Steelers Vs Falcons: Winners And Losers


As usual, your winners and losers from the Pittsburgh Steelers 17-13 win over the Atlanta Falcons.

WINNERS

Jordan Berry:  For a long time, it felt like Berry was going to be the only bright spot of the day. While his average doesn’t look impressive on paper, seven of his eight punts landed inside the 20. His hangtime and directional punting looked fantastic as he builds on a successful 2016 season.

Stephon Tuitt: Tuitt was one of the few starters who played well. He finished the day with three tackles, two solo, but landed several hard hits and was a backfield nuisance throughout the first quarter.

Martavis Bryant: We are really basing this off one catch but man, it was a pretty one. Bryant caught a back shoulder fade from Josh Dobbs in the first half. He played a high amount of snaps, showing off improved conditioning, and is rounding back into form.


Roosevelt Nix: Nix cemented his path to making the Steelers with a preseason punt block against the Carolina Panthers. This time around meant a lot less to him but Nix’s halftime punt block served as a reminder to how good he is. His lead blocking wasn’t half-bad either.

Anthony Chickillo: A perennial camp star, Chickillo did his best Arthur Moats impression, recording two sacks against the Falcons. Though it was no surprise to see a veteran shine, it was good to see after he missed the preseason opener with a hip flexor injury.

Trey Williams: Maybe the guy who made the most money today. Or at least, a chance to reevaluate his practice squad chances. An undersized but shifty running back hindered by a hamstring injury in camp, Williams gave the Steelers the spark they needed, returning a punt 64 yards for a score in the third quarter. He made two defenders miss initially, darted upfield, and then cut back inside the five to carry the ball over the goal line.

L.T. Walton: Filling in for Javon Hargrave, Walton did well to hold the point of attack versus the run and managed to get some penetration on zone schemes. He’s clearly sitting pretty as the top backup at the nose. Bye bye Big Dan.

Jake McGee: All he does is block. But block he does well. He isn’t anything more than a below average athlete but has the ability to get out in space and set his hips. Big asset on those Counter Trey runs the Steelers love to utilize. Making a strong case to nab a practice squad spot.

Jordan Dangerfield: The man who gets no respect. Two interceptions in this one and a big thud on a special teams tackle. I’ll have to check the last time a Steeler picked off a pair in a preseason game.

LOSERS

Josh Dobbs: Again, better days are ahead and while Dobbs has had the unique chance to start both games, it’s also come against first team NFL defenses. That’s clearly difficult. While drops from guys like James Conner did him no favors, Dobbs’ accuracy on short/intermediate routes were again an issue. At least twice did he whiff on a slant. Later in the game, against backups, he made the boneheaded decision of trying to flip the ball underhanded to McGee, picked off by a safety.

He finished the day just 10/19 for 70 yards and the interception.

Matt Feiler: Feiler earned the start for Ramon Foster and though it’s hard to gauge a linemen’s performance the first time through, it looked shaky. He gave up an early sack on a missed stunt to DT Grady Jarrett, a product of not getting work with Alejandro Villanueva. I think he got better as the game progressed but an ugly start.

Secondary/Golden/Cockrell: The elephant in the room. Though I think some fans would content an elephant would’ve covered better. You can apply this to the whole secondary or focus in on Ross Cockrell and Robert Golden, the two biggest victims of the Falcons’ passing attack. Cockrell got toasted downfield and Atlanta threw dig after dig Golden’s way with little resistance.

Cobi Hamilton: I guess you could argue Hamilton wasn’t needed with the Steelers wanting to get a long look at Justin Hunter and Sammie Coates but Marcus Tucker played over him, a big red flag for Hamilton’s chances. He didn’t see the field on offense until there were about two minutes left in the game.

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  • Chris92021

    I would also put Sammie Coates on the losers’ list. Harsh I know since this was his first action of the season after coming off the PUP list but he is still the same guy who doesn’t do well with “combat catches” and still does not catch/try to catch the ball above his head.

    I would put Mike Hilton on the winners’ list. Two straight solid to strong outings. I would love to see him get the start on Saturday against Indy.

  • melblount

    “Losers…
    Secondary/Golden/Cockrell”

    Nice presentation of this, Alex. The boards are lighting up Cockrell, but it’s hard for me to single him out as others have, given that virtually EVERY Falcon receiver was WIDE OPEN in the 1st half, regardless of who was (trying to/supposed to be) covering them.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Bryant is a pretty big stretch on the winners list Alex but outside of him I agree. He had the fumble and missed a catch the great ones should come down with. No way he belongs with just 1 catch.

    Heck, Hunter probably deserves a place over him for at least having a TD catch.

  • ND_Steel

    Winner…Danny Smith! Come on, this isn’t going to happen very often…

  • ND_Steel

    V Williams and Matakevich deserve the losers’ list. Not good in coverage or run.

  • Josh Gustad

    Cobi Hamilton is a perfect example of how small your window really is. Went from 53 man roster and logging a decent amount of snaps, to barely getting any snaps in a preseason game. Wish Cobi the best! Seems like a hard working guy.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Take Bryant off he in no way was good in this game IMO and put Huguenin and Fort who both played well.

  • RickM

    Vince Williams was beaten in coverage 4 times in less than one half of football. At some point objectivity has to take over in the evaluation of his pass coverage abilities, as opposed to fandom. He should be on the Loser’s List. I’m not sure Tyler M. had a much better first half, but he’s not projected as a starter. All in all, we desperately need Ryan Shazier back.

  • melblount

    Agreed. Actually 2 catches for 20 yards, the big gainer though could have been OPI. BAD ball security on the fumble. Definitely not deserving of being a “Winner,” unless grading includes finally getting his butt back onto an NFL field.

  • Jason

    I agree. Bryant looked clumsy and rusty. Maybe to be expected but certainly not a winner today.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Cut Goldens now

  • ND_Steel

    From a PS standpoint, some good winners…Trey Williams, Malik Golden, and McGee (as long as David Johnson is around I think best he can hope for is PS).

  • CP72

    Danny Smith was a winner. I actually missed Landry Jones. Definitely a pre-season game.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Dirty red got beat on 4 plays in the first quarter and a half from what I saw from the 30 yard line. They were all right in front of ms.

  • Alex Kozora

    Right. Like the Pats game last year. Can’t blame one dude.

  • Chris92021

    I agree with you. However, VW will likely not play as much either since the Steelers are likely going to go with a 3-3-5/5-2-5 alignment more often than a 3-4 base. VW is going to be good in run downs and red zone/goal to go situations. Most of us knew that VW is a liability in coverage and I hope Butler and Porter won’t put VW in situations where he will fail because he lacks the speed and athleticism to keep up with even average tight ends.

  • Alex Kozora

    I MISSED MY CHANCE

  • Shannon Stephenson

    agreed….great to see him out there but it does not warrant being a winner just because he participated…I think Harrison would frown on this…lol

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Fort is a winner he was everywhere.

  • Steelers12

    He will get picked up no doubt

  • ND_Steel

    Yep, guy is not as physically “gifted”, but all he seems to do is produce (except for the crucial drop against NE…dammit).

  • Reggie Cunningham

    My opinion. I think we need to say goodbye to Cockrell, Golden and Gay. I don’t know how Golden is over Dangerfield. We need to make some trades or wait till this big cut down. I know it preseason but this secondary needs some changes. We need a couple of good vet in the secondary

  • RickM

    Thanks for the stat. It was a totally discouraging effort from VW and TM. Maybe it was just a really off day. I hope so.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Both sides got away with calls that should have been blatantly obvious. Like the offensive pass interference when the falcon shoved down the cb right in front of ref.

