Steelers’ Training Camp Diary: Day 12

The Pittsburgh Steelers were back at it today at Chuck Noll Field for Day 12 of training camp. Weather couldn’t have been any more perfect, planes zoomed in and out of Arnold Palmer Regional Airport, and there was even a fighter jet that buzzed overhead. I like to think he was trying to fly faster than Martavis Bryant can run. To your notes.

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– Injury roundup. Team in better shape after their first game their before it. Usually not how it works. In pads today were: Alejandro Villanueva, James Conner, Cameron Sutton, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Bud Dupree, Sean Davis, Artie Burns, and Justin Hunter.

Conner, Sutton, and JuJu did not participate in team sessions. Burns saw action in about half as the team eased him back in. Conner saw work in 7 on 7. I would call them all close to returning in full.

Still fully out today were: Landry Jones (abdominal strain), Mike Mitchell (foot/ankle), Senquez Golson (clearance aisle 6 million dollar man), Anthony Chickillo (hip), Keion Adams (left shoulder), Maurkice Pouncey (cut on leg? didn’t see him out there today), Ryan Shazier (hamstring), and Demarcus Ayers (unknown). Didn’t even come to mind during practice but I don’t recall seeing Keith Kelsey (shoulder) out there today. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Ayers did go through the stretch line with the rest of the team and didn’t appear to have any limitations. So while he didn’t practice at all, I have to think he is nearing a return.

During practice, Farrington Huguenin suffered a left shoulder injury, I believe during team drills. Johnny Maxey hurt his right knee in OL/DL run blocking work. Had a wrap on it for a while, sat on the cooler, than had the wrap taken off and tried to flex his right knee. Not sure of his status going forward but his day was done. Marcus Gilbert also dipped out part way through, though he didn’t visibly look in any sort of distress. Chris Hubbard replaced him as the first team right tackle. B.J. Finney replaced Pouncey at center.

Terrell Watson, like clockwork, first man out at 2:27 PM.

– Sutton hadn’t been in a team practice yet. Had trouble getting his pads on and adjusted right. Fellow rookie Brian Allen had to lend a helping home.

– Second team OL: Hubbard-Feiler-Friend-Milton-Hawkins

– 3rd team OL: Mihalik-Cooper-Friend-Milton-Rodgers

– Initial punt return line in warmups: Marcus Tucker, Trey Williams, Cameron Sutton, and Martavis Bryant. When they broke into a special teams session during practice, it was Tucker, Williams, Sutton, and Eli Rogers fielding punts.

Mike Tomlin to Martavis Bryant as practice got underway. “Let’s go, 10!” as he gave him a fist bump.

– Tomlin trying to pump up the tight ends as they came off the blocking sleds. “We got some tight ends on outside linebackers today!”

– On air, Canaan Severin ran an out route to the left sideline, got both feet in, but crashed into the camera man. Camera guy stayed on his feet, equipment was ok. One of the bigger collisions of the day.

– On air, Tucker looked back for the ball too early running a nine route. Caused him to slow up and missed the ball by a step when he tried to grab it.

– Didn’t chart it but two quick observations in the TE/OLB drill. T.J. Watt and Huguenin had breakups in coverage.

– Back-to-back throws from Ben. Martavis Bryant reached out behind him to snag one and Justin Hunter reeled in the next over his head. Both made it look effortless. Bet Roethilsberger is a happy man.

– Charting WR/DB one-on-ones.


1. Antonio Brown creates space at the top of his comeback, beating Artie Burns pretty easily.

2. Eli Rogers hauls in the pass on a curl versus Mike Hilton. Nice job by Rogers to get on Hilton’s toes to give the illusion he was going deep.

3. Martavis Bryant’s first rep. Beats Ross Cockrell on a post, getting inside leverage.

4. Back shoulder throw for Darrius Heyward-Bey but Coty Sensabaugh pins him along the sideline, getting his head around and plucking the ball out of the air.

5. Brian Allen good coverage on Cobi Hamilton. Miscommunication as Hamilton runs deep, the QB wanting him to break off to the sideline.

6. Justin Hunter schools Brandon Dixon, turning him all around. Outside stem, inside counter, outside stem again. Makes the catch as Dixon can’t finish the play.

7. Canaan Severin runs a curl. Good coverage by Greg Ducre but the pass from Josh Dobbs is way off target.

8. Double-move from Marcus Tucker. JaCorey Shepherd not fooled. Pass behind and overhead, incomplete.

9. Good punch by Allen. Hamilton able to shake free past the five yard chuck zone and makes the catch.

10. Burns totally blanketing Brown on a post-corner. On his inside hip as Brown breaks away and doesn’t allow AB to work back to the ball. Falls in front of them, incomplete.

11. Rogers beats Hilton off the line pretty easily. Rogers settles on his curl but Roethlisberger hesitates. Two still having some issues getting on the same page. Pass was complete.

