2014 NFL Scouting Combine Results

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The 2014 NFL Scouting Combine is getting underway now in Indianapolis, Indiana at the Lucas Oil Stadium and we will soon be starting to compile the 2014 NFL Combine Results. The scouting combine is an invitation only event, open only to invited college players and NFL team officials. The testing and evaluations include: physical measurements, injury evaluation, drug screen, cybex test, wonderlic test, interviews, 40 yard dash, 225 lb bench press, vertical jump, broad jump, 20-yard shuttle, 60-yard shuttle, three-cone drill and position-specific drills.

Below are links to each specific player position grouping. The combine stats are compiled as we receive them and none of them should be considered official, especially the 40 yard dash times. We will fill in these links as we start to get the height and weight results coming in starting on Thursday.

Make sure to bookmark this page. The on the field work will begin on Saturday and we will be updating all of the times as they happen.

The links will become live below as soon as that groups results start coming in.

2014 NFL Combine Results: Offensive Linemen
2014 NFL Combine Results: Tight Ends
2014 NFL Combine Results: Quarterbacks
2014 NFL Combine Results: Running Backs
2014 NFL Combine Results: Wide Receivers
2014 NFL Combine Results: Defensive Linemen
2014 NFL Combine Results: Linebackers
2014 NFL Combine Results: Defensive Backs
2014 NFL Combine Results: Specialist

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  • steeltown

    Hey Bryan, I read that the 2014 cap might go up nearly 5% close to $130MIL… any truth to this??? That would be great for us!

  • Matt Manzo

    Why aren’t the times official?

  • Derick L Young

    you must of read right because that is the case.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    My 5 bits of advice to Combine-followers:

    1) For every x number of prospects that blows up the Combine, half will make it in the NFL and half will be just “workout warriors.” Accordingly, for every blue-chip NFL player that comes out of this year’s Combine, half will do great and half will put uninspiring efforts.

    2) 40 yd dash, benching reps, etc. mean jack squat for the vast majority of positions (at most DB > WR). More important is technique, form, and ability to learn/adjust to different NFL systems/schemes.

    3) Most important thing to take away from the Combine is who has the most brains and self-motivation. Richard Sherman was absolutely on point when he said the LOB had All-Pro minds as well.

    4) Don’t listen to anyone’s perceptions about the draft (especially Kiper and McShay, though Mayock talks more sense than both put together) except yours. They will all hail each prospect as a franchise-saving prospect with minimal weaknesses who “are able to contribute immediately”. Watch the tape yourself and look for both their strengths and weaknesses.

    5) Because of need in today’s NFL (and historically), the Combine disproportionately helps the draft stock of CBs, OTs, and pass-rushers – so keep that in mind when unbiasedly judging a prospect.

  • Steve

    With you on the majority of this, got my up vote. Tom Brady had so many negitives from the combine it would make your head spin. Workout warriors mostly look good, but many do not play that way and are too much into themselves and not team players. Football is a team sport and to win the Super Bowl the Team must thrive, and not just some individuals. Athletes only go so far and must be coachable and study to excell. Just look at Vince Young=Great Athlete, but would not study.

  • shawn

    The only thing you ever needed to know about Tom Brady’s future success is that he went to Serra H.S. !!! … but seriously the combine is just another tool in the toolbox to judge the players it definitely has its uses and not just the drills, tests … teams get a better sense of who the players are as individuals and future teammates … I for one think all the Draft Experts points of view are valuable … everyone just has to filter out the good from the garbage and make up their own minds.

  • cp72

    I went through the best times of the different drills since 2007 (yes I need to get a life). One drill that Colbert draft picks showed up in with a good deal of consistency was top 60 yard shuttle times. If you get a chance check it out. I think there may have only been one time in the last 6 years that the Steelers didn’t take someone who finished in the top 10 of the 60 yard shuttle. Thought that was interesting.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Very neat! I’ll ask you a follow up to that – why the 60? If anything I would pay more attention to the 10 or 20 to judge 0-to-x acceleration. Or at least subtiming the first 10 of the 40 yd dash (that’s when you knew Jevon Kearse was going to be a beast because he reportedly tied Deion for the fastest first 10).

  • cp72

    I have no idea. Looks like they use it for a good barometer for DBs. Cortez Allen Joe Burnett Curtis Brown were three names I remember showing up

  • Matt Manzo

    Wow. OL Russell Bodine 42 reps of 225! The workout warrior watch begins!

  • Jason

    LOL. I think the bench press is the least important of all these drills but guys will help or hurt their stock depending on their bench #’s. It goes with the world’s obsesssion with “How much ya bench?” I weigh 230 lbs and my best with 225 is 33 reps but trust me nobody on this site wants me protecting Big Ben’s blind side. I’d like to think my 40 time would clock in under 7 or 8 seconds but I’m making no guarentee on that so Rb is out too I guess. I’d like to see a lift that measures full body strength like the deadlift or power clean incorporated into the combine or I think it would be interesting to make these guys bench their bodyweight for reps instead of watching 340 lb lineman throw 225 around for 40+ reps. Now I’m rambling…

  • WIINGY

    Looks as though Matthews, Robinson, and Lewan are locks to go before 15

  • cp72

    Don’t know if that’s a bad thing. I think 4 qbs and 3 tackles going in the top 14 only enhances our pick.

  • shawn

    The bench is one of the most useless measures around way too many ppl put too much stock in it, but sometimes it gives a little insight … it did confirm what we all suspected that JJ needs to get in the weight room more often …

    Interesting that you said you would like to see the players bench their bodyweight for reps … cuz that is exactly what we did at Nevada under Ault … although the combine does a pretty good job i wouldn’t mind seeing some changes … i would like to see the below changes as soon as possible as much of what they do is outdated starting off with …

    1. 40 times done in pads/uniform on turf/grass… i could careless what they run on the track or in tights … the game isn’t on a track or played in tights

    2. different distances for diff players … dont see any reason for lineman to do 40’s absolutely useless

    3. instead of bench as a measure of strength … like u said incorporate more moves/metrics and more position specific

  • cp72

    Eric Ebron reminds me of a slightly bigger and a little slower Dustin Keller.