  • Chris92021

    I didn’t. Dobbs and Houston were bad but Jones is just as bad as they are. At least Dobbs and Houston have built-in excuses of being rookies. Plus the Steelers did something for the first time since 2012: they won more than 1 preseason game. Jones remember had trouble beating even 4th stringers.

  • Rusted Out

    It was the usual suspects in the secondary in the opening and second Falcon’s drive. Golden, Gay, and Cockrell stood out to me. I saw quite a bit of off coverage with huge cushions given up to the receivers. This is still by far the most concerning thing to me entering the season. Mitchell will be back and keep Golden on the pine where he belongs, but can someone….. anyone… please… step up and bump William Gay down the depth chart!

  • Steve Johnson

    I agree. And the Steelers will look like idiots keeping DHB or Coates instead. DHB has done NOTHING!

  • Michael Mosgrove

    The whole game was atrocious until the return td.

  • capehouse

    Disagree about Feiler. I think AV should be charged with that sack. Was Feiler supposed to block both defenders himself? AV got duped and just stood there.

    Vince Williams looked ok but allowed a few receptions and along with Cockrell, Golden and Matakevich were exposed on defense.

    Up and down day for James Conner, but I thought he looked good running the ball. Just was taken down too easily, tripped up, even stumbling over himself once. Clearly the 2nd best RB we have though.

    Grimble dropped another pass? Should be a loser. Tired of this guy.

  • Chris92021

    Agreed. If Steven Johnson’s injury keeps him out of Saturday’s game, Fort has a strong chance to make the team in week 1. Love his effort and production thus far.

  • CP72

    Jones is 2-2 against 1st stringers in his career. If God forbid Ben went down there’s no way I’d want Dobbs out there. No slam on Dobbs, but he’s not ready for real NFL snaps.

  • Q Fourtyfive Unowho

    Mike Hilton omitted from the winners list ??

  • capehouse

    2nd week in a row.

  • Rusted Out

    I also have no idea why Golden is over Dangerfield.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Well you are mostly right. Mitchell isn’t great in coverage either though so there won’t be much difference there. Basically every guy we have gives up the first downs and then can lay good wood.

    We just have to hope Burns and Davis take big leaps this year. And maybe like Sutton will come out of nowhere midseason and give us something. Can’t count out Hilton either. That dude is making the 53.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Biggest loser: Big Ben.

    Why?

    Because he could have had a pass-catching TE via the draft rather than a backup to his backup.

    .

  • RickM

    It’ll be interesting to see what alignments they go with. I think VW is better than he showed today, but the ILB was very discouraging in the first half…especially when we know the fragility of Shazier.

  • ND_Steel

    We picked up Cockrell off the street and he almost immediately became a starter…here’s to hoping we do it again (or make any kind of move) for his replacement!

  • melblount

    On Josh Dobbs…Never in a million years did I think I would ever hear myself say, “I can’t wait to get Landry Jones back.”

    But…I said it last week. I screamed it this week.

    I know. I know It’s his first two NFL PRESEASON games, but he’s been horrific in both with NO signs that his act is gonna get any better anytime soon.

  • Alex Kozora

    I didn’t think he did anything great in coverage, did he?

  • Eric Whyuwannaknow

    Dude is in the right place when he’s out there. I thought he was a winner as well. I’m officially on his fan wagon to make the squad and he should.

  • Chris92021

    I don’t want Dobbs out there either but that doesn’t make me pine for Landry Jones. And let’s not forget, those two wins came against the Browns, one of them being when Big Ben came in relief and won the game (the Antonio Brown front flip game) and the other one was in OT against a 1-14 team. There is a deep cliff in regards to talent after Big Ben. Jones gives me no comfort whatsoever. Dobbs might look lost now but there is perhaps hope for the future.

  • CP72

    Maybe Landry Jones and Mike Mitchell aren’t that terrible after all 🙂

  • Bruce

    I’m sure the Steelers will be scouring the waiver wire on Sept 2nd, maybe looking for a trade also, DBs look really weak!

  • Alex Kozora

    I think it’s fair to assume Feiler was at fault. And really, you could blame it on a lack of reps.

    For Vince, not a great game, but some of that stuff was in zone and I don’t put that all on him. Had the big BU on 3rd down near the GL.

    Yeah, Conner salvaged his day. Fair point on Grimble.

  • RickM

    Guess I missed last week’s poor performance. This one was just plain bad, and they had a lot of company in that first 30 minutes.

  • ND_Steel

    Legit…but when you openly contemplate retirement…

  • Rusted Out

    That’s a good point, although it’s rare you can find a solid guy like that. I’d much rather someone new take command of that nickel position. Gay is finished in this league.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Mitchell plays out of position. He’s an ss not fs.

  • Chris92021

    I will say our primary defensive players will be:
    DL: Tuitt, Hargrave, Heyward
    Edge: Watt/Harrison, Dupree
    ILB: Shazier
    Secondary: Burns, Davis, Mitchell, Gay, anyone but Cockrell but probably will be Cockrell.

    In run situations, we will probably see Williams in there in place of Gay.

  • Q Fourtyfive Unowho

    If I’m not mistaken he got his hands on a couple balls..one nearly a pick..

  • Michael Mosgrove

    He had a couple pass break ups. Was solid when put in.

  • Chris92021

    If Burns and Davis do take big leaps, we are definitely going to be a Super Bowl team.

  • Kevin Artis

    I thought Coates did well just catching the ball with his hands and not his body. Justin Hunter could of been on the losers’ list.

  • Q Fourtyfive Unowho

    Yes very solid..and solid in run support

  • Rusted Out

    Agreed, but even Big Ben doesn’t have much pull when it comes to the draft. They definitely needed to add some talent at TE.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Swapping Davis and Mitchell would do wonders.

  • RickM

    Agree about Grimble. Over and over we read about this is his opportunity. He just doesn’t have the tools to be a good TE.

  • Eric Whyuwannaknow

    I wouldn’t say Dobbs has been horrific, but that shot put attempt of a pass that ended up being an INT he just cannot do. Punting isn’t so bad in that spot, but giving the other team good field position is way worse. He needs to get that out of his system asap.

  • Kevin Artis

    Have to agree here. Plus our pass rush was not there either. Watt came back down to earth and Moats did nothing against their ones.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I don’t know enough about Davis in the backend to agree or disagree but I have always said I would prefer Mitchell in the box. Dude loves to hit, problem is he isn’t the greatest tackler. But I guess if you limit his space that should benefit him.

  • Kevin Artis

    He’ll land on someones’ roster. Don’t think Justin Hunter makes it either.

  • Chris92021

    Hunter did not really separate himself from this race despite the TD. I agree with you he could have been on the losers’ list.

  • ND_Steel

    I think both need to go (I may be a bit rough on Cockrell, but that was ugly today). Shame because I like Gay, he’s just not getting it done anymore, though he may be the best we have. Also, if the FO does go and get someone, he might not be “Tolmin’s guy” ala Boykin and sit anyway. Cockrell is “obviously” a Tomlin guy!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    To be fair, the Falcons had the Pats on the ropes in the SB so they are no slouches either. And they utilized their starting QB whereas we did not.
    But disappointing to see the poor performance of our secondary and I will be watching the tape to more closely focus on our DBs.
    Alex, Mitchell is our secondary leader (along with Willie Gay) so do you think that his absence has been a major contributor to the two game streak of lackluster performance?

