Schefter: Steelers Not Close To Signing Bell Long-Term With Deadline Looming

The deadline for the Pittsburgh Steelers to sign running back Le’Veon Bell to a long-term contract extension is almost 24 hours away and while anything can certainly happen between now and Monday’s 4PM EST cutoff, it doesn’t appear as though the two sides are close to a deal at the time of this post.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN on Sunday, Bell is one of three players still wearing the franchise tag who are not close to consummating new long-term contract extensions with their respective teams. Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins and Los Angeles Rams cornerback Trumaine Johnson are the two other players.

Deadlines usually spur actions and so quite honestly, it’s not surprising that Bell and the Steelers have yet to work out a new long-term deal so far. However, it’s worth noting that the last time Bell’s agent, Adisa Bakari, represented a franchise tagged running back in 2012, that player, Matt Forte, ultimately signed a long-term contract extension with the Chicago Bears on the day of that year’s deadline.

Bell was issued the $12.12 million franchise tag just ahead of the start of the 2017 league year in March and has reportedly yet to sign the tender. While he has been recovering all offseason from groin surgery, Bell decided to stay away from most of the team’s offseason practices and mandatory minicamp, which wasn’t mandatory for him being as he isn’t currently under contract.

Should Bell ultimately not get signed to a new deal by Monday’s deadline, expect the discussion about him to turn quickly to whether or not he’ll show up for training camp on time. While it would be Bell’s right not to report to training camp if he hasn’t signed his franchise tag tender by then, he really doesn’t stand to gain anything by holding out being as the deadline for a new deal will have passed.

Not signing Bell long-term before Monday’s deadline could ultimately result in the Steelers using the franchise tag on the running back again next year. The amount of that tag would be well over $14 million, however.

For now, continue to tap your fingers on your desk and stare at your Twitter feed for the next 24 hours for any new developments on Bell’s contract situation.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    shocker.

  • RickM

    I’ve said I think a deal will get done, but if it doesn’t it won’t break my heart. Reasonable or not, his groin surgery bothers me as soft tissue injuries for RB’s are never a good sign. Especially groin ones as RB’s put so much stress on the area with their continual plants, cuts, etc.

  • WARisHELL- DuDu Shits-Poopster

    If you’re on the fence about signing Bell to an extension. I’d like you to take a moment and imagine him in a Ravens uniform, or god forbid and Patriots uniform. Tell me that doesn’t sway your opinion.

  • Jaybird

    You can’t overpay him just becuase you don’t want to see him in a Ravens uniform . Let them overpay for him , not us. And the Ravens are in no shape cap wise to sign a player like Bell. We’ve got Bell for two years at 26 million if we want him .
    And for the record I think Bell is incredibly talented. I just don’t want to potentially mortgage the future to sign him to a long term deal.

  • WARisHELL- DuDu Shits-Poopster

    I didn’t say anything about overpaying him.

  • nutty32

    At least Big Al might get done after the deadline passes.

  • Steeler fan in NE

    Preach it brother

  • Michael Pearce

    Dont forget Tuitt..

  • WreckIess

    At this point, you can’t really blame either side for not reaching an agreement. The team probably isn’t willing to break the bank over a guy who’s had some issues staying on the field and Bell is more than willing to bet on himself. I’d be disappointed if he’s not a Steeler next year, but I can’t deny that both sides have a point.

  • walter

    it looks like we might have to overpay him to keep him. I think 26 mil for 2 years is overpay

  • RickM

    Yes you have to be careful. He had 336 touches (261 carries and 75 receptions) last year before the playoffs and he added another 69 in the playoffs. We’re talking one guy getting over 400 touches of the football in one season. I’m not sure that many players could stay healthy with that much usage. Overpaying him for say 4 years would, in both our opinions, be too risky. Any deal would have to make sense to the Steelers.

  • Steve Johnson

    I would prefer that than to sign him to a redicolous contract, only to have his body continue to further breakdown. The Steelers have been doing this for a longvtime, they know what they’re doing. Trust In The Franchise

  • blue

    Looks like Steelers will franchise Bell again next year, like Kirk Cousins

  • Andrew Norwood

    Yeah he’s looking to make 50% more than the next highest paid RB. He is extremely valuable-but too often unavailable. Still, I’d rather overpay for him for 2 years than for 4. After 2, it’s likely his play will begin to decline.