12. Pass for Bryant vs Cockrell incomplete.

13. Dixon pulls Hamilton’s jersey on his out cut. Incomplete. Hamilton throws his towel as the flag. Definitely PI, win goes to Cobi.

14. Hunter stacks Shepherd downfield but the pass tips off Hunter’s left hand.

15. Tucker has inside leverage versus Allen. Makes the catch on a post route.

16. DHB nod to create space and stack Dixon. Pass is underthrown and to his inside shoulder. Can’t find it, incomplete.

17. Severin shoves Burns away and crosses his face on a slant. Complete.

18. Ducre good coverage on Hamilton’s curl route. Pass skipped two yards in front of them.

19. Rogers’ breakdown versus Hilton so smooth. Stops as Hilton drifts upfield. Easy pitch and catch.

20. Burns pins AB along the sideline. Think Brown was trying to subtly grab Burns’ arm as they ran downfield. Burns gets his head around and high points the pass, picking it off. Good rep from #25.

21. Bryant runs through Cockrell’s weak press attempt. Pass a little out in front and Bryant dives for it, unable to haul it in as he goes to the ground.

22. Hamilton catch on a slant. Versus Dixon, I believe.

23. Some apparent miscommunication between Hunter and Ben. Roethlisberger tries to pull the ball back but he can’t, fluttering out of his hand two yards in front of him. He and Hunter chat for a minute or two after. Not sure who had the coverage, not that it really mattered.

24. Burns with a HARD two-handed punch on AB, knocking him back off the line of scrimmage. But Brown recovers, beats Brown off the line, and makes the catch on a dig.

25. Dixon does well to stay in-phase vs Tucker. Tucker tracks it but it’s off his hands, incomplete.

– Just a couple OL/DL notes.


1. Villanueva wins vs Tyson Alualu.

2. Ramon Foster shoots his hands to fake an early punch on Cam Heyward, getting him to commit to his bull rush, which Foster is able to anchor.

3. Javon Hargrave walks Finney back.

4. Good battle between David DeCastro and Stephon Tuitt. Late swim by #91 though he never really beats DD completely clean.

5. L.T. Walton gets under Hubbard’s pads and walk him back.

6. Roy Philon uses his lack of height to dip under the 6’9 Brian Mihalik.

7. Matt Feiler good anchor and then the lateral movement to push Francis Kallon upfield.

8. Nose tackle Christian Brown shows arm extension to walk new guy Lucas Crowley back. He’s able to but loses his balance, not bringing his lower half, and falls to the ground. Call it a tie.

9. In seemingly all one movement, Daniel McCullers clubs (engulfs) and rips under Keavon Milton. Good second move for him I hope to see more often. It isn’t a fast move but he has the power to make it somewhat effective.

10. Lavon Hooks works under Jerald Hawkins.

11. Not a one-on-one but watched McCullers and Brown try to stunt. Like they had never seen one before. What a mess.

12. Nice move by Kallon. Fake rip and then spins away from Ethan Cooper, who totally bit on the rip. TKO for Kallon.

13. Two go at it again and Cooper is much better, anchoring Kallon.

14. Crowley stops Brown’s rip attempt.

15. Poor punch by Hooks on Kyle Friend. Friend shoves him upfield.

16. Walton’s initial punch on Jake Rodgers fails. Converts to power and Rodgers loses his footing, doing a split as he goes to the ground.

First Session

1. Seven shots. Sean Davis and Robert Golden at safety. Dupree/Watt at OLB, Burns/Cockrell at corner (Burns didn’t shadow AB today). Martavis Bryant in the slot with Eli Rogers and AB on the outside. Roethlisberger looks for Jesse James in the back right corner of the end zone.

Sean Davis faceguards him and bats the ball away and up into the air. James does well to track it and catch it on its way down, getting the tiptoes of both of his feet in as he falls down. Touchdown.

2. Four wide receivers in the game: Bryant, Brown, Rogers, Hunter. Roethilsberger complete to Brown on a speed out to the left.

3. Back to 12 personnel. Ben looks for James on his third read underneath the goal posts. Tyler Matakevich face guards him and has more success, knocking the pass away.

4. Ben looks for Brown on a slant versus Cockrell. Brown throws out a hand for it but can’t haul it in. Incomplete.

5. Jake McGee and Phazahn Odom on a slant/flat. McGee gets bumped off so Josh Dobbs hits Odom, who boxes out Jordan Dangerfield for the score.

6. Empty set. Low snap. Dobbs’ pass incomplete on the left slide between Terrell Watson and DHB.

7. Draw to Knile Davis. Matt Feiler pulling left to right. Davis scores and the offense wins 4-3.

Second Session

1. Run session. Still full tackling. Crazy. Toss right to Fitzgerald Toussaint. Cuts it back, someone grabbed his facemask, and Watt chases it from the backside to make the tackle near the LOS.

2. Moats/Watt at OLB. Knile Davis finds a hole off the right side. Robert Golden is the low man in the alley to finish the play.

