Art Rooney II Calls Goodell’s Response To POTUS’ ‘Divisive’ Remark On NFL Protests ‘Appropriate’

As is only natural for a man of his stature, President Donald Trump made headlines yesterday after he made certain remarks. This normally would not be in our jurisdiction, but on this occasion, he turned his attention to the realm of sports, and commented directly on a hot topic in the NFL: anthem protests.

Beginning last season, a number of NFL players have participated in silent protests by taking a knee, raising a fist, kneeling in silent prayer, or remaining seated during the pre-game rendition of the national anthem. While Colin Kaepernick was sort of the touchpaper to get things started, a number of players from roughly a dozen or so teams have actively engaged since then.

Yesterday, Trump made remarks about these players and their actions during a rally in Alabama, according to ABC News, posing the question, “wouldn’t you love to see one of the NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say ‘get that son of a b—- off the field right now?'”

In the 36 or so hours since then, many within and around the league have made public comment in response, including NFL Commission Roger Goodell, who issued the following statement:

The NFL and our players are at our best when we help create a sense of unity in our country and our culture. There is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and players to the terrible natural disasters we’ve experienced over the last month. Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great game and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities.

While no player on the Pittsburgh Steelers has of yet—to my knowledge—participated in any fashion, the team’s president, Art Rooney II, was among many owners who privately issued their own statements on the matter, though his was certainly the least substantive to date, simply describing the commissioner’s words as “appropriate”, concluding, “I have nothing to add at this time”.

Given the Steelers’ owners’ role in putting Goodell in place as the commissioner, it is little surprise that Rooney essentially chose to echo his comments while adding nothing more to it himself, deviating from much stronger messages issued by several other owners.

The Steelers in particular have an interesting relationship with this issue, driven largely by the presence of Alejandro Villanueva on the roster, who is a decorated war veteran, serving overseas in combat activity as an Army Ranger.

Villanueva shared his own thoughts on Kaepernick’s decision to protest last season, and other teammates, as well as Rooney and head coach Mike Tomlin, have largely deferred in that regard.

Many expect that there will be a strong response around the league to Trump’s comments in the form of a spreading of the pre-game protests, a theory made more plausible after several owners have vouched for their players’ rights to do so.

One team that I would not expect to be involved would be the Steelers, for reasons already stated above, though I could end up being wrong.

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  • Jaybird

    Matt if you were going to bring up what the Prez said the other night, then I’m surprised you didn’t mention his comments on “penalties” on hits that are ruining the game. I know you feel strongly about head injuries and protecting the players. My daughter is actually suffering through her first concussion from a collision playing soccer. She’s been sleeping 12 hrs a day in a dark room with major headaches. I can’t believe how bad she’s suffering. Anyway, I thought both comments were way out of bounds.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’m an Army Vet. I have no problem with peaceful protests like the silent anthem protest. I may not agree with it but it’s these rights that make this nation great. Honestly, it offends me, but these are the rights I’ve actually fought for.
    However, it’s also important to acknowledge the hypocrisy, not of the protest, but what appears to be the majority of its supporters and the majority of its detractors.
    In regards to the supporters. They are the same people (for the most part) who want to do away with civil war era statues. They are the same people who seek to block conservative speakers on college campuses. They are the same people that want safe spaces. They are the same people who want to do away with language and actions that offend people. Well, this protest offends some people. I guess that’s okay, though.
    In regards to the detractors. They are just as hypocritical. They scream against the protests that block free speech but it’s the exact thing they are doing when they call for these players to be removed or punished. Honestly, narrow-minded people are always hypocrites and there seems to be a lot of narrow-minded people leading both sides of this issue.

  • will

    Goodell’s statement made no sense to me as a response to the POTUS’ statement.

  • Michael Putman

    While I agree that I find it immature, inappropriate and based on flawed information to kneel during the anthem, these players are well within their legal rights. Trump needs to find a balance between his personal thoughts and his public statements. Obviously Goodell and the NFLPA are going to speak in support of the players, who haven’t done anything but exercise a constitutional right. Obviously TALENTED players who chose to kneel will continue to find a job… just like TALENTED players who commit crimes continue to find a job.

    Kapernick was an average player at best with high financial demands. Those are the bigger issues here… not his decision to kneel. For a better player or a lower contract, this is clearly not an issue for many owners.

    Everyone has their right to demonstrate legally against the government. These players are well within their rights. I can tell you that I am personally offended and haven’t watched a game yet this year. I’ll likely watch Steelers games that are on TV, because they are my favorite team and they haven’t been involved with this kneeling nonsense… but the NFL isn’t getting any money, focused advertising, concession sales, trademark purchases or any other financial support from me right now.

    They can demonstrate how they chose, and I can demonstrate how I chose. Art Rooney isn’t going to wade into this issue and create any controversy, nor should he. This is a delicate issue in the US right now and he doesn’t stand to win by picking sides.

  • SmellyHobo

    I miss Dan Rooney

  • Jaybird

    Well said. And thanks for your service.

  • Steel B

    Who cares what Fuhrer Goodell has to say.

  • NinjaMountie

    Thank you.

  • Big White

    So predictable. Trump issues Tweet, League/Player/Media overreact, Compound Problem, Repeat Process.

  • hdogg48

    So Trump says those players that kneel during the National Anthem
    Are SOBs and should be fired
    …funny the Left didn’t have a problem when the great Mike
    Ditka got s canned from ESPN for supporting Trump or Curt Schilling for making some stupid joke about tranny toilets.

    Meanwhile Mike Kornheser still has a job after comparing Tea
    Party supporters to ISIS, and then Colin Kaepernick’s
    Black Muslim girlfriend refers to the Ravens owner as the
    DiCaprio character in Django Unchained and HOFer
    Ray Lewis as the Uncle Tom character played by Morgan Freeman.

    I’m not saying that Trump isn’t an a hole and out of line, but the double
    standard is off the charts nauseating

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Oh boy, this is gonna be a dicey one……. here goes. I am with Big Al on this one. For a number of reasons.
    First, I will say that I agree that Colin Kaepernick and all other players DO have a right to protest what they perceive as an injustice. I mean freedom of speech is one of the rights that was behind the founding of the country!!

    However, the chosen venue and the method of protest is something that I find objectionable. Our flag/anthem represents ALL of us, including the protesters. And for people like Big Al and other players AND attendees (who BTW pay the players salaries) it is clearly a slap in the face – these people put their LIVES on the line to protect our liberties, including free speech.

    What solution do I offer? I would suggest that the league organize a day, or series of days, where Kaepernick and the other protesters can demonstrate against the injustices they see. They do this with other causes like Play 60, and it would allow the league even more positive face time.

    THIS is the proper way to demonstrate, not by insulting the flag/country and the ex-servicemen in attendance (be they player or fan).

    The protesters absolutely have the right to be heard, just not on the dime of people who are paying to watch in order to ESCAPE the ‘real world’ with all its beauty and ugliness.

  • The Chin

    Trump stated all of this apart from his typical moronic tweets. This was a tangent he went on while on the campaign trail for an R candidate from Alabama if I read that correctly. Bet that candidate will say “thanks, but no thanks” his advisors want to ask the POTUS to drop by for a word of support.

  • mape_ape

    lol….”bu…bu…but he started it!”

  • Matthew Marczi

    Honestly I wasn’t aware of them before now. But I don’t see that anybody really commented on that, so it would probably be better for me not to touch on it, as these things can get pretty dicey with strong opinions in both directions. The only reason we (the site collectively) chose to address this aspect is because Rooney weighed in…a little bit, anyway, haha.

  • SportsBall Is My Life

    When a stadium is attacked (god forbid) it will the the police these a$$holes are protesting running toward the chaos to save lives.

    The police arent perfect but the black ‘community’, such as it is, is FAR from perfect. They need to ask themselves some painful questions before engaging in the politics of division.

    People watch NFL to escape ClownWorld. These anthem social justice warrior theatrics are forcing people to marinate in things they came to escape from.

    THIS is exactly why Trump won. People are tired of it and have had enough

  • Jacob

    I miss the days when people didn’t do this kind of stuff, whether it be Kaepernick or Trump.

  • Steel742

    I love football, especially my Steelers. But as a retired veteran I love my country and the flag even more and honestly I don’t watch football or any sport for the athletes political opinion. I will look elsewhere for my entertainment and the NFL must understand this fact. If I continue to see athletes disrespecting our country then it is time to start watching something else.
    The players have the right to protest, won’t argue that, I have the right to disagree and not support the product. It is really that simple. Keep bringing politics into the NFL and I am out.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    So its the black community’s fault? Ok.

  • Jaybird

    Yeah he said both comments in the same speech- the anthem protests and penalties on hard hit ( hits to the head) .

  • lyke skywalker

    Politics should not have a place in sports.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Although I do not approve of how Trump talked about it the truth is Kaepernick started the divisiveness. So Goodell saying that by Kaep doing this brings togetherness is false IMO.

  • Gautam Ramani

    Trump is the President – he is held to a much higher standard. Regardless of how you feel on the issue, He cannot call players who peacefully take a knee “sons of bitches.” End of story. He compounds the statement by calling for the peaceful silent protesters to be fired. Seems very unAmerican to me.

  • Zhan 使美国再次伟大

    That so?

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Very well said.

  • John Noh

    Excellent point. Goodell is a pandering fool, a complete disgrace. Ironically, the only unanimity in this country seems to be in our hatred of this overpaid a$$-clown.

  • SportsBall Is My Life

    The sad fact is this: If you only knew how much your avg overpaid sportsball star HATES everything you love (your nation, your heritage, your flag) you’d never watch another game.

    I come to Steelers Depot to read about the zone blitz schemes and hear the podcast. Now a few malcontents have turned our beloved game into an episode of Hannity and Colmes.

    They will do to the NFL what they did to ESPN, which is to say it will be damaged beyond repair.

    Damn them to hell for that. May god forgive them because I wont.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    This is why I hate politics and most people who talk about it. So much hypocrisy and lack of self awareness it is unreal. I don’t care who you want to bad mouth or support, just make sure you do it equally across the board and most people don’t accomplish that.

  • Michael Putman

    Not defending Trump, but have you actually seen what he said? Lots of liberal news stations are saying that Trump called for them to be fired… he didn’t. He asked if the crowd would like to see owner’s fire the players. Those are two very different things.

    Inappropriate for him to bring up, stupid for him to bring up… but he didn’t call for them to be fired.

  • Ken Krampert

    Kind of a misleading headline the way it is worded and the words are stacked.cked

  • hdogg48

    Shaquille ONeal said it best…..
    He said everyone knew where Muhammed Ali
    and Bill Russell stood on racial injustice, and their
    comments cost them lucrative contracts and
    endorsements when they were still in their prime.
    He said they made it clear where they stood
    from the get go..and that was praiseworthy an
    worthy of respect.

    Kaepernick didn’t get political until after he met
    his uber radical girlfriend, and did not protest
    until AFTER he signed his lucrative contract
    in the $15M/yr. range and AFTER he was
    picking splinters from his azz after he was benched.

    I will be 70 years old in February and I have seen racism
    in my lifetime. Now in in 2017 there has been a two term
    African American President. The highest paid
    athletes and entertainers are Black. Black People
    can buy a house anywhere they want, go to
    school anywhere they want and work anywhere
    they want.

