Roethlisberger Says Haley Screaming At Him During Games Isn’t New

Even though the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Indianapolis Colts Sunday on the road a lot will be made about the play of their offense during the game and how the unit almost botched a two-point play opportunity in the fourth quarter.

During that two-point play fiasco, that included the offense taking a delay of game penalty immediately following a timeout, the CBS television cameras showed a very angry Todd Haley, the team’s offensive coordinator, on the sideline as he appeared to be yelling some obscenities to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. On Monday, Roethlisberger was asked about what Haley was so mad at during his interview on 93.7 The Fan.

“You know, it was crazy, yeah, obviously he was screaming,” Roethlisberger said. “That’s nothing new, him screaming at me during games. You guys don’t ever see it. I don’t know if he was actually yelling at me through the headset because I didn’t hear that, but I did look over at the sideline and he was definitely screaming. I know they’re making a big deal about it today on social media and that’s how you guys are all hearing and seeing about it.”

Roethlisberger gave a little more insight into what was happening on the sideline during that point of the game.

“I know there was some coach to coach arguing, him hollering, all kinds of things, but at the time, it’s just you move on,” Roethlisberger explained. “You can’t really get caught up in that stuff so that’s why I was focused on kind of what was going on there. It was the same sort of thing on the last drive, the big play to Martavis [Bryant]. He [Haley] was trying to call another play. He kind of wanted us to huddle and do some things and I was kind of like, no, in hollering at me and what not, it’s just like, you know what, we’ve just got to move and go and so I called that play to Martavis and he made a big play.

“And so, those things happen more than people know, I think. There’s frustration, there’s competitiveness, there’s all kinds of things that happen during a game. So, if he was hollering at me, it wasn’t coming through my headset that I remember.”

Man, I can’t wait to watch the Haley-haters respond to these comments.

For what it’s worth, Roethlisberger did say that Haley called the two-point play that resulted in a successful reception by wide receiver Martavis Bryant. Additionally, the Steelers quarterback admitted that the delay of game penalty was also probably a blessing in disguise as it gave Bryant more room to work over the middle.

It’s so shocking that an offensive coordinator yells occasionally at the team’s quarterback during a game, however. I wonder if the Steelers will be able to move on from Haley being so upset during a key moment of a game. Surely that doesn’t happen with other NFL teams.

  • WARisHELL

    Dave you’ve been in quite the mood lately.

  • srdan

    I like the screaming. I wish some our players took more after Cam and were vocal. One of the things I was looking forward to with Vince starting is that he brings that vocal leadership. Timmons and Shazier seemed to be a different type of leader

  • Haole

    Headline: Haley yells at people. This is not exactly new news, and if Ben’s not stressed about it, it’s not news at all.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    I normally hate Thursday Night Football but the silver lining in that dark cloud is that it cuts out a couple days of another Steelers soap opera – unless it happens again Thursday.

  • psteelers

    Okay Ben glad to know you called the play to get the ball to Bryant against Haley’s will, lol…this guy

  • ThatGuy

    Thursday’s game is going to be a rough one. We’re in Week 11 and I am still waiting for the offense to click.

  • WilliamSekinger

    Dave, your sarcasm was actually dripping down my computer screen as I read that. Haha!

  • Timothy Rea

    You never know.. the titans could wind up with a better record than the Jags… so if they lose to them, could also drop the 2nd seed based on H2H if we wind up tying. Hopefully, they get up for this one.

  • Michael James

    You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to read between the lines here.
    Ben is literally saying “I hate Haley and his playcalling is bs, too”.
    I won’t make a final judgement about Haley’s playcalling abilities here, I’m not expert enough to do this and I admit it. But it’s clear that he and Ben don’t have a good relationship.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    Titans are Division leaders. No slouches.

  • pittfan

    lol, ya think?

  • Conserv_58

    Wasn’t Haley’s yelling and screaming at players a big reason why he was fired by Kansas City? I’m not against coaches showing emotion, (Cowher) but there is a fine line between what players will and will not accept from a coach before he loses them. For Haley to yell the expletives he did at Ben was uncalled for. IMO, Haley crossed the line. I saw that as a sign of weakness on Haley’s part along with it being disrespectful and unprofessional conduct, especially toward a fourteen year veteran that had two SB wins before Haley was hired. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

  • pittfan

    That is unprofessional. But this is the NFL so expectations are low for that anyways.

  • Conserv_58

    I wonder how Art Rooney II took that. I’m guessing he was not the least bit happy, especially knowing that it was televised for all to see.

  • Rye Stye

    Some big plays to Brown and Bryant down the stretch on basic five yard or so crossing plays. It let them use their YAC skills. I’d like to see more of those. Also, can our tight ends run patterns and catch balls? I couldn’t tell from that last game. Seemed clear that Indy was focusing on Bell and Brown. That should have opened up other guys, but yet here we were forcing the ball to Brown and Bell in the first half. Can we adapt a little faster next time?

  • John Noh

    Two points, tie game. Move on.

  • PREACH!!!

  • Rye Stye

    Cam and Shazier took over in the second half and led by example. D-line was quiet in the first half and Shazier’s tackling was horrible. I think the things that keep this team from playing better are lapses in focus and intensity. If our guys are into the game, they can beat anybody. Too often it’s like we are just going through the motions and running the play. That’s where good old spittin’ Cowher was the best. He kept the guys hypes and into the game. Tomlin is too chill and I think that hurts us at times. Also, can we spend less time working on touchdown or fumble recovery celebrations. Here’s a good rule, no choreographed endzone celebrating at all unless the team is up by two touchdowns or more.

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  • Mark

    Agreed. Crucial 2 point and Haley acted a fool. As if that stress is needed for this floundering offense. #firehaleyasap

  • Michael James

    This. It was very unprofessional.

  • Cavallonator

    You have a hall of fame qb who is screaming back at his coach from the middle of the field after burning a time out on a 2point conversion and then getting a delay of game… any coach would be screaming expletives as most fans were probably doing so at home… Ben played like crap for 3quarters and then takes credit for the MB call… this guy is 36 and still hasn’t grown up

  • Doug Andrews

    I understand your point but pay attention to Ben a little more during the games. I’ve seen him throwing some stare downs at the Steelers sidelines and he’s been caught on camera yelling at Haley also. If these guys are okay with it and the Steelers are winning I’m good with it

  • disqus_wdLdx4W76r

    Let Ben call his own plays..

  • John Phillips

    Can you add the /s to help slower folks like myself.

  • Orlysteel

    Ben being a franchise Quarterback and the face of the team , if he voices that he cannot work with Haley, I would think that would be the end of Haley in Pittsburgh.

  • Mark

    There is a difference between passion and lunacy. Haley was pure lunatic on the sideline. Passionate coaching is not telling your QB to “shut the f*#k up, Ben”. This guy has derailed…

    Acting as if this behavior is normal is purely ridiculous

  • Cavallonator

    What if ben retires tho? make sense to totally re haul an offense with a ton of talent? again, ben is not perfect here by any means.

  • John Pennington

    Haley is in the way now.Time to let him go and save the season.Ben can call his own plays.Bring in a new OC next season.

  • Av232

    As long as Ben’s on that radio show, the soap opera continues. I personally love listening to the show then seeing the interview taken out of context. It’s my weekly entertainment!

  • Ken Krampert

    I noticed Ben talking to Fichtner on the sideline rather than Haley. Reminds me of the mid 90s when Cowher lost confidence in Ron Erhart and started deferring to Chan Gailey for play calls. In fighting with Tomlin and Haley and Ben and Haley. Not a good situation, and the disjointed offense is a product of that. Tomlin needs to step in and get control of the situation. I think Haley’ s play calling has been to horizontal and predictable. One more Bryant end around for a 10 yd loss and I will explode. Need more Ben no huddle.

