Colbert Has Message For Fans Questioning Steelers’ Decision To Draft Long Snapper

If you’re still one of several fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers who is still questioning the team’s decision to draft a long snapper in the sixth-round over the weekend, general manager Kevin Colbert has a message for you.

“Those same people that are asking, I hope they remember that if we’re lining up for a game-winning field goal in the Super Bowl and we want to never take that snap for granted,” Colbert said during a Tuesday interview on 93.7 The Fan when questioned about the team selecting long snapper Colin Holba in the sixth-round of the 2017 NFL Draft.

Colbert went on to explain why the team decided to select Holba, who played his college football at Louisville and was considered the best at his position by many analysts ahead of this year’s draft.

“In college football, today, most of the long snappers are 6-1, 215-220-pounds and most of them are walk-ons because the rules in college football allow for – you can get away with a smaller guy because they’re not involved as much in the protection,” said Colbert. “They have different rules protecting them. So, when a guy comes along that is of that size and not only the ability to snap, but the ability to also hold up in protection, both as a punt snapper and a long snapper, really, it’s our obligation to make sure that we have that position covered.”

Colbert continued on with his reason for drafting a long snapper this year.

“Greg Warren has been solid as a rock for us for a lot of years, but he’s 35 years old and you have to prepare for his eventual decline as well,” Colbert said. “So, if you can provide competition for a very critical position, you want to do that as soon as possible in that situation. The other factor is, the snapper, holder, kicker, they all have to work in unison and you like that group to be working sooner than later so that if we make a switch they’ve been together. So, really, at any point in any draft you’re always looking to add players that make sense at that point and to us, a snapper in that situation made sense more than any other position.”

Colbert was then asked if veteran long snapper Greg Warren is currently healthy.

“Yes, yes,” Colbert said. “And again, he’s 35 years old. It’s no secret he’s in a declining state as we all are as we get older. So, you always worry about players hitting the wall. We talk about it all the time and not that you can predict that, but it is more predictable when guys are older. So, if you have a chance to add a guy, you really have to do it.

“New England did it two years ago in the fifth-round. I forget which team took a kid named Landis last year in the sixth-round. So, it’s always, it’s there, and these guys that come along that have, and I hate to say in the old days, because I’m old, but position players used to do the snapping. Bruce Matthews, for instance. And those days have disappeared because what’s going on in college football. So, when you see a guy come along that is of this nature and you have the opportunity to get them, I think you’re almost obligated to do it.”

Colbert was later asked if he’d be able to tell if Warren had hit that proverbially wall during training camp practices.

“Yeah, I think you could tell once you start into the coverage-phase of things which would be then,” Colbert said. “But again, if that unit’s not working together, you’re always at risk of losing that continuity. That’s why we have a preference to have the punter to be the holder. I’ve been in situations where the backup quarterback was the holder and it was always unnerving.

“We had a great kicker in Detroit named Jason Hanson and we tried to use David Krieg as a holder one year and Jason, for as good as he was, he never got comfortable working with David because they didn’t work in practice. It was always a rushed kind of thing at the end and those guys, it doesn’t seem like they do a lot, but like I said, if they have to hit a game-winner, it all starts with the snap. So, really, they’re specialists just like the kickers and punters and we value them.”

We’ll have to wait several more months to find out if Holba can unseat Warren, who has been the team’s long snapper since 2005. For all we know, Holba but turn out to be the Antonio Brown of long snappers.

  • Joey

    That is a good answer. One I can accept.

  • Applebite

    It’s not about the player…it’s about where you took him, Kevin.
    It’s really something that’s hard to swallow, when you consider who was there in the 6th, that could have helped the team. But you know what? I’m going to let this one slide, and assume that I’m wrong on this.

  • Joseph Shaw

    I’m certainly in a declining state–New York.

    I’m also falling apart physically.

  • falconsaftey43

    Look, it’s not exciting. But I get it. If he’s your LS for the next 10 seasons, it was a really good pick.

  • Paul Brannigan

    Baloney. There’s no problem with adding a long snapper to the team. The issue is using a DRAFT PICK to do so. You’re never going to convince me that this guy wouldn’t have been available as an undrafted free agent after the draft was over. Wasted Pick.

  • Stephen

    I’m in your club on both

  • John Noh

    I guess the message to us was “suck it up, Buttercup”.

  • Jeff McNeill

    After the draft perhaps he would have preferred to sign for some other team.

  • The Truth

    Who was there in the 6th worth taking? I like the pick better than some of the earlier ones.

  • Dennis Wright

    The nitpicking with this is crazy. It’s ridiculous that Colbert has to defend the pick to this degree. Look if they saw a prospect on their board that they thought was more valuable, even given the circumstances with Warren, you would have to think they would have taken them. So in this instance they saw a perceived need and weighed the value and went with the need. I don’t see a problem with that. Look at what happened with Suisham and the 4 kicker fiasco. The Steelers were very fortunate to get Boswell when they did. We can say all we want that you can just get a guy off the street but you never know.