  • shawn

    I hope not … i think thats bad

  • shawn

    i have absolutely no problem with that

  • Nolrog

    It’s not a bad thing. I wish 14 QBs would go before. LOL. I love that we’re getting information now though. That will help people make better predictions on who will be available for our pick and we can then argue about who we think would be the best choice.

  • Matt Manzo

    His short arms make it pointless too.

  • Matt Manzo

    I can’t see the full chart in my iPhone. Am I doing something wrong?

  • Aric Brown

    Works on my droid… occasionally crashes the web browser though

  • cp72

    You must have arms like a T rex. 33 reps is 11 more than Patrick Willis and 7 more than Peyton Hillis that’s two pretty jacked up dudes and they both around 240 lbs.

  • cp72

    Who runs the fastest 40 today? I am going with Dri Archer 4.28. Take a guess…

  • Jason

    LOL. No I’m around 5’11 with normal arm length for my height but have always been a pretty good bench presser. My point was it has almost no carry over to the football field being that I couldn’t block a guy like Willis or tackle a guy like Hillis despite outperforming them in the bench press. I was a good high school and small college player and didn’t take weights all that serious at the time . In my late 20’s I began powerlifting and still compete at 35 y.o but I’ll be the first to say I’m way less flexible and agile after adding a lot of muscle. The fact that these guys can weigh as much as they do and still move like they do is extremely impressive. I think a guy like Ziggy is a good example. We always hear about how he is the strongest guy on the team in the weight room and it doesn’t seem to carry over to the field very often.

  • Jason

    I agree with all 3

  • taztroy43

    For all the Evans nay sayers out there…have you seen Evans…the guy looked very smooth through the gauntlet and most of the onfield drills….the guy was getting a lot of praise from mayock and he even compared him to vincent jackson like I’ve been telling people….Evans didn’t drop a pass or double catch anything…mayock n eisen praised him for that….if the guy breaks a 4.5…he already ran an unofficial 4.47 n 4.5….he will not make it to us at 1.15…..I honestly wanted evans for us but I think he now is out of our reach after looking smooth and fast with really good hands in the drills….benjamin for me looks tight in the hips and not as explosive like I’ve been saying to people since the beginning…..
    The guy that surprised me with his smoothness and natural handcatching with explosive top end speed with above average size is Martavius Bryant Clemson 6’4″ 211 ran a 4.33 n 4.34 unofficial….the guy reminds me of S. Hill from the jets…..he was my sleeper pick for our 3rd round pick but I think he’s made himself a lot of money after the combine….again his own wr teamates(watkins n hopkins) at clemson and position coach said he is the most athletic and has the highest ceiling out of all the recievers at clemson….If evans is not there in the 1st I think we can trade down in the 2nd and take M. Bryant or even the Adams kid from fresno state he looked smooth and with natural hands with the drills(Ive watched this kid quite a bit) and he seems to be solid in every aspect of a reciever(mayock even said Adams is solid in every aspect(not in those exact words))…Adams reminds me of a more athletic cotchery….

  • cp72

    Yeah I doubt with those numbers Bryant gets out of the 2nd round.

  • taztroy43

    I agree….i think he made himself a lot of money….a lot of people criticized him for leaving early because he’s very raw with very little production(ala Stephen Hill from the Jets who went in the 2nd) …but I think the Steelers can develop this guy and he can be used like mike wallace as a rookie because they can both take the top off the defenses….I hope we consider him in the 2nd if he’s there or even trade down in the 2nd and pick him up later because like you said he might not make it out of the 2nd…

  • Aric Brown

    MONCRIEF is tearing it up today

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    OFFICIAL FORTY YARD DASH TIMES (WR):

    4.33 – Brandin Cooks (Oregon St)
    4.34 – John Brown (Pitt St)
    4.40 – Donte Moncrief (Ole Miss)
    4.40 – Paul Richardson (Colorado)
    4.42 – Jeff Janis (SVSU)
    4.42 – Martavis Bryant (Clemson)
    4.43 – Odell Beckam (LSU)
    4.43 – Sammy Watkins (Clemson)
    4.43 – Albert Wilson (Ga St)
    4.44 – Jalen Saunders (Oklahoma)

  • StarSpangledSteeler

    For reference, Mike Wallace ran a 4.33 forty.

  • Brian Miller

    Read a report that said it might go up to $132 million.

  • Brian Miller

    Thanks.

  • taztroy43

    He is, but mayock said he doesnt see that speed on game tape….remember game speed is different than 40 time speed…mayock said watkins plays in the 4.3 range despite running a 4.43 40 time….just saying

  • WIINGY

    If Lewan fell though, could you pass on a franchise LT? I don’t think the Steelers could. I’ve heard some say the top 3 OT are all better prospects than Eric Fisher.

  • Matt Manzo

    Props to one of the Dave’s! Pretty sure he was telling us to watch out for M Bryant awhile ago? I wouldn’t be afraid of taking him in the 2nd. These are the types of picks we’ve been missing on.

  • SFIC

    If Evans is going to be special in the NFL he will need to learn more than his simple, bread and butter side line route. He will need to learn to separate too. There aren’t drills at the combine to expose this. I’m sure NFL teams will notice this on tape and decide thru interviews and predraft visits how capable he will be overcoming those obstacles.

  • SteelersDepot

    He was in my last mock. Talked about him on the last podcast or so as well.

  • SFIC

    It sure would be nice for Archer to find a home in the NFL. If not he is taylor made for the CFL

  • WIINGY

    I’ve seen a lot of his highlights where he is catching the ball with massive separation. I know just highlights.

  • WIINGY

    Rainey part deux! You just called our 5th round comp pick.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    No wonder! I couldn’t remember why I had seen him before and why I had looked for more videos on him. Thanks to you guys! I really did like him and if memory serves, you had him in the 4th. I was thinking, “man would this guy be great in the 4th!”. Oh well. Not meant to be in that round. Perhaps 3rd. I just get this feeling that the Steelers will wait until the 3rd at least to pick a WR as is their usual protocol. Especially this year, with the supposed depth.