  • Steve Johnson

    Winners? 2/3 string Secondary, they played much better than the starters. Alex, who is that other #30, the Safety from Penn State? Connor looked good; Hilton looked good for the 2nd straight week; Brian Allen? He must be doing ok, teams aren’t throwing his way. The OLB, the back-up? I think his nickname is Big Red.

  • H.K. northern cali

    Were was the pass-rush??

  • Kevin Artis

    Agree with both. Can definitely see the rust. Fort and Hilton should be on the winners’ list.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Exactly. In box means shorter angles. Less reaction time for them and bigger hits. Davis is faster and ranger. He should be at fs.

  • Kevin Artis

    I agree. We might want to give Fort some snaps with the ones.

  • H.K. northern cali

    Cb in the 1st rd next yr??

  • Steve Johnson

    Mitchell is overrated big time. The middle of the field will get torched once again. Sean Davis? Still a poor tackler.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    He looks rusty, PARTICULARLY on the fumble play (he stumbled on his own prior to contact and the fumble).
    I am not worried about him at all for regular season play.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Dirty Red PLOWED on the first ATL TD run.

  • WreckIess

    Really good game by Burns today. He stuck to everyone he covered like glue. This is potentially very bad news for Cockrell if he doesn’t improve his play. He played well last week, but today was rough for him. The wideouts only get better from here so it’s time to step up.

    Golden and Matekevich aren’t making anyone forget Mike Mitch or Shazier either. Not sure if they’re built for their roles with the limitations they have.

    Lastly, I don’t think I need to see much more from Dobbs this year. Obviously he’s going to play, but damn is he bad. He makes the easiest plays in football look like, well, rocket science. Somehow he’s making me miss Landry Jones.

  • Rusted Out

    He did get trucked, but he was the only person to even touch that RB that had a head of steam.

  • Rocksolid20

    And Butler , he dialed up some good blitzes today .

  • Chris92021

    Malik Golden.

  • Steve Johnson

    Landry Jones is looking pretty good right now. Not giving up on Dobbs after two Preseason Games though. Remember, both games this kid went up against starters in the first two QTR’s. But, I agree, he looked pretty bad today.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I think Dobbs can potentially settle in. It seems to me like he just can’t get into a rythm. They need to give him like 5 really easy plays to start the game and then let him sling it. And in fairness he did have a few drops from his guys that could have been keys to springing a nice drive. One that sticks out is Conner dropping that clear first down pass.

    One concern is he throws high a lot and those are the most pickable balls in football.

  • Rocksolid20

    Fort was steady .

  • Rocksolid20

    He is good at drawing deep , pass interferance calls .

  • StillersInThe6

    Josh Dobbs is starting to spark Dennis Dixon memories. Never a good thing, sigh.

  • Riverstko

    I know he always seemed to be a ss to me.

  • Rocksolid20

    and had a fumble .

  • RickM

    Fort looked good, but against weaker players. But it may be worth a shot. Vince’s recognition today was poor. A couple of times guys came into his zone and he just didn’t pick them up well. I think he’s better than he showed but this was a dud. He had one nice break-up near the goalline but it was a very short pass and not an overly challenging coverage. Hopefully this was just a bad day.

  • RevDrEBuzz

    Bart Houston looked better than Dobbs, all things being equal.

  • ND_Steel

    Probably one of the biggest losers tonight, shame.

  • sixnine

    i really feel we will be wasting a spot if we carry D.H.B…Geez, the guy can get open but boy he cant catch a cold!I love his presence but we look like we have numerous S.T demons this year.We will see how it shakes out but he scares me if he has to step into a major offensive role at some point this year.

  • Rusted Out

    Yea, I completely agree with you, although I think this was just a bad showing by Cockrell, but it’s become the norm for Gay. Realistically I was just hoping for one of the new DB additions to take over the 3rd spot. Outside of finally drafting Burns with the first pick, they just have not had any talent at corner since Ike hung them up. You need three solid corners to match the top teams in this league, and the Steelers still don’t have it.

  • jesse murray

    Heyward and Hargave until he came off both looked really sharp. Middle of D is major concern. Vince Williams cannot cover. Teams will attack him. I’d frankly rather see Fort or Johnson play. Steelers don’t need a 1990s thumper at ILB. Losers add William Gay. He had as poor an outing as I can recall.

  • Rocksolid20

    Ben lobbied for a tall WR and FO drafted Bryant , sounds like he has pull .

  • sixnine

    Not equal….he played against 4Th stringers.

  • The Chin

    Agree. Very solid. I thought Vinnie was very pedestrian. Can’t cover and was a non factor in the run game.

  • jesse murray

    Coates actually showed very well. He caught underneath passes with hands and fought for yardage. If you are basing his play on one piss poor throw from Dobbs on a deep ball…you’re being harsh to say the least.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    DHB’s hands aren’t any worse than Coates or Bryant. I don’t know why people always talk about him like he has never caught a ball.

  • Rocksolid20

    It’s not rocket science , is it ?

  • Rusted Out

    LOL, yea I’m sure Ben’s want list is Colbert’s top priority.

  • John Pennington

    Another missed tackle by Gay and Ross gets burned again nothing new same people messing up like last year.

  • Rocksolid20

    Connor can’t catch a cold ! 0 for 3

  • The Chin

    Agreed

  • jesse murray

    Not true. There was a reason Falcons threw at Burns x 1 an it wasn’t because guys he was covering were wide open. Vince Williams coverage was every bit as poor as Golden and RC. If Williams starts I have 0 confidence in him. He flat out scares me covering a piece of concrete in space.

  • jesse murray

    Burns looked very good, yes RC and Golden (who needs to get cut) were awful but Burns looked part.

  • Dorian James

    My boy dirty red probably deserved an L today as well, I give a W to the second,and third unit too they definitely took the bad taste out of my mouth left by the starting defense

  • jesse murray

    Or maybe we shouldn’t over-react to 1 pre -season game where Steelers had 9 starters sitting on the bench.

  • RickM

    I actually thought Dobbs might play well with over 2 full quarters against back-ups, given how he played against 2nd and 3rd-stringers last week. I couldn’t have been more wrong. I’ll never write a rookie QB off after two games, but that was awful today.

  • sixnine

    come on Phil…you are a veteran poster to this site.You are gonna tell me D.H.B excites you when you see him on offense? has he even caught A ball in the preseason?

  • jesse murray

    Watt had 3 pressures, played well v run and again looked smooth in coverage. Just because he didn’t register a sack doesn’t mean he played poorly. BTW the Steelers had 5 or 6 sacks.

  • RickM

    Yes, but can Hargrave stay healthy? I am getting worried. Two concussions and he hasn’t even started his second season. Man we find seemingly a really, really good one and a concern like this crops up. Hope he can put the concussions behind him.

  • sixnine

    guys…Im starting to drink the Mike Hilton kool aid.This guy seems to be rock solid, always seems like he is a milli sec away from making a game changing play.Will Gay better watch out!

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Man, I never said he excites me. I am talking purely about the hands argument. Coates and Bryant were both known for having questionable hands coming out of college and have shown as much in the NFL. Bryant can be a different level of player but as far as I am concerned you can lump Coates, DHB, and Hunter all in a similar category with each other. Mostly 1 route guys with questionable hands. Coates and Hunter are more physical and DHB is faster.