  • george

    Well, now we have two training camp battles. One for all WRs not called AB, Martavis, or JuJu and one for the starting LS position.

  • The Truth

    They wasted a 4th round draft pick for a backup QB. It’s a 6th rounder. I am more concerned with the first 4 rounds when they draft.

  • The Truth

    I am also in a declining state–California.

  • Joseph Shaw

    I’m sometimes in the state of Exhaustion.

    Occasionally, far too occasionally, a state of Bliss.

    And, all too often, the state of Confusion.

  • Zib Hammad

    Feel free to leave, we have plenty of people and don’t mind losing a whiner.

  • Leek

    I wonder if fans of other teams are as hyper-analytical over a 6th round draft pick like the steelers fan base. We act like all 7-8 draft picks will be the difference between us winning the super bowl.

  • LucasY59

    and what will he say when they cut Holba before camp ends? the team has brought in other guys before and Warren beats them out no problem

    I would really hope this doesnt turn into a wasted pick and he is actually better than what the team already has (but what they have is pretty good, Greg might be an older player, but he does his job well)

    I could understand the pick better if Warren retired or was struggling but that doesnt seem to be the case

  • Kevin Artis

    I don’t believe he is head-above all the other long snappers in the draft or someone you can sign off the street. Using a pick for a LS IMO is ridiculous. It’s an important position, yeah, put now he has to make the roster because if he doesn’t (and Warren hits the fountain of youth button) it’s going to look worst than it did on Saturday.

  • srdan

    people are acting like we took Janikowski or the kicker for the Bucs. It’s late in the draft. And like he said, it’s not like the college game has an abundance at this position. It’s not a position you create a player at. I can accept that answer.

  • Jeff McNeill

    Sixth round picks generally have about a 10% chance of becoming a starter. I bet he is closer to 50%.

  • Gerald Brown

    Most 6th round picks don’t even make the roster, so what super star were you looking at?

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Perfectly logical. Now can somebody ask him about taking a 3rd string QB in the 4th round?

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Where would you have taken him? Rd7?

  • FATCAT716

    Don’t forget the corners

  • Kevin artis

    That’s true but any other position has practice squad eligibility.

  • afrazier9

    I just feel this guy could have been an undrafted sign for us instead of a draft pick i mean really was another team going to trade up for him. I think we could have took an iLB instead we have no depth their. After Shazier and I’m not still shore VW who else beside Dirty reds are you even excited about. Especialy how injury prone Shazier is what do we do then. Also i’m still not sold on picking a project QB in the fourth exactly where we took bum jones. I just hope this does turn out to be a complete waste of a pick, and if you are going to throw NE into the convoy about what they drafted they are always at the top of the league so they can afford to make that decision.

  • Danielsteelstrong81

    Thats too low holbas only competition is 35yr old warren

  • Steel B

    All the words in the world can not explain away how dumb it was to draft a LS.

  • Colo Lean Guy

    No one for sure…perhaps the next Antonio Brown or Tom Brady.

  • Kevin Artis

    I can live with the quarterback pick. At least we are delving into the market for a quarterback early hoping we hit the next “Dak”. I would rather do it now instead of when we have to or we are in the top 10 draft order.

  • Jacob

    Couch GM’s like to say, “he should have taken this other guy in the 6th round.” But only Colbert & company have done personal interviews with players, and know whether or not the person(s) they interviewed have the mentality and character the team is looking for, or if there are red flags in the interview that would cause the Steelers to move them off the draft board.

  • FATCAT716

    So are we as far as being at the top of the league

  • FATCAT716

    I like the pick because he has a chance to be around for a long time

  • Jeff Papiernik

    I find it funny that he thinks a 35 year old LS can be declining as rapidly as say a 35 year old WR. Let’s do some math here. Long snappers play how many snaps a game? Maybe 10 at most? And let’s say they have to exert themselves for 6 seconds each time (quite generous imo). That’s less than 1 minute of exertion for a whole game. 16 games a year, plus playoffs. So hell, let’s just call it 20 minutes. You’re telling me a guy who’s 35 years old is going to be “hitting a wall” when he exerts himself for 20 minutes a year? Give me a break.

  • Colo Lean Guy

    I almost always give Colbert the benefit of the doubt, but I’m struggling to do so on this one. Yes, LS is very important, but it comes to to probabilities. What are the increased odds of a bad snap costing a game with a UDFA snapper vs Holba? (Holba could miss some as well.) It’s a very small percentage. You gave up a chance (chance) to add another 6th round gem like Vince Williams…or Antonio Brown…or Tom Brady for this tiny decrease in the odds of a bad snap.

  • FATCAT716

    Also I think he will beat out Jones sooner or later

  • FATCAT716

    His reasoning was simple, there was only one or two in this draft & he wanted to be sure he got the best one versus hoping you can get one thru UDFA where you are not guaranteed

  • FATCAT716

    Yes. That’s why he hasn’t been signed to a long term contract the past few years

  • Joey

    lol yeah, who knows maybe why our STs have been maligned in the past is because comrade Warren’s coverage skills have diminished..