  • taztroy43

    Hello Steelersdepot, are you guys going to put up a draft profile on mike evans? Also I know youguys covered m.bryant but it would be nice to see a breakdown of him as well because he might be a possibility for us…like youguys have been mentioning…also I like the kid out of fresno state devante adams…mike mayock said if he runs a 4.4 he would probably go late 1st early 2nd(he ran a 4.5) but he’s solid all around he has deceptive speed, high points the ball, catches in traffic is a decent blocker n has good size….n was highly productive…he seems to me like a more athletic/explosive cotchery type…keep up the great work steelerdepot! Youguys r the best!

  • taztroy43

    What you just said can be attributed to the majority of college wrs coming out…imo benjamin is the one that has a steeper hill to climb than evans…

  • SFIC

    True, all college players will have their strengths and weaknesses. But, there are many WRs who are good route runners and can separate but don’t have Evans height and hands maybe.
    I agree that Benjamin will need to adjust more than Evans

  • WIINGY

    He looks pretty unimpressive to me. Good workout though.

  • steelster

    archer ran a 4.26 wow, I believe cj2 holds the record at 4.24

  • shawn

    Evans had a good day on all counts, but none of that translates in his play … he’s not smooth, no separation and too slow … wouldn’t touch him … interesting that he and lee had basically the same times and yet their play on the field couldn’t be further apart !

  • shawn

    he is right moncrief’s game speed is not as fast as he ran … Evans is similar and i think he will be a one dimensional player in the pros that will have to use his massive body to get production, nothing wrong with that but not what i would be looking for … we already get that from Heath

  • shawn

    dont like it for a 2nd round pick

  • shawn

    i completely agree … just dont see it translating at the next level

  • shawn

    i like Archer … big fan of his … plays tough .. can split out and actually run well as RB as well .. even inside, much stronger and tougher than his size … much like Tavon but faster … ridiculous speed which if you can believe plays even faster on tape

  • shawn

    was pretty sure he was going to put up the top number in the 40 … crazy insane speed

  • shawn

    much more of a playmaker and talent than Rainey … hope we get him !

  • Matt Manzo

    I’m just excited by all the fast 40 times from the big guys! Would you take him in the middle of the 3rd? (If we had a pick there, which I think we’ll end up trading down for if Gilbert isn’t there in the 1st)

  • WIINGY

    Keenan Allen ran a 4.71
    Out produced all other rookie WRs last year.

  • steelster

    archer and de Anthony Thomas from Oregon I see as the same. Return specialists in the nfl and maybe slot receivers, like dexter mccluster of the chiefs. Would only draft these guys in the 5th round or later.

  • Matt Manzo

    I’ll admit I wanted Justin Hunter over Allen!

  • taztroy43

    He is smooth decent athlete for his size…there is a big difference between him n lee(diff. Wrs types)…how do u compare a 5’11” guy to a 6’5″ guy…funny because to me your describing k. Benjamin…well I guess mayock doesnt know what hes talking about n obviously you do since none of what evans did translates to the field lmao….mayock says that evans to him is like vincent jackson…did you even hear all the praise mayock was giving evans? Evans is not too slow either…look at his stats n n the level of competition … they will tell u the exact opposite of what your saying! Hes very raw as a route runner but like mayock said he can use his size to beat people n occasionally beat poeple over the top….mayock also said evans has very reliable hands….n like most recievers has to learn the nuances of the game…big recievers dont always have to get separation….and sometimes they have to make contested catches. ..see V. Jackson, B.Marshall, A. AJeffrey, K.Allen, A.Boldin, Megatron, D.Bryant, A. Thomas, J. Jones, A.J. Green, R.white, J.Jones, E. Decker, J. Nelson, J. Gordon, R. Cooper….etc etc…every wr has to learn at the next level but to say evans is unathletic/slow/unable to separate on the field is just silly…imo I think he can be a v jacks type that can occasionally burn some nfl cb…

  • taztroy43

    If we dont draft evans I hope hes a bust lol…

  • steelster

    yes, but would you pick Vincent Jackson with the 15th pick in the draft, I wouldn’t

  • shawn

    i was only comparing lee and evans 40 time at the pro day … which was virtually the same yet their speed on the field is night and day … I’m sorry but he doesnt get separation from what i’ve seen .. i dont think he is smooth … matthews is what i call smooth … evans can be successful as a big bodied WR nothing wrong with him using his size but i think he is a little one dimensional …

    dont care what Mayock says i obviously have a different opinion, while Benjamin has a little bust potential as well i just see him as more athletic ( yes i realise he had a slower 40 time) read about benjamins practises they have become legendary and he also put up decent numbers … Benjamin just jumps out on tape to me more … personally i would rather trade down get one of the TEs and try to pick up Mathews in the second with trade up if necessary

    i realise you like Evans .. i think a lot of us here either like him or dont … doesnt seem to be much middle ground … another thing that kind of goes unsaid is that i think he benefitted from Manziel’s style of play which sorry to say will not be helpful at the next level … after those pedestrian numbers Manziel put up my bust rating on Manziel just increased to about 90%

  • shawn

    Ya thats where they are projected to go … 5-7th rounds .. and i have no problem with that … Bell is our work horse & he needs close to 20 touches a game … we dont have room for another power back … Dwyer short yardage about 5 touches a game and a change of pace back like DAT/ARCHER for another 5-10 touches a game plus they upgrade our KR position … i think thats a good fit for a 6th rounder .. no ?

  • steelster

    shawn, I’m not a fan of evans either. For me I think the first pick should be marquise lee because I don’t see him being much behind Sammy wakins.

  • shawn

    Actually take a look at Archer when used as a RB amazingly he does pretty well between the tackles … GREAT vision and elusiveness in traffic and always looking 2-3 moves ahead !

  • steelster

    yes, but if he runs into a 330 lb. defensive lineman they will snap him in two.

  • shawn

    Sammy Watkins is a Stud … but Lee looks nice … just think a big guy would help complement us … I’m most concerned about the RZs … is it just me or are FGs getting tiresome … its almost like a negative outcome when u score 3 pts … u only get so many chances in a game and the more FGs you put up the better chance you have of losing the game

  • shawn

    it doesnt always work like that … he takes hits well … sometimes its very hard to get a clean hit on the little guys .. i really wouldnt worry about him being fragile … check his tape out

  • Matt Manzo

    Would be perfect! As much as we need to nail the top of the draft, we also need the bottom to produce some role players. The extra underclass men this year really works in our favor!

