Several Browns Players Kneel During Pre-Game Anthem


The Pittsburgh Steelers are 2-0 during the preseason. So are the Cleveland Browns. In other words, it doesn’t really mean anything.

But sometimes actions speak louder than words, and during yesterday’s preseason game against the Giants, a large number of Browns players took action in participating in silent protest during the pre-game rendition of the national anthem.

According to ESPN’s Pat McManamon, 11 players, including tight end Seth DeValve, who is white, took a knee in a circle amongst one another, while several other players lent support of a hand upon the kneeling players’ shoulders.

Punter Britton Colquitt, also white, was among the latter group demonstrating support for his teammates, while also holding his hand on his heart as the traditional civilian response to the national anthem.

Last week, Browns Head Coach Hue Jackson, referring to potential protests during the anthem, said to reporters, “I would hope that we don’t have those issues”. Later in the week, he walked back those remarks a bit, saying in part, “I respect and support their right for peaceful protest; a right afforded to every American”.


Naturally, he was asked to address his players’ actions after the game, given that nearly 18 percent of his roster (including those standing around the circle of kneeling players) participated in or demonstrated support for the silent protest.

“As I said two days ago, we respect our players. We respect the flag”, Jackson told reporters. “Those guys came to me before they ever made a decision to do it. That is the way we feel about it, and we have talked about this. I said at some point in time, they may [protest], and they have. I won’t know about the next game until it happens. But again, this was tonight and we will move on from there”.

The Browns franchise as a whole also offered a response:

“As an organization, we have a profound respect for our country’s National Anthem, flag and the servicemen and servicewomen in the United States and abroad. We feel it’s important for our team to join in this great tradition and special moment of recognition, at the same time we also respect the great liberties afforded by our country including the freedom of personal expression”.

Among those players who knelt were Jamie Collins, rookie Jabrill Peppers, Isaiah Crowell, Christian Kirksey, and Kenny Britt. Jason McCourty and DeShone Kizer also showed their support to their teammates outside the circle.

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  • FATCAT716

    I love it.. Not much of a Browns fan but that’s a cool site to see

  • rdjmsr53

    I liked Mr, Roney’s response. It went something like this. We respect the right to voice your opinion, but when you take the field as a Pittsburgh Steeler you not only represent yourself but you represent the Pittsburgh Steelers and the City of Pittsburgh. I believe he continued to say that that wasn’t the time to protest.

  • Walt Dongo

    Doing this doesnt change anything positively and only brings negative attention to the NFL and more people will tune out. This is the last article I click on regarding this matter as well.

  • Adam Pristas

    Well, at least the Browns showed the rest of the NFL how to do it. On a knee, in prayer. I no longer care if they protest this way. It’s a national stage and it is really their only opportunity to do so. It’s peaceful and respectful when handled in this manner. It shows unity and the importance of the flag to them. If it weren’t important, they wouldn’t do it. I’m sure it hurts these players as much to take a knee as it does us to see them.

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    That’s so silly. Who represents black men gunned down by cops? I love the protest. It’s peaceful and powerful and the anthem has no place in sports.

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    Lol. No, only white, patriotic, cowardly racists will tune it out. Empathetic folks? Not so much

  • dany

    I love how teams immediately have to issue a statement saying how much they love and respect their country and also respect everyone’s right to protest. You can see that all they care about is money, and at least they don’t make a big effort to hide it

  • The Big Cheese

    I spent 26 years in the military and I’m fine with this. I defended people’s right to burn the flag in protest, because I defended their freedom to speak out, not how they did it.

  • falconsaftey43

    Blind nationalism is not good for anyone. It’s ok to acknowledge our country has issues. Peaceful protests are an excellent way to bring attention to issues that need addressed. I’m not sure why so many seem to have problems with this. Unfortunately, many take issue with the way others try to bring attention to big problems, rather than the big problems. All we can do is keep trying to get better.

  • Steel B

    Fake “prayer” just to elude the ire of the NFL fanbase over protesting a phony media driven assertion. Hope they all get cut.