  • D.j. Reynolds

    If this was a concern, they should have had a guy from the last year or two stashed on the PS getting better and bigger (if that is a concern as he says). Seems to me that poor planning led to wasting a 6th rounder – though, I also guess there are much worse problems in the grand scheme of things (i.e., early round busts).

  • Andrew

    Is it bad that I want to buy a Holba jersey

  • SoCal Steeler

    Yes, but what happens if he doesn’t beat out Warren? Are you going to carry a LS on the practice squad? I’m fine with it if he does show the ability and beats out Warren. But if not?…..i.e. I would have taken a developmental coverage ILB type or hybrid S-LB at that spot. Javancy Jones ILB or Josh Harvey-Clemons S were both available.

  • PaeperCup

    I like Greg Warren…as much as you can like a Long Snapper, but the drafting of Holba has to put him right in there. Don’t have a camp battle, don’t let Warren beat out Holba, then you lost yourself a draft pick just like that.

    Should have got him in the 7th.

  • Stuck in Ravens country

    I hope so. A high school QB could beat out Jones.

  • Boots

    So if he doesn’t beat out Warren, which he almost has to now doesn’t he, then what? Does he develop an injury to go on IR, because as dumbfounded as people are at drafting one, carrying one on the PS makes even less sense and he could still get poached.

  • popsiclesticks

    For years I’ve watched this team lose a game or two for playoff seeding whenever Ben goes down because backup QB is a “wasted” position to draft.

  • blue

    Colbert says the same thing no matter who the pick is……DE Treyvon Hester was the pick in the 6th rd, he’ll be in the league for 10 years….thanks for blowing it Kev.

  • popsiclesticks

    I don’t like the pick, but you don’t just get to pick your UDFA’s. Other teams would probably go after him and he’d get to choose his best fit.

  • RASTA

    So, in the last two drafts teams have actually drafted LS’s, but they weren’t going to do it this year? (no one would have had to trade up for him, as every other team in the league still had a draft pick before our next one)

    On top of that, we were going to get a Top 4 ILB on our team in what was basically a 7th Round pick? Wake up dude.

    All of the previous LS competition they brought in were all undrafted FA’s and none of them were good enough to unseat our 12-year undrafted stud Warren – who btw can’t run well at all anymore (2 ACL surgeries and 35 years old will do that to you). Great friggin pick at #213, yes, the 213th player picked! (which was later than both the last two LS’s drafted)

    Also a couple points shown on some of the awesome SD articles you must have missed:
    He’s a bigger guy (6’4, 248 pounds)
    In college football, today, most of the long snappers are 6-1, 215-220-pounds
    Holba has great and rare length for the position with 33 1/4 inch arms
    He was almost certain to get drafted and is a bigger guy than the usual prospect
    Holba (a snapper in the Senior Bowl) as the best overall prospect with the highest upside
    Belicheat took a LS in the fifth round
    the Steelers and the scouts of other teams thinks he is one of the best long snapper prospects in recent years
    … I feel he beats out Warren just barely, and Warren is then just one phone call away all season long in case of injury…just like maybe Gay and Hey-Bey this season also

    Steelers going to the Super Bowl!

  • popsiclesticks

    I personally am tired of watching them lose a few games in the playoff seedings every time Ben goes down for a stretch. It’s been happening since 2005. Backup QB is a valuable spot on this roster, IMO.

    Do you think Brian Allen is going to be starting out the gate? He’s gonna be 3rd string too.

  • steeltown

    I like the pick and I hope to one day own a Holba jersey. We as fans covet certain players personally, but the FO knows ahat they need. Sounds like Warren has become a liability in coverage.

  • Jim

    Draft picks are overvalued, plain and simple. The only team that seems to realize this? New England. They have realized that the draft, at best, is a slightly educated crapshoot in predicting players translating from college to the pros. They spend more time than any other team scouting end of roster and PS players that are ALREADY IN THE NFL and playing against NFL caliber players. That’s why they constantly fleece poorly run organizations.

    The safest pick in the 1st round this year? New England trading #32 for Brandin Cooks. The other 31 players are all pure conjecture as to how they’ll do in the league. Everyone says Myles Garrett is a slam dunk, but so was Jadaveon Clowney – wonder if Houston would like a redo on that one…

    If locking up a potential longterm starter at a position that’s not flashy, but still critical, only cost a 6th round pick then that’s good value.

  • treeher

    He’d have been gone if we waited.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Actually pretty much anytime a backup plays it’s generally a loss.
    The only time I remember a backup playing for multiple games and NOT losing is Pats last year, and Garropolo is not your typical backup.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Exactly. NOBODY should have a problem – having a LS is like tires for your car. The machine doesn’t work without them!!!

    EVERY FG and XP is started by the LS!!!!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    I would not be surprised if they did this with Warrens knowledge.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Jones is gone after his new contract expires (2years I believe). I guess it’s possible but not likely to happen in that window.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    But that’s the point – in order to play FOR REAL in that QB market you cannot half-ass it by using anything after 2nd round IMO (and, yes, I know Brady was a 6th rounder).