  • walter

    Chickadillo!

  • jesse murray

    Oy there is 0 way I keep Hamilton over Coates. Coates is far, far better player it isn’t even close.

  • RickM

    Easier competition, but more composed for sure.

  • jesse murray

    Gay was one of the best slot CBs in the league last year.

  • Rusted Out

    Bwahahaha what? Did Pro-Football Focus say that? Gay is finished in this league.

  • eric

    Seriously though, take away the int and the poor pass on the slant to Hunter (hit it later in the game) and you’re left with 3 drops and a questionable no call PI on Bryant. So he he could have EASILY been 13-18(take away for the PI) probably over 100yds if Conner catches his. Then everyone sings a different tune. The comments on here are nothing short of laughable. What did Landry do last preseason, throw 4 or 5 ints in one game.vs scrubs.

  • sixnine

    thats my point! If its 2 slots left at wr…who do you carry? a veteran that you know is at his ceiling or go with the 2 young guys upside.If i want guys that might not impact my game plan every week, Im keeping hunter and Coates because they are younger…

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I guess it depends. I am big on leadership in the locker room (especially given guys like AB, Bell, and Bryant and some of their behaviors) so I like having guys like DHB even if they offer a little less. Especially if we are talking the bottom of the depth chart.

    Now if I thought Coates could be the next Bryant, I would probably lean towards him but I don’t think he gets there. Just doesn’t seem to have it like that.

  • RevDrEBuzz

    All things being equal, he had greater presence, and completed some nice passes. Of course the end of the game isn’t the best measurement, but he looked good.

  • AustinTxStillerFan

    My bold prediction for the final 53 WR’s: AB, MB, Eli, JuJu, Coates, and …. Marcus Tucker. Flame away.

  • WeWantDaTruth

    The pass rush really wasn’t there today. I don’t recall any sacks against Atlanta’s first or second string offense. TJ was solid against the run today, but didn’t get close to the QB.

  • SteelerNnyc

    LOL! Cobi Hamilton as a LOSER? He didn’t even play. So…Big Ben is a loser too? You must really needed to get more words and characters in this article. WOW! He played the ENTIRE game last week, minue 3-4 minutes. How about the coaching staff wanted to see what the others could do?! Dude, Hamilton still has the most yards as a WR this preseason. oh, and don’t say he was playing against backups because Coates. Hunter, DHB and Eli were too today. Oh my goodness! Unbelievable. Cobi is just as good as DHB, you guys just like DHB more…ugh…hahaha this is almost comical! Cobi Hamilton on the loser list…

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Alex I can’t wait for the season to start. These are some of my favorite threads and there always seems to be 1 guy each week I go after you for lol.

  • sixnine

    Honestly Phil, I like Cobi more than the 3 guys we mentioned.Sometimes you have to look beyond the measurables and look for guys that show up in games.He isnt as fast as DHB, Coates or Hunter but I feel like he is a gamer…just my opinion.

  • Steelers12

    I think Coates n Hunter stay and DHB goes

  • Phil Brenneman II

    You know, I don’t really disagree. My main issue for Hamilton is that I don’t know how reliable that one big play will be. It is a fact he has had some very nice 3rd down conversions and a TD in that first preseason game was nice too, but then he just disappears. And I can’t remember if he offers anything on ST and guys at the bottom typically have to add value there.

    I do think you bring up a good point in things outside of the measurables and that goes back to my leadership stuff with DHB. Nothing about his locker room conduct will show up on a stat sheet but I think it is important all the same.

  • RickM

    He had about 6 completions from 0-3 yards. Sorry saying he could have been 13 for 18 is utterly meaningless. He was really bad today, far worse than last week. Trying to deny that is frankly amazing. And that comes from a guy who predicted he would have a good game.

  • Gregg

    Make all the excuses for him you want….it was a wasted pick.

  • SteelerNnyc

    Where? When is the last time you’ve seen Coates do anything besides get hurt?

  • Jason Dock Dudley

    coates is not in any race

  • sixnine

    Agree! do you think he is the most influential person in the locker room? If the criteria for keeping veterans was locker room presence and talent, where do you rank D.H.B? I feel he is expendable even in that scenario because I would rank Ben, Deebo, Cam, Pouncey , Foster, Mitchell and maybe a few others ahead of him in value. I’m not a D.H.B hater but I just dnt want that roster spot cost us a talented piece for the future…

  • eric

    I give facts, Conner
    Dropped 2 gimmes that would have gone for big yards, the Oline looked horrible vs the 1s, again a fact. What are you going to say next week when Jones does his normal stick out the joint? ‘oh he just came back from injury.’ BS. Dobbs is far and above any other rookie QB that the Steelers have had recently. Jones was and still is a complete joke

  • Reggie Cunningham

    It’s never too late. Depends on the system where they came from would help a lot too

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Interesting question and hard to say because I think some of them offer unique forms of leadership. Like Deebo is a lead by example guy and more of just a work ethic presence. Like I don’t think guys look to him for how to behave as a professional, but look to him as a work ethic example.

    With Ben I get the impression he can probably be a bit of a dick and you don’t want to make him mad or disappoint him.

    DHB is the first round bust showing them that they can still be relevant if they work hard and play for the team and not themselves. He also feels like a coach.

    Heyward is who I would guess as the best all-around leader. He has the voice and the actions all wrapped into one.

  • Steeler4l1f3

    Remember last year or the year before after the Eagles game… They ran all over us and alot of folks said the season was over.

  • Grandmaster Fistage

    Somewhere, Danny Smith is angrily chewing a jaw full of bubble gum

  • SteelerNnyc

    Hamilton can’t catch what ain’t being thrown to him. It was the Big Ben. Brown and Bell show until the AFC Championship game when we faced a defense that could contain Brown. You can’t have a three person show and then expect folks who didn’t get any real reps in to be the star. That’s just me. Hamilton is a gamer.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Hamilton didn’t get targets because he can’t get open consistently in the NFL.

  • Wayne’O

    I caught that too. Funny!

  • SilverSteel

    That is hopefully going to change soon. Golden seems to be a liability

  • razaard2

    Dude, there are three phases at football, not only offense and defense
    If your 6th wr is not gonna play offense anyway, you better keep someone who is a special team stud

  • razaard2

    I’m not saying it’s not gonna happen, but I’m curious how you can affirm that, given that our d has played packages with 2 ILB all the time for the last decade. I wouldn’t get my money they will start keeping the NT and dropping Williams anytime soon. Plus I don’t see how that helps our pass d

  • SteelerNnyc

    I’ve seen him beat his man several times…times he has been open and the QB looked the other way. We like who we like, I get it…but…be real..he isn;t injury prone, he is a solid blocker, a decent special team gunner, he can catch the ball, he doesn’t get into trouble off the field, please…he has shown up…

  • Robert E Lil

    1. My enthusiasm for Dobbs – it was misplaced. If he’s ever going to be even a backup he has a long long long way to go. Nate Peterman btw is looking like a starter.
    2. For goodness sake get Chickillo on the field permanently
    3. Conner is the future

  • Dshoff

    Good one!

  • Craig M

    I’ve been trying to figure out which old QB Houston reminds me of and I conclude it’s John Elway, IMO. I put him down as a definite winner today.