  • george

    Maybe they were praying they’d go 8-8- this year!

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    I am more concerned with their defensive coordinators history with bounties to take opponent’s players out of games.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    of course they did. the mistake by the lake.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i served in america and ireland’s militaries and i think these players are retarded. execution of ideals matters.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    who represents the black men gunned down by other black men? who represents white men gunned down by white men. stop trying to push that false media nonsense. people as a whole, go with the flow and do whatever the media says. its a crowd control tactic, but in actuality people as a whole are dumb panicky animals, which make them easier to control.

  • WilliamSekinger

    If the national anthem has no place in sports, then sports have no place in America. Protest the way the rest of Americans protest, find a rally, go help local charities. Don’t disrespect your country.

  • John Phillips

    It’s the elites trying to create havoc. Divide and conquer is their M.O.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Best to let it go. Prince looks like he is trying his best to racebait in this thread and that never turns out well.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    agreed. its one of the reasons why i just blocked robert e lil. utter malarkey.

  • Dorian James

    Great article Matt, it always lights up the comment section. It’s always good to hear where people stand!

  • The Big Cheese

    I agree that ideals matter, Michael, and those players are doing precisely that. You and I might not do it that way, but that’s OK. Our oath was to defend the Constitution. It’s called the First Amendment, and there’s a reason it’s no. 1.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I personally don’t take issue with players protesting like this but objectively speaking I’m not sure I understand the point. There are multiple things here so I will cover each seperately.

    1. The anthem for most people is focused on the military and not necessarily the country. I mean, obviously there is a patriotic and nationalistic aspect to it, but the military takes center stage. So from that angle, it is a bad look for the players. I think most reasonable people understand that these players respect the military and aren’t protesting them, but they are choosing to do it at a time that is focused on the military so those things crossover regardless of intention.

    2. The anthem is maybe the most unifying moment I can think of and with a select few kneeling, it becomes divisive instead of unifying. Again, I am not questioning the players intentions here because I think they are pure. There is nothing wrong with protesting and nothing wrong with trying to bring attention to something they take issue with. Where the problem lies is their choice of protest. The idea here is to bring attention to the police shootings of black people. Now look at our comments section. I don’t see a single comment talking about the actual issue the protest is even about to begin with.

    So yes, by all means protest and share your views but my advice is that it could be better thought out as to when and where you do it. Because right now these players aren’t really pushing the conversation forward about the police shootings. All of the conversation is focused on the protest itself, how the NFL responds, how fans respond, how teams respond, etc…..

    I will say in opposition to my own point that with these players being on the national stage that is when they can get the most people to see it. So in a sense it is a catch 22. If you do it during the anthem you get the most attention, but you aren’t getting the attention you actually need to help your cause.

  • falconsaftey43

    Very good points. I do wonder how else these players could more effectively protest though. It’s always difficult to find a venue that will 1) draw attention 2) offend no one 3) actually get people to talk about what you want them to talk about.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    For sure. In fairness to the players, some people are going to hate you no matter where you protest so there is that going against them to. A lot of people are “just shut up and play football”

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    Oh Michael, I know your type all too well. Everything is fake news to a mouthy clown like you. You’re not worth my time. Xo

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    Yes, Phil, I care about humans and I’m the problem? Lol. Delete your DNA

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i have no problem witht hem expressing themselves. i think this particular method is pointless and does nothing but bring negative repercussions. there’s better ways of approaching it.