    The election of Donald Trump last year was not the equivalent
    of the Nazis marching into Paris in 1941, and calling out
    people that disrespect our flag and National Anthem
    is not Nazism or White Supremacy.

  • Matthew Marczi

    He did subsequently tweet that Goodell should “make them stand”. I’m not sure how you might go about doing that without threatening job security.

  • pittsburghjoe

    The President said the right thing. The spoiled athletes need taken down a notch. The NFL better watch itself closely, their ratings are diving and if they choose to enter the political and social arena in more depth it will lead to additional ratings demise.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Should sports have a place in politics?

  • Matthew Marczi

    Thursday’s ratings were up.

  • pittsburghjoe

    its one night and the stadium was empty.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Do you mean the ‘divisive’ part?

  • Phil Brenneman II

    All of this stuff is just obnoxious at this point. Don’t even know what to add really. So tired of hearing about it and seeing it talked about. Would rather Steelersdepot just left it alone at this point. We get it enough everywhere else and Rooney didn’t say enough to even truly make it newsworthy for the Steelers.

  • Gautam Ramani

    Funny – calling them all overpaid, and hating your heritage, nation, and flag? Is that so? Any idea how hard NFL players have to work to make a 53 man roster? And then you can me cut at anytime?

    Do you even understand what Kapernick and Bennett are protesting? Do you understand their heritage, and the history of African Americans in this country?

    I

  • Matthew Marczi

    The ratings also improved last year when the better games have been on. Last season featured a lot of uninteresting primetime matchups.

  • SportsBall Is My Life

    This is a Lose-Lose for the NFL. They can double down on these SJW theatrics and alienate the fan base further or they can tell these players to STFU and alienate them.

    Marshawn Lynch eating a banana during the anthem really brings us together amirite??

    NFL football was in many ways the last implicit stand of Civil Nationalism. A place where people of all walks of life came together to enjoy, relax and cheer.

    They are killing good ole ‘Americana’ w/ these stunts and they could care less.

  • LHW

    They do have the right to do so – but I believe you cannot earn respect by showing disrespect. You want respect, stand for the flag. By not doing so, you are disrespecting every single person who sacrificed for our country. There are honorary ways to bring attention to a cause. I respect one’s right not to stand, but I will not respect them as a person.

    Thank you for you service NinjaMountie.

  • hdogg48

    So what is the standard?

    And who holds the high ground and gets to define
    what is and what isn’t the “isms” du jour perpetrated
    by the reprehensible deplorable “ists”?

  • Gautam Ramani

    I just don’t get it. Who do you think these players are? They are fathers, husbands and sons. They are not SOB’s. The President was not right.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Matt loves writing about social articles. It gets old.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Yeah, role models just like ray lewis and aaron hernandez.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Exactly right NinjaMountie and I am forever calling people out for this because it is so laughably stupid and nobody seems to understand just how hypocritical they are.

  • Matthew Marczi

    And Arthur Moats and Alejandro Villanueva.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I don’t agree with that. I don’t mind mixing in different content now again but this topic specifically is just being beaten to death.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I’m asked to handle these topics. I believe that I handle it well.

  • pittsburghjoe

    And Ray Rice and Zeke Elliott and OJ……….

  • Matthew Marczi

    We could keep going back and forth and demonstrating that there are many people in the league full of virtue or vice. Painting with a broad brush in either direction is ignorant.

  • SteelersDepot

    I asked MM to write about it because Rooney released a statement. He gets the honor because he’s quite good at it as well. No, he’s great at it.

  • SportsBall Is My Life

    Cry more!

    If America is such an awful, unwelcoming place for people of color then why is the foot traffic all one way?

    Why do Millions of non-whites risk life and limb to come and live in such a “rayciss” society??

    Moreover, why dont Japanese, Koreans and Chinese have these issues w/ the police, if the ‘man is soo rayciss??’

    America is not perfect but its alot better then the alternative.

    And if America (and its police) are half as bad as these players say they would get a passport and book passage to the Congo or Haiti, wont find any white privilege down there.

    Of course we both know hell will freeze over before that happens

  • hdogg48

    Like Mr. Edwards the President of the NFL
    Players Union labeling Donald J Trump
    45 as a “White Supremicist”?

  • SteelersDepot

    Don’t hijack this and turn it into a race thing, please. Thanks.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Ignorant like taking a knee during the national anthem?

  • Matthew Marczi

    The president of the NFLPA is Eric Winston.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    In fairness Dave this is very much viewed as a race issue so if you provide the content you should expect it to pop up. Not saying it is right or wrong, but what would you expect?

  • julian

    LoL…. I love it when people put kneeling for the anthem in the same class as a crime.
    I really don’t understand why people cant understand why some kneel. For people who are black this country is a double edged sword. Yes it affords blacks opportunity like everyone else but it also committed genocide against their people and to this day presents them with challenges that others don’t have to deal with because of racist idiots. The way some police interact with blacks is a problem because they don’t interact with enough black people and as a result whether they realize it or not in tense situations subconsciously or consciously in the case of racist fall back on the stereotype that most black men are thugs and violent

  • Matthew Marczi

    Ignorant like the definition of the word. Like this one: “lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular”.

  • hdogg48

    My bad….but being called a White Supremicist
    is a stretch, seeing as many Black People
    that served in the Millitary, and are in Law Enforcement
    agree with Trump.

  • John Noh

    I hate Roger Goodell! Sorry, I just can’t say this enough.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Are you talking about the ESPN reporter? That has nothing to do with the NFL. I’ve seen no comments from the NFLPA in that light.

  • hdogg48

    I saw where the President of the NFLPA referred
    to Trump as a White Supremicist

  • Dave D

    Exceptionally well said.

  • SportsBall Is My Life

    These athletes are implicitly saying w/ their protests that America itself is a racist society and that the police SPECIFICALLY target them because of race.

    Race surrounds this entire topic.

    They turned this into a race issue not me. Im simply pointing out the fallacies in that whole line of thinking.

    But I will respect your wishes out of respect for the Depot

  • OIF3gunner

    Combat veteran x2 here.. They can protest all they want, kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful and does nothing for any one. They can protest all they want while not… AT WORK…. They are at work, representing the NFL, the team as well as themselves. It’s only fair they reap what they sow.
    Stand up for the anthem and stand up for your perceived slights outside of your job.

  • Matthew Marczi

    He didn’t though. You must have read wrong. You can read Winston’s statement on his Twitter profile and said no such thing.

  • Dave D

    This… x 100. The double standard in this country is appalling.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    “Painting with a broad brush in either direction is ignorant”

    That is precisely why you should leave these topics alone Matthew. Most people nowadays are incapable of separating individuals from groups and not painting with a broad brush. So all of these topics just turn into a cesspool. I understand Rooney commented and what not but like I said above, he didn’t say enough to make it worth what will become of this thread lol.

  • julian

    Also the fact that trump is basically telling the nfl ” hey keep your slaves in line” is also problematic. That’s essentially what he saying. And everyone who agrees with him is saying that too. I mean to call these guys standing against injustice spoiled just reeks of ” stay in your place you subhuman slaves how dare you actually think your a human being and have the right to speak out against this country that committed genocide against your people enslaved them . your lucky we even brought you over on the boat ”

    lol like come some of you really need to hear yourselves

  • OIF3gunner

    No, but they didn’t help

  • Nunya

    These guys have every right to take a knee IF their bosses allow protests at work. If that’s the case, fine. But I have every right to not watch, which is why I got rid of Sunday Ticket and quit watching every game but my Steelers. I am so grateful they haven’t done this.

  • dany

    And Jordan Dangerfield

    are we just naming names?

  • RW

    Really, here’s what you’re saying: “Even though black people are targeted by police and aren’t given the same opportunity in this country, it could be worse for them”. Cool, let’s hold ourselves to standards just above other countries…

  • pittfan

    Grabbing my popcorn for this one. Cant wait till game til!

  • OIF3gunner

    ALL Americans should…

  • Steel-on-Target

    Wholeheartedly agree

  • pittfan

    +1.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Anthem-standing is not part of their contract.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    You would be right if you weren’t completely wrong. There have been white players involved as well. You sound as or more ridiculous than the very people you are talking about. Divisive and ridiculous rhetoric like you are presenting here just continues to add to the problem and does nothing to help it.

  • RW

    Except when the athletes are right, and they have an opportunity to say something about it using their platform, what’s there to be so angry about?

  • julian

    well whats more important ? being at work or bring attention to injustice? talking about it being disrespectful to the military is just a scapegoat to avoid talking about the issue its trying to bring light too. Some of these peoples parents served lol

  • pittfan

    is public relations?

  • OIF3gunner

    I never said it was. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I wouldn’t mind naming cool names. Fuamatu Ma’afala was a doozy.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Yeah, this is not ESPN.

  • Steeler-Drew

    That’s basically what Rooney said when he originally commented on the issue. As an owner of the Steelers has said there certain expectations from his employees as a member of the team. He went on to say if an employee has a problem with those expectations then they will sit down and have a talk about it. And as many have said he also said protesting the Anthem was not the time or place.

  • julian

    The vast Majority are black. And just like in slaves times when a white person helped a slave they were seen as the enemy by racist too. Same concept here.

  • OIF3gunner

    Have them kneel for all the Chicago deaths then… This is just virtue signaling at its core.

  • hdogg48

    The reality is that the radicals on the Left are much more
    intolerant, threatening and dangerous to those somewhere
    in the Middle than those radicals on the Right.

    You don’t believe me?

    Ask those Independents, Moderates, Millenials from
    the Burbs, and Soccer Moms from places like
    Fla., Ohio, NC, Pa, Mich, and Wisconsin…THIS question.
    Where would you feel safer and more confident of receiving
    help should you be lost or broken down?

    Near a trailer park full of Rednecks? or In the Hood surrounded
    by Black Lives Matter Thugs?

    I think we all got the answer to that question last November!

  • SportsBall Is My Life

    No thats called a ‘strawman’ argument but im not gonna sort you out because to do so I would have to bring up uncomfortable facts that you arent prepared to deal with, let alone address

  • julian

    And its not to be decisive I’m against racist not white people

  • Dave D

    And many of the data points support the idea that folks are already tuning out. The polling from last season state that one of the reasons (one of, not THE reason) that people tuned out in record numbers last year was this very issue. We don’t watch our Steelers (or any other team) to be reminded of the stupidity that is our country today. According to the numbers I read the other day, viewership is dramatically down after two weeks this year too. While all these players have the right to protest should they choose to, the viewing public has the right to turn away. It’s all fun and games until the purse gets whacked. Including the very deep purse of our $40+ million commissioner. As soon as the league can’t demand the money from the networks and cable that they have been commanding, I bet we see some kind of reasoned response then. I’m not a betting man, but I’d put a large wager on that…

  • John Noh

    It’s not. But I think it’s better for this country when we see displays such as the Browns did on Opening Day vs. the divisiveness of identity politics. They can do whatever but we don’t have to seal clap for them like so many in the media.

  • Matthew Marczi

    You implied it by framing it as a work-related issue. There’s nothing saying their employment is tied to standing for the anthem. Lynch had already been sitting for years and nobody really noticed or cared.