  • will

    My guy Dangerfield!!!

  • Dshoff

    Vince Williams beaten in coverage 4 times? Who wasn’t beaten? We didn’t have a pass defensed until the second half by Hilton! I think it was 2nd half but geez, that secondary couldn’t cover to save their life. And against their 3rd string qb!! I think Coty defensed 2 passes in a row, and that’s about all I saw. Horrible, my worst fear.

  • will

    Ooohhhhhh……you had to make that comparison……….thought that the Steelers secondary might have improved since that game.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Yeah ,Jones had the whole starting line up. I hate when you guys do that. You’re comparing Jones season starts to a rookie preseason starts. Jones had all the tools to win. Go back and compare Jones rookie preseason to Dobbs rookie preseason .Now that’s fair. Jones is a # 3 qb since hes been in the league. He didn’t move up to #2 because he looked better than anyone. He moved up because of injuries. You guys kicking Dobbs under the bus but Jones threw 6 picks in 1 game and that your guy.

  • Michael Conrad

    The play calling and a few drops and a few Wr’s not fighting for the ball did not help Dobbs .

    Houston has a gun for an arm but his inaccuracy is on the level with Dobbs and to be honest Jones is not much better. Colbert and Tomlin need to hire a outside consultant when it comes to drafting QB’s.

  • Dshoff

    He had a nice breakup, you might say big deal, but it was one of the only defensed passes of the day for the Steelers! And another nice blitz.

  • Beanz

    The voices in my head are arguing! “We’re doomed!” no, “we’re going to the super bowl!”. Can i say Super Bowl without obtaining permission from the NFL?

  • Dshoff

    There were times I thought I was watching the keystone kops in this game. Some utterly stupid stuff!! Thank goodness its preseason.

  • Dshoff

    I know everybody thinks Bryant is going to automatically be the savior but this concerns me. It’s not a given that he is going to come out and torch the place. I hope he does but….

  • Dshoff

    Great point about asking about Hamilton and if he plays special teams.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    At this point. i”ll start him over Gay. This team needs to learn when it’s time to cut ties. Lately its been looking like a love affair.We been holding onto Jones, Gay time is over, Cockrell and Golden. I just don’t see why.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Ben does that same crap at times . Don’t forget

  • Scott

    Gay/Cockrell losers.

  • Michael Conrad

    I could be wrong but don’t think so . The secondary was exposed by TB and until Tomlin wakes up and gets the guts to make wholesale changes they will get raked this year. They have CB and Safety problems. I contend other then Burns and maybe Davis.

    The other three need replaced Gay , Cockrell, Mitchell . They can’t play in space and you can’t fix that. Look even a good secondary gives up yards but these guys make it to easy. I say maybe not in game one but before to long Tomlin needs to get Sutton and Allen and Hilton on the the field and replace or switch the safeties. What they have is not going to work and you and I know Tomlin knows it but he will obvious cover it up. He has for three years. He said he knew they were in trouble against NE but could not make changes.

  • will

    Glad that you are well enough to attend!

  • Darth Blount 47

    Le’Veon who? I kid. I kid. But are we sure James Conner is a Rookie? He’s mature beyond his years. And I thought he definitely looked more svelte than I expected. Bell better understand, that if this kid develops consistently, game after game, month after month, he’ll be ready to take over sooner than anticipated.

    I thought LT Walton looked good and played hard up front. Hilton continues to impress. Chickillo looked great. Oh, and I’ve been saying this for a while… Dangerfield > Golden. Is that much of a question anymore??? Dobbs was pretty decent for being a Rook and thrown into the starting role these past games. Until… he wasn’t good. Woof. Tried much too hard. But, his story will be based on growth. If he grows, he may be alright after all.

    Bryant looked a little rusty to me. And I was hoping someone would put an APB out on Justin Hunter. Then the score… yeah! I think Hunter > Hey Bey. Though I’m almost done with Coates. Not entirely. But if I wake up tomorrow and the season is starting and we kept Hunter over Coates, I wouldn’t shed a tear.

    I thought Vince Williams struggled. Is this what we are gonna get from his coverage skills? If so, we’re in trouble. Golden and Cockrell…. well…. …. ..

    We need to lock Tuitt up yesterday. And I thought Burns is showing he can really play. I’ll excuse that opening stanza penalty. He settled in nicely. We NEED Shazier out there, badly. And I’m still wondering about our Secondary overall, as I think we all are. Matt Ryan was having his way. And then for a while so was Matt Schaub/Simms. (What in the world is up with 3 Matt’s??!)

    Lastly, how about Trey Williams! Trey who? Williams! The best Williams on the field today. (That would have won you a nice bar bet) And I still think we need to draft a TE next year. And a Safety. And ILB. And CB. And probably a RB/QB. Come to think of it… for a team with Super Bowl aspirations, we still could use quite a bit of help/polishing/depth. Ah well, another W. We’ll take it. Nice to stack ’em, even if they are totally meaningless. Get well, GRAVEDIGGER.

  • Delboka

    It seemed like the secondary was more focused on landing a big hit with the shoulder pads instead of breaking up the catch.

    Looked pretty ugly against Ryan under center.

  • WreckIess

    “LOL! Cobi Hamilton as a LOSER? He didn’t even play.”

    Yeah. That’s the point… He barely played.

  • Nolrog

    I saw that too. Falcons were way too wide open. No question they are a good team but if we expect to be a SB contender, we need to beat teams like this.

  • Nolrog

    Falcons are a very good team, there’s no question. But you don’t get to the SB without having the ability to beat very good teams.

  • The Chin

    Cam Sutton needs to get himself back in the mix

  • Nolrog

    It’s possible. As is RB and TE right now. After the season, that list will change.

  • Darth Blount 47

    He wears that number 8 like a young Tommy Maddox.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I thought VW was pretty atrocious in coverage myself.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I think we all know that, Mr. Obvious.

  • Taylor Williams

    I’ll give Dobbs more time. Connor needs more snaps too. Chick has always been decent, I would like to see him get stronger though.

  • Taylor Williams

    Bah!! Hilton could get 5 int between the next 2 games and gay will still start over him.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I’d sign Jairus Byrd tomorrow.

  • Taylor Williams

    Please never speak of Dixon please.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I tried to like this post multiple times. Alas, it wouldn’t let me. 🙁

  • Eric Whyuwannaknow

    Lol…true.

  • Matt Manzo

    I’m starting to think that Tucker is better than we thought! He’s making plays and on ST he always seems to be around te ball.

  • GravityWon

    Dangerfield definitely better than Golden. I would cut Golden and keep either Hagen or best safety waived during roster cuts to 53.

  • T R

    agreed, althought i love seeing him out there. that one catch doesnt negate that fumble, and a couple the runs for him well he was -1 yards on 2 carries i think. if thats case.. put Heyward Bey on winners for drawing that PI. 🙂

  • thomas hmmmm

    Should have traded for Darby.. Wont get a better guy off of waiver wires or trades or with a team that the Steelers have a decent relationship with.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Why hasn’t someone kicked the tires on Jairus Flippin’ Byrd?! Still a FA. Makes no sense. When healthy, the guy is a good football player. Only 30 years old and with 25 career INT’s. 41 PD’s and 13 FF’s. Started all 16 games last year.