  • Matt Manzo

    Anybody know when we should be hearing about the league taking one of our picks or not?

  • shawn

    exactly !

  • steelster

    league won’t take a pick away from steelers. The 49ers had a assistant coach pull a similar move in the playoffs. Although they could punish both teams.

  • Matt Manzo

    I wouldn’t cry if they took a comp 7th rounder from us, but that’s it.

  • Asmitty56

    I like Adams. But Bryant is more of an athlete than football player. Don’t fall in love with his measurable. that comparison to Stephon Hill is exactly why he should be avoided until mid-late in the draft. Sweed was pretty big and fast too..

  • Asmitty56

    The only problem I have with Evans is he likely won’t be anything more than a 2nd tier WR in the NFL, which is still good. But do you really want to sped a 1.15 pick on a player who will not be one of the best at his position? He better be better than the players you listed. Vincent Jackson was picked at 2.61. Marshall was picked 4.119. Jeffrey 2.13. Thomas 22nd overall. Allen 3.76. Boldin 54th overall. Bryant 24th. Well you get the point. These mock drafts are absurdly over drafting these WRs, Evans will likely not be drafted before the Steelers, and even 15 may be too high. It’s not an indictment on him, I’d just rather the Steelers not get bit in the ass for over drafting receivers. Mike Evans has to be more Julio Jones and AJ Green to be taken that high, not Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, and Kendall Wright.

  • Asmitty56

    That being said.. If the elite prospects like Khalil Mack, Greg Robinson, Sammy Watkins, Jake Matthews, C.J. Mosley, Eric Ebron, and maybe Anthony Barr are gone then I’d be “okay” with Evans

  • James Kling

    Anyone know why Nix didn’t lift?

  • Asmitty56

    The only thing I like about Benjamin more is that they used him as a blocker a good bit. They actually used him a bit like a small TE and even put him in the backfield to block at times. But he is not more athletic and he will have more problems separating as well. I think both of these guys compare more to Plaxico Burress than Vincent Jackson. Plax wasn’t that athletic and used his size to bully DBs at the LOS, and out position them for the ball as well. Plax was a bit more polished as a route runner though. I’m not so sure I’d pick a young Plaxico this high though either.

  • Asmitty56

    You should be afraid. He’s more Limas Sweed than anything..

  • Matt Manzo

    That would suck!

  • Asmitty56

    Yeah I’m not too much of a fan of WRs with concentration problem. receivers can over come size and speed, can’t over come a receiver that drops the ball.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    looks like ebron ran himself right of of reach for the steelers. probably gonna go top 13 now.

  • Asmitty56

    Not so sure about that. TEs do not typically go that high, he had better be Gronkowski 2.0 to go any higher.

  • Asmitty56

    Might have to look out for the Bills and maybe Giants though.

  • westcoasteeler

    I can’t underestimate the importance…of stretches! ;) -Jimmy Kimmel

  • shawn

    I wouldn’t say that Plex wasn’t athletic … i can’t really agree with that one, i dont think separation matters in Benjamins game as much … as he is used down the middle of the field and crossing patterns in the RZ a lot which doesnt need as much separation as opposed to Evans who seems to work more of the sidelines where u need the most separation which he rarely gets … i do agree he was used more like a TE … i mean look at Heath slo w as molasses and he gets open down the middle all the time

  • shawn

    I have to pretty much agree with your assessment … spot on !

  • shawn

    20 reps … 38 inch Vertical and over 10ft in the BJ … the guy is a monster … would be really disappointed if we dont pick him up with the 5th comp pick ! Flies in KRs as well !

  • shawn

    did you check out his numbers … 20 reps , 38 inch vertical and over 10ft in the BJ … little beast … big fan .. . bigger upside than Tavon from last year … would be very surprised if he isn’t a hit in the NFL

  • shawn

    So far I think the WORKOUT WARRIOR COMBINE AWARD has to go to RB Jerick Mckinnon hands down … his numbers are sick !!

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    guys that are 6 foot 5 inches tall and run 4.5 40s usually go top 10.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    and at 250 pounds. not the freak clowney is but id say pretty close. only about 10 pounds lighter and like 0.07 slower

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    I would. that play didn’t affect the game, the ravens won. Beachum was a 7th round comp pick.

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    going to be a good slot/return man. don’t see much more but speed kills. Id like him in the 4th round

  • Lucus Rodriguez

    agree when I seen his numbers I wanted to watch tape right away. Stuck at work or I would

  • joed32

    And Antonio Brown ran a 4.56, way too slow to play in the NFL. I wish these guys ran in pads.

  • shawn

    i would feel more than comfortable passing on all the 1st round OT … lets let munchak work with them and see what he likes and let him pick up what he still needs next year … i would rather pick up a top FA LT or late round project OT which is no risk .. and considering we aren’t going to be able to pick up a FA LT …doesnt leave much choice … lets hope Munchak can figure it out !

  • Brendon Glad

    I hope they still make their cuts as if it were 126. Then maybe they can snag a higher-tier UFA than usual. Quite a few CB’s out there who actually intercept a ball more than once or twice per year.

  • Brendon Glad

    Here’s are 2 questions that I’ve had for years…asked on boards countless times, tweeted to experts, and never gotten a response…: 1)WHY DON’T they do the combine key tests: (40, cones, and field drills) in PADS, and helmets? (at least for 1 of the 2 sets). 2) Why do they have WR’s QB’s, LB’S and DB’s run out of a 3point stance instead of a 2 point stance (at least for 1 set)Some people carry their pads way better than others. SF probably wouldn’t have gotten the GOAT if they ran the combine the way it SHOULD be run, in my opinion. I get so SICK of hearing analysts say: “Some guys do better in shorts than they do with the pads on.” WHY are they EVER in shorts other than for bench, vertical, and broad jump? Think about if the NBA combine had players working out with a women’s ball. That would be kind of stupid, no? Please someone explain it to me.