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    So, do you stand for the anthem at work? Home? A funeral? Wedding? Birthday? Nope. But hey, give me nachos and beer and a stupid song? Lol Clown

  • VaDave

    I have no problem with a peaceful protest of any kind. What saddens me is while we’re are not perfect as a country, the fact remains , for the majority of law abiding citizens, this is the best spot the safest spot on the planet, and one of the few any with real opportunity for upward mobility for those with a little initiative and drive. As a country we should be celebrating this, daily, not hanging our heads in disgust.
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    The singing the National Anthem is a part of that celebration, not just an acknowledgment of not just how great a country we are, but also of the potential we have yet to realize. It is OK to take pride in the fact that we indeed have that potential for change that in most of the world doesn’t exist.
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    Sure, we have some issues, but I’m also here to tell you that the media has a vested interest in stirring this pot of unrest, and have driven us to the point where a nation of E.Pluribus Unum (From the many becomes one, or something like that) has become a splintered society. They have hundreds of millions of dollars worth of reasons for drumming up unrest, and are doing a boffo job at that. You can leave 20 years of political of political gridlock at their feet, and now the race issue, driving yet another wedge that separates us all.
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    As for the NFL, it is and has always been about public relations. As long as seats are filled, and corporate sponsors are not leaving, they don’t care about such “trivial” matters like this. Life is good in the owners box.

  • Steelers12

    Name some

  • HiVul

    You really don’t see a difference between crime and a person wrongfully killed by the police? They are two separate problems

  • Steelers12

    Finally the browns do something right

  • nicolaisim

    Could somebody explain to me reason for this? Seriously dont get it.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    im not saying they arent. what i wont do is be baited into a circle jerk of nonsense about race vs race.

    the facts show that while many of the people killed by police have been unarmed, that does not make them less dangerous.

    yes there is an issue with bad officers popping up, and it needs to be addressed promptly. the masses don’t want to go on facts, they want to go on feelings, because feelings are more important these days.

    the media, not to sound like the pig and JA in office, is a tool of the wealthy to push fear mongering. take for example the hands up don’t shoot movement, which was largely touted and then proved to be false.

    the biggest issue that BOTH problems center around is the same thing. people do not value life.
    black, white, green, brown, or orange, people are the same.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Yeah just look at your responses. You are calling people racist and acting like they don’t care about humans just because they disagree with another persons stance. Oh, and then you tell me to kill myself.

    People like you are the worst sort of problem in these conversations. You racebait and add nothing intellectual to the conversation. People can disagree without hating each other or suspecting the other person of some ulterior motive.

    So yeah if you want the truth you are as harmful to these situations as any racist or bigot.

  • Reality

    Why write about this? Steelers Depot has its own little SJW now. Great. Many more or these types of articles that have nothing to do with football and I will unsubscribe from the podcast and stop donations.

  • WilliamSekinger

    I most certainly stand for the Anthem at work, and at home. At a funeral I stand at attention and salute the flag while Taps plays, and if they ever played the National Anthem at a wedding or a birthday, you will find me there standing and saluting. I don’t expect everyone to salute or even place their hand over their heart, but standing while the National Anthem is playing is respectful, and the right thing to do. Protest on your own time like I said. Don’t disrespect your country or the people who gave you the freedom to protest.

  • capehouse

    Nice post.

  • capehouse

    Here’s a tip next time you don’t want to be baited into a circle jerk. Ignore it and don’t respond.

  • deuce_seven

    If that is their reason, then it makes more sense to hold a protest in front of the local police department that did it. Makes no sense to disrespect the National Anthem over local issues. No one who stands for the anthem is saying America is a perfect country.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Steelersdepot has always covered more than just specifically Steelers news, especially when it is in division. Nothing different is happening here.

    As for the part about SJW, Matthew didn’t even express a stance here. All he did was report on news from a division opponent.

  • Reality

    You really can’t be that naive.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Nothing naive about it. I just prefer going with logical responses as opposed to emotional ones. I feel like it clouds the issue. I read what was said and responded accordingly based off of what was there. You read it and added your own motives and implications and decided to even threaten the site because of it.

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    It must be true if Phil says so. lol. Here’s the deal: Don’t condemn a peaceful protest regarding a subject you have no experience with. The whole point of freedom and the democracy is for folks to protest how they see fit. Are you triggered? Calm down, bub. A true “patriot” would applaud them. A true “racist patriot” would mock them. Which are you, Phil? (I know)

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    Screw the flag. Screw the song. And screw the obsessed patriots who are destroying this country

  • PrinceofSnowflakes

    The anthem is a racist song, dude. Read much? Care about black history much? Years ago, somebody thought let’s dupe the public at sporting events with military worship. You guys bit the bait….hard. lol

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Well it isn’t true because I say so, it is true because your post history is sitting right here in front of us. We can see how your immediate responses were to racebait and try to incite negative conversation. Those are just facts, doesn’t matter who presents them.