    I’ve wanted to see what Hagen has truly got for a while now.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Would of been great. But we ain’t giving up a 2nd round pick for a CB during the pre-season.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Jones sure as hell looked better than Vick but Tomlins penchant for veterans is what kept Jones as the #3. Come to find out he had a great command of the offense and wasn’t half bad, while Vick was absolutely lost.
    Jones is a decent #2 and has panned out for being a 4th rounder. There aren’t many backups out there better.

  • Shane Mitchell

    I think Jake McGee has earned some Varsity snaps, I would like to see if he has the same success blocking against other teams starters, and see a few passes thrown his way.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Ummm First 5 games of last season.. He did more in those 5 games than Hamilton did in his chances..
    Fact is if Hamilton was better than Coates then Hamilton would have been more than a 7th wr only playing because of injuries and suspensions.

  • Chris92021

    Yeah, that is a legit concern. I think it is also a good thing we brought in Alualu and working out Walton at DT. I hope Hargrave is alright.

  • thomas hmmmm

    True he looked bad but the guy hasn’t even been back for an entire week yet. Everyone should have expected him to look rusty and if you weren’t then you were dreaming fantastical dreams.

  • Jim Foles

    McGee and Conner helped the O play better late… The falcon D was spreading out…

  • wa_steel

    All the guys getting first action looked pretty good –
    – Totally agree on Conner.. the drops sucked but dude, when is the last time we had a rookie drop a 100 yard ground game (ok, he was 2 short) in a preseason game (and his first preseason game at that)? I can’t think of one..
    – I thought Coates was on the Winners list.. he didn’t do anything great but he did everything he was asked to do. Hands caught what he was given and fought for a few extra yards.
    – MB a bit rusty but speed was still there and he caught the one reasonable throw.
    – Trey Williams? now that was a surprise and puts the Trey Williams vs Watson discussion into a more contested state.

    Hilton continues to shine.. and Ducre and Dixon looked decent too.

    LB coverage seemed much worse than last week. That is concerning some.

    Dobbs accuracy wasn’t all that I had hoped for but it wasn’t a total disaster..

  • thomas hmmmm

    Was the concussion confirmed? If it wasn’t then they still could have held him out just as a precaution. Otherwise it is a huge concern.. Let’s hope his greed and need for money to set up his family for life outweighs his concern for self preservation.

  • Larry Kraus

    I wasn’t to worried about the secondary. Everyone played off looked like a loose zone to me on most snaps. I’ll judge the D after the 1st game in September.

  • Eric Whyuwannaknow

    Who’s forgetting that???…The fan base has lived with those kind of bonehead plays Ben has made over the years and he’s still here. It’s all part of the process. Hopefully Dobbs will get it that if you’re careless with the football, your opportunity will be given to the next person. I’ll wait for it though. Dobbs is still a work in progress. He wasn’t going to replace anyone this year anyway.

  • Gautama Om

    Didn’t watch the game. Don’t need to. Only mentally challenged people don’t see Dirty Red all the way. I DON’T SAY THIS TO ANY PLAYER OUT THERE. This dude has SOME special. In the long run Red will be better than Vontaze Burfict, EASY (who happen to run 5.09s)…if you give him a chance. He’s a poor man’s Keuchly. If he was able to run a 4.6s on the forty he’d rival Keuchly.

    Oh wait, I better try to look “intelligent” and go with the sure player (Vince Williams) who we’ve had some tape. At least on the discussion boards I’ll look smart. Because , ya know, unknown/undrafted players hardly ever outplay drafted or known players.

  • thomas hmmmm

    I blame the scheming more than the players. Granted Gay is older and his skills are diminishing. I would love for Sutton or Golson or even Hilton to come and take his spot.
    Cockrell got burned several times but I say its more scheme.
    Zone D’s will never work versus teams like the Falcons and Pats have Qb’s with the skills and whose coaches designed their offensive schemes solely to beat zone schemes.

  • thomas hmmmm

    He is still playing? He hasn’t done anything since his rookie season and was never good versus the run.. Although the Steeler’s need a good coverage safety I don’t think Byrd is the one to fill that need.

  • RickM

    Lol, if you didn’t see the game, then maybe put a lid on it. You just appear extremely foolish and rather rude.

  • Gautama Om

    I am because you people are just dumb. You think just because I need to see the game to know the obvious?

    Keep trying to look thoughtful and intelligent. Bring some tape of VW up for me please.

    Again, I’m not the type to jump on bandwaggons (like this Dirty Red one). But it’s so obvious. You “intelligent” analysts around here have nothing original to add. If we leave it to you he’d never bad drafted.

  • RickM

    Tomlin confirmed unfortunately he’s in protocol.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Only if they let Burns shadow the #1 wr like they did Ike.

  • RickM

    I’ll save the discussion for people who actually watched the game. Thanks
    anyway.

  • mhurk

    James Conner looked pretty good thought He would of been on the Winners list.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Conner looked pretty good. I think the Falcons were scared to tackle him high.. They kept going for his ankles.
    Was it just me or was every Steeler slipping and stumbling? They might need to change their shoes.

  • Larry Kraus

    I think tj will become a little bit more like Harrison after this year. He’ll decide that he needs to bulk up a little like Harrison and jj.

  • SteelerNnyc

    LAME.

  • SteelerNnyc

    uh hmmm…broken fingers, always injured, major drops..everyone talk about those 5 games…SHEESH!! LOL 5 whole games? Give me a break.

  • Gautama Om

    Don’t need to because I’ve seen enough before this and know they type of player Red is to be able to know he’ll succeed.

    Lets put it this way, if we allow VW to start because its “close” to a tie between the two due to seniority then we’ll find out the hard way with our D being exposed.

    If they allow Red significant play time, VW will be demoted, mark my words. I don’t care about this game. You people lack foresight.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Yeah, he started all 16 games last year for the Saints. And although he had 9 INT’s his Rookie year, by a few rating metrics, that wasn’t his all-around best season. PFR (Not PFF) has 2012 as his best year and 2013 equal to his Rookie one. I think he still has gas in the tank at only 30. And yes, we could use a veteran ballhawker.

  • Robert E Lil

    Gotta say
    Congratulations and look out for Nate Peterman. Steelers may have made a huge mistake

  • gentry_gee

    Dobbs will be a bust. He shows limited natural talent, instinct or ability.

  • Douglas Andrews

    How long are the Steelers going to stick with Golden as a primary backup. Sounds like he’s just getting worse in coverage

  • RickM

    Hi Darth. I tried to envision this as a mid-season game against a good opponent without Shazier and paid more attention to the ILB’s. It was a rough one. Hopefully they’ll pick it up, because that was not good. And of course some guys in the secondary had it really rough as well.

  • mhurk

    Not writing the season off yet, but If We trot Cockrell, Gay, Mitchell/Golden out there as starters I predict about 8-8

  • Dan

    So, I missed the first half, did they seriously have guys like VW running their old zone that simply doesn’t work that well anymore? For shame. I’m glad I’m not hearing Burns and Davis getting the fans wrath, though. Too bad it’s everyone else. Except Mike Hilton. Preseason super hero. They need to make up their mind on the coverage, though. Man coverage, please. Artie seemed to to very well shadowing AB in camp. If you can shadow AB, you’re in pretty good shape. Seeing Cockrell struggle, I’m beginning to wonder about the rumors of the Steelers poking around other teams’ CBs.