  • Dave D

    Amen to this. Goodell is a joke…

  • RW

    Kaepernick did it after several members of the black community were shot unlawfully by police and were found not guilty of their obvious crimes. You spreading this garbage on the internet is not helpful. Also, saying “black people can buy a house anywhere they want to” and can “go to school wherever they want to” demonstrates your ignorance of the social injustices that exist in this country, as most are priced out of neighborhoods with good schools… just because you’re 70 doesn’t mean you’re knowledgeable about these things. I suggest you stick to what you know.

  • OIF3gunner

    Contracts don’t cover everything… Ask Lawrence Timmons

  • pittsburghjoe

    Well said, I agree with you.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    It is 100% divisive because you made it completely about race when it didn’t have anything to do with that. So you continue to make it a 2 sided thing when it is more complex than that. As someone who finds agreement with both sides I can say with 100% certainty that it isn’t true.

  • OIF3gunner

    Amen

  • RW

    Facts I’m not prepared to deal with? And it wasn’t an argument – I reiterated what you said. I’m fairly certain I can deal with your BS.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Let’s just cut to the chase; if a player ends up getting fired over an anthem protest, that team is going to have a lawsuit on their hands for wrongful termination.

  • julian

    lol people are still using this terrible argument? like what does have to do with some racist cops shooting unarmed blacks? its like people have no ability to compartmentalize lmao!! That literally is just trying to deflect conversation because you don’t want to have it!

  • pittsburghjoe

    Big Nope. Nor should the tax payers be footing some of the bill for their stadiums.

  • OIF3gunner

    Absolutely, I agree with that. However… How about a 4 week suspension without pay, just like Lawrence… That is well within the teams rights.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Couldn’t agree with you more on that one, Joe.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Well I guess we’ll see what happens if a Cowboys player kneels tomorrow.

  • OIF3gunner

    I’ve never met a slave, let alone one that makes 12 million a year…..

  • Nunya

    You act like you can’t do both. You telling me that the Stars with this much money can’t make a stance against injustice other than kneeling during the anthem? News flash: that’s wrong. Where I worked, you could protest or be politically active all you wanted…off the clock. And if these owners tell them no, it’s no. Don’t act like it’s one or the other.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    That makes for an interesting convo though Matthew. Teams can cut players at any time for any reason so what are the chances they win that? I mean….a team doesn’t even have to say a player is cut because of a protest.

    And truthfully teams should be allowed to cut players for that. They own the business and they can choose how they want their product represented. The only thing that should be protected is firing someone because of discrimination in my opinion.

  • julian

    lol not about race? the whole point is they are kneeling because this country has a problem treating certain races well when it comes to police. Then Trump comes along a blatant racist tells these people to essentially stay in line or be fired for standing up for the rights of their race. DONT GIVE ME THAT DISRESCPECT THE MILLITARY CRAP BECUASE ITS NONSENSE JUST TO DEFLECT FROM THE REAL CONVESATION.

  • OIF3gunner

    This dude believes cops are racist best to just block and move on.

  • Matthew Marczi

    It’s not for any reason, actually. I posted the list of reasons for termination from the CBA in another thread sometime last week but honestly don’t feel like digging it up right now. A team could try to cut a player who protested under an alternative guise and they might be successful, sure, but I don’t think it would work with a relatively notable player.

  • Black Gold

    I guess that would entirely depend on whether you are black or white, eh?

  • julian

    Slave in concept. Not in pay. The whole point is some racist think that other beneath them and should behave accordingly and bend to what they think is right. Screw that BS. Racism in 2017 is coded and veiled but smart people can bread between the lines well.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    What Kaepernick kneeled for is about race sure, but what Trump said wasn’t. You projected that on to him because you view him as racist and insisted on taking your feelings and making them his. Complete nonsense on your part and a big problem with these conversations. I don’t recall anywhere in there where Trump called out black people specifically, said the n word, or anything of that nature.

    The military argument is a fair point though, so why can’t people bring it up? I think anyone level headed understands that Kaepernicks intentions aren’t to disrespect the military when he kneels during the anthem but there is a such thing as unintended consequences and people can and will view it as disrespectful even if he doesn’t intend it that way.

  • Marcel Chris Chauvet

    In fairness, a lot of those people voted as much AGAINST Hillary and they did FOR Trump. Lol

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    What is it to help? Black people are slain in the streets every day and now we have to worry about police killing us also. That doesn’t help. “They didn’t help.” Man miss me with this. I love all people, but I swear people just say whatever they want now a days and don’t care how it affects others.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Well obviously “any” reason is a bit broad but for the most part it is true because they can basically make anything performance or work related. Lets take Lynch for example. Raiders could just all of the sudden say “we want to move towards a finesse running game so we are moving on from Lynch and bringing in so and so” and how do you counter that point? Nobody knows what is really going on in the coaches and owners mind but them.

    Not saying Lynch wouldn’t win but truthfully it would be ridiculous if he did because how do you prove intentions.

  • julian

    NOT what I said !!! Marjority Are Great And do a fantastic job. I know Good Cops , I know bad cops and I know racist piece of trash cops. I DONT generalized. But I’m not gonna ignore that a group of some cops are cuasing a problem. Not all Cops are good or bad. But some are and some are not.

  • OIF3gunner

    I see…. You must be super smart then…..

  • OIF3gunner

    I can agree with that.

  • Dave D

    Maybe the greatest truth in this entire collection of comments Marcel! Fact bomb.

  • SfSteeler

    jim crow, red lining, stop and frisk, the drug war, tough on crime…yeah, i guess it is there fault…give me a frkn break!

  • MattHat121

    The biggest problem in our political culture today is our inability to understand/sympathize with the other side. Some sides don’t deserve our understanding, but most do.

    If you’re white, try imagining what it’s like to be black in America. If you’ve never served, try imagining what it’s like to be overseas, away from your family, and in constant danger. If you’ve never lost anyone in war, try imagining what that flag might mean to you if you did. If you’re not a cop or don’t know a cop, try imagining what it’s like to be a cop. If you’re offended by anthem protests, try imagining a country that doesn’t allow them.

    Seriously — Imagine each one of those things, right now. It will make this issue, and those who are so sure of themselves about it, or egging it on, seem small and narrow minded.

    If we all do our part to understand each other, it will go a long way toward making these “controversies” not controversies but simply expressions of a strong, diverse culture of thought and experiences.

    Kumbaya, right?

  • hdogg48

    No…if Black people were getting jacked up
    and having their businesses trashed by mobs
    of Rednecks it would be on all the alphabet Networks
    CNN, MSNBC, 24/7.

    Further the the front pages of the NYT, Washington
    Post, LA Times, and Boston Globe.
    That just ain’t happening and hasn’t happened
    since the 50s and 60s.

    That’s why Clinton lost NC…they threw rocks at
    commuters on I95, and looted the NASCAR museum.
    Florida….Trayvon Martin. Ohio….the assaults on GOP
    delegates in Cleveland. Pa., Fleabaggers peeing
    and crapping on the Streets of Philly at convention time.

    Liberalism has become the place where myopia blurs
    into blindness. Clean up your radicals and maybe
    win some elections again.

  • julian

    lol so black lives matter people are thugs? LOL I know great people who are “rednecks” I would feel safe in both because I’m not gonna be a moron and judge people based off stereotypes?

  • Av232

    If ESPN could fire Trump, I rest assured they would. Tv personalities are constantly under review to remain in their positions. Unfortunately that only happens every 4 years for da prez.

  • Heywood Jablome

    Because they didn’t have to deal with the consequences

  • Rocksolid20

    That ship has sailed .

  • hdogg48

    And I’m not going to be a moron and get
    Effed up by people who hate me because
    of something that happened over 100 years ago
    That I had nothing to do with.

    It is YOUR side that has the out of control
    Radicals…own it or keep losing elections.

  • John Noh

    You make good points. Why this was so visceral to begin with was that Krapernick was the worst face for this “movement” as it is. The clown who wore a Fidel Castro shirt to a press conference to talk about oppression. The guy who wore cops are pigs socks during practice. Whatever point he was trying to raise were lost in that kind of inanity. And I think we are really sick of the media painting this guy as some civil rights leader, some noble hero.

  • Hec

    It’s hypocritical to say we have the right to express how we feel against the treatment of a particular group of people but the moment we exercise that right to voice our frustration people have a problem with it. Who are you to tell us how we should express our rights for better treatment of our people to an unjust system that has been oppressing us from the beginning of time? It easy for a certain group of highly privileged people to sleep comfortable in their nice guarded neighborhood at night when they are not the ones being targeted for the color of their skin. America is still being lead by the racist fascist that has been oppressing our people from moment them land thieves step foot on our soil. You did not fight in war for our freedom you fought in war to maintain power over a land where its people are policed like prisoners that’s the true American Hypocrisy! It’s real easy to say don’t behave in that manner when you and your people are not the ones being oppressed!

  • julian

    woooooow lol so you assume black people hate you? for slavery over 100 years ago? What lmao!! I’m black and that’s stupid. I’m not hating someone for something that took place when they were not born. Your just confused bro , its the SYSTEM of America that I have resentment against NOT white people. I hate RACIST people in general. there is a difference

  • Rocksolid20

    Wish I was a million dollar a month slave .

  • hdogg48

    There has been an African American President
    elected to 2 terms. The highest paid athletes
    and Entertainers are Black.

    You can buy a house anywhere you want, you can
    go to school anywhere you want, you can
    work anywhere you want….what is WRONG with that
    system?

    You think cops only hassle Black People?
    Think again..if White people are up to no
    good and can’t produce proper ID they get popped too.

    Go to any Inner City Court in the Country and watch
    how hapless all too many Black People are
    in they can’t produce things like license, registration,
    and insurances cards. Things I have at the ready as
    second nature…like taking a leak.

  • Paddy

    Either stand for the anthem or stay in the locker room.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    It isn’t necessarily hypocritical. Don’t get me wrong, when it comes to politics and such both sides are extremely hypocritical but in this case that isn’t exactly true. You can be for someone expressing something but be against how they do it. To put it in context of this situation I think a lot of people agree that black people are viewed and treated differently by some police and that it is okay to call attention to that. But if the person bring attention to it says “police are pigs” or “f the police” you can disagree with that approach. I mean, is it really okay to call all police pigs but not for police to view all black people a certain way? Aren’t both sides painting with too broad a brush at that point?

    You asked the question “who are you to tell us how we should express our rights?”. Well, the other side has just as much right to ask “who are you to tell us how we should respond to your expression?”

    This is an issue I am seeing more and more of nowadays. People are only about freedom of speech and expression if they agree with the speech and manner of expression. Kaepernick supporters are behind him expressing himself but get outraged the president has a problem with it. Why isn’t he allowed to have a problem with it and speak about it? Freedom of speech right?

  • Superdriller316

    If people wouldn’t commit crimes, there wouldn’t be a need for the police.

    What does the National Anthem have to do with the so called “police brutality?” Last I heard it was local and state police that were involved.

    Most if not all of these big cities where this stuff is happening are completely run by KLANOCRATS. Might want to rethink who you vote for. Better yet, just vote. Don’t be like KRAPATURD who complained about society but didn’t vote.