    As to your second point, I do have experience with the subject and I didn’t condemn it. In your rush to racebait you must have confused me with someone else.

    On to your third point, I agree. People are free to protest just how they see fit. And with that being said, people are allowed to respond to said protest and counter protest just how they see fit. That is where I run into a problem with people like you. You think freedom of speech is okay only so long as you agree with said speech. To give an example:

    Walt Dongo said he doesn’t think anything positive will come of the protest and you responded by implying anyone who tunes out the protest is not only racist but also a coward. And I am the one who is triggered? Think you should probably rethink that one a bit. Seems to me like you are only okay with protests and people speaking up if you share in that opinion.

    And once again in this post of yours I am responding to you imply anyone who disagrees with the protest is a racist. You are not only a fool but you are an extremely bad influence to conversations like this that should have an intellectual basis for positive debate and instead you would rather just break it down into an emotional, hate filled free for all.

  • WilliamSekinger

    Panties in a bunch much? LMAO at you fretting over patriotism. Maybe you should go ahead and get that gender reassignment surgery over with #PrincessOfSnowFlakes

  • Reality

    Ah ok. So you are.

    I love how you say you prefer to go with logical responses as opposed to emotional ones, then literally in the next sentence you write “I feel”. Alrighty.

    You can say you’re being logical as much as you want. Doesn’t mean that you are. I guess you are trying to be? What motive did I apply to this? What implications? I’ve seen what this kid retweets. It’s pretty clear what his stance is. Tweets and retweets a side. Just choosing to make it newsworthy is a stance. Especially when it has to do with another team. All logic was lost the minute these dumb “protests” started. The minute everyone starting talking about them. The second this was posted. So please, save the Mr. Logic bullshit.

  • Dubb Betts

    But why u mad ?

  • Reality

    Try harder.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    So you basically just proved my point. You are applying his tweets to an article on Steelersdepot and those are 2 different platforms. And you say “just choosing to make it newsworthy is a stance”. Ok, 2 things.

    1. It is already newsworthy. I don’t think Matthew is such a big celebrity that he is going to make this story blow up. It has already blown up.

    2. So what is the stance he expressed in this article? I haven’t seen one. Does he support the protest or is he against it? I would be grateful to you if you could quote something he said in the article here that would show me one way or the other.

    Seems to me like you brought your own stances and opinions into this thread and immediately got mad this was posted and projected it onto Matthew. So yeah, I will just reiterate about preferring logic over emotion.

    All that being said, if Matthew actually DOES start posting his stances and you disagree and don’t want to come to the site and support it I would totally respect that decision. But that didn’t happen. You just seem irrational right now.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Make it worth the effort….

  • Dubb Betts

    Maybe you should try understanding what they’re protesting

  • Chad

    Its the Browns y’all, they probably just wish they could take a knee at the end of a game for once and wanted to know what it feels like

  • Reality

    If it’s already newsworthy why write about it?

    Really? You need me to answer what stance he took? Just by writing about it gives credence to the situation. Especially when it has been “already newsworthy” like you say. Posting certain quotes will also give you an idea of where someone stands. Believe it or not, you can actually figure out what some is usually thinking without them having to spell it out for you.

    Yes, I do have my own opinions and stances, great job pointing that out there. My stance is I’m sick of reading about this nonsense. Yes, I am mad this was posted. Once again, good job pointing that out. You are a pretty perceptive little guy . So while you are correct, I am mad at this and I do have my own stances and opinions, in no way does that make me irrational. Nice ad hominem though.