    Dobbs reminded us all today that he is a massive project. Bart Houston looked better, though against fourth stringers. He won’t make the roster. Landry Jones will probably be the #2 again, which terrifies me. I will say this: whether or not Ben retires, they need to go QB early next year, even if it involves trading up. This is a solid young team, it would be a shame to waste it by not having a legitimate QB to pilot the damn thing. TE still needs upgraded. I like the blocking guy (McGee?) but that seems to be all he does.

  • Shane Mitchell

    May have to reclassify Mike Hilton as a safety.

  • RickM

    Yeah way too early to write Dobbs off. But your word “lost” is a good one. The composure of game 1 didn’t seem there today.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    I say #3. I just don’t see it. Ben goes down . I don’t see any wins with Jones. I just don’t have the same confidence with him. Not same as I had with Batch and Brian Hoyer. We should’ve picked up Nick Foles when he was out there. I’ll even feel comfortable with Kap

  • RickM

    Agree completely, but Gravedigger looks special. I just hate this particular worry.

  • Delboka

    Dobbs is awful so far.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    We need to get out of this love relationship. We need great players

  • DoctorNoah

    We are trotting Artie Burns, Cockrell/Gay, Mitchell and Davis, as far as we know right?

  • DoctorNoah

    Are you joking? Dropped three easy dump off passes in a row, each of which would have been a first down. Cannot do that and be on the winners list…

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Do you think we made a good choice at hiring Keith Butler

  • StrengthOfVictory

    I know the Falcons are a good team (and I know it’s the preseason), but it was tough to watch Atlanta’s D-line get almost immediate pressure on Dobbs snap after snap, while their secondary stood pretty tall. Meanwhile, the Steelers’ D-line consistently looked like they needed two more seconds to “get there” (always trying and failing to bend around the edge,) and the secondary got burned badly. I swear Atlanta knew exactly what passing routes would (predictably) work against the Steelers. (I’m starting to believe every team knows.)

    Those “skinny posts” just prove 1) the soft spots in the Steelers’ zone remain easy to find, and 2) the secondary is still just as vulnerable to seam passes as the Pats proved them to be last season.

  • DoctorNoah

    Yep. He looks like he wants to run on every play. Accuracy terrible on bread and butter throws

  • DoctorNoah

    Yep.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    I do realize this just saying he was in no way on the good side for what he did on the field…..it should come as he gets back into football shape.

  • Chris92021

    Physically, Burns is ready to shadow 1s but mentally, not quite there yet.

  • Shane Mitchell

    They did play some 2 man underneath coverage this game the first half, and Vince Williams got beat for a big third down conversion that put them in the redzone. If he cant cover in zone he sure as heck wont do any better in man coverages.

  • Delboka

    Suprised they didn’t draft a pocket guy. Instead they drafted a scrambling qb.

  • melblount

    If you want to read a “laughable” comment, maybe you should read yours.

    To wit, isolating on just one of your woulda/coulda/shouldas, you can’t “take away” picks and dropped passes.

    That said, it now appears Dobbs is capable of throwing increasingly more ridiculous interceptions as he gets more playing time. I was hoping the two vs the G-men were some of the worst we’d see from him. Then came this week’s “Football Follies” backhand flip while falling to the ground.

    In case you are not aware, in college Dobbs threw 59 TDs and a whopping 29 picks. So what we are seeing from him now is not news to anyone who followed his college career closely.

  • NinjaMountie

    Why do you think those are our starters?

  • I.P. Freeley

    The play that I believe your referring to, Dobbs was way late on the throw to the outside. I’m not sure Jerry Rice makes that catch.

  • I.P. Freeley

    Losers – Me for believing our defense woukd be better this year, despite any significant changes in personnel or scheme.

  • Craig M

    I agree.

  • Kevin Schwartz

    Soo…. do we get to see the starters next week?

  • I’m not writing off Dobbs yet. Having to play against the Falcons first string D with our interior o-line backups was a tall order. If he has to start again I hope he gets to play with our starting o-line.

  • ND_Steel

    Hard to argue this…only slight change in personnel…Watt, Heyward back from injury, Alualu sans Matthews, V Williams sans Timmons (not a good thing)…

  • jsteeler

    Your a hater. Are you a troll?

  • jsteeler

    Martavis and Sammy came back. No room for Cobi to play but in the 3rd Qtr. Pay attention to the reps in the game and personnel.

  • Rusted Out

    I don’t rule out Red as a guy who may grow into a full time starter either. I’m sure he’ll get his chance being the next man up behind the often fragile Shazier, and VW.

  • Kevin Artis

    None of those sacks got Matt Ryan. I never said he played poorly just not all the hype he had last week.
    I look at how our starters did against there starters and Matt Ryan did not get any pressure and he sliced through our secondary with ease. Then the backup did fairly well against our starters for a couple series until the backups came in.

  • FATCAT716

    Well good thing we beat them

  • Jason

    Finally a voice of reason. I can’t believe with all the truly knowledgeable football fans on this site that there’s this much overreaction to a preseason game. When will people learn that that these games have zero correlation to regular season performance?

  • capehouse

    You realize he was criticizing Matakevich AND Vince Williams, right? You’re right though. You are dumb.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Over gay? No. Over sensabaugh and golson deff.

  • Jason

    Agree with point #1. Points 2 and 3 are major overreactions to decent preseason performances. Who’s Chickillo replacing? Watt? Dupree? Nah. And Conner has to improve those Limas hands before he is a legit #1 although I’m very happy for that kid.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    They both need work but davis reads angles better, is faster and has better rsnge. Keep Mitchell closer to the line and you reduce the time and angles he takes meaning he will get there quicker.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Man coverage is not the end all, be all, it’s got weaknesses too.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    6 years. Time to end that experiment.

  • MC

    Seeing Connor reminded me of when i first played madden after they got the physics engine and i would keep falling over because i’d run into my own lineman. Good to see him put together a nice performance.

    TJ Watt looked good in the run game. Set the edge a couple times well and usually cleaned up a run if the RB stalled behind the line.

    Chickillo is the guy i’m hoping develops into a above average backup the most. I do know he will be better than Cris Carter was, who was also drafted in the fifth?

    Mike hilton has made the biggest case for himself these two games.

    First team secondary looked bad but it does make a difference not having dupree ,shazier and a fresh harrison in the level in front. Golden hopefully doesn’t see the field much.

    I also have a feeling Tuitt is going to make more impact plays than Cam this year.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    I agree with most.

    Dobbs. People thought he would take Landry jone’s spot. What a joke.

    Golden been here 6 years. Time to go. I don’t hate him but it’s time for him to move on.

    Coates isn’t making up for lost time. Still same problems.

    After burns opening boneheaded penalty, he was targeted about 5 more times. He needs more development.

    Qb, safety and tight end are the biggest needs. By far. Danger replaces Mitchell next year. But we still need to draft one.

    As far as cb. We should have picked up Eric Rowe, not let him go to the pats.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Or Gary barnidge.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Allen? Give me a break. People here won’t stop talking about Allen because of his height. He don’t have the ability to do squat. Not yet anyways.

  • Marcel Chris Chauvet

    Does thay mean we can cut Robert Golden? If so, I’m all for it.