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Backup QB IS a valuable roster spot.
    This guy is the 3rd stringer and I doubt he will exceed Landry Jones in the next two years before LJ either leaves or is canned.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Tell Belichik how dumb it is. He used a FIFTH rd pick for a LS!!
    Or more to the point, mention this again once the snaps sail over the holder or punters head!!!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    The LS covers punt returns also. Warren, as solid as he has been, is 35 and has had multiple knee operations!!

  • Voice O’ Reason

    People still complaining so vociferously about using a (very late) 6th round pick on a LS? It is such a completely irrelevant, unimportant thing when one intelligently considers all of the factors. I’m embarrassed for these folks for not knowing better, for being so quick to criticize our team and for not having anything better to do.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Did you thank him for the Super Bowls too?

  • Jason

    Same couch GM’s that wanted him gone when we took Bell over Lacy. How’d that work out.

  • popsiclesticks

    Probably, but I’d argue that’s because many are just garbage vets that hop from team to team for backup gigs. Guys like AJ McCarron and Tom Savage come in and they can beat mediocre teams for you. Put one of those guys on the Steelers two years ago after Ben got hurt in St. Louis and I think that season goes differently.

  • Jim Foles

    6-30th pick… basically a 7th.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    If he doesn’t make the 53, then the team is better for the competition he provided. In the end, they’d essentially be in the same position whether they cut Holba, or whether they cut Javancy Jones or Josh Harvey-Clemons, in training camp, except that the odds of Holba beating out Warren are probably much better than either of those other players making the team.

  • VaDave

    “Those same people that are asking, I hope they remember that if we’re lining up for a game-winning field goal in the Super Bowl and we want to never take that snap for granted,”
    It would be nice if we got to the Super Bowl to be in a position to worry about our long snapper. JMO.

  • Roger G

    Relax dude let people vent.

  • mem359

    NE had Brady and Garropolo (2nd round pick), and they still used a 3rd last year on Brissett.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    It seems to me that getting the best one in college (and maybe the best one in the last couple of years) for such a late pick, while your current long snapper is still around and healthy, is an example of excellent planning.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Shouldn’t the people venting over a long snapper relax?

  • RickM

    The issue for me is the seeming need (from some) to like all draft picks. I’ve said I’m excited by Watt if he stays healthy. I think WR was not the best ‘needs’ pick at 62 but I like JuJu as a receiver. People have criticized Sutton but I’ve said I’ll keep an open mind. I’ve said I like Allen’s physicality. But it’s heresy – according to some – to criticize management for any pick – even a LS. That’s kind of sad.

    As for Holba, even though Warren seems to have had a perfect season last year with snaps, they’re pretty much bound to go with the younger guy. As you say, he would be poached from the PS pretty quickly.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    And the point is? NE probably anticipated Brady retiring and so took that action.

  • mem359

    1) Warren was younger when he beat out those other players. That was then… this is now.
    2) The fans usually support letting a veteran leave a year too soon, rather than risk keeping him around a year too long. Seems like a lot of people are assuming that Warren has no decline this year. (Probably spoiled by James Harrison.)

  • D.j. Reynolds

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one!

  • Kevin artis

    Maybe we strike gold with a later round pick because I would hate to see this site if we are picking in the top of each round.

  • Pitfan0513

    Me too, Illinois. 😔 Lol

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Same on the top pick thing.
    GB took Rogers with pick 24 in the first rd, so ‘late’ 1st round.
    So unfortunately we will likely have to use a first. But that first can last, well, thirteen years and counting.

  • mem359

    Pointing out that NE has a HOF QB (who has not hinted about retirement like Ben has) and what looks like a solid backup/replacement with a 2nd round pick, and still felt the need to spend a 3rd on another QB.

    People make it sound like the Steelers did something outrageous, even though people are still not sold on L Jones as a backup, and a year after other people were saying the team should have taken a chance on getting a better QB like Prescott (a 4th round pick).

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Well we took LJ in the fourth I believe. If we take QB prospects in the fourth why would we expect to be anymore successful?
    I agree on the ‘career backup’ comment too.
    I don’t see LJ ever being a starter but as a backup I think he is clearly above average for backups – his record is 2-2 I believe. So, he neither hurt or helped us.

  • tequila0341

    I’m here for the long snapper death match.

  • JT

    But your argument works the other way as well. If bringing in UDFA after UDFA isn’t working, and you need to find your guy, go ahead and take the best one in the draft.

  • JT

    Hey, this is draft season and the Steelers Rick. Quit being so dang reasonable. No place for that here!

  • Jim Foles

    Exactly… Get the best LS.. #1 LS pick.. Warren can now retire.