  • Brendon Glad

    And I can speak from at least HS experience. (when I first took time to notice). I used to have a little competition for fun against our starting TB on sprints. And when it was in shorts, I would win about 50% (always just barely). But when it was pads and helmets he’d win 100%, and always by at least 1 yard. And we were trying hard. Wouldn’t that be worth KNOWING, if millions of dollars were at stake? Also, even though I was a QB, I’d mess around and could catch the ball very well in shorts. Noticeably less well in pads and helmet. Yes, we had cheaper pads than nfl teams, but balls over the head were significantly harder to catch with pads on. Seems so obvious it drives me nuts.

  • Brendon Glad

    I agree. If I were a scout for OL/DL, one of the first positive **** I’d put in front of a guy would be if at some point he was a standout freestyle wrestler (state champ would be nice). Functional strength and balance over bench press all-day everyday (unless I’m picking from 2 who never wrestled and look equal on film…then I guess I’d factor it in a little more). But bench-press requires some practice. Sometimes guys come from high schools with poor weightlifting programs, but are “country-strong”. See Leon Lett, John Randle, Shannon Sharpe…etc…and then they are only BEGINNING to tap into their natural strength as they discover the weightroom in college. I think Jared Allen did 8 reps at 225 at the combine.

  • Brendon Glad

    Good point on the “long-arms thing”. I mean, I loved Casey Hampton (and indeed he WAS dang strong)…but did you see “strongest man competition”? I mean the lack of distance he had to press a bar was “noteworthy”. Probably a lot less than say, Alan Faneca. But I’ll bet Faneca held his own with Hampton in practice.

  • shawn

    watch Archers tape … he’s a little beast too … he actually does a lot more than returns … can run from the RB position .. he’s great in space but a heck of a runner in traffic up the middle … rarely i have i ever seen a player with as much vision as he does .. absolutely no hesitation .. is through the 1st line before anybody even knows it !

  • shawn

    i’ve said the same thing for yearssss … they might have a reason but i tend to think they do it that way only for ONE reason and that is the old … thats how its always been done … u are right makes no sense … but then again Lineman running 40s make no sense either or does it make any sense that guys run on tracks during their pro days … hmmm

  • Matt Manzo

    That’s what’s crazy. If we did win that game would they take a pick from us? It makes me think Godell might try to prove something with us? I hope not. But if he was on some crusade and took somethin from us it probably would be a comp 7 if we get one.

  • Brendon Glad

    Yep. That probably is a liability/participation issue. Because we all know squat and power clean is serious business with extremely serious weight…especially for “max-out tests”. They’d probably have 1-3 guys every year screw up their back trying that. But I’m with ya. Way better test to dictate potential success than the bench.

  • Brendon Glad

    Yep. At least they test the 10 yard intervals. And when the OL/DL run out of that 3 point stance, it’s a stance that they probably use in a game. But on those WR’s/DB’s…I just shake my head as I see them take 5 seconds to get in their “sprinter-stance” as they coil their bodies up in their track gear, with track shoes, and no pads or helmet on a track, like you said. And then the Jerry Rice’s of the world never get caught from behind. And for those who say “yeah, but the competition of the NFL football game probably made Jerry turn it up a notch.” I’d say,:That goes completely against everything ever said about Rice. I bet that combine 40 time still bothers him to this day. He wants to win EVERYTHING! So if Jerry Rice ran a mediocre time at the combine but was uncatchable in pads, it’s definitely about him losing zero speed in pads and helmet…and everyone else losing quite a bit. Or he was hurt. And that’s never been documented.

  • Brendon Glad

    That is very interesting. And surprising. I know that that drill sucks to do…so if you participate in it, it says something…and if you do well in it, it shows you are in shape. Not sure what it says. I guess it depends on how one feels about Colbert with regards to finding talent. To me I put him as “above average”. It moves up to “excellent” when you factor in everything (fit, addressing need, character, projecting their potential growth, etc). For example, I’d put mike Brown slightly ahead of Colbert at “finding talent.” His young R-2yr guys usually look better than Colbert’s after a year or 2. But Colbert’s significantly ahead of him in “building a championship caliber team.” So if I was guessing the why’s of that, I’d say a guy who shows up to the combine and runs a great 60 yard shuttle probably “wants it more” than the guy who beats him in the other timed tests, but lags behind him or refuses to do the shuttle. I mean, without looking I’d say that Hines Ward, A Brown, and Heath miller (although he missed the combine)…probably ran good 60yd shuttles at some point. Just a guess. That’s quite a nugget you uncovered, cp72. Kudos

  • Brendon Glad

    I agree, for the most part. But I’d add a couple of things. And this should be of note since we know what the Steelers needs are. I’ve noticed this about the combine…if Deion Sanders makes special mention of “really liking” a DB…then LISTEN! And if he is “ehhhh” on a highly touted DB…LISTEN….and I’d say close to the same for marshall faulk on RB’s. Time after time I’ve seen it…especially with Sanders on DB’s. You have to read between the lines, though. Because they rarely “red-flag” a player’s combine workout, wheras mayock is more open with his negatives. In recent memory I recall him being noticeably”ehhh” on Dee milliner…noticeably gushing about Haden, Harrison Smith, Captain munnerlan (as a later guy), Rodgers-Cromartie, Earl Thomas, matthieu…he’s GREAT at it. Don’t like a lot of other analyses by him, but that one he nails. Way better than whoever collaborates to rate the DB’s on draft boards for the Steelers.

  • Brendon Glad

    Poor sentence structure…in all uses of the pronoun “he” after “In recent memory”…i’m referring to Deion Sanders.

  • Brendon Glad

    Combine for QB’s should be lower on value than any position. Too many other things that are important. It’s kind of the same in a lesser way for ILB’s…and also RB’s. I love the combine for finding guys I like, but QB/ILB/RB aren’t positions I gain much knowledge from in Indy.

  • WIINGY

    Brandon Cooks, best 60 yard shuttle in combine history. Another shorty.

  • shawn

    even the splits dont make sense for lineman … they should be running 20s with 5 and 10 splits … the split at 10 when running 20s or 40s would not be the same

  • joed32

    Good point!

  • joed32

    Totally agree!

  • cp72

    There’s going to be quality corners available with not only our first round pick but also our second round pick. The safeties are running good times too. Wow wow wow.