  • Jaybird

    Exactly. I understand both sides want a deal that they think is fair, but this is a tough one. Bell is super talented and will command big bucks. But I can’t see giving him any guarenteed money beyond the first two years becuase of the point you brought up – overuse and juries ( and the suspension thing is another negative). I don’t think Bell is going to sign for 10 million a year . And I’m not sure how much more than that the Steelers are willing to spend.

  • Kevin Artis

    Rent Bell for 2 years and run him in the ground. Average NFL career is 3 1/2 years and the way Tomlin uses him and being a running back less than that. We have already seen some injuries but I think that’s because of Tomlin’s mantra of running them in the ground. After two years I don’t think Bell will be as productive. And I have his jersey….:o)

  • Jaybird

    Yes that is what I was trying to get across! Overpay for two years while (hopefully) Ben is here and this team has a real shot at a couple of superbowls. That’s better than paying for it 4 years down the road, especially if he starts to decline.
    Well said Andrew.

  • RickM

    I think they may go to $11M as he produces so well. Not sure if he would sign for that either. But I agree with you on the super talent and significant risk. It really is a unique contract negotiation – great production accompanied by cleary well-established risks. One more day to know how it shakes out.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    bell’s injuries had nothing to do with tomlin.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    groin surgeries suck period. i played american football for 4 years, rugby for 4 years, hockey for 4 years, real football for 13. all between ages 5-20. i had 2 groin surgeries and in that time frame. they take a while to get full balance and equilibrium back.

  • Kevin Artis

    Yeah that’s right. tackled out of bounds, crossing the middle and hit in the knee are not on tomlin. But I still don’t like usage and I think last year in the playoff game showed he was overused during the season when you have a very capable backup in DWill.

  • RickM

    That definitey doesn’t sound like fun, especially at that young age range.

  • StolenUpVotes

    That very capable backup was injured for about half of the season. He missed a game due to his knee swelling up from practice. Not a hit he took in a game. From usage at practice. His YPC was less than 3.5. D Will was done.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Demarco Murray touched the ball over 400 in 2014 and seems to be doing just fine in Tennessee. That is the only “top guy” I can think of in the league right now that has touched the ball that much in a season.

  • Robert E Lil

    If they wanted a long term deal at that position they wouldn’t have run him the way they have

  • Kevin Artis

    The hit in the knee remark was reference one of Bell injuries. One year he was out for a pass and I think it was against Cleveland that it happen.
    DWill handled himself quite well at the beginning of the season for Bell suspension and while he was injured. But I think because he was never used as much led to him not being as productive as he could have been.

  • Addison

    I’ll be stunned if it happens. It’s got to be hard keeping the top receiver and running back in the NFL on the same team. Plus his drug history like it or not is a factor. Also he has never played a full year.. I feel more confident in a contract with Tuitt.

  • StolenUpVotes

    I really hope that didn’t come off as player hating because it wasn’t. I liked D-Will he played well for the Steelers in 2015 and was a model teammate/citizen, but there wasn’t much left in the tank last season in my opinion. I also understand he performed so well in 2015 because Ben averaged 320 yards a game. Teams weren’t loading the box daring guys like Cobi Hamilton, Eli Rogers, and DHB to beat them. I don’t think D-Will does what Bell did with a depleted TE/WR corp.

  • RickM

    That’s a good point. There are always exceptions of course. It is curious though that Murray went from 400+ touches in 2014 to only 237 the next year. The workload in 2016 increased again.

    The difficulty for me is Bell’s 3 injuries in 4 years, and that doesn’t include the injury in training camp in his rookie year. And all three injuries have had significant recovery periods. Will that suddenly turn around when he signs a big deal? Personally, I very much doubt it.

  • StolenUpVotes

    And it was Cincy at home to clinch the division when Bell took the shot to the knee. Reggie Nelson.

  • Ni mo

    Stop D-will showed his age in the AFCCG

  • Ni mo

    Sure just like FWP

  • Ni mo

    July 17

  • Kevin Artis

    Well, after not playing for weeks and barely used when he wasn’t injured, and the demoralizing affect of Bell not being able to go, I can see him not doing well. But nobody played well in that game.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Really hope a deal gets done as the clock strikes.

  • Andrew Norwood

    Fatigue makes injury more likely. Yes the 2 plays vs the Bengals could happen to anybody at any time. But, if there’s fatigue, you are absolutely at more risk. No way of really knowing if things might have worked out differently. A half a step could make all the difference in the world.