  • Generic Steelers Fan

    SEE I TOLD YINS

  • Av232

    Yeah, Cowher was such a good cheerleader coach. Err, did I get that backwards?

  • Mark

    Say by some miracle this iteration of the Steelers makes the Super Bowl. Do we want Haley having a breakdown on the sideline? I think the answer is clear.

    Also vs. Colts. If you watch the playcalling, there was not systemic game plan. Zero. Not a play used in any series was to build for splash. Where is the exploitation of the defenses weakness. Colts are ranked what on D? 31? Just terrible.

  • Mark

    Yup

  • Mark

    Greatest profile pic ever n’at

  • Mark

    Not with the Rooney’s. Toddy’s daddy was personnel director during the 70s…nepotism at its finest.

  • Charles Mullins

    “It’s NOT so shocking that an offensive coordinator yells occasionally at the team’s quarterback during a game. However, I wonder if the Steelers will be able to move on from Haley being so upset during a key moment of a game. Surely that doesn’t happen with other NFL teams?”

    Fixed that up for you. Coaches yelling?? Yeah that happens.

  • Ravens Team Gynecologist

    I understand that yelling and arguments happen in these situations, but “shut the F up!” times two?

  • Mark

    Yup. Twice. Sad

  • Mark

    Are we the only team in the league with an OC that never played a snap of football? That is comparable to a hospital orderly perdorming open heart surgery…

  • Michael Conrad

    Get rid of Haley before a young QB is drafted. I think Ben can handle this clown but don’t bring a young QB in for Haley to destroy.

  • walter

    I dont think so. Ben already voiced opinion when Haley was hired

  • walter

    I think Haley was screaming to run a bubble screen.

  • Mark

    Or jet sweep for a loss of 10…LOL

  • Michael Conrad

    Haley was a small college QB so he did play but not Pro ball.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    Haley has calmed down quite a bit from his KC days. For him to lose it like that, something unusual had to happen. So they call timeout and they come out and Ben is either lost or does not like what he sees, in some way, shape or form. Haley flips. Interesting.

    Look around at Ben’s weapons and O line and tell me what you think about the quality of Ben’s play this year so far. It leaves a little to be desired, correct? Maybe that moment of questioning was enough to send Haley off the deep end. Surely stuff like this happens more often than we may know.

    I simply cannot blame only one of these guys. Yesterday was a great opportunity for Ben to find other weapons as AB was usually doubled, he had enough time in the pocket most of the time and Indy is pretty bad on D. Ben, personally, looked terrible in the first half. The others should have been torching the Colts but Ben could not find them.

    The other day I mentioned that on paper it looks like they should score 40 in this game, but I would be pleased with just a win. Well, they won. Now let’s hope the best is yet to come for this star studded offense.

  • Mark

    Hmmm, all I can find is golf team. You sure?

  • heath miller

    i’d love to have $1 for every time i heard ….. the OC needs to be fired between BA and not TH…. so we fired BA … he filled in for chuck pagano as head coach in indy and won what 4? 5? 6? in a row when hpagano left mid season with cancer.. then he took over the cardinals and did a good job for home many years… now the fans want TH gone…. we knew his anger problems when he was hired… shouldnt be a surprise to anyone … thats one of the reasons he got fired in KC … i have never been a haley fan but is he really that much diffferent than the days a few years ago when ben was throwing 6 TD a game and 500 yards… its the same guy folks… and everyone thought he was great at that time… amazing .. HEEEEEEEATH

  • heath miller

    OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG thats funny … i spit out my diet coke… the best part is .. he probably was hahahahha HEEEATH

  • Mark

    Confirmed: never played

  • heath miller

    they are men… they are professionals .. they can more on… its what men do .. yell… shove each other … punch each other then go our that night for steak and a beer and chase the ladies .. no long lasting problems .. HEEEEEATH

  • jl9744

    Call me crazy, but I honestly think the offenses’ biggest issue is trying to force the deep stuff instead of taking what the defense is giving. Teams aren’t stacking the box anymore unless it’s an obvious run formation. Instead, they are playing way off the ball with two deep safeties taking that away. Tbh, it’s one of the biggest reason for Juju’s emergence, and was a huge reason for Martavis’ slow start. Notice when we moved Martavis in the middle of the trips side instead of having him isolated on the other side, it was a pick your poison for the defense. Like you obviously can’t hide Martavis but you can do a better job of disguising where he’s going to go, also another reason for the emergence of Juju and Eli Rogers last year.

    In all honesty, this offense will go back to being the potential for 30 points per game with some simple formation adjustments and taking what the defense gives. Oh, and a little more James Conner wouldn’t hurt.

  • letownia

    I don’t mind the screaming but from the transcript it seems like Big Ben is really throwing Haley under the bus.

    I’m concerned that compounding the fact that Big Ben is bad this year is the Haley/Ben relationship souring.

  • Werdna Nednil

    Not sure how old you are but After Bradshaw the Steelers struggled at QB.. Your going to miss the Ben When he’s gone!!!

  • nutty32

    Very logical, but I’ll hold judgment until getting the full story from both sides. Ben has a show and gets to point out things publicly when he’s right. We have no idea how many times Ben changes what’s called which don’t work and its Haley taking all the hate for red zone problems. If Ben kept changing my calls & disrespecting me, I’d yell at Ben too, especially when almost all the red zone problems are being blamed on “my calls.”

  • EdJHJr

    That last paragraph, is that being fecisius

  • nutty32

    Ben throws EVERYONE under the bus. Because he’s a leader and that’s what leaders do.

  • EdJHJr

    You know i complain alot, but how lucky were we to get Ben in that draft?

  • EdJHJr

    I’ve been waiting years for the offense

  • Werdna Nednil

    We can get you Bubbt Brister back Maybe Neil O’Donell ,Kent Graham, Jim Miller, Big game bust Kordell.. Tommy Maddox etc.. Foolish Steeler fans kill me.

  • EdJHJr

    Good. Maybe they will play better

  • Werdna Nednil

    There still running the Ron Erhart offense that he brought from the Giants. No difference Phil Simms says it all the time

  • Paul Barile

    Take the W. Move along.

  • Intense Camel

    Yea, it’s time to kill the 30 ppg dream. They can’t even score 30 points let alone average that.

  • WB Tarleton

    You Haley haters are ridiculous.

    This happens on every team. It happened to me in high school. Cowher used to do it.

    Somewhere, Mike Ditka is laughing at this thread. Buddy Ryan and Bill Parcells are telling you to take your toolbag out of the pickle jar on the mantle.

    Coaches swearing at players is as old as the NFL.

  • treeher

    Sigh. Just another reason to give him his walking papers.

  • WB Tarleton

    You know, back in 2015 when the Steelers were something like third in yards and fourth in scoring, he hadn’t played a snap of football either.

    It seems the orderly was a pretty good heart surgeon.

  • Mark

    Swearing at players does not bother me. Telling your HoF QB to “shut the f*#k” does. “Run the f’in play” ok. Shut up, never. Haley is not worthy to be ball boy.

  • Mark

    Didn’t like him then either.

  • WB Tarleton

    Seriously? A QB talking to his positional coach means something? I see the LBs talking to Porter all the time. I see the OL talking to Munchak.

    Positional coaches have jobs on Sunday too.

  • WB Tarleton

    I guess you have never seen Bill Cowher…or Mike Ditka…or Buddy Ryan…or Bill Parcells…

    Lunatics all then, with great NFL records.

  • RevDrEBuzz

    If Peezy is concerned, maybe everyone should be. LOL

  • Ralph Wagner

    Agreed, wouldn’t be a bad idea. I remember Chuck Noll and Bradshaw having disagreements so coach told Terry call your own plays. The Steelers haven’t had a decent offensive coordinator since. LOL

    Go Steelers

  • WB Tarleton

    Yeah, Ditka never talked like that…lol

    Men, in the heat of a moment in a testosterone filled environment, cannot even scream at each other anymore without someone’s feelings getting hurt. It was at Ben. Yet he is not complaining and you are. If our HoF QB has a problem with it, I don’t think he needs you to handle it or him.