3. Cockrell/Sensabaugh first team corners. Bryant and Brown at WR. Watt sheds David Johnson’s block, Davis on the carry. Watt first man there and then Sean Davis flies in to spin Davis down to the ground. Ramon Foster had a good seal on Cam Heyward.

4. Dupree at LOLB. Javon Hargrave continues his domination of B.J. Finney, crossing his face on this zone run. Hargrave finishes the play, tackling Watson in the backfield for a loss of five.

5. Looked like Huguenin beat Villanueva off the edge. Ben complete to Watson on a drag route. Tyler Matakevich bumps his shoulder and sends Watson flying into the ground. “Dirty!” someone called out, praising Dirty Red.

6. Davis up the middle. Heyward first man there and grabs his jersey. But Davis able to spin out of it, cutting to his right, with a coach screaming out “Get him down!” Several Steelers do, including Sean Davis.

7. Roy Philon sheds his block. Watson up the middle. Steven Johnson comes firing in and with one of the most vicious hits of camp, folds Watson down with a helmet-to-helmet hit.

8. Draw to Watson. Walton runs back Friend into Watson, tripping the back up on the line of scrimmage. Watson laying on his back, looking up at the sky, clapping his hands at the missed opportunity.

9. Hawkins false starts. Really nice run by Davis. Jukes either Jacob Hagen or Brian Allen and nearly steps out of Dangerfield’s tackle but Dangerfield stretches out to grab his ankle and trip him down.

10. Matt Galambos fills his gap to take Brandon Brown-Dukes down. Daniel McCullers also falls on him. Tomlin called out to praise Galambos.

11. More pressure from Huguenin. Bart Houston checks in and looks for Jake McGee on the right sideline. Pass high, away, incomplete.

12. Watson up the gut. Galambos, Allen, McCullers in there after a short gain.

Third Session

1. Burns back in opposite Cockrell. Fire X blitz. Roethlisberger hits James on a slant. Burns read it well but couldn’t close in time.

2. Davis good blitz pickup. Heyward gets pressure. Roethlisberger throw in a tight window to Johnson but the pass is off his hands. Vince Williams had pretty good coverage. Made the throw a tough one.

3. William Gay rotating to be a deep half safety. Roethlisberger drag to Eli Rogers right to left. Rogers tips it up but makes the catch the second try, Vince Williams in tow.

4. Roethlisberger complete on a slant to AB versus Cockrell.

5. Dupree and Watt the OLBs. Roethlisberger heave down the right sideline. Burns trailing under. Pass thrown out of bounds, incomplete.

6. Hubbard in at right tackle. Ben’s pass to DHB is incomplete. Cockrell with the coverage. Knile Davis initially stoned Matakevich up the A gap but Matakevich was quick to swim over him.

7. Tyson Alualu left unblocked and pressures Josh Dobbs. Dobbs looks for DHB underneath but Coty Sensabaugh plays the pocket and breaks it up.

8. Martavis Bryant’s first reception. Dobbs hits him on the left sideline. Brian Allen tried to dive out to swat it away but couldn’t.

9. Bad snap. Dobbs stuck in the pocket. Finally dumps it off to Xavier Grimble.

10. Houston looks for Hamilton on the right side. Dixon gets his head around, tips it up once or twice and then brings it in before falling out of bounds. INT.

11. At this point, with the team back down to three OLBs, the Steelers turn to running a 4-2-5 (unless this was planned, which would be quite the story). Kallon-Walton-Hooks-Philon. Hooks tries to get his hand up in Houston’s throwing lane but the pass is complete to Hamilton running a dig.

12. Mike Hilton in the slot. Houston quickly hits Johnson on the right side. Hilton pops him at the end.

Fourth Session

1. Dobbs first team. Screen left to Davis. Finney sticks to VW in space. Two minute drill/hurry up.

2. Dobbs checkdown to Davis out of the backfield.

3. Cover 2. Dobbs complete to Rogers along the right side.

4. Bryant/DHB on the outside, Rogers in the slot. Matakevich has pressure up the middle. Dobbs for DHB down the right sideline. Throw off target, hits DHB’s hand, but wouldn’t count it as a drop. More on the QB.

5. Vince Williams ducks under Chris Hubbard, flushing Dobbs to his left and running out of bounds for a first down.

6. Deep throw down the middle for Xavier Grimble. Williams had coverage and the pass was over his head, splitting the two closing safeties.

7. Good stunt recognition by Foster and Villanueva but Watt was able to dip under Foster. Pass for Dobbs incomplete. High but William Gay made sure to close on the ball.

8. Wasn’t 4th down but Mike Tomlin calls for the third team to come in and reset things. DL of: Walton-McCullers-Hargrave-Alualu. Steven Johnson/LJ Fort at ILB. Housto has Hamilton open along the right side but the pass sails, incomplete.