  • John Noh

    Anyhoo…Go Steelers! Here’s to the Bears to be sitting on their hands all game.

  • MattHat121

    Yeah, but it’s not really about Kaepernick anymore, is it? It’s about so.much.more, and we need to recognize that when we talk about it, think about it, debate it back and forth. Let’s not retreat to our corners with our own choir. Sadly, there’s not much shared leadership we can look toward right now, so it’s on us to rise above the nonsense.

  • Kevin Reich

    Just because you say it was unlawful dosent make it so.

  • JohnB

    meh…who cares? You didn’t need any of this to open your eyes to whats happening. I don’t even watch the SSB part anymore cause 98% of singers butcher it in some way or another. Theres plenty of ignorant people out there. Theres plenty of protesters out there. Cant get mad at all of them.

  • HiVul

    The NFL and NFLPA are on the same side of an issue. Who says Trump can’t unite?

    This and the petty stuff with Steph Curry plays well for him with his base. No surprise. I’m curious to see how many championship teams visit the White House over the next 3 years.

    As for me, I agree with the player’s underlying reasons for protesting, but I don’t like the method. I think there are better ways to raise awareness and take action. Doesn’t change my viewing habits. Lot of posters on Steelers Depot don’t watch football on principal apparently… that explains a lot!

  • MattHat121

    Ha!

  • Jaybird

    Thank you for your service OIF3. But the last time I was at a game , the vast majority of the fans were on the phone, tweeting, snap chatting, buying beers, getting up or coming back from the bathroom, talking to a buddy…..etc. All that stuff is pretty disrespectful also. But I never see anyone tell another fan to be quiet or put your phone away.
    I personally stand , sing the lyrics under my breath, and hold my hand over my heart like when you pledge allegiance. But I can’t get to upset seeing the players protest ,when half the stadium’s fans are being just as disrespectful.
    And again thank for your service.

  • Matthew Marczi

    You are right that cops do not only harass black people, or minorities. But that is part of the issue as a whole. There are too many instances of police abusing their powers in general. Just from personal experience, I have been stopped by police officers for no good reason simply walking around in my own neighborhood, literally within a block and a half from the house I’ve lived in most of my life. My brother was beaten by Pittsburgh police officers. As you might gather from my last name, we are as white as they come.

  • OIF3gunner

    Miss me with this… Black people are slain every day, by each other. Words don’t affect anyone.

  • John Noh

    Sure it is. There is a media led crusade to get this guy a job. They should hirehim as an analyst if they’re so keen to get him gainfully employed. They won’t because they know he’ll be toxic for their shows

  • Michael Conrad

    Nice

  • O’Neal

    The thing is, you don’t have to like it. But it is not hurting anyone.

  • Matthew Marczi

    If, for example, the Steelers were to have released Steven Johnson because he kneeled for the anthem on Sunday, I’m sure they could get away with it. If JuJu Smith-Schuster did it and was released, that’s going to raise some major, major eyebrows.

  • Ahh crap. Was hoping the Depot wouldn’t get roped into the political infestation of sports like ESPN. This bums me out.

  • pittsburghjoe

    The whole protest thing is comical. How many of these guys try to actually solve the problem. They just are making the divide bigger every day. Just stoking the fire….

  • NinjaMountie

    I don’t think you have the right to tell anyone who fought a war about why they fought it. You don’t know my, or anyone else’s, reasons for serving. My post below stated that there are too many narrow-minded people leading this fight on both sides. Thanks for proving it.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Lol, this might be the only comment made here that isn’t up for debate. That ship has definitely sailed. In fact it was probably never docked here.

  • nikki stephens

    To demonstrate the absurdity of the “kapernick” crowd and the media: for 2 years a majority of the national sports writers, celebrities, TV hosts, hollywood, espn commentators have spent dissecting the question does kapernick have the right to express himself. Very rarely does anyone explore the question and opinion that kapernick (and those supporting him) are HIGHLY divisive to MANY Americans.

    Trump, 12 hours ago states the obvious, that kapernick and his crowd are highly divisive. HE (trump) is labeled and characterized by the majority of the national sports writers, celebrities, TV hosts, hollywood, espn commentators as “divisive”.

    Amazing how upside down the world is and how twisted the world of sports is.

    No one wants to recognize that the NFL game time is “paid time” in other words, the players are “on the clock” when that anthem is being played. Trump is a business man, if someone isn’t acting proper or disrespectful at their place of employment – you fire them. Simple. Standards and practices that been accepted for 100’s of years. But now the kapernick crowd thinks they can do what they want on someone else’s dime. If you don’t like the business or place you are in – quit! Go to a semi pro league, CFL, Arena League, another athletic sport.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Yeah for sure but when eyebrows raise I guess my point is still….so what? You know? Like even if it strange there is so much that goes on we don’t know how could you ever prove the reasoning wasn’t pure? I think you have to start seeing patterns before you can make any grand conclusions. Like say 2 or 3 prominent players on one team were cut after being part of a protest.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Thank you. All Football All The Time in the AM, you can rest assured.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Empathy is the only thing more lacking in our world today than intelligence.

  • pittsburghjoe

    I thought the same thing. This is not the first article either. I would rather they just stick to sports and let the politics go. I use to think of the depot as an escape from the BS, but that has changed.

  • DAWAARE

    Well how da hell is pouncey rated 79 in madden 18 . AV is rated 78

  • Michael Conrad

    Trump is Trump and its very popular to go after him because people believe what they want about him . Right or wrong.

    Now on taking a knee during the National Atheism.

    Taking a knee during the National Anthem has no effect on black injustice and won’t make it
    better. Taking a knee to a country who had millions of brave men die for
    our freedom is wrong . Taking a knee to a country that made you a slave
    but then set you free and gave you welfare and a right to an education
    and no more job discrimination is wrong.

    Given everything and looking for more but living like a thug. Shootings every
    day in the hood and five kids to a mother and no dad around is worth
    taking a knee for. Stand up to the thugs and demand better of other
    blacks. Take a knee for that.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Wrongful termination lawsuits are successful often enough that I don’t really have much doubt it would work in this instance. There would be a pretty obvious correlation in JuJu’s instance for a lawyer to make a persuasive case to win a settlement, I think, if the only variable that changed prior to his termination was kneeling.

  • Matthew Marczi

    The politics came to sports in this instance. That’s why it was covered at this time.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I guess thats true. The team would have to set it up in a way that they could prove an infraction or something to take the heat off of them.

  • pittsburghjoe

    The vast majority are superb. Don’t use a a paint brush to make them seem like they are all bad. To all of the police, fire and military… thank you for keeping us safe.

  • hdogg48

    And I’ve been harassed by Black Police officers
    for no reason when I was a White Minority living
    in a predominantly Black Town.

    I once had a Black cop run me off the road
    playing chicken with me as I rode a skate board.

    Once when I was making rounds on the midnight
    shift a Black Cop who I knew snuck up on me
    And put a gun to my head and yelled “freeze”

    I really liked that guy, until I saw how warped
    his sense of humor was. I think cops
    being jerks is just an unfortunate thing.
    I just try to steer clear of confrontations.

  • Rooney said one word of relevance. One. It’s just… we have to hear this crap all day, every day from other sources. It would be nice to have one that is just about football.

  • Matthew Marczi

    You don’t think Trump is divisive? Politicians are literally the definition of divisive figures. That’s why political parties exist. I mean, you’re free to feel whatever you wan’t about him as a person or as a politician, but it would be pretty silly to sincerely deny that he is very much a divisive figure. That is why there are protesters in front of the White House every day.

    Players are not “on the clock” during the national anthem. They get weekly checks on an annual salary. Their employment has nothing to do with what they’re doing while a song is being played.

  • HiVul

    This isn’t about following the rules at work. The NFL’s statement was pretty clear that the players could make up their own minds and act accordingly.

  • Matthew Marczi

    He said that Goodell’s lengthy response was appropriate, thereby endorsing the general message. He implied more than what he said be deferring to Goodell’s comments. I’ll have 6 football articles up in the morning, and Alex and Dave will have stuff as well so you can just close this and wait until then. Or you can check out my special teams report that I posted earlier today if you haven’t. My film session on Brian Allen’s special teams play also went over well, so I’d recommend looking at that if you haven’t yet as well.

  • nikki stephens

    Accept this, there is no perfect place on earth. No perfect country, government, community, etc. NO place is perfect or utopia. If your faith based, heaven / afterlife is perfect Christ told us.
    But to your point, this is the greatest place and the government is superior to so many other places on earth (just ask a taxi driver, world traveler, or any of the millions who attempt to get in). America is special and unique because of opportunity, and the power of the individual. Of course, we acknowledge not every place in America is what it should be but system is designed to be. The problem is there are people (who are imperfect) that may be incapable, immoral, or incompetent to administer the system of govt we have. Those people need to be extracted non-violently by the voters.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Basically, yeah. But if any team is going to try that, I’m thinking it would be the Cowboys…which is kind of ironic considering how they stood by Greg Hardy.

  • Matthew Marczi

    “There are too many instances of police abusing their powers in general” is what I said. Do you disagree? I can show you multiple video of police body cameras capturing the officers wearing them planting evidence.

  • nikki stephens

    Julian doesn’t want to recognize that the NFL game time is “paid time” in other
    words, the players are “on the clock” when that anthem is being played.
    Trump is a business man, if someone isn’t acting proper or
    disrespectful at their place of employment – you fire them. Simple.
    Standards and practices that been accepted for 100’s of years. But now
    the kapernick crowd thinks they can do what they want on someone else’s
    dime. If you don’t like the business or place you are in – quit! Go to
    a semi pro league, CFL, Arena League, another athletic sport.

    You are part of the problem because you projected with poor logic and reasoning what you think trump said.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Not really taking a side here but no matter how you justify making the post I think it is pretty clear it is a turnoff to a…..noticeable segment of visitors. I obviously have no say in the depot but maybe it is best to steer clear of this specific topic in the future. It is very divisive and tends to devolve into conversations almost solely along racial lines and that rarely ends well.

    As I said above, I personally don’t mind some topics that aren’t fully football related but this one in particular is a firestorm that is being beaten to death all over the place. The depot is one of the few quality places that kind of stands alone and with something like this you lose a unique standing with readers.

  • Gautam Ramani

    Wow! Very enlightening to ready how so many NFL fans really think and feel about the players that give their heart and soul for our entertainment. Just keep your mouth shut, score touchdowns, put your body at risk, be called “sons of bitches” and take it in stride. Just business as usual.

    I am truly shocked and saddened to read the comments on this board. I guess it takes a topic like this for people’s true personalities to come out.

  • I read everything you write, my man. I read this because your name is one it. Love your stuff. You’re truly a great writer. Not just a sports writer, but a writer. You’re one of the main reasons I refresh the Depot like I’m a crackhead expecting my next fix to appear on the screen.

    And that’s why seeing this political stuff bums me out.

  • Matthew Marczi

    So you’ve also had unnecessary issues with cops, is what you’re saying. I would imagine you would prefer if you didn’t have to be in those unnecessary situations with cops behaving in ways that were not appropriate. That is the point I was trying to get across. And for the record, and this goes for everybody who is reading this, I know plenty of good cops too. You can google the name of a man named Kim Latkovich, who just recently passed away. He was an officer for a long time and was a good man.