    One of the greatest organizations in professional sports disagrees with you regarding Haley’s worth.

    I’ll take their word for it.

  • WB Tarleton

    Yeah, I get that.

    It surely has nothing to do with football and being successful at his job.

  • Mark

    LOL.

  • Mark

    I would never question Ditka, Cowher. And again, those two HoF coaches deserve their spot. Not our Caddy Shack OC

  • Gizmosteel

    I didn’t realize that being a great QB for years PAST placed him above criticism. He’s not having a good year but no one is screaming for Jones to start. Foolish Steelers fans kill me.

  • WB Tarleton

    Again, you just show that it is a dumb and irrational position on your part.

    If screaming foul language and berating players is wrong and a sign someone is unhinged, it is equally a sign for Ditka, Cowher, Parcells, etc. as it is Haley.

    Yet, you only have a problem with Haley doing it. It’s personal, not logical.

  • Mark

    Haley is terrible. I don’t think this already struggling team needs an unhinged golfer acting like a lunatic. Sorry that hurts you. You do understand the concept of opinion, right? Seems you do not. That ok. At least you spelled dumb correctly. Hang in there sport.

  • WB Tarleton

    I have no problem with opinion. Of course, there is a difference between opinion based on facts, reason, and logic, and opinion based on ignorance, personal animus, and logical fallacies.

    Yours is based completely on the latter.

  • Intense Camel

    FIRE HALEY

  • Intense Camel

    Haley friggin’ sucks

  • AndyR34

    Oh…that doesn’ count! They were only that good because of…um-m-m…ah-h-h…well Haley had nothing to do with it, so there! LOL. 😂

  • WB Tarleton

    Exactly. We had terrible QBs (actually, O’Donnell was darn good) before Ben, which somehow means that Ben must have played great in every game. lol

    Ben is the most important Steeler of the last 30 years but none of that means he has been good this season.

  • AndyR34

    Haley is the same guy…Ben is not.

  • WB Tarleton

    Just curious. Whose plays would Ben be calling?

    His own? Does he have a playbook he created? Or would he draw plays in the dirt in the huddle?

  • Jimbo

    no doubt..Half a ben is better than all the stop gap Qb’s they fielded after TB.
    Defense was SB caliber and they couldnt find a decent QB to run the offense.
    Cowher knew that and leaned heavily on the run game.

  • AndyR34

    Ah-h-h…that age-old sign of maturity…the gratuitous insult.

  • WB Tarleton

    Haley is also the guy who, on direction from the Rooneys, brought Ben from a guy who got his block knocked off 5-10 times a game and was due to be out of the league by 35 as a cripple to a guy whose uniform is usually pretty clean after 60 minutes and is still physically able to play.

    The Arians offense was fun but he is a QB killer.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    haley said get the effing play in.

    that being said. fark this mother farker.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    right because ben is going to publiclly disagree with a coach. righhhhht. that would end well for him.

  • dany

    Rosetta!

  • Michael Mosgrove

    ugh no. more like munchak saved him by teaching the o line how to freaking protect.

  • Jonathan Ferullo

    I mean, during games I scream at Ben too…..

  • Michael Mosgrove

    like landry jones.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    and fired from arizona.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i said twice yesterday to put landry in.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    they never did have a good relationship. they feigned it for the media.

  • Charles Mullins

    Nope BA gets QBs killed. Go ask the carousel of the Cardinals QB room. Ben was lucky.

  • WB Tarleton

    Ben’s sack numbers dropped precipitously from Arians to Haley, who was the OC two years before Munchak came on board.

    Of course, Munchak helped that out even further but Ben was getting sacked 45-50 times per year under Arians.

    Haley’s offense has the ball out much quicker than under Arians.

  • ImMikeD

    He wasn’t fired in AZ. KC hired him after their Super Bowl Run

  • ImMikeD

    Bobby Knight

  • WB Tarleton

    And I did not even mention Jerry Glanville because I think he WAS a lunatic. lol

  • Doug Andrews

    He got a promotion from Arizona OC to Head Coach in KC

  • Matt

    who cares about a coach yelling? The real concern is why this offense with amazing talent looks more like the 2000 Ravens than the 2017 Rams, Eagles or Saints who seem to put up 30 burgers and 40 Burgers like it’s nothing

  • WB Tarleton

    If you want to know how important a “good relationship” is, think Bradshaw and Noll.

    Noll was the godfather of Bradshaw’s kids, they had Christmas and Thanksgiving at each other’s house, Terry gave a eulogy at Chuck’s funeral, and Terry called him “dad.”

    What? That never happened?

  • Mark

    Ignorance? Reason? Logic? Do you watch games? Nice try, though.

  • Mark

    That is laughable. Successful. Where is the Lombardi for his success with one of the most talents and complete offenses in the League?

  • WB Tarleton

    Yes, I do watch. I’ll even break down film on occasion. Do you? You only bring vague claims to the table, nothing specific with examples.

    You remind me of the average fan who complains about Haley’s red zone play calling without ever knowing what plays were changed at the LOS by Ben.

  • Mark

    Let’s see how old Todd does against the Titans and Patriots.

  • Roberto Vaquero Bazán

    Mike Singletary showed his private parts to The 49ers Lol, now that is too much!

  • WB Tarleton

    Ben McAdoo and Adam Gase say hello.

  • Roberto Vaquero Bazán

    Amen to that, totally agree

  • AndyR34

    Facts? Facts? Don’t you know the haters aren’t interested in “fake facts”?

  • WB Tarleton

    lol So, a “Lombardi” is the only measure of success? LOL He was a Santonio Holmes toe touch away from getting it. Third in scoring that year and they scored over 30 in each of their playoff games.

    Similar numbers in Pittsburgh. Top 5 yards and scoring.

    But, hey, that’s not “successful.”

  • AndyR34

    How many seasons has Carson Palmer completed since Arians went to AZ? Two?

  • WB Tarleton

    But here is the problem. If we do score 30 (there is typically less scoring on Thursday nights), “old Todd” will not get an ounce of credit from you. It will be Ben, AB, Bell, etc.

    It is the ignorant football fans who always do it. Something goes wrong, blame the vague things like “game plan”, “play calling,” and “preparation” by the coach(es).

    When everything goes right, “Ben is great!”

    It’s all right though. Don’t fret. Not everyone can have more than a flaccid knowledge of football. I will not hold it against you.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    We had no line when Ariana was coach.

  • WB Tarleton

    The best evidence of someone winging it is jumping from one defense to another. First, it was “Munchak” did it. Refuted, now it is “Arians did not have an OL.”

    Let the facts drive your opinion, not vice versa.

  • Paul Rainey

    Maybe he was just trying to wake Ben up. Just to put things in perspective, the BROWNS went on the road against a better defense and scored 24 points. Do they really think they can beat the Patriots when the Colts back up was shredding them?

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Yeah is it me or does it seem like there is a ‘drama reporter’ following this team around?
    Enough already right?!

  • Michael Mosgrove

    You said that arians got Ben killed. It was the old line coach. Munchak solved those problems.

  • Doug McFee

    Steelers are due for a blowout win.

  • PaeperCup

    I can’t really tell from the GIF, but maybe he’s just sharing some cheesecake recipes.

  • Intense Camel

    Haley is ass.

  • WB Tarleton

    Who said “publicly?”

  • WB Tarleton

    That’s your third explanation. Try for a fourth?