  • StolenUpVotes

    I think a big part of Murray’s workload dropping in 2015 was a fit issue. Just didn’t seem to fit what Chip was wanting to do. As for injuries we will see going forward. I understand the concern, but the dude seems to come back better after each one lol

  • Andrew Norwood

    Me too. As long as it’s franchise friendly too. Nowhere near that ridiculous $15M he threw out there

  • Darth Blount 47

    No offense to “Shefty,” but this is the kind of “report” that truly means nothing. I mean, no one expected a deal to be done (after it had already gone on this long after, say, the past week) until tomorrow at some point, anyways. Can he really be in a position to comment on at what exact degree along the negotiation path, the Steelers and Bell’s agent, currently are? I mean… really? Who is going to tell him that info? The Steelers?! The agent?!

    Maybe if I heard it from Bell himself something to the effect of: “Naw, man… we ain’t close. Imma wanting 15 and they are balkin’. Oh well, we’ll see if they cave. Got till tomorrow to keep trying to get a deal done…” Now that would be newsworthy. I guess the point is, just take it from Master Yoda:

    “Do or do not, there is NO try.”

  • myrique21

    Honestly, I can’t see the Steelers signing a guy that has yet to start or finish a entire season without injury for big money. Yes, Bell is phenomenal when he is on the field; but all four seasons he played ended without him. I will won’t hold the two Cinncinati injuries against him, because they were dirty plays. His first season, he missed our first eights games with a foot injury. We finished 8-8. Second season, got in trouble due to substance abuse offense; then got hit in the knee with a dirty hit on the last game against Cinncinati right before the playoffs. Lost to Baltimore in the wild card game. Third season, served a two game suspension from his offense in 2014. Then got hurt due to another dirty hit from Cinncinati. Lost to Denver in the Divisional round. Fourth season, served a three game suspension for missing a drug test. Groin injury in the AFC Championship game. Lost to the Pats. Correct any mistakes I may have made, but Le’veon Bell is a hard sell at this point. He is all that when he is healthy, but we have yet to see a full season. If he finished last year, we beat the Pats! They had no answer for him.
    As for signing him long term, based on his history; 3yrs 33.5mil w/15mil guaranteed. If all goes well after the first two then maybe a sizable extension. To much risk at this point, to hard to trust. Tell me what you guys think.

  • jimsitalian

    So any idea what he’s looking for 5 years. 40 mil.??

  • Jeff McNeill

    I would hope they do not franchise him next year, I don’t believe any back 15 mil. I would rather them let him walk next year if no long term deal can be reached this year and get a 3rd round pick for him.

  • JB Burgess

    They were on the verge of beating Denver without him, and he got hurt again last season when we needed him. Let him walk after this season.

  • RickM

    Other than him missing only 3 games, not 8, in his rookie year looks fine. I like your contract offer, but something tells me he’ll insist on four years.

  • Jeff McNeill

    I don’t know who he gets information from, but his information seem like it is spot on the vast majority of the time.

  • Jeff McNeill

    Neither hit that caused his knee injuries were dirty.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    5 years 75 mill was the rumour i was hearing this morning.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    not to be pedantic. but 2014 he played the whole season.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    whats funny is on my side of this conversation i have someone blocked so i just see user is blocked a bunch of times. anyways. despite the 2 injuries. the usage thing is because i dont think haley knows how to use a 2 rb system effectively.

  • TsarPepe

    If Bell ends up playing the full 2017 season at his usual level, that $14mil tag in 2018 will look like a bargain. He is one-of-a-kind talent, and you can look as much as you want at the salaries at other RBs around the league, but at the end of the day, you’ll have to admit that Bell is much more than a RB.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    yeah it was rough especially since my first knee surgery was during this time too. sall good though.

  • myrique21

    He is not worth 15mil a season! To much to risk!!

  • myrique21

    If James Connor looks good, they probably will. If we win the Super Bowl and Bell is a big part of that; things may change.

  • myrique21

    The first hit was definitely. No one tackles by throwing their forearm into someone’s knee. Try wrapping your arms around them while putting your shoulder under there chest or above the knees, with your head on the side of the the body. It worked for me.

  • falconsaftey43

    It’s Tomlin, not Haley. When he was HC of KC, Haley split carries a lot, even with Jamal Charles there.

  • myrique21

    Agreed, only if James Connor shows out and I think he will.