  • RickM

    🙂

  • JT

    But you’re exactly right. For me:
    Love: Watt, Allen
    Like: Sutton, JuJu, Conner, Adams
    Meh: Dobbs
    Super meh: Holba

    Nothing to fire Colbert over, or go book my Super Bowl reservation either. Ultimately the success in 2017 will be the culmination of every decision Colbert/Tomlin have made in the last few years. Not this draft class alone. So no use getting too worked up positively or negatively.

  • popsiclesticks

    Because other teams have taken successful QBs in the 4th. We’ve taken busts and good players in every round, at every position.

    Here are the 4th round QBs since 2010:

    2016
    Dak
    Connor Cook
    Cardale Jones

    2015
    Bryce Petty

    2014
    Logan Thomas
    Tom Savage

    2013
    Matt Barkley
    Ryan Nassib
    Tyler Wilson
    Landry

    2012
    Kirk Cousins

    2011
    None

    2010
    Mike Kafka

    So yeah, a lot of misses, but I’d say at least 3 or 4 of those guys will give you a chance to win a game you probably wouldn’t with a Landry type.

    In that timeframe, the Steelers have drafted:

    Jerald Hawkins
    Doran Grant
    Martavis Bryant
    Shamarko Thomas
    Landry Jones
    Alameda Ta’amu
    Cortez Allen
    Thaddeus Gibson

    So I’m glad they have Bryant (and probably Hawkins) but by and large, they have done worse with their 4th rounders than the league as a whole have done with QBs in the fourth round. Exactly one of those players in 6 years has provided a significant contribution towards winning #7. I think a decent QB would be #2 on that list if they can find one, and heck, Landry may be #2 after saving the team during the Vick season.

    Not only are most of the guys available on the FA wire scrubs, you have to pay the decent ones a significant salary, generally. These guys do it for half a mil, which is pretty big for a cap-strapped team.

  • popsiclesticks

    It stings how in they were on Dak, too. If Ben would have mused about retiring last year, you have to think he’d be a Steelers and Dallas would be spiraling.

  • popsiclesticks

    I don’t like the pick but that’s as far as I go with it. To many, it’s the latest reason to fire everybody.

  • stan

    Hey Kevin: We’re the same people who’ve seen undrafted long snappers do that very same job for years on end. Don’t try to tell us that you needed to pay such a high price to get something we’ve seen you and every team get for free.

  • popsiclesticks

    Same thing he said when he cut any other late round pick, probably.

  • popsiclesticks

    That’s how I feel about backup QB. I’d have preferred a position player but people act like the large majority of 5-7th rounders aren’t washouts in the NFL.

  • popsiclesticks

    Sure you can. There are plenty of competent QBs that went after the 2nd round. You’re not likely to find a starting anything in the 4th, really. It’s the most important spot in the game by far and that’s the way I would treat it.

  • Roger G

    They should but alas a non perfect world we live in. We all want the same thing and that is to root for our team (that would be the Steelers) all the way to and including a Super Bowl victory. So although fans may disagree on the route taken the destination is something we all find common ground in. I’ll admit I groaned when I saw the pick but I’ve come around. Some of the comments are pure comedy. Can you imagine the explosion on this blahg if this kid gets cut? Oh dear

  • popsiclesticks

    So long snappers should just be able to play until they are 50? 35 is 35 and it’s different for some than it is for others.

  • popsiclesticks

    According to this guy’s math, that’s like one surgery every 35 minutes! What a wimp!

  • popsiclesticks

    Why not? Most practice squad guys don’t amount to anything, either.

  • popsiclesticks

    I see it differently. There are a ton of armchair scouts who wonder why the Steelers are so stupid as to pass up a guy that was on their list.

  • popsiclesticks

    BREAKING: STEELERS CUT 6TH ROUNDER, SO DO LIKE HALF OF OTHER NFL TEAMS

    If you want to publicly vent, you should be able to handle some pushback. If Treyvon Hester doesn’t make it in the NFL, I’m sure this guy is going to just act like he never posted that next time he loses it over a bad pick.

  • Steve Johnson

    Ok, they don’t know when Bryant will be back in Pittsburgh? Hmm! That 2nd Rd pick is beginning to really good.

  • popsiclesticks

    They might want Mack instead of Clowney, but Clowney is an absolute monster and I’m sure they are glad they have him. They certainly picked up his 5th year option pretty quickly.

    Other teams who made safe trades: Seattle gave draft-averse New England a 1st for Deion Branch. The Raiders gave up a first for a few years of Richard Seymour. The Bears traded some firsts for safe thing Jay Cutler. The Colts gave up a first for Trent Richardson…nothing is safe.

    New England is a volume trader. They do fleece some teams but they also make a bunch of trades that don’t work out for them.

  • Michael James

    Oh come on, a 6th rounder is not a high price. Most of the 6th rounders won’t even make the initial roster. For every AB there are 500 Jordan Zumwalts. Belichick took a long-snapper in the fifth round for what it’s worth.

  • OIF3gunner

    If all the whiners left California, there wouldn’t be many people left.

  • OIF3gunner

    Same

  • Michael James

    100% this.