  • Aric Brown

    It looks like Gilbert is cementing himself as a step above Dennard… Bigger stronger and faster

  • cp72

    Okay here’s my top five that I want for our first round pick. I tried to pick guys I think are going to be there at 15. That eliminates guys like Robinson, Watkins, and Gilbert

    1. Mike Evans
    2. CJ Mosley
    3. D. Dennard
    4. Clinton-Dix
    5. Eric Ebron

    I really like Gilbert just don’t see how he gets by Detroit.

  • shawn

    those are great numbers

  • shawn

    I think your #5 is the best of the bunch !

  • Asmitty56

    Ebrons hands are not exactly fantastic either, their not bad but he’ll have his drops. Besides I’d imagine some teams would value WRs higher.

  • Asmitty56

    It matters when you have 6’3″ CBs like Sherman and Browner who can play with someone like Benjamin, no problem. Even 6’2″ DBs could manage as long as they have a good vertical. For a top half of the 1st WR, I want the whole package, no just a big guy.

  • shawn

    Those big CBs u mentioned are not going to be running down the middle of the field with him … c’mon … they are outside guys

  • shawn

    A big guy that is a baller that can catch RZ touchdowns will do just fine … dont be greedy … Benj fits that bill Evans not so much

  • Matt Manzo

    If those were the only five we could pick from I’d say, Evans is the only one I’d be excited about. I’d rather trade down to get another 2nd or 3rd. WR and CB are thick enough that we could still get both with an extra pick.

  • LayDownTheHammer

    Also, though everyone loves Gilbert for his speed and size and INT totals in a pass-happy conference with suboptimal QBs of recent, I think he’s overrated and too raw. Check out 2 scouting reports’ weaknesses on him and tell me you’re not concerned about his cover skills. Just because a guy has size and speed doesn’t mean he can cover (ask DVD about that one):

    Gilbert can be physical and tough in press coverage, but his technique and footwork are inconsistent. He is too grabby in tight coverage, and his contact downfield will easily attract penalties at the next level. Gilbert can get himself in trouble when biting on fakes and pumps as he’s highly aggressive. He has a bit of a cover-corner mentality when it comes to run support. He flashes the competitive drive to fight through blocks and make the play but is often willing to allow teammates to make the play if they nearby. Gilbert will also lower his shoulder and lunge occasionally, missing tackles he shouldn’t.

    He rarely played in press coverage. He didn’t show a good initial punch at the line of scrimmage and would fall behind the receiver almost instantly.
    His hips can be stiff, causing change of direction to be lacking against more sudden athletes. Defending quick outs, deep comebacks and dig routes are a concern.
    He has heavy feet, and it’s most evident on curl routes and double moves. Once Gilbert pivots, he has trouble changing direction without wasting multiple steps.
    Doesn’t care at all about making a play against the run, often letting the blocker run him out of bounds. His tackle effort is also lackluster, as he goes for arm tackles or the big, highlight-reel hit.
    He seems to lack recognition and anticipation skills while in zone coverage, as he is far too conservative. Gilbert allows quarterbacks to have easy underneath routes too often, and he needs to read and react to the quick routes instead of sitting on them.

  • Steve

    Mainly because Ziggy does not use his arms correctly. He may be the strongest Steeler but may not make the team, so that don’t mean much. Football players need to be both Muscular and Flexable. Yes Jarvis need to get Bigger in the chest and arms to bull rush and he also need to be flexable to have a spin or swim move, which also takes a lot of strength getting rid of the man in front of you, to get the man with the ball.

  • Steve

    We had an OG a few years ago that was a wrestler in college.

  • Steve

    Manziel will be the next Teabow in the NFL.

  • shawn

    Yes he will … it will not end pretty !

  • cp72

    If Mosley checks out medically he is a top 10 player.

  • William Weaver

    Heard Bucky brooks bring up mike Williams when talking about Evans. Saying he gets by beating up college db’s with his size but not his route running or technique. Won’t be able to get by on size alone at next level. Not my opinion but what Bucky said. IMO I hear 10 WR’s will go in first 2 rounds. What do you say, 50% busts? 5 of 10 don’t pan out? Receiver in the first is scary to me. I realize no position is fail proof. I just don’t know which ones of those top ten I see busting. You know for certain some will.

  • William Weaver

    Evans equals mike Williams from USC? Just asking. What I fear.

  • Asmitty56

    Look at Benjamin’s tape. Evans is a more fluid runner and obviously faster, he just seems like a more natural runner with the ball. Benjamin was also poor on his breaks in routes and his stop and go speed, that or he telegraphed it because on come back routes the DB would usually have no problem breaking on the ball and either knocking it away or intercepting it, Evans looked far better on come back routes. Both were used a good bit as blockers, Benjamin was a little hot and cold as far as wanting to drive his defender back, while I remember seeing Evans pancaking a few defenders. Although I do LOVE how FSU would put Benjamin in the slot or backfield and have him “seal” the edge as a blocker, it was reminiscent of Hines Ward blocking from the slot. Both Evans and Benjamin tend to push off or pull defenders to get separation, most receivers in the league do this, it’s more about perfecting doing this without getting caught.

  • Asmitty56

    Uh, unless you have a CB that follows the top receiver. Besides I’d expect Benjamin’s effectiveness from the slot will be mostly as a blocker as he does not have the route running ability to be a good slot WR, he’s very much an outside receiver as well.

  • taztroy43

    Honestly mike williams was a lazy slob with no work ethic…in terms of college n how they use their bodies he is similar to m.williams but accoding to draft guru mike mayock he compares more to v . jacks more which I tend to agree…..I also liked the comparison from daniel jaramiah to A. Jeffrey the wr from the bears who uses his size n is very effective….I dont think the mike williams comparison is fair because like I mentioned above he was lazy with no work ethic…mostly every wr coming out needs to learn better route running and technique….I like Evans size, hands, potential, production, n toughness(everyone seems to forget that he played through an injury throughout most of last year and was still very productive)…IMO he can be like a K. Allen from SD….allen is very effective that has underrated athleticisim who is sure handed and is solid all around….but time will tell….if we dont draft him then and only then I hope he is a bust!!! Lol….