  • Black Gold

    Sounds to me like you view the world through a filter of myopic rage. Those silly liberals, trying to create a just and egalitarian society, diddling with the foolish goal of achieving universal social justice. Don’t they know that it’s those looters and crapping flea-baggers that’s the problem? [and we know what color THEY are!]

    Please, in my lifetime I’ve come to see plainly that there is so much structural racism and inequality in this country, and it’s a pure poison for America. How dare those players get fed up with decades of Jim Crow and unequal treatment for their people! I’m white and I see what’s been going on, for a long, long time.

    It’s too bad Dan Rooney died, he was a man who had Balls, and was committed to social and racial justice and equality (e.g. the Rooney Rule). He would have made a stronger statement than the tepid one issued by Art II.

    And by the way, no matter where your opinion lies regarding player’s kneeling during the anthem, they have that absolute right to do so. It’s enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution, you know, the one regarding the freedom of speech, which is the primary cornerstone of our Democracy…!

  • Matthew Marczi

    That’s fair, and I respect that. I understand a lot of people come here to get away from politics and ‘life’ in general, so I can sympathize, but as a site, we made the decision that this case warranted being addressed, so I was chosen to handle it delicately and impartially. Of course the inevitable occurred anyway. But it is what it is. And thank you for what you’ve said about my writing, it is appreciated.

  • hdogg48

    Lots of people have had issues with cops.

    My take on that: You can only be a victim once….
    after that….you’re a volunteer.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I respect your opinion, and for the most part I do believe that we shy away from commenting on certain things that we definitely could choose to (that frankly we know would bring traffic in due to the controversy). In this case it was just decided that it warranted (impartial) coverage. It was something I was already considering when Dave asked me what I thought about it. I realize Rooney literally said little in terms of words, but I think he ‘said’ more than is on the paper. Believe me, I would be glad to never write a politician’s name in an article unless he signs with the Steelers. But honestly if Bell is going to take a knee or something tomorrow, it’s probably going to get an article here. Fair warning.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Hey, he might be divisive… still an improvement over the past 8 years of one train wreck after another.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I don’t disagree with your overall sentiment but a couple of things I don’t like.

    1. Lets not act like players are victims here. Yes they give their heart and soul for our entertainment (well some at least) but they are also paid accordingly. And lets be real here, technically fans have all of the power because we pay the money. Viewership, ticket and merchandise sales etc….so we kind of do have the right to say shut up and play. I am not saying you, I, or the players have to agree with people who have that stance but when you break it down what is wrong with it? The customer is the one you are supposed to please as a business.

    2. The “sons of bitches” thing is being completely overblown because Trump said it. Lets not act like we as people and the players themselves aren’t calling each other worse on a daily basis. Heck, players probably hear worse from their coaches at least 5 times a week.

  • Matthew Marczi

    So would you care to explain to me how I was a volunteer to be stopped by cops in a cold January afternoon less than two blocks from my house, wearing my Steelers coat? What did I do wrong that merited being questioned what I was doing in my own neighborhood? I’d love to know.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Oh boy, I smell another protest brewing. =-)

  • Black Gold

    I agree. I have a great fondness and respect for the people who run this blog, and now, less so for the majority of commenters. This is why our country is so screwed up and why we have such a presidential disaster on our hands.

  • Craig M

    I personally quit watching NFL games, that the Steelers are not involved in, on the basis that I believe that there is a place and time for expression of views but the playing field/ sports arena is not one of them. If Kaepernick is so committed in supporting his social/ political views then all he has to do is climb up an a soap box outside the stadium and voice them- just like WE ALL have that right. If he is so upset about the situation in our poor ghettos then volunteer to help- simply go talk to Ben Carson and say “what can I do to help?”. The fatality rate by police in the slums where blacks are involved is somewhere around 10%, the murder rate by blacks on blacks in these same areas are something like 70+%. Blacks killed by police rose from 123 in 2012 to something like 258 by 2015 while something like 6000 blacks were killed by other blacks in 2015 and Chicago is setting a new record for 2017. When black policemen are recruited and trained they tend to move away from the slums too work elsewhere. My complaint is why all other cultures that have come to the USA have helped one another within their economic social group- Italians, Poles, Germans, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Slavs, etc. the black community has simply moved away from the hopelessness of others of the same color. I tend to base this on my view that, w/ by slavery, all African tribes were grouped together not by their individual culture and so tended to not bind in the USA, they developed outside their sphere of unity and seem to have little solidarity within their plight. There are ways to address all issues and this one should be addressed by the same strategy as Martin Luther King and (one of my all time favorite Americans) George Washington Carver- reading his position on people helping others is an education in common sense, IMO but by disrespecting the rights of others to enjoy their pastime is simply rude- for 70% of black fathers to abandon their children is simply despicable. I have 20 grandchildren, 20 great- grandchildren, they are a combination of white, black, brown and American Indian, straight and a few gays in the family and I see only one color- the color of love. I was brought up w/ the old westerns, called black and white TV, and what people could learn from those showings is that they were not filmed in black and white but 20+ different shades of brown- dark to light. Someone wants to clean out/ straighten out a garage or basement you first have to get in there and start w/ plain old sweat. I’ve followed the Steelers since 1969 and if they decide to allow political statements to be shown on game days I will simply turn them off. And as I’ve said before this type of discussion doesn’t belong on this site IMO.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I think one thing everyone can agree on is that politics is pretty much always divisive. That’s the one certainty.

  • NinjaMountie

    Always.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I don’t disagree with your justification and it makes sense, I am just not sure it is the wisest decision. It is kind of one of those things where the depot itself is only a small part of the “problem” but it could get to that point where people are so sick of it from other places that the depot ends up getting lumped in and is the straw that broke the camels back if you will.

    Ultimately my opinion is that you guys are doing a lot of work and it is a non pay site so just like some fans say “shut up and play” I think readers should just shut up and read lol. Or don’t read. I never click into a thread I don’t at least have some form of interest in.

  • hdogg48

    And Trump has the First Amendment Right to call them
    SOBs that should be fired.

    And what you see is myopic rage I see as having
    the balls to stand up to Political Correctness
    which former Acadamy Award winning actor,
    1960s Civil Right activist, and past NRA
    President, the late Charleton Heston once
    called: “Nothing more than polite tyranny.”

  • Matthew Marczi

    Colin Kaepernick has actually donated $1 million dollars to a variety of charities and participates in community services and stuff. Most of these players who have participated in protests have ‘put their money where their mouth is’, so to speak, working in community projects and even having dialogues with local police chiefs and things of that nature. You can think what you want about the actual act and method of protesting, but I think you should be aware that they are also actually attempting physically to address the issues they’re protesting.

  • Craig M

    And would have bettered being ignored so the discussion would have been taken to a different venue IMO.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Wow, you are really way left.

  • Cullen James Riley

    I’m so glad the Steelers haven’t had anyone who disrespects the American flag, or national anthem. If you want to fight racial inequality then do something of substance. You can’t tell me that disrespecting the Armed Forces is the only way celebrities have to convey their message.

    I am a Corporal of Marines. I will defend their right to kneel because I love this country and its freedom so damn much. I just hate to see such ignorance on both sides being highlighted.

    And for the record, I would love to see owners start striking down on this – don’t make the sport into a political debate. Nobody wants to hear about politics anymore. Address it outside of the sport in a respectful, and meaningful way – or is that asking too much? Maybe the subject of racial inequality isn’t a big enough deal to these players to do anything that requires more effort than taking a knee? Just a thought.

  • nikki stephens

    Sorry Matt, you are wrong. Ask Charlie Batch, they have a set game day schedule (other days too). If you don’t appear at the team’s determined time, you best have a valid excuse or reason. To deny that is a falsehood. Under your logic, a player is free up until the point of the coin toss to go sit with family, visit a concession stand, go to church, whatever without penalty or reprimand. As long as the player is present when play begins…..yeah right! The Anthem is part of the game time of their Sunday’s employment.

    My point is this President divisiveness is propped up, accelerated, exaggerated by a media that just doesn’t “tilt” left – it is swaying as great as the Titanic was “sinking” its last 20 minutes. When 91% on the stories are negative, when 95% of “journalists” political contributions go to one side, when “professional” journalists collude and shape stories with one political party (wikileaks) YES, my point HE is labeled divisive in less than a day. But the truly “divisive” main characters (kapernick crowd) are rarely labeled “divisive” – POINT MADE and PROVEN

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    It really is sad. It’s crazy how a silent protest is making ppl say whatever. It’s not about the flag, it’s not about the military. It’s about the Injustice in society.

  • nikki stephens

    And to prove me wrong, show me the player or contract that allows a player to avoid that coaching staff game day itinerary that allows them the freedom to show up after the anthem and play without reprimand or fine. It’s never existed.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Can you please re-read what I wrote? I said that there are too many instances of police abusing their powers. By no means did I say that police officers as a whole are bad. You keep saying that I’m painting with a broad brush when I’m attempting to be more specific and citing incidences of misconduct, rather than saying there are too many bad police officers.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I had this conversation with some friends of mine on Facebook almost literally to the minute Kaepernick became a story.

    I said to them “this is not a good move by Kaepernick because even if his stances is justified and his motives are pure, the optics of it look terrible. Here is a time when everyone in sports comes together to stand for something and honor our soldiers and that is when he chooses to protest. So the conversation will never even be about injustices but instead is going to turn into a rights thing and disrespecting the military”. And obviously I was right about it lol.

    My personal stance has remainded more or less the same. He has the right to do it, good for him for having the balls to do it but man, what a dumb decision he made to do it during the anthem. Heck, even now the majority of the conversation is about whether or not Kaepernick should have a job and nobody seems focused on the issue he protested for to begin with.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Every president is said to be more divisive than is actually true by the other side. When a left-leaning president is in office, the right accuses him of being divisive. When a right-leaning president is in office, the left accuses him of being divisive. It’s part of the divisive nature of party politics.

    You can’t just say that your point is proven and have it be proven, by the way. I just wanted to clarify that.

  • David Rittenhouse

    I have no problem with the players making their feelings known on their own time. YET not on the field of play where they are being employed to represent the best of America… I’d fire my staff if they stood up in my restaraunt, garage, showroom, waiting room, and protested… I am tired of these (star employees/actors) reaching beyond their position to announce their personal beliefs. Who cares what you think as I do not follow anyone I think for myself. Watch the ratings and the real America will tell you what the country thinks…

    AS for the comissioner he should of nipped this in the bud when one of the entertainers started this …… and that is all they are entertainers court jesters, clowns who get paid lots of money to perform…

  • Matthew Marczi

    Nobody has done that. Unless you have an example of a player not being out on the field as an act of protest during the anthem, you’re not saying anything that’s relevant here.

  • Hypo Cycloid

    Liberals and conservatives enjoy the NFL. They watch for entertainment. Not politics. Attendence and viewership is down I understand ever since the kneeling started. When people show disrespect to the flag, they offend and disrespect many citizens as well. Being that kneeling is harming the league, goodell should enact standards for the anthem. .

  • 978-0316769488

    They’re free to kneel. I’m free to turn off the television.