  • Michael James

    It’s partly right I think. The only reason NE is so aggressive in FA right now is simply because they’re ready to win now with Brady. They realize that they might have some not so good years once he’s gone, so they’re doing everything to win another SB with him. In that process they’re making the compromise of sacrificing the future after Brady.

  • Michael James

    He will, but why discuss with someone who’s clearly only here to provoke? Roger is right here, let the cryers cry…

  • stan

    A sixth rounder is more likely than not to earn a spot on an NFL roster. Obviously most don’t turn into Antonio Browns. However, many turn into Vince Williams or Jonathan Dwyer, and a Vince Williams is far more valuable than the next Greg Warren. Even a 50/50 shot at a Vince Williams is more valuable.

  • popsiclesticks

    Re-reading his post, yeah, you’re right – I read through it too fast.

  • Truth Dispensary

    They aren’t going to retain 2 Long Snappers on the roster, so it’s a wasted pick that helps an opposing club if he doesn’t unseat Warren. Not only would another club get to pick up a quality LS off the Waiver Wire, but also they got their 6th round pick that they didn’t have to use on a Long Snapper.

  • Kelly Walker

    1 question. M1, Stryker, HMMWV, 113 or something else.

  • Truth Dispensary

    I wouldn’t assume Martavis isn’t also fighting for his job. The kid has been suspended a total of 20 games in the last 2 years. Talent is great, until it’s consistently unavailable.

  • Ryan

    Yep. Read a few analysts say he’s the best LS prospect in years. Worth it.

  • Kelly Walker

    I doubt they draft this kid unless they want to replace Warren now. Another words he probably doesn’t even need to beat Warren outright just be close enough.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Well that’s what we are talking about – a STARTING QB – right?

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Hey, what can I say? He IS, after all, a LS right? LOL

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Your first sentence is a completely inaccurate statement. You quite literally just made it up.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Well, hey, maybe we will get lucky then. I mean if Dak was a hit (which I would remind you, he is only going into his second season) then why not?
    To me it just ‘felt’ like Dobbs was drafted because ‘the boss’ said so.
    I don’t want to wait til we go 4-12 to pick a QB any more than you do, so rather than using a lower pick to take a QB in a poor QB class, let’s suck it up and use a high pick to hopefully improve our chances of success.
    Sure it will be painful to do but hopefully BB keeps the team appraised of his pending retirement two years before it happens and we take action with all the resources at our disposal!
    Because no QB, no SB!!

  • popsiclesticks

    Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson are good QBs off the top of my head drafted after the 2nd round. One replaced UDFA Tony Romo.

    Then there are plenty of competent ones that I would love to have if Ben decided to retire this year. McCarron, for one. Matt Barkley types. You aren’t likely to strike gold but those are good guys to have on your roster with a chance at getting lucky and finding a future franchise QB. After looking for a bit, I’d guess you’re just as likely to miss out on your 4th round CB and OLBs.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Dak and Cousins are the only ones worth spit on that list insofar as STARTERS are concerned.
    I’ll take my chances with a higher pick when it comes to QB.
    And I didn’t suggest getting a FA QB – I agree that they are WAY overpriced.

  • Voice O’ Reason

    Exactly, man. He probably will get cut, I don’t know. However, the main points here are a) the team believed this kid offered the most value at that spot at the end of the 6th round, b) he provides competition to an historically noncompetitive position whether he makes the team or not and c) the reward outweighs the risk in the late 6th round by a mile. Simple concepts that are apparently tough for some people to grasp.

  • Thomas

    I asked my friend who is also a big steelers fan to name the linebacker who will be backing up Vince Williams this year….gave him 6 minutes to think about it…he could not…nuff said.

  • Roger G

    You see reasonable comments like yours is what brought me around to *gulp* accepting this pick. There I said it…lol

  • capehouse

    A necessary evil. I like the pick! Hope he wins the spot for the next decade.

  • Boots

    The excuse that 6th rd picks are throw away picks is bothering me too. There is no playoff run last year if not for guys like LT Walton, Ayers, McCullers, VW, and David Johnson

  • Roger G

    I agree all opinions voiced publicly are (rightfully) subject to criticism. Good, bad and ugly

  • Roger G

    Your best ability is your availability

  • Jason

    I’ll take that bet on 10 yrs. I love couch GM’s that can make ridiculous statements like this and have no repercussions, meanwhile Colbert has to be raked over the coals for every single pick. I wasn’t crazy about the long snapper pick but to say you had this can’t miss prospect pegged in the 6th is laughable.

  • nutty32

    “The Antonio Brown of long snappers?”

    I for one have my fingers crossed that Holba breaks into a jig vaguely referencing receiving oral sex after he nails a perfect snap on p.a.t.’s

  • DirtDawg1964

    The key to that is “perhaps”. But the percentages say it’s highly unlikely. So the percentages say you’re throwing a pick away if you think you can get the next Tom Brady. And throwing this pick away is what most fans are accusing the Steelers of doing. Except you need 53 to field a team and win a SB. Including punters, kickers, and long snappers.