  • Tristana

    Big Winners:

    – Hilton
    – Dangerfield
    – Chickillo
    – Nix
    – Fort
    – T. Williams

    Small winners, but doesn’t matter much
    – Berry
    – Maxey
    – Huguenin
    – Dixon
    – Sensabaugh
    – Ducre
    – Walton
    – Boswell
    – Holba
    – Galambos

    Winners and Losers at the same time:

    – Dobbs
    – Conner
    – Houston
    – Hunter

    Losers:
    – K. Davis
    – Toussaint
    – R. Golden
    – S. Johnson
    – Heyward-Bey
    – V. Williams
    – Cockrell

  • Tristana

    I would love to see Heyward-Bey replacing Mann as a coach next year, Mann said this is his last season. Why not Heyward-Bey then? He is a nice guy with a good presence that is respected and is coaching anyways. I don’t know when players can become coaches, but I’d love to see that happen. His play is not good anymore, I would really cut him, but as a person I really want to retain him as a Steeler!!

  • Conserv_58

    What, no love for Matakevich? Every highlight I saw of the defense Tyler was in on the play, especially a couple of T.J.’s highlights.

    I was happy for Chickillo. He needed that kind of performance.

    Mike Hilton took his former college teammate, Golson’s spot on the team.

    Seeing Cockrell get beat more than once brings back memories of Charred Scott. I pray that Brian Adams excellerates his development.

    James Conner would have received an ‘A’, but for those two dropped passes.

    When was the last time we could say the ST’s unit was actually special? Good for them as a unit.

    Bye Bye, Hey Bey. He brings nothing worth justifying wasting a roster spot on. The same goes for Golden. Both are liabilities.

    Dobbs was showing incremental improvement over last week, until he made that bone headed decision to lateral the ball as he was falling to the ground. For a smart kid that was a really dumb decision. He doesn’t need to look at the tape to know that he should have never done that.

    The Steelers’ starting defense get’s an ‘F’, you fill in what the ‘F’ stands for. Watching the DL get stymied by the falcon’s OL was a repeat of the AFCCG. The same goes for the secondary.

  • MP

    Shaz likely wont be out there for the whole season if history is an indicator.

  • Conserv_58

    IMO, absolutely.

  • Conserv_58

    That will not happen. Period. The starting DB’s most likely will be Burns, Cockrell, Davis and Mitchell.

  • Conserv_58

    He.Must.Go.

  • Conserv_58

    Cockrell getting torched is directly correlated to his not receiving a contract extension. He is what he is, mediocre.

  • Conserv_58

    I was eye popping surprised to see how poorly Vince played.

    Fans to Colbert, Hey Bey and Golden need to get on with their life, post football.

  • Michel Smiffi

    Losers?
    Vince Williams and Makatevic.
    The Falcons could have ligned up Dantori Poe at Slot WR and he would have been wide open.
    We really need Shazier back as soon as possible.

  • Thomas

    Are we sure Dangerfield can’t be 1st off bench over Golden?

  • Same zone; prevent style D that can’t get pressure, can’t cover for 3 secs, can’t tackle, & Mr glass aka shazier cant go due to injury. Seems the Steelers are in mid season form lol.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    No doubt.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Yeah not dissing his courage but he looked Urlacher-like on that play didn’t he?
    Hey, nobody bats a 1000!!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Biggest draft mistake since taking Archer in the 3rd a few years ago.
    But my concern is that they will now NOT take a QB in this upcoming draft which would be an even BIGGER mistake!!

  • WreckIess

    You can get as mad as you want about it, but if a team doesn’t play you in the preseason that means they don’t need to see anything from you and when you’re “fighting” for a roster spot like Cobi is(I put that in quotes because he doesn’t really have much of a chance), that’s not a good thing.

  • Wil Masisak

    Actually the DBs below Cocrell and Golden on the depth chart look pretty darn good. He problem isn’t a waiver wire pickup for depth, it’s who’s starting. When your deep safety can’t defend routes directly in front of him and he plays in front of thumper ILBs with coverages limitations and he is in the same side as a physically limited CB… guys run free and you see NE and ATL outcomes. Not to mention no pass rush. No coincidence that ATL’s offense slowed down once 2nd/3rd team came in game- Fort-Johnson-Hagen-Sensabaugh-Allen did a better job.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    No. Hell no. Sorry red missed on about 6 tackles. Or got straight nullified multiple times.

  • KiJana Haney

    Golden and Cockrell will continue to disappoint long term. We need a 1st round cb next year and I hope that sutton can get on the field because gay cannot play man coverage.

  • Gloria Burke

    Made me laugh out loud.

  • Lee Foo Young

    Josh Dobbs: Again, better days are ahead

    You hope…or perhaps there is a reason that he lasted as long as he did? I guess I am one of the few Dobbs non-supporters. I mean, I HOPE he does well, but I am not holding my breath. I still remember when Dennis Dixon was going to be the next ‘great’ backup QB.

  • Lee Foo Young

    You mean a first round pick like CB Justin Gilbert? Just because you take one on the first round means diddley. Besides, wasn’t Artie Burns a 1st round pick?

  • John Pennington

    How many missed tackles did he have to slow move on.

  • KiJana Haney

    I think I understand what you are getting at but I trust the drafting process for the steelers and I think their track record speaks for itself besides jarvis jones. I think that we need to draft a cb early on because we will not get one in free agency. My point is that cockrell is a good cb but not great and i think that his inability to defend quick receivers is his downfall.

  • Taylor Williams

    Too late for that. When Ben retires, it’s over for a long time.

  • KiJana Haney

    I disagree we will stay relevant. We just need our defense to become strong enough to support the development of a new qb.

  • Darth Blount 47

    This makes me sad. If he misses more than 1 game or so, do we really pay him with a big, new, contract? I truly hope he stays healthy. On one hand it’s good and on one hand it’s bad, that we’re still using the word “potential” with Shazier.

  • Evan Eremita

    Artie burns was the only cornerback who looked good out there. However I did stop watching after the first half. Seemed like there were no completions to his man. This story was lost in how horrendous golden and cockerel played, willie gay looked bad too

  • Dan

    Yeah, but that seems to be the skill set our young talent has. I believe there are multiple types of zone coverage as well, more specific stuff than just cover 2, 3, 4, etc. Has anyone here or anywhere ever broken that down? That would be interesting to see, and help form more of an opinion. I’m always up for new ideas.

  • Rusted Out

    Yea, that’s a fear of mine as well. I can’t imagine going into a season with Josh Dobbs or Landry Jones as a starter. I just don’t think that the Steelers will have a high enough draft pick to draft the next franchise guy until after Ben retires and they have a down season. Not that they should be lackadaisical in their approach since Ben won’t commit to playing the following year.

  • Dan

    Good to know. I’m rooting for VW and Dirty Red. They will never be elite coverage LBs but I’m hoping for competence, at least.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i did at one point in a very long comment and i believe dave bryan did in an article.

  • thomas hmmmm

    If I had a choice I would have kept DLB or I would have replaced Butler the second Rex Ryan got fired from Buffalo. Seeing how Rex is the only man that has consistently beaten NE. With teams far worse than the Steelers. Other than that there is no one else I would take over Butler.

  • I.P. Freeley

    Sure, but keep in mind, we need an heir-apparent selection at some point . . .

  • I.P. Freeley

    All good points, but if the DB’s, read: Cockrell can’t cover fast receivers, our ceiling is high, but not higher than NE; or any team with an elite QB. Another lost season is unacceptable given the amount of talent we currently boast. I really believe the window is closing right now, right on our necks.

    Without a serviceable defense, stairway to 7 will be the unattainable “one for the thumb” that I heard my whole life (I became a fan at birth in 1981), before we won in 2006.