  • myrique21

    When he is healthy and trouble free! Besides, that’s in our offense. Who says it will be that way some where else.

  • Joe Barnes

    I truly hope they can get a deal done, but the Steeler’s have been notoriously stubborn when it comes to negotiations under pressure. My guess is they may not want to make a long term deal until they see what he can do, and he may not want to show them until he gets a contract.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    obviously. 9.5 /year 30 mil 2.5 mill guaranteed. sounds good to me.

  • Andrew Norwood

    I don’t have a problem with him playing under the tag this year and next for $26M +. But, after year 6, he probably won’t be worth $12M a year anymore. Just playing the odds. If he’s asking for something stupid, let him walk after he gets 2 rings!

  • Gautama Om

    My guess is Bell is asking for too much and the Steelers are not budging which is fine by me. The tag at $12mil is too much already and is skewed by the Peterson contract. He should at MOST make $10mil a year and that is being VERY VERY generous considering his history availability or rather lack of availability.

    At all cost, we dont want to overpay and mortgage our future salary cap over an unreliable player who’s playing at a position that has increased injury risk.

  • greeny

    Consider it a 2 year $26 million dollar contract after they tag him next year too. Hope that Conner develops. It may be a safer route considering Bell’s injury history. Also need to consider the extensions to AV, Tuitt, and Shazier as well moving forward.

  • popsiclesticks

    It’s timing. In a year or two David Johnson and then Zeke Elliott will be making more.

  • spicyitln

    Id say 27 million 3 years or re access after 2017 season!!! Love Bell when he is available, however it hasnt been there in the big games… Ravens 2014, Broncos 2015 Pats last year!!!!!

  • Michael Conrad

    Four years for 38 million
    or
    Draft a running back next year let him walk . Running backs are a dime a dozen. New England never pays RB’s. NE picks up new ones every year. Running back by committee. He has been hurt at the wrong time so what is his real value.

  • spicyitln

    Personally I believe this year is Steelers best chance to get 7…Still have BB Brady turns 40 many other teams besides us have improved front 7 designed to deck Brady so he will get hit…Pats face AFC west Steelers schedule more favorable!!! Based on that Bell playing in 2017 12 mill franchise tag isnt the worst thing in the world!!!!

  • Sam Clonch

    Tuitt more important. He’ll be an URFA, while Al would still be a RFA.

  • Sam Clonch

    Is this a gut feeling, or have you actually done some analysis on the validity of everything Schefter has said?

  • Darth Blount 47

    Maybe he has a really cooperative fly that buzzes around on walls. All I know is, in this particular case, there are really only 3 people he could be getting his info from on us – on this… Colbert, Bell, or Bell’s agent. Otherwise, I think he’s just playing Mr. Obvious, host of the Mr. Obvious show. Because I’m pretty sure NO ONE expects a deal to get done with Cousins. And Johnson has been far apart for months and there hasn’t been a single optimistic word on that front since the beginning. So that leaves Bell. And since everyone knows a deal won’t come till tomorrow anyhow, he can put out a tweet saying what he said, with virtual zero repercussion. It’s useless/pointless. IMO.

  • Jeff McNeill

    The reason I said it seems like it, is because I have not done research and from what I have seen him say, to the best of my recollection most of what he says appears to me to be correct. Had I done research I would have said what my research turned up. Just like it seems to me that most of what Aditi Kinkhabwala says is incorrect.

  • Ralph Wagner

    Peeked into Steelers office: heads we should sign him tails we shouldn’t. Tails, Do the best out of three. LOL

  • Darth Blount 47

    What exactly did he say is my point. “With Monday’s 4 pm deadline to sign franchise players looming, no deals close for Kirk Cousins, Le’Veon Bell, Trumaine Johnson at this time.”

    How would he know how “far along” the negotiations are with Bell? I think he was just lumping Bell in with the other two, since everyone knows that the other 2 deals are NOT going to get done. Heck, I’d be surprised if there are ANY negotiations at all going on with Cousins. And I doubt much is happening on the Trumaine Johnson front either. I bet Bell is the only one fielding real calls right now. That situation is likely still pretty fluid. The other two are dead… as dead. And have been.

  • Jeff McNeill

    It is more than 3, Omar Khan would know. Plus either side could have people that plant leaks with to try and influence the talks. I have no idea how these things get out, if I did I would have a job like Shefter. Many things that happen someone generally seems to get information before the deals ever happen.