9. Good pocket by the OL. Houston with an accurate throw, rare for today, downfield for Tucker, Allen in coverage. Tucker may have felt the safety coming over the top and dropped the pass. Right next to Mike Tomlin, too. Oof.

10. Houston complete to Canaan Severin on a curl. Johnson can’t close in time but tosses Severin to the ground.

11. 4th down. Houston wants Hamilton on a comeback to the left but Allen reads it, undercuts the route, and picks it off. Good rep.

Fifth Session

1. More no huddle. Walton-Hargrave-Hooks-Alualu. Golden/Dangerfield at S, Davis held out. Roethlisberger swing pass to Davis to the left.

2. Timing a bit off on Ben’s curl pass to Bryant. Bryant tries to work back for it but it bounces off his left hand, incomplete. Sensabaugh had the coverage.

3. Ben gets Matakevich to tip his blitz on a hard count. Bullet to Bryant on a dig between Sensabaugh and Golden.

4. Roethlisberger complete to Rogers on an out route, Matakevich charging hard behind.

5. DL. Still a four man front. Kallon-McCullers-Brown-Philon. Drag from Ben to Brown but AB actually drops this one. Bobbled it, popped into the air, couldn’t come down with it.

6. Roethlisberger another missile over the middle. Justin Hunter makes the catch, working over Sensabaugh.

7. Dobbs throw to Severn on a short curl over center is off target. Williams comes in for a diving interception. Gets his hands under the ball and looks like a pick, but the ball grazes the ground as VW tries to get up. If the Troy Polamalu/2005 Divisional Game rules apply, not an interception.

8. Philon whoops Mihalik. Dobbs hits Johnson on a curl.

9. Dobbs heaves up a 50/50 ball for Cobi. He high points it over Dixon but loses the ball as he goes to the ground, falling flat on his back, the ball bouncing to the sidelines.

10. Short throw Houston to Severin. Another pop from Hilton, a loud bump, that sent Severin into the ground. Galambos pats him on the head as they walk back to the defensive huddle.

11. Houston finds Jake McGee in the left flat. L.J. Fort in coverage.

12. Allen LCB, Dixon RCB, Hilton in the slot. Houston finishes on a decent note, hitting Hamilton on a dig over the middle. Threw it over Fort’s head.

Final Thoughts

-Sloppy day for QBs across the board. Dobbs wasn’t great and Houston was pretty bad. Haven’t done the numbers but sure the completion percentage was pretty low.

– Just one carry today for Brandon Brown-Dukes. None for Trey Williams, who may still be working his way back from some sort of hamstring injury. Just more reps for Watson.

– Knile Davis continues to impress. Out of the backfield, in pass pro, and his toughness and ability to create as a runner. I kinda like him more, even as just a runner, than Toussaint (who has had a good camp).

– A relatively quiet day back for Bryant. But he looks in tremendous shape, was fluid, and he’ll get some of the timing down shortly.

– Justin Hunter and Eli Rogers…two guys with physical gifts (Hunter height/weight/speed, Rogers’ burst and stop/start ability) who are still having problems with the details of route running. Getting on the same page with Ben Roethlisberger.

– Brian Mihalik didn’t have a great day today. Finney continues to get toasted by Hargrave.

– Roy Philon showed up today in one-on-ones and team drills. Injury to Maxey, who knows what happens.

– Up and down day for Brandon Dixon. Has ball skills, plays physical an aggressive, but it gets him into trouble. Too grabby. Pair of penalties vs the Giants.

– Brian Allen keeps improving in coverage. Looked better in off coverage too. Slowing down for him.

– Greg Ducre healthy, out there, but still haven’t seen him in team drills. Looks like odd man out. Could be cut soon. Maybe tomorrow if they bring in an OLB.

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History Through A Lens

Terry Bradshaw and Terry Hanratty. One had the better career. The other, the better mustache.

St. Vincent Snapshot

Bryant hauling in this pass in warmups.

Ron Swanson Quote Of The Day

“Please, talk more about how you hate Europe and bicycles.” 


About the Author

Alex Kozora

Full-time blogger from mom’s basement. Marrying tape and statistics. Chidi Iwuoma is my favorite Steeler of all-time.

  • Steelers12

    Shoot we might need to give Colin Kaepernick a call. I wonder would Steelers bring in a veteran LB or a relative young LB?

  • Jacob

    Pouncey just had an excused absence today, per the Post Gazette.

  • WreckIess

    Sounds like Artie finally got the best of AB today. That’s great to hea. Especially in a drill as heavily slanted as the WR vs DB drill.

    Watt and Allen have been playing with more confidence from what it sounds like, also.

  • Sam Clonch

    Kap? Do you want to make the completion percentage even worse?

  • Sam Clonch

    Burns more than holding his own before the injury too. AB was under 50% catch rate and 0 TDs.