    I won’t say I am happy with the pick but we have to stop this nonsense of believing that the anomaly is the rule when it comes to late round draft picks.

  • Matthew Marczi

    And outside linebacker. And keeping for TEs this year may not be possible, so that’s another competition.

  • Matthew Marczi

    If you actually take a look at the history of long snappers who were drafted, they don’t get taken in the seventh round. Most of the time it’s the sixth round. Sometimes it’s the fifth round. The Giants even took Zak DeOssie in the fourth round, and he’s been a really good special teams player for a really long time, actually contributing and making tackles as well, something Warren’s never really done much of.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Jim from SCI has said that PRIVATELY the Steelers are “very concerned” about Warren. He even described it as a need pick. And Bob Labriola today in his Asked and Answered said he believes there’s something more to this than competition.

  • Matthew Marczi

    It’s funny how strong a reaction people can have when they really don’t even know anything about the long snapper position or what makes a good one. I head one analyst say that the best way to tell if a long snapper is draftable is to watch one that isn’t.

  • Carl Mendelius

    To me I have no problem with the LS pick, what really bothers me is the incredible discrimination the secondary has suffered from Colbert and Tomlin: Timmons, Shazier, Jones, Dupree and now Watt, five 1st round LBs and only one 1st rounder Burns as DB in all these years. No wonder the secondary has been dragging the entire team for several years. No wonder they cannot play man coverage. No wonder the secondary is unreliable and the Pats found it a piece of cake.

  • Joe Jackson

    And.. we have pissed away some 5-6 round draft picks over players than have zero contribution to the team recently. Levi Brown, Scobee, Boykin, etc.

  • Geoffrey Benedict

    You might not believe it, but Colbert went into detail about why it is the case.

    You can choose to believe that not only are they stupid, but they know they are stupid and are lying about the college game to try and cover it up, or you could just get over it.

  • Geoffrey Benedict

    So what playoff game do you think we would have won if Kirk Cousins was our backup QB?

    Because Ben has started every playoff game since Kirk was drafted. I don’t see how you think he helps us win a Super Bowl from the bench.

  • Geoffrey Benedict

    They have to monitor things like time from snap to punt, and placement on kicks, and if decline is starting to show and you have a chance to get a good young one you do it. Like Colbert said, you don’t want to wait until Warren hits the Wall and end up trying to find someone off the street to snap for you.

  • Geoffrey Benedict

    The difference between a 6th round pick and a UDFA is the UDFA can choose to go elsewhere.

    You act like they could guarantee getting him as a UDFA. That isn’t how it works. They are free agents, if you want him you draft him. Then he can’t decide he’d rather play in a different city. You can’t just assume we’d get him in Free Agency.

  • RickM

    I couldn’t agree more. Antonio Brown is also a 6th rounder. You and I and everyone know the odds of a 6th rounder being meaningful are much lower. But the suggestion it’s a throwaway pick is just plain false.

  • John Noh

    Does Justin Gilbert count too?

  • Jim

    I get your point regarding Clowney, but I think picking up his option has more to do with them leveraging their future to win in the next 1-2 years. They did a salary dump with Brock to open up cap space and then paid heavily for Watson to try and win now (silly move IMO, and I’m a Clemson fan/alum). Clowney has a ton of upside because of his physical gifts, but how do you think Steelers fans would feel about a #1 pick getting 10.5 sacks in his first 3 seasons?

    And I agree that nothing is safe, but trading an “unknown” draft pick for a known commodity can be a safer route assuming you know what you’re doing and can evaluate talent. I don’t think anyone believes the Colts or Bears (pre-Ryan pace) know what the hell they’re doing. The Branch trade was pre-Schneider who has turned into one of the league’s best GMs.

  • Joeybaggadonuts

    What about SilverBack….he is an anomaly and only 39. Perhaps he can push Warren. They could resign him to a lifetime contract.

  • TrappenWeisseGuy ;

    The kid would have to fall on his face to not win the job imo. If he doesn’t win the job what else could he do?.

  • RickM

    I think there are a lot of guys who invest great time on the draft and some amaze me with their knowledge. The fact that these fans may like other guys doesn’t trouble me in the least. I don’t spend that amount of time and rely more on my analysis of team needs and the breakdowns that Dave, Alex and Josh generously supply.

    I’m not troubled when guys like or dislike picks. All fans want the best for the team and I don’t expect them to agree with every team decision. I don’t view them as armchair scouts; they’re fans who made their own evaluations and have different opinions. That shouldn’t be threatening to anyone.

  • Matthew Marczi

    They got lucky with Retkofsky. Twice.

  • The Truth

    It’s possible. Most 6th rounders don’t make it, but I agree that future HOFers are found in the late rounds too.

    I am fine with the pick. It may turn out that he will be the only one still on the team 5 years later.

  • The Truth

    So CA isn’t declining? You liberals get so upset and whiny.

    Are you content with the new gas tax coming in November? You do realize none of it will go toward roads?