  • taztroy43

    I say we take a flier on him in the 4th after all we took a qb last year in that round…I think archer can be our kick n punt returner n our change of pace back or even our screen go to guy….but hey what do I know lol

  • Jeff

    Justin Gilbert ran a 4.35 and put up 20 reps of 225… I really hope the steelers get a chance to grab this guy at 15

  • taztroy43

    Where is my comment? Did the admin remove it? N yes I would take him that high…look at his stats with the sorry team named the bucks….hes a true #1 wr who puts up big numbers while double covered….his 2012 stats are almost the same as a. Browns this year! Minus the 110 catches….even in 2013 he put up over 1000yds n 7tds with over 70 catches with no qb…look his stats up….if the draft was redone knowing what v jacks has done he would be a 1st round pick…n for that reason evans who compares to v . jacks will go in the 1st round!

  • taztroy43

    It really doesn’t matter where your drafted… a. brown was a 6th round pick n he showed hes a number 1! Hines ward 3rd round pick and he was a number 1 wr n future hof….v. jacks drafted in round 2 n hes shown hes a legit #1 WR With the bucks n chargers etc etc……the steelers are looking for a big reciever to complement A. Brown our #1 wr….whether it be a TE or WR…honestly I would want ebron because hes more versatile n can be used as an extra blocker or rdz target and I know watkins is not a possibility for us at 15….if i had to choose a wr it would be evans….maybe even lee but we already have 2 guys that lee compares too(brown, wheaton, n sanders too)…I would love to get laundry from lsu in round 3 or d. Adams in round 2 if we go defense in round one….these 2 guys have a little bit of ward/cotchery in them…

  • Wayne Darby

    There are reports that it may get as high as $135mil

  • shawn

    Ya … I think he will be around in the 5th … good chance actually getting him in the 6th as well

  • shawn

    during the combine they mentioned a good point .. the good teams dont look at a player and think what he can’t do … but what he can and then put him in those positions to be successful … Benjamin definitely is not without his warts … but what i see him excelling in is those seem routes and RZ slants and crossing patterns where he catches it up high … those are the perfect scenarios for him to take advantage of in Pitt & be successful …

    On the other hand … i dont really see how Evans’ play translates to the Steelers … Absolutely HATE fade patterns in the end zone (one of the lowest % plays in football) and I’m not a big fan of the jump balls or back shoulder throws on the sidelines …

    I do have to say I have no worries about Evans measurables (sorry but he’s still slow and not faster than Benj on tape) what i do worry about Evans is his play not being there in the pros ( i have no worries about Benj with this ) but what i worry about Benj is his heart and head into the game and his work ethic and character …

  • shawn

    Benj would never be our top receiver (thats AB) … he would be a role player (RZ+Mismatch) and a damn important one double digit TDs (60-70 catches … 800-900) yds /season) he would be perfect used in the slot as that is where he would run the seems and crossing patterns … doesnt need to be a great route runner … who’s going to cover him ??

  • Chris Ranieri

    I like #2 and #4. IMO WR should be sought on day 2.

  • dkoy85

    I didn’t get to watch the DBs… who was Deion high on and not so high on? Did he make any comments on Fuller?

  • Matt Manzo

    Thanx for that! We needed it! I can’t wait for him to bust knuckles!!!

  • RyanW

    If we go defense in round 1 which I prefer then we should look at Martavis Bryant who was Sammy Watkins teammate at Clemson in round 2 hes 6’4 211

  • Matt Manzo

    Who’s Maurice Alexander? S or CB? Small school. Put up good numbers!

  • Asmitty56

    I’ve never had the mind set that a #2 WRs should be taken in the 1st round, and if they do take one he better be consistently reaching and passing the 1000 yard marker. As for who can cover him? Any receiver with above average speed/length/jump ball ability.

  • Asmitty56

    Why doesn’t Evans? He’s just as tall, and more athletic. His vertical is much better which means he will win more going for the jump ball. He’s faster in and out of his routes which makes him more of a scheme fit. If you want a receiver to run the seam and crossing routes but is not fast out of his breaks why not just take a TE? Heck Ebron may be a better athlete than Benjamin.

  • Asmitty56

    I’d argue that Evans can be just as effective a target in the redzone as Benjamin, 10 pounds won’t make that much of a difference, and wasn’t Evans a former basketball player as well? So that means he has a fairly good idea how to use his body control and box out defenders. I’m not sure what you saw on tape to make you think Benjamin is fast than Evans, what I saw was a player that couldn’t get out of his breaks fast enough where the DB was ale to make a play on the ball, and when he would break a long run it was because he tugged back on the defender’s jersey and ran past him, I think I noticed once where he cleanly beat his man, caught the ball, bounced off of a few defenders and ran into the middle of the endzone. Evans fits the Steeler’s scheme better with his better route running (better than Benjiman anyways). Evans just seems like a better all around player, while Benjamin plays like a light TE.

  • Matt Manzo

    2 guys that keep popping up for me as: I would hate this pick, are Roby and Andre Hall. I keeping turning off the tape after a few minutes!

  • shawn

    Well, while i tend to agree that a #2 shouldn’t go in the 1st … there are role players that really put a team over the top and you would be hard pressed to put a value on them …. Alvin Harper for Dallas and John Taylor for SF come to mind … !!!

    Sorry but no one is going to effectively cover him in those situations …u just dreaming if u think so …

    I wouldn’t necessarily take him at 1.15 but i would feel very comfortable if they traded back and picked him up around 25 !

  • shawn

    I like Ebron and would love that pick … I’m just saying what i see of Evans on tape … no go .. slow no , separation and dont like his game at the next level … i didnt see any inside to his game … i guess we just see it differently

  • shawn

    its not about size … its about the play .. ill stick to my assessment … no amount of discussion is going to change my mind on Evans … dont like the pick at all

  • Asmitty56

    Evans play was better as well… Benjamin had questions about his hands.