  • Rob H

    That first paragraph about Sutton was weird, doesn’t matter though, just glad he’s back on the field.
    Hargrave continuing to look beastly, can’t wait to see how they use that line when it counts.
    Nice start to the week for Allen, hope it continues.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    Super Alex! Got this in time to read before GoT.

    Love the old snap. Jim Clack (50) & Moon Mullins (72) behind the QB’s.

  • Steelers12

    Kaep is better than everyone on this roster at QB other than Ben

  • Reggie Cunningham

    I’ll take Ben, Kap and Dobbs

  • falconsaftey43

    Yes he is.

  • Matthew Marczi

    That’s like using a doorway to play limbo.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    No Sammie Coates today?

  • Alex Kozora

    Still on PUP

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    I mean like out there in general.

  • Ray

    Hey Alex Kozora lay off Senquez he can be pick up and come back and haunt us

  • sixnine

    hey Alex…do you see a scenario where Cobi replaces DHB as the last receiver in because they play similar roles as ST players and good blocking wrs? plus Cobi is not as fast but he seems to get open and complete passes downfield more regularly than DHB.Looking like A.B, Bryant,Eli,JuJu,Hunter and Cobi…I think they carry six…

  • Dorian James

    Sounds like they ran quite a few 4-2-5 reps. I like, I like. I hope it continues

  • Alex Kozora

    I would love to see Golson come back. I hope he’s close to a return.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    rough day for hilton.

  • Alex Kozora

    Nah, Cobi nowhere near the ST’er DHB is.

  • Alex Kozora

    They did. But may have been a head count issue. So thin at OLB.

  • Alex Kozora

    Had issues in one on ones but they’re that, one on ones. And being in the slot is tougher. Can’t use sideline to your advantage. He was ok.

  • sixnine

    you’re watching the action live, ill take your word on

  • Ace

    I missed it, was Dupree a full participant?

  • sixnine

    the running back battle sounds pretty heated and will get hotter now than Conner is returning to practice.How do you see that shaking out?

  • Alex Kozora


  • Steelers12

    I just wanna win games. The guy hasn’t broke any laws

  • Ace

    What a relief. How’d he look? Taking her easy or playing at 100? Is that something that is noticeable from your view?

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    He playing for $2.2 million?

  • Alex Kozora

    Didn’t get a great look. Especially them running a 4-2-5 the last two sessions. Didn’t even have any OLBs out there.

  • Alex Kozora

    Oh, he was out there, looking good on the side, like usual.

  • falconsaftey43

    That’s the big question no one talks about when saying he should have a job. How much does he want to be paid?

  • Ace

    Seems like Rogers had a tough time getting on the same page as Ben last year. Someone mentioned maybe that was part of Manny’s demise. Weird how some guys gel with Ben right off and some struggle. I mean, not weird, but I wonder what the secret is. Stoked to hear Allen is having things slow down for him. Gonna be a tough decision, him or Hilton.

  • Steelers12

    Might not have a choice

  • Ace

    What’s so crazy about full tackling at the second session? Do they normally go light after seven shots? Think you’ve mentioned it a couple times, the surprise of the physicality in camp this year. More than last year or other teams and is that a good thing or not? Seems like a lot of guys are dinged right now…

  • Alex Kozora

    Normally, at least as I recall, they go light across the board, especially after the first game. Not much, if any, tackling, with the intensity ramped down.

  • Ace

    Yeah I could see that. Only what 5 days left of camp, probably time to ramp it down a bit, get guys healthy and recovering for the next 3 weeks. Thanks for the insight Alex, very cool of you.

  • Alex Kozora


  • Matthew Marczi

    I was referring to the ease with which a competent quarterback can be better than Jones and Dobbs.

  • Sam Clonch

    On a similar note, saw a few minutes of the Colts/Lions game. Sean Spence seemed to be playing well. Heard he left with a hammy though.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    I just didn’t see his name in any of the notes! Sorry!

  • Steelers12

    Yeah sorry Matt that wasn’t meant to go to u. I understood u completely. But I know how much they love Jones and the big AL situation even though I didn’t take it he was disrespecting the armed forces

  • SteelerNnyc
  • LucasY59

    …in other ex-Steeler news:Terrance Garvin had a pick six for Seattle

  • Darth Blount 47

    You SURE those were “friendlies” flying overhead? Okay, riddle me this…

    Healthy O-Line. Big Ben. A present and motivated Le’Veon Bell. Then: Brown, Bryant, Rogers, and Hunter.

    Please God tell me… HOW DO YOU STOP THIS OFFENSE?!?!?!

    New England: “With camera drones.”

  • Darth Blount 47

    And Tyus Bowser has been a standout at Ratbird Camp…………………

  • Sam Clonch

    Still a lower career completion % than Landry, lol

  • Sam Clonch

    I don’t remember him ever actually being a Steeler though. Would have liked to…

  • LucasY59

    your guy Des King had a INT for the Chargers (and had good hustle to force a fumble that went out of bounds as well)

  • Darth Blount 47

    Only in my dreams…

  • Darth Blount 47

    Are you trying to make me drink, Lucas?! Lol.