    Anyways, seems like you only respect the opinions of people you agree with. Otherwise you wouldn’t start out with the old “I’m sooo logical and this guy is not” tactic. Sums up the type of person you are and why you are so defensive because I voiced my opinion on this matter. Maybe you’re his dad or something.

  • Dubb Betts

    They’re protesting not just police shooting people, but also minority’s being treated as second class Americans. We haven’t came to any concrete solutions but the protests have shown impact in starting the discussion.

  • Reality

    That comment wasn’t to you big guy. Let’s get that reading comprehension a little better there Philly.

  • Dubb Betts

    You shouldn’t let stuff on the internet tick you off

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I know it wasn’t. I was defending Dubb. Why should she try harder when your post isn’t worth the effort?

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Well sure, I am sure it has moved the discussion some but there is far more discussion on irrelevant things like if they should be protesting or not. I know it is difficult because the platform is so large but it would be nice if they could protest in a way that wouldn’t distract from the point of the protest to begin with, if that makes sense.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Lol whatever man. I try not to feed the trolls. Stay hungry friend.

  • Reality

    Then why have you been responding?

  • Reality

    I’m not exactly punching the walls over here. You shouldn’t be surprised that people actually argue in comment sections on the internet.

    You say to not get ticked off but yet comment with something specifically trying to do cause that reaction. Reason why I said “try harder”.

  • Reality

    And there it is. The resorting to “troll lolz”.

    You keep fighting the good fight.

  • Reality

    It gets them victim points. The only points the Browns will score this year.

  • Reality

    Who represents the thousands of blacks lives taken by other black men every year? Where are all you white college kids at then huh? Where are the protests? Where are the demonstrations?

    Nothing like a bunch of overpaid dolts virtue signaling about racism while they are being praised for playing a stupid game by hundreds of thousands of white people who spend money they don’t have. Yea, this country is sooo racist. I mean it’s not like our last president was black or anything and served two terms. The confirmation bias, hive-mind thought and just plain delusion of some people is astounding.

  • Craig M

    I believe the youth of America should look to great leaders such as George Washington Carver/ Martin Luther King who stood tall in the face of adversity rather than the likes of someone who kneels/ grovels and blames others for their own lack of opportunity. Look around you and see the fathers who have abandoned their children/ families, look at those who murder their own neighbors or those that sell drugs in their schools. Then look at the athletes who worked hard to attain their own personal goals and respect their accomplishments not those bastardizing their profession for the attention they didn’t get at home when they were young. Bum Phillips (coach of the Houston Oilers) said something like “the first sign of failure is blaming someone else”. And that applies to sports as well as life in general. I find it ignorant that Marczi would bring a political issue into the arena of sports where it doesn’t belong- next I expect he will interview a BLM speaker.

  • Craig M

    There is a place and time for everything and the football field is not a podium for politics it’s a place where people come to enjoy the game of football- in all its simple purity.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Cleveland: 11 players kneel during the National Anthem in protest.

    Pittsburgh: James Harrison: I DARE someone to protest that anthem and flag.

    Nuff said.

  • francesco

    So tell me again what are they protesting about again?!?

  • deuce_seven

    Ok, Now I know you are just playing a game. You got me.

  • RickM

    James never actually said that. He’s on record this week (see Sports Illustrated) as saying that was a fake tweet put out by someone else and accepted as real. His position is that it’s up to the individual: “If they feel like that’s something they want to do, that’s their right.”

  • pittfan

    Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron to name a few true heros.

  • Bob Loblaw

    The fact that basically a year old topic is still able to generate so many comments is testament to just how effective this is as a protest. We’re still talking about it, they must be doing something right.

  • Darth Blount 47

    And yet… nary a single protest to have been found in ‘The City of Champions.’

  • RickM

    That’s a different matter. Harrison denied the tweet as did the Steelers at the time. I just think for Deebo’s sake that the record should be accurate on a powderkeg issue.