    “When the Steelers changed offensive coordinators five years ago and team president Art Rooney II asked Ben Roethlisberger to “tweak” his game, it was done with the franchise quarterback’s future health in mind.

    The theory was that, with Roethlisberger approaching his 30s, he no longer could absorb the type of punishment he received in the first part of his career when he would try to extend plays until he found an open receiver or ended up on the ground.”

    Translation: Haley was hired in part to reduce Ben’s sacks.

    “Since Haley was hired, the team’s worst sacks-per-game average (2.63) is better than any of Arians’ five seasons as coordinator. Haley said Roethlisberger deserves credit for releasing the ball faster and buying into the short-passing game he implemented.

    “He is still the best in the world at extending plays when need be, but he is seeing what he needs to see, doing a great job preparation wise, pre-snap wise and the ball is coming out when it needs to come out,” Haley said. “He is still able to give you those great plays when you really need them.

    “I think he is really getting better each and every year.”

    Translation: It worked. Haley’s short passing game reduced Ben’s sack rate (and hit rate too) and was doing so BEFORE Munchak. Munchak did not come on board until 2014 and surely helped the downward sack trend.

  • Looks like he’s yelling, “Shut the f**k up!”

  • Mark

    Please promote Randy Fichner to OC and let Todd try his trade elsewhere:

    These plays are killers:
    1. TE/any screen we try
    2. 2,000 bubble passes
    3. MB or ER on the end around which teams see coming a mile away and we either gain 3 yards or lose 6
    4. Crossing routes on 3rd and forever

  • WB Tarleton

    Now look at Carson Palmer’s sacks during his career.

    2013-2017 (Arizona under Arians): 41, 9 (injured in game 6), 25, 40, 22 (injured in game 7)

    Prior to AZ (2004-2012), his worst sack year was 36 (2006, Bengals) and next highest was 26.

  • Ryan Alderman

    Who cares about the yelling. It’s execution and lack of being able to get proper play calls called that sounds pretty wild, right? I can only imagine the stuff these guys go through in a game…so much more than any of us “armchair coaches/QBs” will ever know or realize. Of course, we’re so much more qualified than any of them are at their jobs clearly, least according to quite a few of the posters on here who seem to have all the answers anyway… 😉

  • Ehrren Lee Phyzeque

    Not really. He’ll be missed. Just not as much as you think. The Show Goes On and after Bradshaw and before Roethlisberger they made it to a Superbowl and nearly missed out on several others. None other than Kordell Stewart got them to the brink on several occasions. Neil O’Donnell almost pulled it out in a Super Bowl except ODonnell choked.

  • Steel Your Face

    Quick question: Why the hell is Antonio Brown back there “returning” punts?! Might as well have NO ONE there. Beyond the pale…

  • John Pennington

    In the dirt would be better at this point.

  • Rick McClelland

    Amen Mark, Amen.

  • Rick McClelland

    Yelling has its place, and that place is on the sideline, locker room and practice. Not during the game. During the game, the OC needs to give concise instructions for the play and let the players execute. If your head player changes the play at the line, let him. The yelling can take place when it fails. Your head player is one of the best in the league and you need to trust his judgement and let him do his job.

  • WB Tarleton

    Not really. Andre Hastings ran a hitch when he was supposed to run an out. Steelers Nation always (wrongly) blamed O’Donnell though.

  • Zarbor

    Well, we were trying to find out why the offense looks so dysfunctional….now we know.

  • WB Tarleton

    You are ignoring the point. Any play Ben calls is Haley’s play.

  • WB Tarleton

    And what are you basing that on?

    Did you break down his work as OC at Arkansas State? At Memphis?

    Comments like that are why I thank God every day that the Rooneys, Colbert, and Tomlin make such decisions rather than fans.

    You (nor I, for the record) do not have have ANY idea whether Fichtner would make a decent OC yet you want to fire a guy with a history of top 5 offenses to hire him.

    Sounds like a recipe to become the Browns.

  • WB Tarleton

    He has been abysmal. It appears he has lost interest in it.

  • Chad Sanborn

    can anyone tell what he is saying in that .gif?

  • Chad Sanborn

    well maybe next year?

  • Mark

    Take a look at the stats above generated by the offense, we are boring and unimaginative on offense with all of the talent we have.

    I wougld suggest takin a look at the Rams offense under a 31 year old head coach who is using his talents to the max and producing points. Please tell me anything new you’ve seen from Haley this year. The plays and routes are the same. The only new wrinkle I’ve seen is the cross and up route ran by AB.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Shut the **** u — HEY! Shut the *** up!

  • Balok’s Plight

    He made a couple of “business decisions” yesterday

  • pittfan

    maybe one has to do with the other.

  • Chad Sanborn

    O’Donnell was decent. The SB he was in .. was..weird. He had a great arm but in that game, they only used it at the end when it was a losing cause.

  • Chad Sanborn

    no

  • Chad Sanborn

    ahhh i see it now. Yikes

  • Chad Sanborn

    but not necessarily the one Haley wants to run at the moment.

  • Chad Sanborn

    BA and TH are both horrible hires. Your inference that since we fired one and hired the other that the hiring must be right is a wrong conclusion. (i hope that makes sense). BA was decent for a while but the game passed him. Same with TH. The game changes each season. The OC has to keep up. Yet Haley has never kept up. He has never put his fingerprint on the team. As for Ben, I would argue that he isn’t the same guy as the one who had those great games a few years ago. Are you the same guy you were 4 years ago?

  • WB Tarleton

    All red herring that does not answer my point.

    You made a claim that we should promote Fichtner.

    What did you base that on?

    In addition to a red herring, the rest is just vague criticisms that take no analysis. “Boring”, “unimaginative” (Haley’s playbook is probably surpassed in imagination by only Andy Reid’s), with a talk of all the talent we have.

    And, yes, we do have talent. To imply we are not using it is silly. AB leads (or is near the top) the league in receptions, targets, and yards almost every year. Bell is used to the point of breaking down.

    Sometimes, the talent does not produce. Haley did not refuse to fight for the deep ball to MB. It was AB, not TH, who dropped the deep ball at the ten yard line. It is BR, not TH, who has overthrown receiver after receiver on the deep balls all season. It was Vance, not TH, who dropped the TD against the Lions. Players hold to stall drives, not TH.

    That’s not to say TH is near perfect. He has me head scratching at least 3-5 times per game. But, guess what? Every coordinator screws up. Other times, a play that we hate is called to set up another play later but we do not know about it. Even more times, we have no idea if Haley called the play that was run or if Ben audibled out of it at the LOS when the D gave a look he did not like.

    The problem is that fans are not 1) knowledgeable; and 2) fair. All credit goes to Ben and our favorite players and all blame goes to Haley, Tomlin, etc.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I like it. Shows fire. I always vote for fire over the Ben Macadoo…. “Uhhm, well, uhmm… er, uhm.” Tom Coughlin used to look like he was going to have a heart attack mid-game. You know who else used to look like that? Bill Cowher.

    I will say, I do think a couple of things are in order. Ben needs to take over more of the play-calling and just do what he wants, when he wants. I called for this semi-level-of-insubordination earlier this year, and now I’m hard doubling-down. When it sounds good and you think Haley is on to something, run his play. And when you think he’s not seeing something or is full of sh**, run whatever you think is best. If we can’t trust Ben at this point with this Offense, which is HIS team, then I don’t know who else has earned more of that right in the league. Brady maybe? Brees? But good luck dealing with Sean Payton if you tried that with his Offense. Lol.

    Also, I like how Haley must think he can totally get away with that on this team. What I mean is, he clearly believes he and Ben have a real brother-to-brother connection, where you can tell your brother to “Shut the fu** up.” Again, I personally think this a healthy and good thing, but I’m sure many other people don’t. But honestly, those people likely don’t have brothers or only have sisters. 🙂

  • Troy Day

    Joey’s expression is pure SHOCK – he’s never heard such language!