  • shawn

    Evans is weak inside and RZ … Benj hands are fine

  • Brendon Glad

    Well, I don’t like NCAAF…so I like to watch the combine drills, but to your point…and to my point (I like Gaines from Rice)…if we are taking your word on the game-tape (which, I have no reason not to)…then looking at the drills (which conveniently placed Gaines and Gilbert back-to-back…I’m all about “reaching” for Gaines in the 4th (since some have him as a UFA) then I am taking Gilbert in the first. And even more so against the Thorpe award winner from mSU in the first. But obviously we have need, so if you wait, you better get it right…as in (we had need at CB and went Allen/C.Brown back-to-back in Sherman’s 5th round year. Get it right and it’s beautiful. Fail and the need remains the next year. On the flip-side…you trade S.Holmes for what seems like nothing…and get A. Brown in the 6th…then that immediate need gets rectified quickly. I’m sure you know all that, but I just felt like commenting, because I thought your Gilbert questions were very insightful and probably correct.

  • Brendon Glad

    I forgot to mention the most important part of my comment as I rambled….Gaines looked every bit as good as Gilbert in the field drills. And even though I take way less stock in the following…he also timed very well in the non-football speed/quickness tests.

  • Brendon Glad

    If I were gauging Deion’s comments…the guy he kept mentioning was the South Carolina CB Victor Hampton. That was most noticeable.

  • Brendon Glad

    If you mean Carlton Haselrig, then that was the “Eureka-moment” in my armchair view of that “functional strength” as translating to NFL success. Because the dude was 1st team all-pro I believe, by his 3rd season. THAT burned in my mind forevermore. Not the be-all-end-all…but an OL who was a dominant wrestler at the last level he participated in DEFINITELY breaks all ties if I’m making an OL/DL draft board…and probably does a little more than break ties. As in, while the offensive linemen were doing bench press…I’d probably rather be studying their amateur-freestyle-wrestling history…:-)

  • Steve

    That was him – Carlton Haselrig – Thanks.

  • Steve

    Aaron Donald is very good at using his arms and sheding blocks. He is quick off the ball and a lot of times beats his man with his quickness. Let us see if this converts into the pros and Donald makes All Pro.

  • Brendon Glad

    As of the Woods and Hood signings…I have a new guy I’m gaining intrigue in…Stephon Tuitt (ND DE)…since now it looks like re-signing Keisel for another year is likely…it appears that the Steelers need to correctly evaluate mcClendon…(as in, were they happy with him at NT…or do they think he projects better at DE)…and then they need to address whichever spot mcClendon will not man fairly early….at that point Tuitt enters the picture. If you youtube him, you see a guy who does tend to look more like a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 DE…(but I’m not looking at hours of film…only minutes)…the thing that DOES stand out about him (if u are + on him as a Steeler 3-4 DE) is the resemblance to Aaron Smith in body-type, bursts of power, and 1-3 yard quickness. Looks like he could easily put on 30 pounds to be a 3-4 DE…without missing a beat.

  • Brendon Glad

    Question to all you Pittsburghers…(I live in Kansas)…what’s your views of Aaron Donald? I just watched highlight tape of him….looked at what…6’1″ 285? And actually the tape kind of blew me away. (but it was a highlight tape…of course). But off first-blush my initial thought was….WELLLLL…the 6’1″ kind of relegates him to NT or 4-3 DT…BUT….he wore that 280 VERY WELL. As in, he looks like he’d still be pretty dang quick at 320-40. But I haven’t read his name mentioned much…even though his draft status kind of falls in line with him entering conversations. So since I watch very little NCAAF, what’s the inside Pitt Panther/Steeler Nation view of Donald? Looked explosive as heck to me. But maybe that means he’s better suited for a team to try making him into Warren Sapp, rather than Casey Hampton. Powerful legs though…not saying he will surpass either guy, but it does seem like he’d have a decent chance trying either position.

  • Matt Manzo

    I’m not a master yet but the kids energy, attitude and skills combo looks deadly. He dominated in the all star practices and games. I think there was only one OLinemen that controlled him?
    He seems to fit a 4-3 dline perfectly. I haven’t heard anyone talk about him adding weight, so I’m not sure if that’s a possibility? I imagine everyone on here would shoot that idea down, like having him drop weight and move to OLB.
    It seems like in the right system he’s gonna raise hell!

  • Brendon Glad

    Thanks for the insight, but could you add one more thing…WHAT about him as a 3-4 NT…I’m kind of surprised I have seen a ton of Nix banter on these boards…but not any Donald. And usually the comments on Nix are that the commenters will be mad if we take Nix….to me, as I watched the highlight tape, my initial reaction was “lord…he’s so quick and powerful at 6’1″ 280…that if he was a less-quick but more powerful 6’1″ 325…he might look like a dang good Steelers NT….no?

  • Brendon Glad

    Bad paragraph….rewrite…”to me, as I watched the DONALD highlight tape”…etc…sorry

  • Matt Manzo

    Again, I’m not the best person to ask, I’m sure in few more hours you’ll get the others to chime in.
    But I keep hearing that he would get lost in the middle of a 3-4. Not strong enough to anchor.
    It’s not really the Steers style to test that, or experiment. I’ve been surprised at the Mclendon as NT experiment, and some people expect that to end this year.
    After we screwed up with Hood I imagine there way less likely to start experimenting again.
    I’m old school, and prefer the big uglys in the middle, but speed seems to be trending upwards!

  • Brendon Glad

    Thanks…yep…I stop from giving an overt opinion on it…because I am SO lacking in the desire to watch NCAAF, that I tend to rely on combine, scouting reports, and Steeler need for giving opinions on the NCAAF high-end guys. So I appreciate the opinions. I’m trying to get my head around what the Steelers are thinking. They usually read the first round perfectly. So I know they have something figured out…but what that is, is fun to ponder.

  • Matt Manzo

    I think if we ran a 4-3 the FO would take him in a heart beat!

  • Brendon Glad

    Yeah, that’s the rub…it’s a projection. my fat gut says that Nix, Donald and Tuitt are now all in heavy-play…as I think the Steelers were not expecting Woods and Hood to have nearly the interest that they got. I think a series of re-adjustments will be made now. I think Al Woods was our “wild-card” that got away. Pretty sure that stunned them. It sure did me.

  • Brendon Glad

    my hardcore Steeler buddy was begging for Shamarko all the way from the 2nd til it happened as I watched the 2013 draft with him. He’s usually right, so I hope it continues.