  • Jaybird

    In sad news: just heard George Romero just died. I Loved night of the living dead, try to watch it every Halloween . I know he was a Steeler fan and the movie was filmed near Pittsburgh. I remember he was even honored at halftime and was out there with his terrible towel waving.

  • Sam Clonch

    Lol, Aditi….

  • Jaybird

    12 million isn’t bad at all if it helps us win another Super Bowl. And next year 14 million wouldn’t be so bad if it helps us win two in a row!

  • Andrew Norwood

    I believe you if you’re saying they’ll make more than the $8M top RB salary to today. More than $12M, maybe, maybe not. But the shelf life is just unlike any other position. Long term big $ deals for RB don’t work out for the teams more often than not.

  • StolenUpVotes

    FWP wasn’t injured because of Tomlin……he was used more in his last season with Cowher than he ever was with Tomlin. Dude had a broken leg from getting tackled awkwardly.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Something tells me Omar Khan wouldn’t be on the phone to Adam Schefter, twirling his gum and shooting the breeze, talking about how “close” or “not close” they are in negotiations, the day before the deadline. But that’s just speculative on my part. Maybe those two go out for Chai Latte’s and pedi’s down on Liberty Ave. Anything is possible. Schefter looks like he wears mascara on camera.

    “Not that there’s anything wrong with that…”

  • SilverSteel

    That’s a lot of coin. I don’t see anything close to that being done being that we would not be able to sign anyone else and we have some big deals coming up. Shazier, Tuitt, AV – these guys aren’t going to settle for chump change.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    This was only a rumour, though it does give weight when you consider they are reportedly not even close.

  • Edjhjr

    If not this year how much do they really lose. Signing him this time next year seems like not a bad idea. God forbid a writer discuss that

  • Jeff McNeill

    I don’t know how he gets information, but you’re correct in that he can’t be wrong on this one. If the deal gets done he say that they close down the gap in the 11th hour and if the deal does not get done he says they were a long way apart.

  • NinjaMountie

    They lose bargaining power. Also, do you really think they’d use the tag on him again next year for 14+ million? I don’t. If they don’t it’s almost a guarantee he chases the money elsewhere.
    Right now they have exclusive rights because they’re willing to pay that 12 million for one season. IMO, it’s now or it never gets done. In my mind I say it 80-20 that it doesn’t get done and this is his last year in Pittsburgh. I could be wrong, though.

  • NinjaMountie

    If they get him for 10 a year (which I doubt he’d agree to), I’ll be happy. If he doesn’t agree to that I’d just let him walk after this year.
    While I feel he’s a special RB you can’t break a TEAM by overpaying. I feel we could find a RB next season that could be a reasonable replacement for Bell at a cost that will enable the team to retain and add to the talent level in multiple areas.

  • Reader783

    For most of these insiders, their sources are actually usually the agent or people that work at the agency. Not saying that’s who he heard it from here, but that’s usually the source for dude’s like that. That or maybe a nobody in the front office at some of these places. This story does ring of BS though, sounds like he texted his nobody (obviously he’s not texting the people who matter, ie Colbert, Khan, Bell) and the nobody said “Haven’t heard much.”

  • Jeff Papiernik

    Anyone who thinks Conner is the heir apparent is delusional. If we don’t sign Bell, we’re going to have to take a RB first or second round next year. Conner is not a RB you can build your offense around like Bell.

  • gdeuce

    do you remember how awful the run game was the year before Bell got here?

  • StolenUpVotes

    Who exactly are you concerned that we will lose if he gets around 12 per? AB is locked up through 2022. Pounce, Gilbert, and DeCastro are all locked up through at least 2020 and AV is on the cheap the next two seasons. Ben is in his last contract and could very well retire after this season. Heyward through his prime. Shazier doesn’t play a position that demands 7 figures normally. Tuitt won’t be getting as much as Heyward. Three of our starters on defense will only be in year two of their rookie deals. We have Bud Dupree on the cheap for the next two seasons plus the fifth year option. There are also guys the team that will be replaceable with guys on the back half of their cheap rookie deals. Then you have contracts on this team that can be restructured to maximize this window. I’m really not understanding this fear. This franchise finds ways to keep the guys they REALLY want to keep. You don’t let special talent walk out the door over something like 2 million per year.

  • StolenUpVotes

    I do. I can go without watching the likes of Felix Jones, Jonathan Dwyer, and the corpse of Rashard Mendenhall’s knee carrying the load lol.