  • pittfan

    Getting attention is easy work. Affecting change is harder and garners little attention. Jim Brown has been very effective in working toward a solution but doesn’t get the spot light.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Again, that’s well and good. I hadn’t heard about the remark being questioned. But my point absolutely still stands. Harrison is one of the unquestioned leaders of this team. And I believe that a message was sent and received somewhere along the chain of command. Whether from Management, Coaching Staff, or originating from the “leaders” in the player ranks. I can name multiple teams now where some form of protest has occurred. But not here. And not with an African-American, “player’s coach.”

    One would think, that if a place for protest would be generally viewed from the outside looking in as quite acceptable, it would be Pittsburgh, due to what I just mentioned. However, none have been found. A person from the outside can look at Dallas, Texas and a 100 year old Jerry Jones and say… “Doubt we’ll see any from there.” But with a young team and young coach, and a pretty loose lockerroom, (see: Live-streaming) one might expect to have seen a protest or two from one of ours. But…nope.

  • Rob

    Colin Kaepernick kneeled during the anthem after a rash of popular examples of police brutality against American citizens which lead to their deaths. All of whom were black and unarmed, reportedly in non-violent crimes, if any, and decided it would be hypocritical to praise a country that continues to send the police officers involved home with paid leave and no punishment. Insinuating that America was ok with how these people are being treated. Obviously, this continues (police officers planting evidence on suspects in Baltimore caught on body cams) but for whatever reason is less publicized, I guess because death draws more ire/attention (see the Charlottesville riots with “really fine people”).

    This is not about fame. Kap and these players are definitely breaking even with newly gained fans and haters, or marginally either way. If you don’t use the best platform to get your point across, then are you even trying? Kap donated money to various organizations, as some people would like, but you can’t really throw money at this issue. My point is, regardless of the kneeling or means of the protest, people are ignoring the issue. It appears people could care less about the anthem, making it more about ignoring the race issues that are laced into America’s fabric. Thanks to him, more players than ever are protesting, so if you don’t like it, you probably won’t ever be able to turn into a football game again. That’s the definition of sticking your head in the sand to be frank.

    I’d rather not comment here again about this, but I’d be glad to chat with anyone via email or whatever if you’d like to discuss. I’d like to know the correlation between these protests and disrespecting veterans in particular.

  • VaDave

    Vote for one. Seriously, is anybody truly happy with the way our government is being run? Do you honestly feel in this representative republic, do you feel totally represented? If this is true, how do you explain the career paths of a Mitch McConnell? Nancy Pelosy? And we keep on sending these idiots back term after term after term expecting a different result.
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    The percentage of people that actually vote is unacceptably low. Our best defense is an informed public that votes, and what I mean, by being informed, gleaning information that is not going to come from our national media, that hand picked two of the most unqualified presidential candidates ever to come down the pike.
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    Our new national mantra should be ” They all need to go”! Everyone of them. Democrat, Republican, every last one of them. If you vote for an incumbent, shame on you. You’re getting more of what you don’t want. Really, do you need any more information than the last 60 years of bad government and failed social policies have given us to get you off your royal derrière to get out and vote?

  • VaDave

    Actually, it started back at the ’68 Olympics….on the medal stand.

  • francesco

    Some players are trying to carve out for themselves a future job in politics after football.

  • 695hoops

    This is one of the best comments I’ve seen on the subject. The more people complain about their protest the more it will catch on. Sooner or later we there might be some real dialogue.

  • dany

    That’s the thing right, if the population suddenly changed its mind collectively you wouldn’t see those fake statements, you’ll see someone like Kaepernick signed in a second, you’d overall see more honesty everywhere. I mean geez, I’d respect the NFL so much if they came out and said “we’re siding with whoever pays our bills”. I’d probably spend a dime in the nfl for the first time in 10 years if I saw a glimmer of honesty from them

    As for the media, yes they’re the pot stirrer, though for both sides- In any issue. Which is why I simply get my steelers news and occasional nfl news from SD, pretty much unfiltered and with sources if I need to check them. People give them the power they have, so they’re at fault themselves. I deal with issues of inequality every day so I’m not gonna comment on the rest, I come here to escape from that. I will say the, though, the NFL, despite how hypocritical it is, is the perfect platform for social issues, any social issue really, SO LONG as people don’t take it personal and that’s what happens from my viewpoint; We attack instead of listening and then saying “now let’s watch some football”. Listen, watch your football and then analyze whatever is on the social platform outside of football. Don’t do that and you have the whole mess people the media and the NFL have created for themselves

  • Rob

    To be clear, a lot of people are getting more involved in politics, and that may include some of these players, and certainly not a problem if so.