  • LucasY59

    naw, u started it by bringing up Bowser…

    If Melifonwu or Kpass play well I might have to get one though

  • Darth Blount 47

    Yuenglings for everyone!

  • AndyR34

    Funny…Clack and Mullins look kind of small. I thought they were large back in the day! Testament to how things have changed.

  • SteelersGeek4Lyfe

    I’d be stoked if we could get KAEP without blowing up our cap sitation

  • Darth Blount 47

    I met a guy at Goodwill yesterday from Pittsburgh. He saw my hat and had to chat. Told me about how he used to party a bit with Mike Webster. The guy said that Webster’s arms were so big, they were as big as his head. He said he knows that, because Webby put him in a headlock one time when the guys were getting a bit rowdy, and it felt like a python squeezing the life out of him. Said Webster was one heck of a guy. A real down-to-earth soul. Said I would have loved him. We were complete strangers and we stood there for over an hour talking. Steeler Nation. Good stuff.

  • Steelers12

    Who was he throwing too? Nobody on Steelers wr level. U comfortable with Jones and dobbs?

  • Sam Clonch

    If Ben goes down, the season’s over anyways. I don’t see any reason to overpay for a backup. Even when he knew the system his team ended up with the #2 overall pick (and he got beat out by Blain Gabbert). If it wasn’t an especially Cleveland year for Cleveland it would have been #1 overall pick too, lol.

  • AndyR34

    Amen to all of that!

  • jesse murray

    You’re the man.

  • Steelers12

    Well i don’t give up that easy, with a viable QB this team could still win. Just let kaep play to his strengths

  • Alex Kozora

    I think I did spot the pilot wearing a hoodie…

  • SteelersGeek4Lyfe

    I agree. At least Kaep has taken a team to the super bowl… I’d rather go down fighting with Colin than rolling over with Jones. As for Dobbs… he may develop, but he’s currently a rookie pegged for the QB3 slot behind Jones, soooo…. yeah

  • Conserv_58

    Chuck Noll: “You practice like you play.” I’m a full believer in that axiom. It is precisely why the Steelers have the reputation of being a very physical team. They are one of a handfull of teams that still conduct old school physical camps. It showed during the Giants’ game.

    I understand the need to lighten up a bit, but there is also a hightened sense of urgency for this team to maximize every practice session. Expectations are very high. They know that they have what it takes to get to the SB. The fact that they only have a one to two year window left with Ben adds to that hightened sense of urgency.

  • Conserv_58

    IMO, there is no tough decision between Allen or Hilton. Both will make the team in some capacity and it will come at Golson’s expense. Given what coach Butler had to say about Golson’s being injured and not available there is no doubt in my mind that Golson will be one of the first cuts. It’s disheartening to see a promising talent lose his opportunity to make the team, but from a business standpoint, it’s ludicrous to keep paying Golson to sit on the sideline in sweats.

  • Conserv_58

    From what I’ve learned, Golson’s ham string injury is deeper than initially diagnosed. If that is the case then I don’t expect to see Golson return any time soon. Add in what coach Butler had to say about his being injured, again and it’s a high probability that Golson is done.

  • Conserv_58

    and you’re surprised?

  • Conserv_58

    I had a similar experience at camp this year when I spent time on two different occasions speaking with Craig Woolfley. We were staying at the same hotel. We hit it off right away, mostly because I’m older and wasn’t star struck. It was just two older guys that had a mutual, down-to-earth discussion about our families and the Steelers. Woolfey is a great guy and someone I could spend hours with.

  • Conserv_58

    Working against one of the top three WR’s in the NFL will do that. Artie is showing exponential growth having to defend AB. On the flip side, with Artie improving as well as he is, AB is having to bear down even more to win the battle of attrition.

    It sure is good news seeing Allen becoming more comfortable with learning his position.

  • falconsaftey43

    Burns, Cockrel, Gay, Sensabaugh, Sutton, Hilton, Allen. 7 CBs is a lot.

  • Conserv_58

    Refusing to respect the national anthem based on a delusional and warped sense of reality is absolutely disrespecting the armed forces.

  • lyke skywalker

    15 years from now he’ll take a knee for 2.2 mil.

  • Conserv_58

    Actually it would be six if they place Allen on the PS.

  • jsteeler

    The National Anthem was a poem written by a slave owner while African Americans were still slaves.
    The song is a a disgrace to black people because it celebrates slavery and the killing of slaves. This same thing is happening today to free citizens. For you to defend a flag & a song over a Human Beings life is equivelent to you being a part of the problem. I served so humans can protest anything we as Americans see wrong. Kaep, Was exercising his 1st amendment right to peacefully protest the killing of unarmed Black Men and to you respecting the singing a song about killing black people is more important than protesting about the killing of Black people?
    Wow, I am learning about what kind of people Steeler Nation are everyday on these threads and It is not looking good.
    As a retired Army Officer, I and other servicemen salute Colin for bringing this racism to light. As an American, You should too. But, this will never happen. Thank you Conserv_58 for exposing your racist view to Steeler Nation.