  • Gautama Om

    Very good point. I was on the fence about bringing him back on a reasonable $9-10mil/yr but now I’m hoping they don’t bring him back at all.

    People keep worrying about what we would miss if we lose him to free agency but what about when he’s not available due to injuries due to his history and position and/or when he gets suspended? Not only is there a possibility of absence of production but also loss of cap space.

  • Phil Rippke

    Another Pittsburgh original 🙁

  • Gautama Om

    LMAO yeah sure RB in the 1st round. I’m glad the FO has wised up and not that stupid anymore to use a 1 on the RB position.

  • NinjaMountie

    Ben retiring and this being his last contract are just assumptions on your part. Though, I admit this is probably his last contract. The FO has also expressed its desire, and more importantly so has the player himself, to sign AV now. Shazier, if he stays healthy, will demand money here or elsewhere, no question. I also think Tuitt will command more money than you think.
    That being said, none of those things were even in my mind when I made my statement. The biggest concern I have is that 12 million is way too much for a RB. I know it may be sacrilegious to some on here but he isn’t that much better than other elite RBs that are getting much less.
    We have differing opinions. I wouldn’t overpay for anyone. I’m more in the mindset of BB and the Pats when it comes to things like this.

  • NinjaMountie

    Depends on the RB and the needs of the team.

  • RickM

    I actually remain a little on that fence that you mention. He is unique and one of the 10 best players in the NFL. The injuries just have me spooked. The suspensions worry me a little less, because he’ll lose money if he’s suspended and money is what he’s about right now. I still think a deal gets done…maybe 4-years for $45M. But the other option is franchising him again in 2018 if he stays healthy this year, or doing a deal next off-season. I truly am going back and forth on this one. It would be super easy if he didn’t have all the injuries in the past. But he does.

  • StolenUpVotes

    That 12M isn’t going to be that high once guys like Johnson and Zeke hit the market. The Steelers aren’t going to pay Tuitt 12-13M+ regardless if Bell is under contract or not. AV is not going to make a ton of money. The deal is going to be cap friendly or he will have to play the next two seasons for peanuts. He has zero leverage. Right now Bell is the 63rd highest paid player in the league with the tag figure. If that is what his yearly salary is with contracts continuing to go up is that so bad? Are there 62 players in the league that are better players than Bell? Absolutely not. The dude is special and you do not just let special players walk. BB and pats are not the rule. What they have done is incredible and not something you can just replicate. Once that wells dries up we will most likely not see a run like that again.

  • RickM

    If he’s willing to take to 4 years for $45M do you pass on him? Like you, I don’t think he’ll sign for $10M, and I don’t think the Steelers should go to $12M a year (or even higher). The $11M a year is my mid-point figure that may be acceptable to both sides. I’m not sure the deal will work out well with his injury history, but I could probably be talked into it. How about you? Is $10M your top number?

  • StolenUpVotes

    At 12M per there will 5 players on the team next year taking up a larger percentage of the cap than Bell. I seriously don’t see how $12M per is over paying for the guy.

  • NinjaMountie

    You’re saying that after a team lets a RB jump the pay of an elite RB up 4 mill plus a year and then 3 years later it will not seem high, then I agree….of course. Why wouldn’t other RBs take advantage of this. Of course, we’re dealing with this now because of 1 RB getting way overpaid and he was much better than Bell.
    I agree, Tuitt will not get 12 mill a year. I figure somewhere around 9.
    Again, we just disagree. I wouldn’t pay him and you would. That’s cool. We’ll just have to wait and see how it shakes out. We’ll know shortly what they decide.

  • steelmann58

    I am sorry but a franchise tag of 12 million should make him a camp player

  • NinjaMountie

    Good question. I’m not entirely comfortable with 10, ha. If I had to pick a hard cap for me I would go 10.5. Anything else it too close to 11 which would annoy me greatly.
    Like you, I’ve also factored in how healthy I think Bell can remain and how many more years I think he can remain as productive. The way I feel about both of those is a big reason to why I don’t want to pay him so much.

  • Jeff Papiernik

    Guess you never of guys like Adrian Peterson and Ezekiel Elliott then

  • StolenUpVotes

    “Much better”? I would have disagree with that assessment. Through their first four seasons L. Bell’s yards per touch is higher. I am not saying he is better than Peterson was at this point in their careers. Just saying that calling Peterson the much better player at this point is a complete disservice to Bell.