  • Craig M

    And that is what should have been covered by our media not bringing the issue into the playing arena- that would have fostered allegiance and support not the division we see now. Where was Marczi covering the helping hands from players to the less fortunate? Where were the accolades on players reaching out for help, too help the children in the ghettos? I see the attention getting going on, just like I see the want of attention of players on the field or for the attention garnered in an article but I do not see the respect to others, the caring, the sharing of hope for the plight of the needy, just like I don’t see the players acting like they’ve been there before, amongst the poor or in the end zone- like Heath. And these people want my respect- you have to be kidding me.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Your “just a thought” is devoid of knowledge. If you would actually bother to do any actual fact-checking, you would easily find that the majority of these players who have engaged in protest have done a great deal off the field in hoping to make headway against the issues that they are protesting. This has been a common refrain, suggesting that they’re lazy activists by just taking a knee and looking for attention, but it’s a refrain from those who are not interested in actually checking to see if it’s true. Kaepernick alone has donated $1 million in the past year to relevant charities. Almost every single player in the NFL pretty much has their own charity, at least by the time of their second contract. NFL players do a tremendous amount of community work, generally speaking. And many of them continue to do it after their playing careers are over. Check out Mel Blount’s charity, or Joey Porter’s.

  • Craig M

    And best left to another arena.

  • nikki stephens

    The lightning fast response (of owners, players, national sports writers, celebrities, TV hosts, hollywood, espn commentators) to the labeling of “divisiveness” The unbelievable double standard and media narrative is POINT MADE / PROVEN….just to clarify

    I am not debating what each sided thinks of one another, I would think if one breathes, one knows that. But if you thought there are some that don’t know that …..then…..ok

  • Matthew Marczi

    I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say. Can you clarify what you wrote? It’s confusing.

  • Craig M

    The only one I’ve noticed is articles by Marczi.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Has any other president ever directed NFL owners to fire their players?

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    So how do you feel about the ppl that put their hand on the shoulder of someone who kneels?

  • Matthew Marczi

    You’re right, I’m a horrible person, Craig.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Truthfully haven’t even thought about it. This story is so overdone I just tune it out and enjoy the game at this point. So I guess my response is….I don’t care what they do lol.

  • David Rittenhouse

    Dan would never of allowed a player to take a knee unless he wanted a boot!! I am in agreement with you Ex Steeler fan from the old days

  • Gautam Ramani

    Hi David – I agree that you would/could fire your employees if they “stood up” in your business and caused a ruckus. However, these athletes are simply taking a knee, sitting down, or raising a hand. They are not yelling, fighting, disrupting the flow of the game, or anything of the sort. And yes, if the ratings start to fall, the NFL may mandate all players stand during the Anthem. They have decided, for now, that taking this step may lower ratings further.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    See, I knew we could all come together and agree on something lol

  • Matthew Marczi

    Sure he would have. He respected his players’ rights as human beings and equals to express themselves as they felt necessary provided that it wasn’t harmful to anybody.

  • David Rittenhouse

    Most folks on here are employee’s… so lets see what happens Mon morning when we stand at our desk and protest…. (clean out your desk)

  • Phil Brenneman II

    And just incase I am not making myself clear (hard sometimes online) I don’t have a problem with Kaepernick kneeling, I just knew it wasn’t going to turn out well for him.

  • David Rittenhouse

    excellent .. allow them to protest off the clock… just like you amd me can.

  • Black Gold

    He does have that First Amendment right, but it’s just really inappropriate for a President to inject himself into racial politics in a way that functions to stoke division and flame resentment amongst the populace. While you might experience it as straight talk refreshing, he is doing this because he craves attention and wants all of the focus beamed upon him. That, and he can toss some red meat at his base. I wish you could see this for what it is, and realize that it is more damaging than helpful, or worth the satisfying consumption of those who lap him up.

    I understand the resentment toward PC as I have seen elements of it that bother me too, but what is happening is that the baby is getting tossed out with the bathwater, and the universe of things which are labelled PC and thus to be resisted has become way too broad. There are many things that need changed which are completely legitimate, but they are also being tossed into the “anything that can be even remotely labeled as a PC issue” bin, and that is a disingenuousity being perpetrated by those with such a mindset. It is the responsibility of us all as responsible individuals to separate the PC wheat from the chaff, because some of the wheat is actually really important. But that’s not what’s happening. Low information folks just scream “PC” at whatever is convenient.

    BTW, Charleston Heston made some great films in tough guy/military roles, but by the time he was NRA head he became an a-hole who was suffering from dementia. Oddly enough, he was an alum of my high school.

  • Matthew Marczi

    It’s about time. And Craig, if you’re reading this, the reading that it’s “only” me writing these articles is because Dave entrusts these assignments to me, often asking me to do it or if I’m interested in doing it or if I think it’s a good idea, because he believes that I’m a tactful writer who can handle the task respectfully.

  • David Rittenhouse

    Yes it is , it is hurting the youth of America perception of rights and obligation

  • Steeler-Drew

    You mean like the protest rally in Dallas where the Police protected the crowd when they were ambushed by a sniper and 5 were killed.

  • Michael Conrad

    No there are protests because that is what the left does. Have you not heard about the left shutting down free speech on college campuses. They don’t like a speaker coming to a college and they protest. Its a left thing. They lost the election and they are mad.

    I’m not saying its wrong but its what they do.

    Players are on the clock because if not how can they be cut for things like a fight in a club or DWI or other non game problems.

    A employer can fire you for whats on your social media.

  • Matthew Marczi

    How many places of employment have a daily rendition of the national anthem?

  • David Rittenhouse

    Steel742 I’ve switched to golf or women’s volleyball much more interesting …. next I’ll go to bass fishing

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    I didn’t read it wrong. I get what you are saying.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Protest is not a “leftist” thing. Do you know how many things conservatives have called for a boycott against just within the calendar year? The list includes a broadway play and a cup that isn’t festive enough.

    Being on the clock is not the same thing as being fired for conduct that represents an organization in a negative light that is not your constitutional right. You cannot be fired for behavior that is protected in the constitution. Fighting is not such an act that is protected, but protesting is.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Volleyball is underrated. Not that I watch much, but it can be pretty cool, and is fun to play.

  • nikki stephens

    I argue “on the clock” includes the anthem, you argue, not so. That was what it was about. At the time of the anthem, the players are either free to do as they please, or as I argue “on the clock” of the employer and not free to do anything. It’s either / or. At 12:55 pm (est) either Ben is free to do what he wants or being paid on Sunday as part of his employment with the Steelers. The gameday / NFL itinerary includes the anthem.

  • francesco

    I think i have CTE? I am numb to all of this.

  • nikki stephens

    Matt do you have a job? Not being mean, honestly, do you work or had a job in the past? You do realize the NFL is a private organization right? Your constitutional right extends to your “away time/ free” time.

  • Shane

    Wow, who would have guessed this would turn ugly in the comments.

  • David Rittenhouse

    IF a cop tells me to stand on my head I will try, if he tells me to stop I will, plus once arrested my rap sheet won’t be pages longs and my MOMA won’t be on network news saying I was agood boy… she’d smack me upside the head for getting arrested.

  • David Rittenhouse

    I like your notation talented player….. the league is in distress because it is out of control as rules are only enforced on a few while the star keep playing… all for $$$$$ Done with the NFL, NBA if golf goes I guess I will have to watch fishing shows….

  • Matthew Marczi

    “On the clock” suggests that they are paid to stand for the anthem, but they’re not. Like they’re paid an hourly wage. They are paid 1/17th of their salary every week.

  • Matthew Marczi

    This is my job. One of them anyway. The constitution (as well as state constitutions and laws) protect employees as well.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Shocking, I know. I figured we would be discussing our favorite candies and dog breeds at this point, but no.

  • O’Neal

    Well maybe the “president” should let it die.

  • O’Neal

    I wholeheartedly disagree.

  • Cullen James Riley

    Well, I will definitely acknowledge that after re-reading my comment that I did imply that the players are not donating to charities – that’s not the point that I was intending to promote. My point is that fighting racial inequality by protesting the (national anthem) story of the sacrifices made so that you have the freedom to protest IS lazy. Clearly there is a lack of research being done on the civilian side when you think that protesting freedom is a great way to achieve a higher standard of freedom. That’s silly and illogical.

    I’m not discounting/disregarding charity work – especially those in light of the underlying topic these players are fighting against, which is racial inequality. But maybe it would be beneficial to make a stance that isn’t alienating servicemembers and making a mockery of all those who have given their lives in the name of freedom.

    I don’t think Colin Kaepernick is a bad guy. I do think this protest is illogical and shameful. Try to look at it from my shoes. I would love to get into this fight against racial inequality – I want to be on the side of freedom, equality, justice, and unity – but when you tell me that one side spits on the service of both myself, and my WWII & Korean War veteran grandfather… No. That side is wrong. It may have good intentions, but it has very poor judgment.

  • O’Neal

    It is every americans responsibility to fight against injustice.

  • steelcityinny

    I am going to disagree with Art on this one. I have a lot of respect for the Rooney’s. But tell the players to stand up for the anthem. If you don’t want to stand, then get the hell out of the country,

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    I hate that it’s an issue. I hate that ppl instead of looking at these problems instead say I’m not watching or he is disrespectful towards the flag and our military when it is not about that. It’s really hard this day and age living in this skin, but I’ve got a family and I’ll do anything in my power for them. Every Sunday that I pray I add I wish we all can stand hand in hand for the good of this nation. I mean this and will continue to pray for it. I just pray for better days and ppl will see the errors of their ways. Sorry for the rambling, Phil, but it’s rough.

  • NinjaMountie

    Matt, I agree with almost everything you’ve said. However, if you’re are being fair you have to admit that the Left is driving the “protest” narrative much more than the Right. Yes, there are right-wing idiots but the left are the ones that appear more and more militant at this time.

  • John Noh

    No, not for private sector companies. There were two SCOTUS cases that established a very high bar for these employees to assert First Amendment protections in the workplace. Ironically, one of the cases was about speech being determined to be disruptive in the workplace, which prompted termination. Also, you cannot assert Fourth Amendment privileges either when it comes to data privacy, passwords, etc.

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights enumerates our protection from government.

  • David Rittenhouse

    Gautam;

    Excuse me but I turn on a football game to be entertained by entertainers. I don’t want to hear an overpaid athelet postion on police brutatily. As it will be the same force who will be be protecting him from crowds who want his autograph …. I’ve watch Zack Thomas and Jason Taylor of the hire bodyguards (police) of the Dolphins do this. I witnessed Charles Barkley spit on a girl in the crowd at a Rockets game… DIscussed with the way America hold these people in high esteem and disrespect police….

  • Black Gold

    Ahh, everything’s so black and white, eh? Perfect duality. No grey, no nuance allowed…

  • David Rittenhouse

    You have that right too… now Monday morning while at work protest your opinion while your company’s best highpaying customers are being shown around the shop,store, factory and see of you have the right to clean out your desk….

  • nikki stephens

    simple yes or no – is the 3 minutes (ON gameday) prior to the game where the NFL plays, sings the country’s national anthem disjointed and therefore unrelated to the player and the employer (NFL team). And if you want to argue the “constitutional” right, your saying that “right” allows the player to do freely what they wish w/o recourse from the employer? And you believe they would / could NOTbe fined, cut, reprimanded, ect. because they are “protected”?

