing or seeing that in stone. Walker is a very interesting case of not really fitting perfectly into any hole here for us, EXCEPT that he can get after the passer, which we obviously desperately need. But not big enough to be our DE, and not light enough or with dropping ability to be our classic OLB. It’s a bit of a conundrum.

  • LucasY59

    I dont hate this mock as much as some of the others I have seen, but just using other players still available at the picks I could easily take a player still on the board and have 4 picks I like much more

    1. Obi Melifonwu (elite athlete that will get on the field quickly as a sub package player, and future starter to pair with Davis)
    2. Derek Rivers (one of the best options to fill their need for a OLB, and getting him in the 2nd instead of the 1st is a much better value)
    3. Jalen Tabor (a little nervous that he fell this far, but he could be a Josh Norman type player, and would be a good fit in the Steelers scheme)
    comp. Tanoh Kpassagnon (great versatile DL that could help in sub package and rotate to get some snaps early, and would provide high quality depth so there is no drop off when he comes in to give a starter some rest)

    as far as the mock picks
    Takk is a guy I liked until I heard about his shoulder injury, I think realistically he will fall because of his health and would be a candidate for the 2nd pick like Rivers

    Kamara is a guy that would fit well in the Steelers O, and since Bell has missed games every yr so far getting a talented player is not that much of a luxury pick

    Walker is a similar player to Kpassagnon, and in the 3rd I would be ok with the pick, especially if they got a traditional OLB earlier, adding a different type of player to create pressure on the QB is a good idea

    Kupp knows how to produce and as a #2 or 3 WR in this offense would continue to have success, he might not be a great athlete, but he is a great football player (same could be said of Walker IMO)

  • Darth Blount 47

    The 2nd is where he is gonna go, so if you want him, you gotta take him there.

  • Darth Blount 47

    That’s a really good question. Half of those guys likely won’t be there, but the others may be. Tough, tough call, since you asked WHO DO the Steelers draft… And NOT who would we each pick… I think the Steelers would take Humphrey, as he’d probably be the BPA on their board, plays a position of need, and is a really good fit for our scheme.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I’d LOVE you re-mock except I’d pass on Tabor, even from what would be a shocking fall from grace. I’m not saying he’s garbage or we couldn’t get use out of him, and if you gave me those 3 other guys, I’d likely not care too much who the 4th guy was… But Tabor has REALLY struggled this off-season at every single turn. Let me go look and I’ll tell you who I’d want instead of Tabor.

  • Ni mo

    And running a 4.6 at the combine and running a 4.7 on his profit don’t help

  • Voice O’ Reason

    I agree it’s a tough call, but that’s why coaches and scouts make the big bucks. I won’t pretend to know which position he fits better, but I’m not sure he’s as limited athletically as some believe (for OLB), nor as small as some suggest (for DE). He’s about 6’4″ 280. He might have to get stronger, but that’s pretty close to a perfect size for a DE (maybe +10lbs or so).

    As far as OLB, we know he can rush the passer, as you said. Is he capable of dropping and covering? I don’t know, but I do know they said the same thing about Deebo…and he learned that skill enough to pick off a pass and win a SB. I guarantee Deebo is 280lbs and probably runs about a 5 flat in the 40. He damn near had to be life-flighted after that 99 yd run. lol.

  • Russ Stauver

    Davis could be great behind a great offensive line such as ours. The pick-up of Davis should be view as filling the need to draft one.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Oh man, Des King is STILL on the board???? Uh, yes please… I’d add him!

    (Or I’d stash Sidney Jones or roll the dice on Shaq. Griffin)

  • Darth Blount 47

    A 4.77…… That’s closer to 4.8 than 4.7… Woof!

  • Darth Blount 47

    That’s the rub, do we really want to draft another DE in the first 3 rounds? I’m not totally against it, as I’ve often wondered if a more pure pass-rushing End wouldn’t be an intriguing addition, like Tanoh Kpassagnon. I’m not Anti-Walker, especially if we were gonna mix him in and actually give him a chance to truly earn a real role somewhere.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Could Harrison drop?… Could Woodley drop?… IMO, Walker could drop into short coverage at least as good as them (especially if he lost 12 pounds).

    The other issue is what type of drop? 5 to 10 yards is fine. RB out of the backfield is fine. But we shouldn’t be asking any OLB to try and run with a WR 15+ yards down the field. That’s rarely effective.