    However, if you are implying that they are only doing this to gain political points for a potential run in a governmental office, I don’t know on what basis you are making that claim. Anyone who has ever said or done anything political could be charged with the same thing.

  • Steelers12

    Yeah when I say that at work usually they say I’m advocating to over throw the government

  • VaDave

    Dang, good post Danny. Thanks. The only thing I disagree with is the entire society is connected, and not comparmentalized. As I said, I have no problem with a protest. Frankly, the protest is no longer news, it’s our reaction that is news, made to order by the media for our television viewing, and I object to that.

  • AndyR34

    Dave & dany – great conversation!

  • VaDave

    Which would be a bad thing how? Lol!!!!

  • AndyR34

    Well…it’s actually been longer than that with some white folks protesting against the lynching of black folks by certain southern white folks. For a period of time, there was an average of 3 lynchings per day of black folks in the south. Not too many lynchings of white folks by black ones. Nevertheless…anything that gets us talking (respectfully) about current racial issues is…to me…a good thing.

  • AndyR34

    Michael – virtually all protests bring only negative repercussions…in the short term. But, like Steelers12, I am willing to listen to better ways (plural) of approaching it. Dave is correct in that voting is a method, but as we saw in the last presidential election, it really only led to a worsening of the situation. Too many people stayed at home, I guess.

  • AndyR34

    Please just go then. And why do all of your comments need to have insults thrown in??? Sarcasm has it’s place, but your insults aren’t sarcasm.

  • VaDave

    True, sadly there were lynchings in out past we should be ashamed of, but the context is protest in the theater of sports.

  • VaDave

    The problem is not the president, his power is extremely limited. The problem is Congress and the special interest that own the town.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    wouldnt know what he said, ive had steelers12 blocked for a long time now. ive pointed out a more reasonable approach he could have taken.

  • Matthew Marczi

    This doesn’t make any sense.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Pretty sure Jamie Collins and Jabrill Peppers are not going to get cut.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I didn’t offer an opinion anywhere in this article.

  • pittsburghjoe

    You have to wonder if Matt Marczi is trying to race bait the Depot readers.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I’m pretty sure the players brought the political issue into sports. I just talked about it because it’s newsworthy regarding a Steelers opponent. And being citizens, they are within their right to do so.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Yes, that’s definitely what I’m trying to do. There are two white players in the picture above, by the way.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Ok, then maybe you are just playing the social bait game then.

  • dany

    Funny how, for the most part, when you think back on a protest all you remember is the negative stuff the media portrays while ignoring the message, and just trying to get a rise out of people. They’re doing their job pretty well, and they know it

  • VaDave

    Great point Danny and I’m guilty as charged.

  • Steel B

    Yeah ok thx Captain obvious

  • Matthew Marczi

    Or maybe I’m just writing about a newsworthy event.

  • Steelers12

    😂😂😂😂

  • VaDave

    + 100 S12 have a good one.

  • Steelers12

    U to brother

  • Ryan Alderman

    I feel like I’m watching Good Morning America. This is NOT football-related news to me.

  • Ryan Alderman

    So can I join a peaceful protest on the clock at work, too, then? Time and a place. This guy is talking about peace while attacking people, hypocritical to say the least. Then again it’s easy to be a tough guy blogging on here, right? So annoying.

  • Matthew Marczi

    This ‘on the job’ narrative is wearing thin. Players are not paid to stand for an anthem. They’re paid for what comes after the anthem. If there was an anthem played at the start of every work day at your job, you would be fully in your right not to stand.