  • Dorian James

    I hope not, they should give it some serious consideration.

  • Gluebucket

    I’d rather have Maurkice Pouncey play backup QB than Kaepernick. While I do disagree with his positions, that is not my reasoning. I just don’t want the circus that comes along with him. And I really don’t think he’s that good of a QB.

  • george

    I think this whole discussion is moot unless Jones’ injury is severe. We all know that the Steelers like Jones better than 80% of the back up QBs out there. They only keep 2 QBs on the roster so It’s Ben, Jones and Dobbs inactive. The only way the Steelers get a veteran QB FA is if Ben has a severe injury in which case it doesn’t matter who we have under center.

  • george

    I met a guy in a Phoenix grocery store. Same situation, saw my steeler hat and started to chat. Turns out he was the center on the steelers when they got Johnny Unitas. Unitas gets sent to Green Bay and he the guy got cut.

  • WreckIess

    Kaepernick has thrown exactly 12x as many passes as Landry Jones has and Landry’s completion percentage is only .5 higher than Kaepernick’s even though he clearly hasn’t thrown anywhere close to the amount of passes that Kaep has. This is a terrible comparison.

  • Sam Clonch

    Than you won’t like hearing that Landry’s winning percentage is better too, hahaha

  • Steelers12

    Ok I respect your opinion

  • Steelers12

    We disagree on that

  • Steelers12

    Yeah by no means am I giving up on Dobbs

  • Steelers12

    But yet u support the NFL who makes the armed forces pay for their own tributes?

  • Chris Bolden

    So jsteeler it was actually a song wrote by a poet. It was always meant to be a song. Tell me where in the song it celebrates slavery or killing of slaves.

  • capehouse

    The 3rd verse mentions slaves that escaped their masters and fought and died for the British during the war of 1812.

  • Real

    forgot to mention: Smith-Schuster

  • Thomas

    “Farrington Huguenin suffered a left shoulder injury” didn’t he have the same thing before?

  • Alex Kozora

    I am not positive what he had before. It was never made public. I don’t think it was his shoulder though.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    There’s usually notes of him running or whatever on the sidelines. No notes whatsoever of him.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    According to Football Reference Clack was 250 & Mullins 244. Ben would look like a giant next to them. I always thought the olone was so huge in the 70’s.

  • Ace

    Yeah that’s what i mean by the decision between BA and MH. Who makes the 53, who goes to the PS. My guess is Hilton is on the roster, with Allen seasoning his game on the PS until injury dictates a call up. Everyone worried about BA getting plucked, but I think Hilton would be more at risk.

  • WreckIess

    I don’t care about some cherry picked and misleading stats Because I know you know that they’re cherry picked and misleading lol.

  • kevin Duffin

    Al Woods is on the Colts also. Not sure how well he’s playing though

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    JSteeler –

    The National Anthem was a poem written about the British Army’s ambush attack on America in September of 1814 (very similar to the attacks on September 11, 2001) and the people who died defending us. It is not a song about slavery it is a song about freedom. Its purpose was to highlight the good in America. The courage. The unity. The fortitude to stand together against people who tried to kill and destroy our country.

    When we sing the anthem today, it is one of the few moments our country can put aside all that is wrong in America and focus on what makes us good. The freedoms. The accepting of different views. The people who died to protect this country. That we can live in different neighborhoods with different cultures and different struggles and cheer for different teams but still stand united.

    The fact that you can look past all of that GOOD and allow yourself to get offended by one line in the third verse tells a lot about yourself as a person. Go ahead and name me a few of your favorite songs. (Please feel free to use rappers/hip hoppers/etc.) And I’ll go dig up some dirt on those artists and post it here and we’ll see if you disavow them as well.

    Slavery was an ugly part of our past. It was a common and legal practice (in 1814) which we now know was a huge mistake (in 2017). But if you’re going to disavow Francis Scott Key because he was a slave owner then you better disavow the entire country and move somewhere else, because so was George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers.

    My biggest issue is… don’t be a hypocrite. If you can’t support the National Anthem because it was written during a time of slavery, that’s fine. But how can you support a country that was founded during a time of slavery? How can you live in a house in country that once practiced slavery back in 1814? How can you serve in a military and accept a paycheck from a government that once supported slavery back in 1814?

    Kaepernick and Lynch and Bennett aren’t willing to stand for the anthem of America but they’re sure willing to accept their paycheck from America. I don’t see them protesting that. I don’t see them giving up their American houses or their American cars or their American yachts. They are fine with accepting all the good amenities that come from America (despite the history of slavery) but they can’t accept all the good lyrics in the anthem (despite the one line about slavery).

    You see the hypocrisy?