  • Darth Blount 47

    “Shut the oven door, Ben!”

  • Darth Blount 47

    That’s funny, because I try a more Zen approach. I rarely find myself mad at Ben. Disappointed? Oh, yeah. But mad enough to yell? Very rarely. Unless I knew he could hear me. I did yell at him once on the sideline during a game and he turned right around and smiled. But again, I was yelling encouragement if I remember correctly. Lol.

  • WB Tarleton

    Which is fine and mostly irrelevant.

    An OC makes a call with almost no information, not knowing the defensive personnel package or formation beyond an educated guess when he sends it in. That’s why two plays are often sent or Ben is given the ability to audible.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Good thing is, we haven’t yet given up 24 or more points in a single game, so we don’t NEED to score 30. EVER. (As of yet, of course)

  • WB Tarleton

    The difficult thing is remembering the league (and our offense) back then. We played “MartyBall.” O’Donnell was a game manager and very good at it. I always felt terrible that he got a bad rap for that SB interception.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    You’re an idiot.

  • WB Tarleton

    Actually, it would be Art Rooney who is the “idiot.” It was his call to bring in Haley and cut down on sacks.

    And they DID come down.

    That is why you have given up on debate and went instead for the naked insult, what someone uses when his quiver is bereft of arrows.

  • Intense Camel

    Jags scored 30 though it wasn’t because of the defense

  • Darth Blount 47

    Yeah, I should clarify… *on Defense. Good call.

  • Michael Conrad

    Wow. I think as much as I don’t like Haley. The problems on offense are more then his bad play calling.

    Ben has not been more then average most of the time. Bell looks beat up at times or something is not just right. The O line has not played at the level required to make the O run smooth. The TE’s are horrifying as a group in blocking and as receivers. Brown is a super player but is an unhappy player when the ball is not coming his way because his is covered at times.

    Tomlin is a one RB coach an this ties the offense into a no change of pace back offense. To me Bell has lost a step. The running game consists of the same plays from year to year.

    I believe Haley is the main problem but the one RB insistence of Tomlin plays into it. Very few teams rely on a one back system.

    The game plans lack imagination and is not design to take advantage of the other team weakness. They are not good enough to say here is what we like to do. Stop us if you can but it seems to be what Tomlin and Haley want to do.

  • Richard Andrews

    Is everyone forgetting who the defensive coordinator is for Indy? Sure the Steelers offense has been off track from everybody’s expectations, but they still put up the W’s.

  • Petherson Silveira

    Who are complaining about this is a crying baby. Everybody wants to win and sometimes nervous are high during games.

  • cmp100

    I don’t ever want to see Haley screaming at anybody, let alone one day HOF Ben Roethlisberger! Todd Haley is nobody. He should count his blessings he even is a coach for a team of the Steelers pedigree. His playcalling is terrible. All them trips in the red zone and he doesn’t call one lob play in the end zone to 6ft 5 receiver Martavis Bryant while he is being covered by a 5ft something cornerback.. The chiefs game we had 5 straight field goals.
    12 seconds before half in different game, 1st and goal with one time out and he calls for run play and got stopped. Field goal again! Everyone knows two pass plays for td, hopefully one. Most talented roster in NFL and 20 points a game is the result. Not many teams can stop our receivers on slant passes. We barely been running slant plays. The plays we scored with juju and Bryant were slants. Haley doesn’t maximize the teams strengths. Haley wanted to call something else and Ben changed it. Ben is a future hall of famer! Ben called the right play. Haley is the reason this team isn’t scoring up to its potential. He needs to not shout from sideline and be easy! Start calling better plays that maximizes the talent. That does include fast and tall Bryant!!

  • cmp100

    Exactly!!

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Looks more like get the effing play in to me.

  • walter

    Quarterback was our only weak position during those years.. O’Donnell was not bad.

  • heath miller

    yep petty much the same as i was 4 years ago … yeah ben has lost a step for sure .. but hes still as overall a top 10 QB

  • cmp100

    Completely in the way! I can’t believe it’s taken so long to be talked about. Bring in a good playcaller so we can get to the Superbowl!!

  • heath miller

    unfortunately .. you are absolutely correct ..

  • Jaybird

    Sums it up pretty good.

  • Axel

    U wanna hear screaming? Go to any Steelers fans house whenever the Steelers are on…..lol…..We make Todd Haley look like an amateur…….and we don’t just focus on one player. Everyone is fair game!

  • Axel

    The fans are more stressed about the games then the players are ……lol

  • Axel

    If they only took Marino, The Steelers would have at least two more Super Bowl titles. Just think back to 95, the defense was awesome but no decent QB

  • cmp100

    He needs to throw Haley under the bus because I’m not close enough to do it. Throw those sweep plays and bubble screens and vanilla red zone plays under there also!!

  • cmp100

    The two are absolutely connected! Get Jonah off this team!

  • francesco

    Haley is the mole.

  • gentry_gee

    I just read that the Colts defense is one of the worst in the league. The Steelers offense struggled mightily against this stingy defense.
    Therefore, as I’ve said before, the Steelers have one of if not THE worst offense(s) in the league. It looks to me that they don’t know what to do with all their offensive weapons. Furthermore, they don’t appear to have an offensive philosophy. They run the ball well at times, but then fail to disguise it and throw. They have zero interest in running play-action on a semi regular basis. Why bother running successfully if not to set up the defense? Their play-calling is haphazard and stubborn. Like run,run, pass and punt. They do the strangest things like going empty-set on third and 1. Why not line up to run to set up play-action in such situations? They’re so boringly predictable. Additionally they don’t take shots down the field when it is needed such as after a turnover or getting great field position. Cowher would do this all the time to take advantage of the emotion in the team. Tomlin has no interest in momentum. He will run it 99% of the time after a turnover or gaining great field position. This ‘playing small’‘ feeds right into the defense. I can’t imagine this pop-gun offense mounting much of a threat to the eventual AFC SB representatives, the dreaded New England Patriots. One of the great QBs of Steelers lore career has been wasted for the inept strategy of one man, Mike Tomlin.

  • charles

    Steelers “problems” can be solved with one simple thing. Ben needs to find accuracy on long balls. Single coverage on Marti still left defender with best chance at ball. Second half Ben is whom the Steelers need to show to beat quality qbs teams, which all teams in playoffs will be….

  • cmp100

    Tomlin gets some blame too for sitting by watching this offense sputter. The playcaller is Haley!!

  • MC

    We all know this isn’t the Ben we are used to but I watch other teams call plays that exploit mismatches and use things like misdirection to get guys wiiiiide open but I rarely see that out of this team. Haley is not a good coordinator, simple as that. Other coordinators get way more out of their offenses without a fraction of the talent.
    Running out of shotgun when they have more success with nix in the I form is just stupid. And have any of these slow developing toss plays from the shotgun worked successfully enough to keep trying them?
    This game should of made Haley apologists wake up.

    Ben isn’t throwing accurate or playing backyard football which is his strength so Haley should call up better plays with short and intermediate routes.

  • Bill Shirk

    They havent clicked because Haleys play calling sucks, .Lets run Bell up the middle 40 times he might break one, Jesus, in 40 attempts i could gain 100 yrds, all that talent is wasted because haley sucks

  • MC

    Why is it that the worst defences in the league look like the 85 bears against this offense.

  • Matt

    well, yeah 🙂

  • #7

    What has happened to this fan base. It’s become a complete embarrassment. Why don’t most of you just go over to “Patriots Depot.” You’re bigger fans of them than you are the Steelers.

  • Steve

    O’Donnell and Stewart were both terrible QB’s. Only got there with the D.