  • hdogg48

    OK you want to talk about your perceptions of
    how people like me can fall for a con man like Trump.

    I’m not so much a fan of his as a person or a President
    as I am for his ability to stand up for what many of us
    believe is right.

    It has been my experience that when any group be
    they racial, ethnic, social, or of a particular sexual
    orientation assumes power be it Politcal, Social
    or Economic…they have a tendency to take care
    of their own.

    In the grand scheme of things this is seen as acceptable
    and the result of human nature….EXCEPT…when a White
    male does it….then…it is some kind of reprehensible
    “ism” perpetrated by some kind of deplorable “ists”.

    That’s the best thing I like about Trump….he gets
    that and says or tweets “enough already.”

  • nikki stephens

    you took it that way, I have argued and continue to do so it’s the “teams time” Kapernick and crowd can spend their off day (during the season), from Feb. to June praying, gaming, preaching in the town square, fly fishing for all I care – it’s their time w/ all constitutional right protections. But they can be fined, fired, reprimanded for conduct that violates team standards (JUST LIKE TRUMP IS USED TO IN THE BUSINESS WORLD).

  • nikki stephens

    9/29/16 President Barack Obama said at a
    CNN presidential town hall Wednesday that he respected Colin
    Kaepernick’s decision not to stand during the national anthem.

    (moderator holding up approval of my links to the highly divisive PREVIOUS president)

    9/5/2016 President Obama said Monday that NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick was
    “exercising his constitutional right” to bring attention to racial
    injustice by not taking part in the national anthem at the start of San
    Francisco 49ers football games.

    (moderator holding up approval of another one of my links to the highly divisive PREVIOUS president)

    9/7/2016 from ny daily news President Obama threw his support
    to Colin Kaepernick on Monday, saying the 49ers quarterback was
    “exercising his constitutional right to make a statement” when he
    refused to stand during the national anthem.

    funny, the fake “constitutional law” president didn’t even realize he falsely labeled kapernick game protests as a constitutional right!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    I disagree – it hurts the psyche of the people who make the greatest sacrifices to preserve our freedom.
    I guess my point is that – whether I like it or not is immaterial – there are OTHER venues that they can use to protest.
    I get that NFL games attract a large audience but these guys are famous enough to draw attention to their cause without disrespecting the flag/anthem and politicizing sport.

  • NinjaMountie

    Starbursts and silver labs. You?

  • O’Neal

    Freedom. You don’t have any bearing on their decision. Love it hate it somewhere between, doesn’t really matter

  • O’Neal

    Irrelevant

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    You mean like not standing for the national anthem? Where is the care for how that affects those that have fought for this country?

  • Matthew Marczi

    I’ve always liked Siberian huskies for some reason, but my aunt’s had a couple of cool golden retrievers. For candy I usually go for Twix but I’m pretty flexible. Starburst are great. Kit Kats, Snickers, Raisinets…it’s all good.

  • O’Neal

    I work for myself so i can do as i see fit anyways.

  • John Noh

    We adopted a Siberian Husky. My wife loved how she looked; I was less convinced. But I’ve fallen head over heels and basically she’s my dog now – I do all the walking, feeding, grooming. High maintenance breed but ours is worth it!

  • NinjaMountie

    SH are some cool looking animals.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I don’t really want to get into the merits and justifications of the protest itself, that’s the specific hot topic I’ve been trying to avoid. I just wanted to clarify that these guys are doing stuff off the field too, but you seem to understand that, so it’s cool.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Yeah I’ve heard they take a lot of attention, but they’re just so cool.

  • Matthew Marczi

    The NFL cannot fire a player for not standing for the national anthem.

  • John Noh

    Takes a lot of exercise and they are basically a fur factory at least twice a year. But they are so intelligent, which means that they are loyal without being obsequious. She definitely has her own opinions about things.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Sure, the opposition to the party in power tends to be the most active. Right now the conservative end of the spectrum controls the majority of power, so the left is more active. I’m sure the opposite will be true with the next left-leaning government in place.

  • Matthew Marczi

    It is a constitutional right of every American citizen to protest.

  • John Noh

    Oh, and I’m partial to cherry sours and banana runts. Also, Smarties,

  • Matthew Marczi

    You are wrong, sorry. If that were the case a player would have already been fired for doing it.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I really wish people would stop treating those who served as a monolithic group. A lot of veterans have come out in support of Kaepernick, both for his method of protesting and what he wanted to protest. Police officers just within the past month I think held a rally in support of Kaepernick. As with pretty much every demographic imaginable, there are some who support and some who oppose it

  • Matthew Marczi

    Oh I forgot all about Runts. Haven’t had them in many years, probably, but they definitely used to be one of my favorite candies. Especially the bananas and the oranges.

  • Cullen James Riley

    That’s completely fair. I appreciate you responding to my comments by the way. I really enjoy all of the work you and Alex(and the rest of the SteelersDepot staff) put into these articles! You made the offseason bearable, and for that, I am incredibly thankful. Haha.

    Calling it now, Pittsburgh 32 Chicago 17.

  • Steeler-Drew

    It doesn’t matter that his rap sheet is a mile long and he refused to obey 100 police commands. Or that video doesn’t show what happened prior to the physical confrontation to include Police commands. But hey he’s a good person. You obviously respect the police but those who don’t has reached new heights. Which is part of the problem that never gets talked about.

  • rystorm06

    Why not, I’d like to see trump vs Obama go one on one in a game of basketball lol

  • nikki stephens

    AGAIN simple yes or no – is the 3 minutes (ON gameday) prior to the game where
    the NFL plays, sings the country’s national anthem disjointed and
    therefore unrelated to the player and the employer (NFL team). If the player is proven by the team to violate code of conduct they could. But you have narrowly provided an example of just “not standing”. I will give you it would be terrible press and public relations nightmare and “firing” would be highly unlikely.

  • mhurk

    They have the right to kneel, I have the right to boycott Their product. Done deal.

  • Zarbor

    I always respect those who serve (like you) in our military since my family is full of Military Vets. I unfortunately did not get to serve (not from a lack of trying) because of a heart issue that the military was not willing to risk even though I played football.

    Nevertheless, I believe most military people feel the same way you do. I personally do not disagree with the message that these players are trying to convey to the country. I disagree with the method in which they are going about it, as do many people. Sad because most people who are upset with the way the players are going about it with the flag, refuse to acknowledge, quietly disagree or could careless about the issue that they are addressing. That offends me just as much as using the flag as a way to send a message. Its like using the flag is an issue but the issue they are addressing doesn’t really exist.

    I personally do not want to get into any political convo since I come to this site to get away from that vitriol all on the internet and in the media. Sports is a great way to unite people. We’ve seen it after 9-11 in NY, we’ve seen in NOLA with hurricane Katrina. What makes it most difficult is when we have a president who makes comments that stirs up the vitriol intentional or unintentional and brings it to the NFL so much so that owners, commish, NFPLA and players have to respond.

    Sad day for the NFL and for our country. I only see sports now getting more political. That would drive me out not this other nonsense. Thanks for serving. Thanks Mr. Rooney for your simple comments. Lets get back to Steelers vs Chicago.

  • nikki stephens

    matt, you are too adept at the old straw man reasoning which doesn’t work for anyone over 30. I never denied “It is a constitutional right of every American citizen to protest.”
    I simply defined private “protest” time vs Nfl employer time…..I think you know that and I proved my point in numerous posts. Secondly, I doubt the president would want the nfl owners (or fans to boycott the NFL) to get rid of anyone “protesting” on their “off” time or the off season.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Sadly I think that many cops have been made paranoid by the world as it is today. I mean, if I was armed with a nightstick and a pistol and came across assault rifles, I would be on edge also.

    This does not excuse what you or your brother experienced, nor does it excuse what blacks (and other minorities) have suffered – absent good reason – from the actions of the cops.

    I think the point that many people of color in general miss on this topic is that whites DO get harassed as well – and your brothers experience and yours is an example of that.

    Do people of color get MORE harassment than whites? Many studies indicate that they do. But as football fans, we know that interpretation of data can be dicey. Statistics can be misleading.

    If somebody does wrong (whether of color or white) they deserve to be punished per the law when proven guilty. Period.
    If they don’t do wrong then they should not be punished. Period.

    Sounds simple but that’s where the frailties of humanity come in right?

  • nikki stephens

    wrong, they can be just because no owner wanted to make a distraction or carry a fine out doesn’t mean they can’t. I spoke to charlie batch, former union team head on live radio (game 5 or 6 last year). He said undoubtedly a team could take any disciplinary action they deemed necessary but they probably wouldn’t because he hypothesized that Roger Goodell has instructed them not too so as to elevate the subject. I’ll take charlie over you – sorry

    To be clear, he did not claim he knew for sure goodell sent anything out but said he has heard rumors. Remember he wasn’t the team rep last year because he was retired.

  • Jeff Papiernik

    You always post political posts. Enough. We don’t want them.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    And based on your and your brothers personal experiences it is logical for you to write about it.
    I for one don’t fault you or the Depot for addressing this since it has (unfortunately) been melded with sport.
    Sadly, sport is no more immune to the infusion of politics than our everyday lives. 😑

  • Matthew Marczi

    I like it. And thanks, we do our best.

  • Black Gold

    I think I get what you are saying that you perceive that white males (of which I am one) have become demonized as “racist” when they are challenged on their attempt to “push back” on the cultural narrative (i.e. defend one’s own). But I look at it as a resentment on their part that they are losing their “white privilege.” It’s not so much racial as it is a class thing. Even if you are uneducated and have a factory job, white males could always view themselves as being “above” someone, and in many instances in this country that would be blacks. In addition, white privilege would passively and automatically confer advantages unto you, by virtue of race. So you could get the factory job that the other guy couldn’t, etc. That is breaking down as those old jobs don’t exist anymore. And uneducated white males are under pressure like never before. They can’t find work, pop opiates and the like, but the thing that gets them more than anything is that they can no longer look at someone else as being beneath them, which used to give them solace.

    Because of this, I think white males are pissed. Uneducated and unskilled ones that is. And in this environment they are clinging to whatever identity they have left, which is their racial identity, which used to confer automatic advantages. As a result, any perceived attack on them as a racial and categorical entity, given their situation, results in them lashing out against the “PC” narrative, which actually is really just simply a natural progression of our social evolution.

    This is exacerbated by geographic tribalism as rural areas are dominated by under-educated whites. I understand how these people feel, but the truth is that they have been riding on an advantage plane that is neither right nor is it sustainable. Focussing on hatred of the other, or how the cultural narrative is challenging their ill-gotten advantage, is an exercise in futility and stupidity. So as I see it, what we are witnessing is the dying gasps of white privilege.

    If we can get past all of this, we can embrace the work involved in realizing individual self determination (with individual responsibility for one’s actualization), without the crutch of a structurally unfair system whereby one group is given advantage over another. In the future you won’t get a n easier ride simply because you are white. White people just have to let it go. And if that can be done, all people in this country, regardless of their race, will actually benefit from the diversity as they become familiar and comfortable with it. People are people.