    And remember, the Steelers run sub package a majority of the time now, so a 4-3 front is our new “normal.” (Not our “exclusive,” just our “majority.” ) And Walker will excel in that scheme due to his size and DL experience.

    The biggest thing is, we need an OLB who can get pressure. What if we draft a 1st round OLB who has a lot of skills but can’t get to the QB (like Jarvis Jones)? That would be a complete waste. People can say whatever they want about Demarcus Walker but the dude gets sacks.

  • LucasY59

    yeah I thought about Griffin, but I think Teez is ready to contribute right away and Griffin needs a bit of a development, but I wouldnt hate D.King or S.Jones either

  • Darth Blount 47

    Yes, both Harrison and Woodley could drop. That was why they were perfect for our scheme. I was looking forward to seeing Walker work out at the Combine and he did not. He had a pretty good Pro-Day it seems though. You don’t have to try to sell me on Walker. I think he’s a talented kid with very good college production.

    But my point is sound for the reason that I tried to intimate. Our D-Line is currently quite full, wouldn’t you agree? So if you are telling me that we are gonna draft a DE in the first 3 rounds who wants to keep his hand down and also not put on any more weight to play a 5 tech, I’d tell you that if I were his agent, I’d tell him to push to try to go somewhere where he can start right away on a base 4-3 team. Or at least hope for that.

    Our scheme is not a true 4-3, even in sub packages situations, because our two outside guys don’t come to the line with their hands down. Sure, we walk our OLB’s up to the line and there are then 4 guys on the line at the snap sometimes, but it is NOT a base 4-3 type of scheme. Walker IMO WOULD have to drop those 10-12 pounds you guys have intimated in order to truly be most effective playing at OLB for Pittsburgh.

    Unless, again, we had plans for Walker that included him simply being a rotational Edge rusher who even tries to slide inside occasionally. But I’m not sure how effective he’d be doing that. Or if he’s worth us spending higher-ish draft capital to secure a guy who might play 20-30% of snaps when we feel like trying to use him.

    Again, I like Walker the player, and wouldn’t be against grabbing him if we actually had a plan to use his skills effectively for us.

  • LucasY59

    4.62 official at the combine, not great but not 4.8 bad

  • LucasY59

    it would be concerning to see Tabor fall that far, but I think at that point the risk/reward is enough to take him

  • Darth Blount 47

    Yeah, perhaps attempting to improve it at the Pro-Day was a BIG mistake….

  • LucasY59

    *Des King was the #68 pick in the mock so he was not available

  • LucasY59

    I agree that Walker would be good value at pick #94 (IMO Kpassagnon would be even better, and could be taken #105) I also agree with Alex that he would not be a good fit for what the Steelers traditionally look for, not that that is really a problem, if they have already taken a traditional OLB earlier (Takk in the 1st, or preferably Rivers in the 2nd) they dont need a traditional guy, and a tweener that can do some different things would be a value (especially if it is a talented player that couldve gone a rd earlier) Walker being a sub package guy (since sub is used more than the traditional 3-4 base anyway) that can be a edge rusher in a 4 man front or kick inside and rush as a 3 tech would be a good versatile player to have, he would have issues dropping into coverage, but he isnt supposed to cover he is supposed to put pressure on the QB and he should be able to do that, play players to their strengths and improving the pass rush is a significant need

    *I swear I made a reply/comment on here already, but dont see it now??? so I made a new one

  • Big Joe

    Yeah, not a great set of selections in round 3. RB a round or two too early. Still not sure about McKinley

  • LucasY59

    missing out on Reddick by one pick and settling for Mckinley would ruin thursday night of the draft for me, especially with who was still available

  • Darth Blount 47

    Damn it, I looked over the list 3 times… too! Lol. Scouring for his name. NO CLUE how I missed it not once, not twice… Damn Jags! Okay, I’d take Montae Nicholson, and play him as a hybrid lol. But seriously, sticking with the CB only theme…

    I guess I’d have to choose between Tabor, Griffin, Myrick, Howard Wilson, or Sid Jones.

    Man, I didn’t think Jones had a good Combine at all. And an Achilles injury, woof!
    Griffin is a bit of a gamble. Tabor has had a terrible off-season. Myrick there, is a tad reach. And How. Wilson is an enigma, but could be a real sleeper.

    Can all of the pundits be so wrong about Tabor? Everyone freakin’ loves him, but I just don’t see it.

    I think I’d probably take Shaq.