  • Biggie

    Glad Sutton is in pads but Golson, Chickillo, Adams and Ayers better get back soon or they may lose their opportunity. Golson may already be done.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    JSteeler –

    And one more thing…

    I am not blind to the problems in this country. I see the mistreatment of black people. I see the unfairness. I see the double standards. I see the prejudices and discriminations. And I acknowledge that we all have to work together to eliminate these problems.

    But notice the words… WORK TOGETHER.

    These problems don’t get solved by offending each other. If I’m a white man who is concerned about the amount of violence black people commit in this country, I don’t walk into a black church and hold up a white gloved fist in the middle of the preacher’s sermon. And why not?

    Because it is OFFENSIVE. There are better, more effective ways to protest than to offend the very people you’re trying to work with, in an arena where they’re trying to focus on the good.

    But wait. It’s a “peaceful” protest. It’s my “right” under the constitution to hold up a white glove in a black neighborhood. I’m just “bringing the issue to light”… right?

    I’m afraid it doesn’t work that way. There are better ways to reach out to people.

    I don’t know you personally. I’m sure you are a great guy who loves your family and works hard to support them. I have nothing against you. But look at your comment to Conserve 58 where you say: “Thank you … for exposing your racist view.”

    How does that comment help the situation? You are spewing hatred just like you are accusing him of doing. That is WHY the problem of racism has persisted so long in this country. Because of hated. On both sides.

    If you truly want to improve things in this country, offending people is not the best route.

    Just my opinion.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Naw, I can’t get him on the field at the same time as Bell, Brown, Bryant, Rogers, and Hunter. That would be 12 guys. I’m sure if I were the Pats, they’d let me get away with it. Lol. I’ve been really high on Hunter since we signed him. And so far, I think he looks really good. Maybe you could sub out Rogers for JJSS, but man that would be a lot of guys doing the same things. I do think the future for JuJu appears to be pretty bright though. Love how Hines has taken him under his wing.

  • capehouse

    How the heck do you equate the bombardment of Fort McHenry to 9/11?

  • Conserv_58

    You have your opinions and I have mine. It doesn’t make yours or my point of view better than the other, just different. What you learned is that we are a diverse group of people with differing opinions. I happen to disagree with you. I never said that Kap couldn’t exercise his first amendment rights. Furthermore, I am adamant about the fact that he has no right to interfere with my right to watch a football game without having to endure their personal political issues and agendas.

    You calling me a racist just proves you’re quick to label people without knowing what you’re talking about.

    Have a nice day.

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Study your history. It wasn’t just the bombardment of Fort McHenry that went into the story of the national anthem. There’s a lot more.

    The British navy had placed an embargo along the eastern seaboard but their military forces had never actually come ashore. In the fall 1814 the Red Coat soldiers came ashore on rowboats and marched straight toward our capitol (Washington D.C.).

    It was a well calculated ambush attack (just like 9/11). They killed American heroes in Bladensburgh who scrambled to their country defense (just like the service men in the towers on 9/11). They targeted important American buildings, burning down the White House + Capitol building + Library of Congress (just like they targeted the Pentagon + Twin Towers + White House on 9/11). Those actions put the American citizens in a state of panic and confusion (much like our reaction on 9/11). Francis Scott Key was left to wait and watch and hope that more people weren’t killed and that the American military men could defend us from further damage, which they did (just like we hoped our military could stop further terrorist attacks after 9/11, which they did). Only 3 times in our country’s history has anyone attacked us on American soil. The attack on D.C./Baltimore in 1812. The attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. And the attack on NYC/D.C. in 2001.

    How could you NOT equate the two?

  • nutty32

    Kaep plays the wrong style for the Steelers. He’s still a one read college QB. Mike Vick sure stunk up the place before you know who brought some semblance of continuity to the pro style steeler O.

  • nutty32

    I don’t agree with what he did but are you sure he was disrespecting the national anthem & military? Can see how it can be seen that way but reality is he was doing no such thing. I just think he’s a dumb kid that didn’t even bother to vote; too busy picking out the power fro to be bothered.

  • capehouse

    The President had signed a declaration of war against Great Britain 2 years earlier. We were at war. That’s how. How do you equate men at war with the cowardly acts of the al-Qaeda on 9/11?

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    Yes but how many battles had we fought with Great Britain in those two years?… Zero… You can declare war all you want but if you never fight, what kind of war is that?

    They were taking pot shots at each other from ship cannons for two years. It was basically a seabound embargo. The fall of 1814 was the first time a British soldier actually stepped foot on U.S. soil.

    I agree with you 100% that the acts of 9/11 were cowardly. But I also feel the Red Coats night time ambush/burning of library of congress building was pretty cowardly as well.

    The larger point of my post was that there is more GOOD in the national anthem than just a random outdated line in the 3rd verse.

  • capehouse

    There was way more than zero battles and it wasn’t the first time a British regular stepped on US soil. Hundreds died on both sides of the war before fall 1814.