  • Nunya

    Kurt Warner’s wife once stated that Haley was the only one who could make Kurt cuss..lol

  • Mike Skinner

    You are right he never played football. I though I remember a reporter say he played small college football but I looked it up he did not. He played golf.

  • Steve

    Ben wanted Arians to stay, but it was killing Ben with the sacks and holding onto the ball too long. This is one of the reasons Haley couldn’t be head coach. He looses his cool and shoots off his mouth too much.

  • #7

    Haley is a documented jerk, and I don’t think he’s a great coach, but the incessant whining and complaining about him and everything else about this team is old and worn out.

  • Steve

    It was a good game and kept you on the seat of your pants the whole game.

  • WB Tarleton

    By your logic, then Bradshaw was terrible too. Even worse than O’Donnell, because O’Donnell did not have Swann, Stalworth, and Franco and the 90’s D was nowhere near the 70’s D.

    Bradshaw threw almost as many INTs as TDs (210-212), was under a 52% completion percentage, and a rating of 70.9. Neil had almost twice as many TDs (120) as INTs (68), a 58% completion percentage, and a 81.8 rating.

    Cowher liked to play “Martyball” (run, run, pass on 3rd and 3) and Neil was perfect for it. He was a game manager.

    Finally, I would point out that Ben also relied very much on his D the first few years. He did not exactly blow Seattle away in the SB. In fact, I remember that the networks would always put a graphic up of Steelers record when Ben throws under 25 times or over 25 times. It was considerably better in the “under 25 times” category. That did not change much until the D got old and we became a team based on offense.

  • MC

    Been saying exactly what you’re saying for awhile now. Couldn’t agree more with the personnel choices. Im so sick of seeing run plays out of shotgun when Nix makes the run game better. Go back to steeler smash mouth and line up in the I form and pound it then sprinkle in passes out of heavy formations to keep them guessing.
    Defenses seem to know what is coming which is why they execute better than the offense on a lot of plays.

  • Steve

    Colts were committing 8 to the box, so the Steelers had to throw. It was not Haley fault the Colts stacked the line. Haley also don’t run or toss the ball.

  • WB Tarleton

    Actually a couple who were very good OCs who are now head coaches, although the results are mixed there.

    Adam Gase and Ben McAdoo.

  • Michael Cunningham

    Not sure who’s the most responsible for the struggles on O.
    But one thing is for sure .. Big Ben is pulling the passive aggressive act on Haley big time in this interview.
    There is no love lost between those two … now or in the future.

  • Steve

    So your telling me Neil was better than Terry – Get lost! Neil threw away the SB in the end zone. With a back like Bettis, Steelers were smart to use the horse.

  • Brenton deed

    Yup very well written … he has personality issues but it’s best that everyone ignores it unless Tomlin or even Rooney step in. He must be a good coach or have a good football mind to get as far as he has.

  • WB Tarleton

    We already use the FB more than all but 5 or so teams. Of the teams who use it more, only New England can be described as having a top tier offense.

    Buffalo uses it the most by far. The other teams are Jax, Chicago, and SanFran. The median number of snaps for fullbacks is about 10. Not many. About 1/3 of the league each week doesn’t even use one.

    Martyball is dead.

    Passing out of “heavy formations” does not “keep them guessing.” It limits the amount of receivers they need to cover.

  • WB Tarleton

    I am not telling you anything. It’s your own logic.

    BTW, the clinching INT in the Super Bowl was not Neil’s fault. Andre Hastings was supposed to run an out and ran a hitch instead.

  • Brandon Watson

    CBS Sports has an article that reports Haley as being officially on the dreaded hot seat!

  • MC

    When it’s third and short and this team goes 5 wide then there is absolutely no guesswork, something this team has done too often.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Heck No!

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Like I stated. It’s too much talent for Haley. With all that talent. Why are we just relying on Bell? Haley. Doesn’t have a great system in place is the reason. We use the end around play every year. How many other teams run that crap a lot like we Do? I bet Belicheat belike: Dang I wish I had all that talent. He’ll probably score close to a 100 points

  • Reggie Cunningham

    Why do we take Bryant out and put Eli Rodgers in? Maybe I miss Bryant but I see Eli every time at the red zone. Like I said. Maybe I overlook

  • Todd Borax

    It’s about damn time. The panthers offense is a joke. Most weeks they can’t run the ball at all and their receivers can’t catch… And they just put up 40+ on the Phins tonight. Nobody on their offense playing right now would start on the Steelers at any offensive position. The only one who would would be Olsen, who is out injured.

  • Michael Pennant

    Haley gotta go. 4 top 3 players at their positions on offense, and the red zone offense is last in the league. I think he could benefit from being in the booth where he can see the defense more clearly instead of just going by his charts.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    because that means something.

  • Mark

    Randy Fichner has extensive Quartersback Coaching experience and I think Ben likes working with Randy. Even Tomlin is challenging Haley to get more aggressive. See report on going for 2, Tomlin took it out of his hands. Granted Ben has played very skittish, however, our plays are telegraphed and the defense knows what is coming. We need someone with more imagination, so if the LAR can improve tremendously over 1 year why can’t we with the talent we have.

    Also our offense ranks 10th or worst in most categories after 9 games which is downright unacceptable with our talent. Mike Tomlin has a bunch of talent that needs a fresh perspective.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    no they cant. ben’s accuracy on deep ball is only one long growing systemic problem. poor play calling. not tackling. having poor special teams. having underwhelming jammers. being unprepared after byes all have nothing to do with ben.

  • Mark

    BTW, are you related to Todd, because you don’t quote Todd’s history, which isn’t that great as well. We have come close to creating a wining strategy against the Pats since he’s been here.

  • NinjaMountie

    To summarize the comments:
    Haley sucks.
    Ben sucks.
    The Steelers suck.
    Fire everyone.

    The unsaid, but implied, sentiment:
    (Insert fan name) can coach and game plan better than the professionals.

  • Lambert58

    Like to see Peezy clock him cold.

  • Lambert58

    Let’s bring in Charlie Batch and see what he can do.

  • Iulo

    I might be one of the few who thinks Haley is not that bad and will not be fired.
    But, in a hypothetical event if he is fired, then who will be the OC?
    Is there any suitable coach right now in PIT to take over his job?
    forget bringing one from outside when you are already in mid-season

  • Sdale

    Yep. There was one play where Ben checked down to Bell and there were 3 guys within 5 yards of him. You would think a TE down the seam would be open there.

  • Sdale

    It wasn’t that long ago that Brady and McDaniels were screaming at the top of their lungs at each other. I’m not saying it wasn’t a little strange how much Haley was going off on him, but it does happen to even the most functional QB/OC combinations in the NFL.

  • Conserv_58

    I’ve wondered the same thing for quite some time and I’ve come up with a few reasons for it.
    * Coaching
    * Predictability
    * Lack of creativity
    * Match up issues
    * Poor communication
    * Poor execution
    * Player(s) attitudes
    * Outside interferences, (family issues, social media, endorsement deals, etc.)

  • B.N.A.Jerk

    Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3!

  • Conserv_58

    This is a well rationed and stated opinion that I agree with much of what was stated. As for the offensive issues you addressed they, of course, fall directly on Todd Haley. He is the architect of the dysfunction we see. Tomlin said of this team that due to the players they have on the roster it’s going to take a while to figure out what their identity is.

    I may be naive here, but IMO, a head coach should already have adopted an identity that he expects his team to have. He’s the one that selects whom he wants as his coordinators and I would think that before he enters into the interview process he already has a very clear idea of what type of offense and defense he expects to have. He then hires coordinators that fit those prerequisites. We know there are several variables involved in accomplishing that identity, but knowing what it is you want and expect clearly defines the team’s objectives and goals. Flexibility must be maintained, of course.

  • Conserv_58

    Ah, but you lose sight of the fact that this is a football discussion site where fans, right or wrong, come to express their opinions and even learn from other fans. In case you missed it there was never a requirement to have had prior NFL coaching or front office experience before being allowed to comment.