  • Carl Mendelius

    What is the point in trying to guess what Colbert and Tomlin will do in the draft? I can give you my ideal draft so the Steelers can beat their nemesis NE:
    1. DE Malik McDowell
    2. CB Ahkello Witherspoon
    3a. LB Ryan Anderson
    3b. WR Malachi Dupre
    4. RB Samaje Perine

  • LucasY59

    a realistic trade would be a team moving up for a QB and after the Texans any of those teams could be potential trade partners with a QB needy team

    Seattle will stay and pick either Awuzie or King, KC will also be happy to stay put and get either of those CBs, the Cowboys could stay with Jackson or get a Edge rusher (moving close to 10 spots and out of the 1st rd is too far) the Packers will be more than happy to have Reddick fall to them at #29

    like I said the Steelers should be disappointed by just missing out one Haason, and there are some other attractive prospects available (enough of them that they should be interested in a trade)

  • LucasY59

    so Colbert calls John Fox to see if he is interested in #30, and since there is the possibility of them missing out on both the QBs by staying put they are interested, and they offer the 2nd #36 and their extra 4th #117, its not a terrible offer, move 6 spots still get a good player early and get a extra pick,

    Kevin is interested but thinks he can do better (they have been thinking about possible trades since the Texans pick, because like last yr with WJIII a guy like Reddick isnt likely to make it to #30 and they have a better plan this yr instead of reaching after missing the guy they really wanted they will be open to a trade, couldve had one in 2016 and the Seattle/Denver deal has them thinking trade this yr)

    he calls John Lynch (pretty sure he can negotiate with the green GM) and lets them know the Bears are interested in a trade and offered a 4th, Lynch also has two 4th rd picks, but they would have to offer their original 4th since the extra is a comp #143 and isnt even better than the Steelers pick let alone #117, so John has to offer #109 as well as #34,

    he is nervous since this is his 1st FO job and isnt sure about the trade so he wants to call the Saints and see if they are really interested in a QB, so he tells Shanahan to call Sean Payton, and Sean tells Kyle that he thinks the idea of either of the QBs available would be a good fit to learn under Brees for a yr,

    so now the Niners are even more nervous, they brought in two Cleveland castoff QBs in the offseason and that shouldnt make anyone feel comfortable (even if they just signed a 7 yr deal) so they call Colbert back quickly and are willing to give the 2nd and 4th, Tomlin has called the Bears back while they were waiting on the Niners, and is ready to tell Fox that the Niners are now also interested in a trade and have offered a better deal, Fox is a vet coach, but he knows giving up a 2nd and 4th is a good deal for a young QB, so he is willing to up the offer to the 2nd and 3rd (#36 and #67)

    the Steelers now have a serious offer on the table, but again think they can leverage even more (since both teams have extra mid rd picks) Colbert is still on the line with Lynch and says the offer isnt good enough

  • LucasY59

    So the Steelers netted the #36 pick, #67, #111 and #117, all for moving 6 spots… It might seem like robbery, but they werent moving out of the 1st for nothing

    and for the Bears, giving up 4 picks (none of which were 1st rdrs) isnt bad for their potential franchise QB of the Future, compared to them needing to trade (multiple 1sts) with Cleveland the following yr for the #1 overall (to get ahead of the Jets, Jags, Bills and whoever else that will be in need of a QB next yr) *and dont forget the trade also allows them their choice of either Watson or Kizer not them settling for whichever is still left

  • LucasY59

    and what would the Steelers be able to get in this scenario…????
    pick #36

  • Ace

    Takk a power guy? Not sure on that. Kamara in the second too early and not needed. Complete waste of a pick, which is why I’m surprised some people are guaranteeing the PS take a RB in the first 3 rounds. Isn’t there more pressing needs than a 4 snap per game player? Walker could be interesting in the 3rd, only if he can go the Chikkilo route and drop 20 lbs. I think hes a pretty good player. Kupp is not someone I would like at all. Not their style I don’t think.

  • Dshoff

    Alex, I didn’t know where to ask you this question so I hope this is ok. Do you think that Dupree is working on his lean in to the OT when trying to get to the qb? This was by far his biggest problem when rushing the passer. He would so easily get pushed passed the qb. When Harrison leans into an OT, he is leaning SO much that if the OT would back up quickly, Harrison would probably fall straight to the ground. I personally think that this “lean” is a mindset, yet I’ve heard others say that either you can lean like that or you can’t. What do you think?

  • MC

    Gimme Harris over McKinley for sure.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    I understand but it is just too early for a HB in the 2nd.

  • Brian Tollini

    Well, I like him in the 2nd….just not for us, haha