  • NinjaMountie

    What 5 players? He’d be the 3rd highest cap charge. Are you referring to 2017?

  • NinjaMountie

    Again, difference of opinion. If I were building an all time team and my decision was between AP and Bell I wouldn’t even have to think about who I’d pick as my RB. That’s much better to me.

  • RickM

    I definitely agree on the injury front. He’s fortunate from a negotiating perspective that his three most recent injuries occurred late in the season and he missed few games. If they had happened earlier in the season or even in mid-season, he would have missed a slew of games by now and would not have been able to rack up the stats he did. He’s going to get more injuries down the road, that’s almost inevitable with his workload and history. If they continue to be somewhat significant and happen earlier in the year, we’ll be paying for a lot of injury time.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Using 2018’s expected number per Spotrac. 12.12/168 = 7.2% which is behind what the site has for Ben, AB, Heyward, DeCastro, and Pouncey have listed as their cap percentages. Unless that percentage doesn’t change from year to year when you change seasons on the site. Also just realized we have 6M in dead money coming off the books as well.

  • NinjaMountie

    Well, I don’t know how Spotrac is figuring their percentages but in no math world I know is 11.4 a higher percentage of 168 than 12.2.
    11.4/168 is 6.7%

  • StolenUpVotes

    It’s wrong about Ben’s too. Must be something involved that we can’t see. I am just using the information I have at my disposal.

  • NinjaMountie

    No worries. I was just using the cap charge off of overthecap and the fact that 12 is always more than 11. When you mentioned Spotrac I went and looked and was wondering what they were doing to get their numbers. I’m certain if you put Bell’s numbers into their formula in 2018 it would still have him in 3rd.
    Maybe their getting their percentages based of the total cap used? I didn’t bother to figure it, just a thought.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Well whatever it is I still personally have no qualms with making him the 63rd highest paid player in the league……especially since he is only going to continue to fall down that list as more guys get paid.

  • NinjaMountie

    That’s cool. I understand why you want to keep him on the team.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’m really curious to see if the Steelers capitulate. I’m even more curious to see if Bell makes it through the whole year and the postseason (hopefully).

  • StolenUpVotes

    I think I may have figured it out. Cap % is referring to the cap space being used.

  • NinjaMountie

    That’s what I suspected. Thx for figuring it out. I was too lazy, lol.

  • Nunya

    Man, I know I am in the minority here, but I don’t do a huge deal if it will break the bank. His injury issues and off the field issues are big question marks. I would love to lock him up, but not at an unreasonable price tag.

  • Rusted Out

    I’d rather be reasonable and logical than be the majority every time. I called it prior to the tag deadline, he’s playing under the tag this year. Every sign of that happening was glaringly evident to me long ago. I love my Yinzers, and Steeler Nation faithful, but I’m often in the minority when I don’t let my love for my team or a player cloud my judgement.

  • Rusted Out

    Wow, “let him walk”? I would have never expected that from you JB.

  • Matt Manzo

    Damn! Didn’t know he passed! Total legend! Night of the Living Dead is the best horror movie ever! Only movie to ever really scare me!

  • Matt Manzo

    Tomlin and Co don’t do RB by committee. I wish they would. But they don’t.

  • Matt Manzo

    I’m emotionally attached to Bell! I’m cool with $12 mil a year.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Yep. My money is on Groundskeeper Willie.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Exactly.

  • Brenton deed

    If Bell doesn’t sign before the deadline then treate him like a commodity… use the franchise tag for a couple of years until Ben retires then ditch him.
    If he does sign a long term deal then that means he wants to be in Pittsburgh.

  • Darth Blount 47

    George Romero and then Martin Landau. Always comes in “3’s,” right? Ugh. We are going to lose so many iconic people over the next 10 years. I’m bracing for the impact. From Actors, but especially, the musicians.

  • Darth Blount 47

    The original ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ and the first ‘A Nightmare on Elm Street.’ Those are the 2 that made my hair stand on end.

  • Conserv_58

    There is no way Bell or any other RB is worth 12 mill a year. Shady McCoy is currently the highest paid RB in the league at $8 mill a year. I like what Bell brings to the position, but given his injury history, (two season ending knee injuries and a sports hernia incurred during the Chiefs playoff game) reliability and dependability are lost on Bell. Bell has yet to play a full season and last season was the first time he played in the post season. There is also the fact that NFL RB’s have a short shelf life and that begs the question, how much shelf life does Bell have left?