  • Conserv_58

    After seeing his vitriolic laced outburst directed toward Ben it just might be a good idea for Haley to be in the booth.

  • Delboka

    Haha no point. He doesn’t want to listen to what you’re saying…

  • Bob Loblaw

    If it’s anything like the rest of this year’s Thursday games we’ll have plenty to talk about.

  • Delboka

    Killing his sack because he was holding his balls too long.

    Learn proper English!

  • Conserv_58

    I would think that after seeing the nationally televised video of Haley telling Ben to STFU, twice, on top of watching his expensive and grossly underperforming offense sleep walk through two and a half quarters of the Colts game, Art Rooney II had seen enough. The Steelers’ 2017 offense is an exercise in futility and there is no justifiable reason for it to be that way with the talent Art has invested in.

  • Conserv_58

    Blaming Ben’s long ball for being the sole reason why the offense is struggling is patently absurd. I’ll give that he hasn’t been as sharp as in past years, but he can still lead this offense to a championship.

    Marti? It’s Martavis.

  • NinjaMountie

    Did I ever say there was a requirement? Did I ever say they couldn’t post their opinion? I merely summarized the comments from a big portion of the fans here.
    Also, to follow your thought, I’m also allowed to have an opinion and post it as well. So, I really didn’t miss anything.
    Edit: All that said, I have always posted that I don’t like Haley and hope he is let go soon. My comment was more to the lack of balance by some fans….all negative all the time.

  • NinjaMountie

    You may be right. However, it would be only fair to note that they’ve played the toughest defensive schedule in the league thus far. So, while the Steelers offense has certainly looked pedestrian this year I’m certain this is one of the reasons why.

  • NinjaMountie

    I have to agree with MC. When it’s very short yardage removing any run option is just foolish. EVERYONE knows Ben isn’t ever going to run.
    I don’t like it in short yardage and I don’t like it goal and anything from the 5 or under.

  • MP34

    Haley has made Ben a better QB, and he replaced the guy that Ben loved (Arians). I never expected this to be comfortable or easy. And for the last few seasons, it’s worked pretty well. I also think some of this is related to Ben’s retirement talk. At times, I question Haley’s play calling, but I like him overall. I still think he’s better than Arians.

    Find a way to get along guys, you need each other. And you both can do better.

  • T R

    also made Ben a healthier Ben. if Arians would been still here Ben would been retired due to injury or on IR every year. just like Carson Palmer.

  • The Big Cheese

    Make wide receivers of today take the stick ’em gloves off and completion percentages drop all across the NFL.

  • Brian Miller

    He made Larry Brown a millionaire!! That was such an epic comeback too, and the way our defense played for to toe with that brutal Dallas offense…smh.

  • Brian Miller

    You know, every time I think about this, I have to take some Zoloft…

  • Roblisberger

    Are you suggesting Todd Haley has invented every play in our playbook? I’m sure most teams have at least 75% of the same plays

  • Cavallonator

    Exactly true… Not saying either is ideal, but a new QB is the reality of the next 1 to 3 years and we know the Haley offense works.

    Options are there too – Cousins, Bridgewater, Luck (maybe), potentially in the draft, make a trade for someone…

    they could get a good, efficient qb that will be able to get the ball to AB/Juju/LB, but could they afford to totally reset their offense? O line is awesome, WRs are awesome, RBs are awesome, TE is so so, but QB is still in the air.

    i say drop the hammer on haley and tell him to stop trying to show teams he could beat them in a million different ways and call games according to what we are good at (run the f’n ball and stretch the field)

  • Cavallonator

    hahaha that is the dumbest comment ever… Ben has been mediocre at best this season and for you not to see that after watching all of those other mediocre qbs is quite concerning… Also not saying to get rid of the guy or bench him, but would be nice if he didn’t make these situations worse once and a while. Definitely a drama queen. No way to argue that.

  • RevDrEBuzz

    People like Haley who can take the time during a game to go off on psychotic screaming fits…they’re just not good. Yet another weird distraction from this team, a weekly occurrence.

  • RevDrEBuzz

    Bingo, if the guy is screaming obscenities constantly instead of working on getting plays in on time and clearly, that’s just detrimental to winning the game. How many times have his tantrums caused problems?

  • Jonathan Ferullo

    Yeah, you’d think I’d realize that he can’t hear me through the TV screen, but for some reason I keep trying. I am getting better though. I don’t even sweat that first INT he throws each game now. Not even a blip on the old blood pressure nowadays.

  • Aj Gentile

    You can’t blame all the issues with this O with Haley. Does he make questionable play calls? Yes. But Ben hasn’t been the same, by missing open players and not being as accurate. Then there are players dropping touchdown passes and having slight misses. And the red zone % is an issue but again I think it falls on all parties. They made that 2 point look easy though, so who the hell knows.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    I’m of two minds about Haley. On one hand, his arrival has led to a much more balanced offense overall, and Ben hasn’t been getting killed like he was years ago. But I’ve also been left scratching my head lately over game scripts and play-calling.

    Those pointing to Ben’s shortcomings this season aren’t wrong, either. The big downfield plays are in the playbook because the Steelers have the weapons to call them, and Ben can—or could—make those plays. And in recent years, they’ve been there. Long bombs against the Chiefs and Jets last season (Coates), for instance. They can really set the tone. But for whatever reason, they just aren’t coming together.

    I wonder what the confidence level of the offense is right now. Halfway through the season, I’m sure most expected they would be “clicking” by now.

  • WB Tarleton

    There was no mention in his comment about “short yardage” and having a completely empty backfield (removing any run option).

    Since about week three or so, we have used Nix more than most teams use their FBs.

  • Steelerbob

    I have some kind of opinion i want to express

  • Steelerbob

    Anyone who has that opinion is an idiot and not a real steeler fan

  • Steelerbob

    here are some facts as to why i think the way i do

  • WB Tarleton

    All that matters now is Todd’s NFL history.

    He ran a top flight offense in AZ and brought them to a Super Bowl. They scored 30+ points in each pf their three playoff games that year.

    He has run an offense in Pittsburgh that has been in the top three.

    Once you establish yourself in the NFL at a coaching position, your history in college becomes irrelevant.

  • Steelerbob

    You are an idiot. here are the real facts

  • Steelerbob

    Thinking like that is crazy. you are a moron

  • Steelerbob

    No, you are

  • WB Tarleton

    None of the information you provide (e.g. you “think” Ben likes working with Fichtner), gives any insight into his ability to run an offense.

    What type of offense would he run? Is he pro-style? West Coast? Does he like power run concepts or zone? Did he improve things at Arkansas State and Memphis?

    You probably couldn’t pick him out of a lineup. But, hey, make him OC because you heard the name before and you “think” Ben likes him!

    PS Coaches and players do not need to “like” each other. Just ask Terry and Noll.

  • WB Tarleton

    Haley chose every play in his playbook (other coaches or players may suggest too but Haley chooses unless Tomlin requests an addition). It’s his playbook.

    He chooses what’s in it. He chooses the plays that are put into the game plan and practiced all week.

    The original author of a specific play is irrelevant.

  • NinjaMountie

    MC WB Tarleton • 13 hours ago
    When it’s third and short and this team goes 5 wide then there is absolutely no guesswork, something this team has done too often.

    I read all of his comments and I assumed you did as well. Sometimes they don’t show up so you may have missed it.

  • Steeler Nation!