    So if I punch you in the head and you complain it means you are a whiner, right? Then I can punch you in the head again and again to which I can say, “You are free to leave. I have plenty of other people to punch in the head”.

  • RickM

    I just find the condescension against people who don’t like players to be a bit much (as if they are know-nothings). I’m not one of draftniks, but a lot of guys put a lot of work into this and I respect their player opinions, pro or con.

    I agree Holba’s a tough one knowing how Warren is still doing the job and there were other needs. Probably could have gotten him later as well. Dobbs, yes for me too he’s not the answer and the 4th round should have been dedicated to a more meaningful need. I like Watt, but admittedly never would have drafted that injury history. I just hope it’s behind him as I think he can be a very good one if he stays healthy. Hope you’re right on Allen. We could use a late round secondary score. What a bonus that would be.

  • Joe Simko

    What happens if he can’t beat Warren out ? Do you keep two long snappers or cut a sixth round draft choice that you drafted for a tryout. Bull crap you could have signed the kid as a FA!

  • pittfan

    Can’t they put him on practice squad? I thought those were protected.

  • americanpatriot

    Now that the facts, rationale, and the story behind the story are known, I doubt many fans have a problem with the pick. It was just such an unexpected, out of the blue choice, especially since everyone thought (or hoped) the pick was going to be a TE, CB, or LB/Edge. Can’t imagine anyone outside of the draft room was thinking LS.

    I would think Colbert can understand and appreciate the fan’s angst not knowing the situation, as we can understand the FO’s decision now that we know the thinking behind it..

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Ohhhh….so thats the reason…..still hate the pick. lol

  • SoCal Steeler

    Just not sure that they would want to use a valuable P.S. spot on a LS. Maybe just because he was a draft pick. If he beats out Warren it’s a moot point anyway.

  • SoCal Steeler

    They couldn’t provide that valuable competition at LS with a UDFA? I also believe that Jones or Harvey-Clemons both would have a good chance of making the team with the lack of talented depth at those positions.
    As I mentioned in my previous post I am fine with the pick if he shows talent and beats out Warren. My whole point was them not addressing a coverage type ILB or hybrid S-LB which I believe that Mr. Brady showed that we desperately need in addition to better man coverage CB’s, which I’m hoping that we did address. Maybe, hopefully, Brian Allen can be that guy at times.

  • SoCal Steeler

    Dare to be different. I would wait until he makes the team though.

  • blue

    You will see clown.

  • Rusted Out

    Have you seen Harrison snap the ball? Biggest reason the Steelers lost to the Giants that year. Harrison is our backup long snapper. Like you said, Harrison is an anomaly. Most humans are falling out of their athletic prime by 35.

  • Rusted Out

    I’ve been saying that for years. If they didn’t get Burns and Davis last year, I’d be losing my mind. I like to think that if they were not showing as much promise as they are, that the Steelers would have drafter DB’s higher again. It’s ridiculous to neglect the secondary like that when you are in subpackage football +70% of the time. After Ike’s decline, it was ugly there for a while, and the numbers show that as well.

  • Rusted Out

    Matakevich! Ur friend isn’t much of a fan. Nuff said.

  • Al Webber

    Because one of the games the Steelers lost might have been at home rather than on the road. Lost regular season games when Ben has been out have badly affected playoff seeding.

  • Joeybaggadonuts

    You are a good fan to remember that snap….it was ment to be taken as a joke. Ala Chuck Norris. Have a good day.

  • terrygordon30

    Really? I am not sure that your statement about 6th round draft picks is true. It would be an interesting study. Anyone want to take this on?

  • OIF3gunner

    Hmmwv

  • Rusted Out

    I figured you were alluding to that… Hurts to lose a game in that fashion.

  • Mark G Hunter

    And how many NFL drafts have you ran buddy?

  • Paul Brannigan

    what the hell is your point? Do you comment on politics? How many terms have you served as President? Get a grip. The WHOLE POINT of this website, and the comments forum in particular, is to give fans an opportunity to comment and discuss all things Steelers.

  • Thomas

    I’d say that you’re average non-steelersdepot watching fan who doesn’t follow pay attention in pre-season would have no idea who that is.
    Furthermore….He is physically incapable of covering your average TE down the field. If the steelers goal is to play more man coverage this year and be able to win the games we need win…he cannot do it, and cannot be the solution to this depth issue.
    My bet is that we pick up a cap cut from another team.

  • Rusted Out

    Depends on what your definition of average is. Every person on these boards knows exactly who Matakevich is. Either way he is the guy behind Vince and Shazier whether you think he can do the job or not. I’ve got a lot of confidence in him.

  • yosemiteone

    That’s funny coming from a POS pu*sy like you Zib Crapper.
    Are you still at that dump on Ridgeview CT.

  • yosemiteone

    Zib lives in a rural Nor Cal community dominated by Republicans, He is constantly shooting of his fat trap from the safety of his keyboard. He is a lowlife bottom feeder and I have personal knowledge of his corruption at the community level.