  • Conserv_58

    We are of like minds on this topic.

  • Conserv_58

    The Steelers won the 2005 SB with a banged up and worn out, Jerome Bettis and a free agent RB in Willie Parker. Never assume anything, especially when it comes to Conner’s future. Le’Veon’s injury history, his being suspended twice for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy and his being unreliable are not worthy of building a team around.

  • Conserv_58

    Peterson is a great back, but he didn’t get Minn. to a SB.
    Elliott had a great rookie season, behind the number one rated OL in the league.

  • Marcel Chris Chauvet

    I’m with you. And I have a question to pose that I think bears consideration: Would the Steelers be considerably worse with McCoy (who’s is, is stated, an $8M/year RB) running behind our O-Line instead of Bell? If the is no, then why would you fork up an extra 5 to 7 million (which is Bell’s supposed asking price) per season? Just seems illogical to me…

  • Conserv_58

    They still have to decide if A.V.’s going to be their LT for the foreseeable future, Tuitt may not make as much as Heyward, but he’s not going to be cheap eaither. Ryan Shazier is due for a contract extension next season too.

  • Conserv_58

    Signing Bell to a $12 mill per season contract is like paying full retail price for a banged up and patched up Ferrari. It’s looks nice on the outside, but under the hood it’s not a pretty sight.

  • Conserv_58

    The key issue for me is the simple fact that he’s had two season ending knee injuries. Surgically repaired torn ACL’s, MCL’s and meniscus injuries have a tendency to flare up, thus limiting a player’s availability and that’s a deal breaker for me. Availability and reliability has been a huge issue with Bell. Given the fact that he’s likely to miss time due to his surgically repaired knees, it makes no sense to me to sign Bell to a $12 million dollar per year contract.

  • Conserv_58

    What made the original TCM movie even more freightening was knowing it was based on actual events.

  • Conserv_58

    The running game was awful since the day Jerome retired. It was also hindered when they promoted Bruce Ariens to OC. Ariens treated the running game with a dismissive, take it or leave it attitude. One of the first things Ariens did was to get rid of the FB position. It wasn’t until the 2012 off season when during Art Rooney II’s end of the season press conference he said, “The RG needs to improve”. Colbert went and drafted, Rashard Mendenhall in the 2012 draft. The result, Mendenhall ends up on injured reserve after getting hit by Ray Lewis in his first game against the ravens. Mendenhall asked Ariens for a FB because he liked running behind a FB. That request fell on deaf ears.

  • Conserv_58

    Given his history, that’s a big if. He’s a unique back alright, but at the same time he’s an injury or drug suspension waiting to happen. He’s never played a full season, 2016 was the first time he played in the post season and even then he was unavailable in the AFCCG because he incurred a sports hernia in the KC game.

  • Conserv_58

    Was that a Baltimore paper?

  • SilverSteel

    That sounds fair. But will Bell take it? He would be the highest paid RB in the league and get security.

  • SilverSteel

    Darth ain’t no Padowan.

  • RickM

    I agree. He’s missed almost 25% of his starts in four years, and it would be more if he injured the groin during the regular season. Availability or lack thereof definitely should have a price. And as you suggest, injured body parts are never as strong as they once were even with surgery.

  • Jake

    You’re history is very off

  • Jaybird

    Growing up Roman Catholic, the Exorsist scared the crap out of me. I mean REALLY scared me!!!
    But I agree night of the living dead is number one in my book also.

  • Matt Manzo

    First movie I saw where something bad happened during the day!

  • Matt Manzo

    I though TCM was a true story for sooo long! That’s a great one! I love Freddy but he talks too much to scare me! I loved the concept in New Nightmare! I think it’s part 5?

  • Darth Blount 47

    He doesn’t say much in the original if you go back and watch. And whatever they did that year, with his makeup and sort of lighting and whatnot, he was scary as f***. As the series rolled on, he got too mouthy and the makeup got almost too good, if that makes sense. That first one had me when I was younger. When he comes down the alley for the first time and then cuts off his finger! Ooh wee, I was on pins.

  • Matt Manzo

    Yeah! The first one was something new, too, in the genre! Jason and Michael Myers were always my favs!

  • gdeuce

    Mendenhall was drafted in 2008, had that one good year in 2010 and did nothing much after. Willie Parker was leading the league in rushing in 2007 until he broke his leg, so there were a couple good years between Bettis and Bell