    You’re showing a complete lack of knowledge of the rules of that era. Bradshaw came into the league during a time when the O line couldn’t use their hands to pass protect. There was no bump and run rule. WRs got killed going across the middle and it was blamed on the QBs for ‘hanging them out to dry”. There was no such thing as a ‘defenseless receiver”. And QBs could be hit like anyone else. It was such an era that an immobile QB like Tom Brady (who everyone loves the crown as the best ever) couldn’t have survived. The best QBs of that day and time were able to run, buy time, scramble, and they all took shots. By the way, when the rule changes really started to slant toward offense and the passing game for the 1978 season, Terry Bradshaw was the MVP of the NFL and led them to a Super Bowl title. Problem was, he had already played the majority of his career before the rules changed. There is a legitimate reason why all passing and receiving leaders are from players that came along in the 1980s and later, and it isn’t strictly that the players are better. Me personally, I would LOVE to see Tom Brady play against the 1975 Steelers.

  • Mark

    You actually believe Todd is running the offense, LOL, yes he’s running it, in the ground with predictable play calls game after game. By your analysis Tomlin should’ve never became the Steelers head coach. I agree that players don’t need to like their coach, however, I think it helps at the QB position. Chuck (head coach not OC) didn’t get close to players because he knew he would eventually have to cut them.

    Also, why is his time in Ark St. or Memphis relevant when all they would consider is his NFL experience?

    But hey, I’m done replying. Go Steelers let’s win Thursday night and keep this training going. Cheatriots on the way and I hope LeBeau and Todd putting together a great game plan that can be executed.

  • Steeler Nation!

    This is stupid. Most coaches yell. And their voices get really loud in pressure situations sometimes, when the entire stadium is loud. Give it to Haley that he understood the magnitude of the situation and that we needed to the right play in, on time. It needs to be cleaned up, but I don’t know any coach that wouldn’t have been hot.

  • MP34

    Since 2008, we’ve been hearing that this is a “30 point offense” mostly from Ben. It wasn’t then, it’s not now. And what’s been the constant? The Quarterback. As it should be, the coach takes the blame for this, but the QB has to share some blame in all of this.

  • WB Tarleton

    You stated: “You actually believe Todd is running the offense, LOL, yes he’s running it, in the ground with predictable play calls game after game. ”

    A claim you make with no actual evidence or analysis, you (and others) just repeat the claim over and over.

    You stated: “By your analysis Tomlin should’ve never became the Steelers head coach.”

    How silly. I never said at the time the Steelers should have hired Tomlin. Why? Because I had hardly heard the name before and did not have a good grasp of how he did as an assistant and DC. I also did not have access to his former bosses and colleagues nor was I in the interview room. The Rooneys and Colbert, I expect, were. You have even LESS knowledge about Fichtner, not even KNOWING if he gets along with Ben. You only “think” he does. Yet you have already named him as the next OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So, yeah, the Tomlin situation is just like Fichtner except for the millions of ways it is not.

    You stated: “Also, why is his time in Ark St. or Memphis relevant when all they would consider is his NFL experience?”

    College experience would not be the most important information to THE STEELERS. However,our discussion is not about them. They have been with Fichtner the last several seasons, seen how he contributes to the playbook, works with players in practice, etc. Unless you are about to come out as a Steeler employee you have not had access to such information. In other words, virtually the only information YOU could have as to his suitability as an OC is what he did at Arkansas State and Memphis.

    Face it. You based your comment on nothing. I suspect you did not even know that he ever worked for those two schools. You just threw a name into the conversation with zero knowledge of his qualifications or if he would even be close to an equal to Haley.

    As I said originally, it sounds like a recipe to become the Browns.

  • WB Tarleton

    For Pete’s sake, read the thread. “By your logic…” has a meaning.

    I never claimed O’Donnell was better. I followed the ridiculous logic of the other poster.

  • Cavallonator

    Thanks for this! I didn’t realize that the o line couldn’t use their hands. That is very hard to imagine.

  • Brandon Watson

    Hey buddy, yea I can’t think with what I know of Big Ben’s personality (which isn’t a whole lot) he doesn’t strike me as the type that takes being talked to like that as motivating or anything but demeaning. lol

  • Brandon Watson

    No, I just thought it was interesting and extremely believable. The only thing, and it’s a pretty big reason, why I don’t think it will happen is that’s not the Rooney’s style. That said … Art Jr, is in control now and if he asks Coach T what they should do and he says change it up … I think he would do it.

  • MC

    Nailed it.

  • Rick McClelland

    Haley is clearly a paranoid schizophrenic and clearly showed that when he was the head coach of Kansas City and literally had conspiracies all cooked up about the organization and the people after him. I’m all about a man having a fresh and better start somewhere else, but some of those same tendencies seem to be rearing their ugly head again.

  • Mark

    Ok Todd Haley

  • Brandon Watson

    Perhaps, but certainly a Collective Bargaining Agreement that stipulates players have a minimum of 4 consecutive days off, and that those days must include a Saturday or Sunday, might have something to do with it. The CBA limits padded practices during the season. They are only permitted 3 during the last 7 weeks. So, in our case, I feel, at least this year … given our health … it almost worked against us. But it didn’t, ultimately!

  • Ehrren Lee Phyzeque

    I would agree with part of what you said. That would be the Ben as game manager which is essentially 25 passes or less. But let me help you understand football since you weren’t old enough to have watched Bradshaw in the 1970s ie the Super Steelers. Unlike you, I saw it all in real time not highlights. Since you like logic I’ll let you marinate on this. Terry Bradshaw played in a completely different era may as well been on a different planet. He played when actual tackle football rough house football old school brand of physical football was played & by comparison would be outlawed today or is outlawed today. Roethlisberger plays in a completely passer friendly league where they all but made playing defense illegal. QB quarterbacks can barely be touched. Yet Roethlisberger can’t even dominate in this era as he’s not even considered Elite. He’s not statistically dominant nor has he ever been.

    Here’s a little stat for you. Roethlisberger vs Brissett. Roethlisbergers stats aren’t that much better than Brissetts
    And Brissett was traded to the Colts the week of their first game and did not play until the fourth quarter of week one!!! This is your hundred million dollar 14-year veteran NFL quarterback.

    No, I don’t think you really want to get into a debate about Terry Bradshaw versus Ben kRoethlisberger, Lol

    And trust me when Roethlisberger leaves the Steelers will be just fine in fact they’ll be better. They’ve been around almost a hundred years and over 70 of them were without Roethlisberger

  • Brandon Watson

    That’s a great question man .. it would be very un-Pittsburgh like to make such a dramatic move mid-season during a promising year. I’ve seen other teams handle that kind of decision by promoting the QB coach or if the head coach has an offensive coordinating background (obviously we don’t) then they’ve taken over.

  • Ehrren Lee Phyzeque

    Neil O’Donnell got us to the Superbowl. And Kordell Stewart got us to at least two AFC championship games at home that Bill Cowher lost. I’ll take that deal and bring them both back under these rules. The same rules that favorite quarterbacks these days but yet Roethlisberger can’t dominate under.

  • gentry_gee

    THIS. EXACTLY. Play Steeler football.

  • Steve

    This is a football site buddy, not an english lesson. You need to learn football. I got it right.

  • Delboka

    The sex site?

    Sounds hot.

  • WB Tarleton

    Sigh, I get the difference in eras. I was using another poster’s “logic”, not making arguments for or against Bradshaw, O’Donnell, or Ben.

    By HIS logic, Terry must have also sucked because of a great D and he had wonderful offensive weapons.

    I also am old enough to have watched Terry play live during the Super Bowl runs.

    I posted the stats comparing Brissett and Ben two days ago. Thanks for borrowing my thoughts though. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

  • Ehrren Lee Phyzeque

    Lol, OK. That’s a good stat and a very good point. But it’s lost on too many. Yes sir I’ve been around and have been watching this team since 1975. And I’ll just say if Bradshaw played under Goodell rules, then the league would change the rules again like they always do whenever the Steelers dominate. Notice they’re not changing the rules now that the Patriots are dominant.