  • Ryan Alderman

    I respect your opinion naturally but think it’s wrong personally.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Football doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s played by citizens who are entitled to exercise their rights, and in this case, they are using their platform as football players to exercise their rights. I realize not everybody is going to like this, but I consider it newsworthy and deserving of being addressed. We could be seeing this on opening weekend when the Steelers play the Browns, after all.

  • Ryan Alderman

    I simply could not disagree with you more. I find it disrespectful…very…and not the proper platform. It’s my right to do anything I choose, you are correct, but actions have consequences. The NFL is a business, not a democracy. This is pissing off a lot of their paying customers. Does that make sense to you? Protest on your own time all you want.

  • Matthew Marczi

    What exactly are you disagreeing? I don’t think I said anything above that is not factually correct. Standing for an anthem isn’t part of anybody’s contract and they’re all allowed to do it. The Browns just had about 18% of their roster participate in or support protest in some way and I doubt it’s going to affect ticket sales.

  • Ryan Alderman

    A lot of people of all backgrounds gave their lives so that “stupid song” could be played.

  • Ryan Alderman

    Listen, I enjoy your writing and come here to read about the Steelers. I fundamentally disagree with kneeling in protest during the anthem just like you obviously have no problem with it. We ain’t gonna change each other’s minds. Let’s move on and get back to football, k?

  • Matthew Marczi

    I just want to clarify something. I don’t have a problem with your opinion on the choice of protest. I just don’t think the ‘company dime’ argument applies, because they’re not paid for anthem services. I’m not looking to change your mind. And I appreciate your kind words about my work,and for being respectful here. As you can see, not everybody manages to achieve that. This is not the type of article I’m looking to write, but I felt it was the biggest divisional news story of the day. Don’t worry, there will be plenty of Steelers coverage on the site tomorrow morning, as there is every day. I think I’ll have a couple of film room articles among my contributions.

  • Jamie P

    Not “Browns Depot” again! On a lighter note this is probably the last time this season the brownies will be a headline story

  • Dewayne Braxton

    Prince, I would not usually announce my race but I am African American. And I agree with the right to protest but doing it on the job does impact your employer. IMO that alone makes it inappropriate. If these players want to protest why not organize one and do it the right way. Moreover these rich players could use their influence to do so many positive things to help race relations. Actions that can be interpreted as divisive will not help their cause.

  • Steve

    Well – they have 2 wins, but it don’t count – Shucks.

  • Ryan Alderman

    Appreciate that, Matthew.

  • pittsburghjoe

    I would personally like it if you just focused on football. We can get that other stuff from other places like CNN or the Huffington Post or Fox. The Depot is an escape from all of the BS.

  • pittsburghjoe

    You might as well write about the Asian American, Robert Lee, that ESPN pulled or “reassigned” from the Virginia game. It fits your theme well, minus NFL.

  • LHW

    One does not earn respect by showing disrespect. They can do what they want, but that gesture is disrespectful, and in return they want other people’s respect? Not mine, no thank you.

  • Matthew Marczi

    If it was about a Steelers game I probably would write about it.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Tell that to the broadcast networks. From the sounds of it, they’re more eager than ever to show the anthems, presumably in the hopes of catching people kneeling.

  • Brenda Martin

    If this was “prayer” one can stand to “pray”, kneeling was not necessary. Why not stand on the sideline during the National Anthem, link arms or hands in solidarity, bow their heads and pray? Answer, because it was not “prayer” as the Browns organization would have one believe. It was protest. As a Browns fan, I feel they need to protest on their own dime and time, not mine. They will accomplish nothing on their knees. They need to begin discussion groups with youth, police officers, representatives, schools and fans. This is the appropriate venue for political/social activism, not the football field.

  • Bill Perkins

    No it’s not cool to see. It’s ASSholic. I sure as hell hope no Steelers pull this crap. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

  • Bill Perkins

    Pansy of Snowflakes is not worthy of a response

  • Al Best

    Let them protest and when many others protest by not watching, buying NFL related products, and generally getting along without wasting time with sports, then it will stop.