    Thanks for the civil and interesting discussion.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Not standing, raising a fist, kneeling, these are not fireable offenses. Not even being on the field could be a different matter entirely. You’re not allowed to leave the field early, so I imagine you’re not allowed to be on the field late either. But nobody has protested in the form of not coming out on the field.

  • Zarbor

    Clearly some of these folks don’t know or understand Dan….If they did they would know he was all for player rights, human equality so much so we have the Rooney Rule.

    What Dan and the Rooney family would not stand for, is doing things that would hurt the team and the organization and of course Pittsburgh.

  • mhurk

    Trump did not start the “War on Cops” His Predecessor did, He just has to clean up the mess.

  • walter

    This is not be the place to mention it but I guess you read about Aaron Hernendez and his lawyers claims he was suffering from advanced CTE. Maybe you do an article on this. Its a subject you feel strongly about. and i would like to hear more about it

  • Matthew Marczi

    You said that he “falsely labeled” it as a constitutional right, yet it is. I really don’t think you can just keep saying that you proved your point as a replacement for actually proving your point.

    By the way, from you quote, he said that it was his constitutional right specifically “to make a statement”.

  • Matthew Marczi

    An employer can do whatever they want until somebody sues them.

  • Matthew Marczi

    That’s of course the worst part about the whole thing. Almost all who enjoy sports do so at least in part because it provides a distraction from the tribulations of daily life, but unfortunately we can’t always have the luxury of ignoring that it doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s great when we can though.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Julian, you are right that this must be discussed but why in this particular venue?
    And why in this method that so many will take offense to?
    I get that Kaepernick is a football player but could he not have used his fame to shed light on this someplace other than a football game, and by doing something other than shunning our (mine AND yours!) national anthem?
    Free speech is our right but I think the method chosen will sadly offend many even if that was not the intention. And may very well serve as a distraction to his core message.

  • Matthew Marczi

    See my previous reply to another poster: “the reason that it’s “only” me writing these articles is because Dave entrusts these assignments to me, often asking me to do it or if I’m interested in doing it or if I think it’s a good idea, because he believes that I’m a tactful writer who can handle the task respectfully”.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Indeed, his priority first and foremost after his faith and family was always his team, his city, and then the league.

  • Matthew Marczi

    That would be a ratings monster for sure. I’d like to even see a lowered net so we can get some dunks in.

  • Cal City Conservative

    You left blacks are slain BY OTHER BLACKS, FAR MORE than are EVER killed by cops. Get a clue.

  • Cal City Conservative

    Sight it or I call BS! You posted it PROVE it!

  • Jaybird

    Snickers and Bullmastiffs.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I did read that, but no, I don’t think that’s something I would write about, at least not during the season. Maybe if it came up during one of the dead periods and I was admittedly starving for content I would address it.

  • Matthew Marczi
  • Jeff Papiernik

    Well now take this feedback back to Dave so that these inciting articles don’t get put out.

  • Matthew Marczi

    To be honest, you only get one opinion, and not everybody shares yours. These things come up infrequently enough that you can ignore them, but pretty much whenever the owner, head coach, or general manager of the team this site covers issues some kind of statement, it’s going to receive coverage.

  • Cal City Conservative

    Which PILLARS of the black community are you talking about? Mr. hands up don’t shoot by any chance? That was PROVEN a LIE! How about good old Mr. skittles you addressing that fine POS too?

    You are a mental ass kissing midget. You stick to kissing black ass how about that?

  • Jeff Papiernik

    That’s cool. Keep alienating the readers and fan base. Smart business decision.

  • Matthew Marczi

    You’re free to express your opinion, but start showing more respect with how you do it. This goes for everybody reading this. Don’t insult other commenters.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    I am Irish American. Back in the day, employers had signs in their windows that simply said NINA.
    It was not a girls name, it stood for “No Irish Need Apply” (and may have been used to discriminate against Italian immigrants as well since Italian begins with an ‘I’).
    My point is that people of color are not the first to experience discrimination and that it is not unique to POC.
    Sadly it has been around probably since the dawn of human civilization.
    It is the protestors absolute RIGHT to do this but the fact that it offends many (due to disrespecting the anthem and flag) likely dilutes the power of the message.
    Just seems like there are other, better ways and places to accomplish the protestors goal.

  • Cal City Conservative

    Can you address anything he said that was WRONG? Most likely not. It appears you are the one turning it into a race thing.

  • OIF3gunner

    It is also our right as citizens to call him an idiot and not back him.

  • walter

    Yea the season is here and we can put CTE on the back burner.
    But I have yet to see a game because of hurricame Irma. I have only my smartphone

  • Matthew Marczi

    If somebody wants to stop following the site because one out of every 1000 or so articles is not to their taste, then I think that says more about the reader than the site’s content.

  • Matthew Marczi

    That is 100% true.

  • Matthew Marczi

    That sucks, I guess you’re not going to be able to see the Bears game then?

  • Cal City Conservative

    One persons opinion.

  • Jeff Papiernik

    You just said if Bell or someone takes a knee tomorrow, it will be reported. So much for 1 in a 1000.

  • nutty32

    Marching with torches shouting anti-semetic slogans is ok & done by “good people,” but silently kneeling to protest over aggressive cops is a problem. LoL. What a dotard.

  • OIF3gunner

    I will absolutely tell them

  • OIF3gunner

    Yeah, because it’s real…

  • Cal City Conservative

    Conduct unbecoming is though! Man you are a light weight.

  • Steel-on-Target

    I don’t believe there are any clauses in player contracts forbidding them from flipping off fans in the stands either. Yet somehow, the league seems to understand that is bad for business.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Do you even follow football? It looks like all your other comments are on Breitbart. I don’t think you really get a say as to how well we cover things if you don’t follow us. Clearly you came here via other means are are trying to stir things up.

  • walter

    Not unless I go to a hotel room but thats getting pricey. I dont think its gonna be on in south florida anyway. I will read about it later on the Depot on my celphone or laptop at McDonalds

  • Jordan James

    Bennett was caught on tape by TMZ lying about what happened at a bar when he was arrested and it is just brushed aside. I’m still amazed how many blacks think “hands up don’t shoot” is real.

    America treats blacks better than any country in the world including African countries. Every race is racist and every race had slave owners. Go into any predominantly black community and it is a cesspool of crime and drugs. The media doesn’t even cover most of the crime by blacks including attacks on white people. Blacks need to stop blaming whites and look in the mirror.

  • Jaybird

    Hang in there Matt. Your taking a lot of crap , and I give you credit for not telling some of these guys to go F themselves.

  • OIF3gunner

    So what’s your issue!?

  • walter

    Wow Im very sorry to hear that. But she will be OK, Jaybird.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Keep trying. How did you find this page? You don’t follow us.

  • Cal City Conservative

    NYT eff off with that LIBERAL FISH wrapper. I would expect nothing less. Over ruled. I have never heard of the other one so who knows.

    There are still many more that do NOT approve.

  • Jordan James

    This issue is all about race. When these protesters talk about the injustice by America against blacks they are talking about white people or White America. So don’t post the article if you are uncomfortable about race.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’m going to post one more time on this and then I’m only talking about football, candy, and dog breeds.
    Matthew was well within his purview to post this article. Yes, it’s political. However, to be fair, our POTUS did conflate sports and politics which opened the discussion. It isn’t like Matthew decided to suddenly talk about abortion rights or something similar.
    Another thing, it’s the first article like this to my recollection so lets have a little perspective. I don’t think this site is going to turn into a political site.
    So, Matthew, while I’m certain that we don’t agree about everything, I respect your right of free speech.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I think there is an overwhelmingly obvious distinction between giving people the middle finger (which owners have been fined for) and remaining seated during the national anthem.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Do you really expect us, if Bell takes a knee, to not write about it? I mean seriously? We’re a Steelers site. If a Steelers player takes a knee, it’s an act that needs to be covered by a Steelers website.

  • NinjaMountie

    I like the look but I’ve heard conflicting reports about how they are with children. That’s why I never got one.

  • Jeff Papiernik

    And then the comments section can delve into another fire storm of political arguments. Awesome. That’s what we all want. Forget about there’s a game going on tomorrow.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I don’t have an issue with people saying Kaepernick is an idiot and saying that they don’t support what he’s doing. But if they say something that I think is factually inaccurate, like suggesting that he doesn’t do anything outside of taking a knee, then I think they should be corrected.

  • Matthew Marczi

    That’s one of the reasons we exist, haha. Not everybody gets to catch the games live.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to say that.

  • Matthew Marczi

    It will be only one of dozens of articles that can be easily enough ignored. That kind of nonsense doesn’t bleed into the football content.

  • John

    Hear that guys….you’re un-American if you would rather live without the opinion of the commissioner of the NFL now..

  • Matthew Marczi

    They are covering an event that actually happened. Do you think they made up the event?

    Here is a more direct link to the open letter published by the Veterans for Kaepernick group: https://medium.com/@VetsForKaep/an-open-letter-of-support-for-colin-kaepernick-from-american-military-veterans-cda9bffb764c#.lt9b8cf8c

  • NinjaMountie

    No problem, brother! Now…Go Steelers!

  • Matthew Marczi

    Exactly. I’m working on football content for the morning right now.

  • Black Gold

    Yeah, that juxtaposition doesn’t pass the smell test.

  • Jordan James

    60 million white people in America live in poverty. Do you think they have white privilege? No, but they are the group that take the brunt of affirmative action, the unfair hiring practices that blacks enjoy along with the college admission standards. Not to mention they have to live in neighborhoods with blacks like you that use this liberal ideology to justify bullying them.

    Most white people are just trying to raise a family and make the best lives for their children but I guess people like you think that is racist because they should be thinking about blacks and how to make their lives better.

    Blacks are given the best opportunities to succeed in this country. No other country in the world gives blacks the opportunities that America gives them but if you want to sell drugs and impregnate out of wedlock and don’t care about hard work but only when your welfare money is available then America cannot help you and America will not help whites who do it either.

  • nutty32

    Why not?

  • Jordan James

    Athletes are right about what? They paint everything with a broad brush. Go into details.

  • Jaybird

    Thanks buddy.

  • Jordan James

    Not credible sources. The NYT are you kidding?

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    The only unique aspect of the discrimination blacks/people of color are experiencing is that they were FORCEFULLY brought here to America.
    Virtually every immigrant group has experienced discrimination, many of them white in race.
    This is NOT new, just the name(s) of the group receiving discrimination.
    Irish, Italian, Jews, Chinese, Japanese, Germans, Eastern Europeans – it goes on and on.
    Even the people who were LEGITIMATELY here first (Native Americans).
    Do you understand THIS heritage/history?

  • Jaybird

    Because of you I have to look up what a silver lab is at 1:30 am! Lol

    Edit: I never knew there was a silver lab , but they are beautiful dogs. Very cool eyes also.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Just google Frank Serpico and Colin Kaepernick and choose the source that pleases you, I really don’t care. It’s an actual event that happened, doesn’t really matter who covered it. See my second reply below for a direct link to the open letter from the members of armed services.

  • Jordan James

    One event i which it was painted that police support Kap is some how proof. Not true and that crap is BS.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    But isn’t the subject of the protests strongly related to race?
    The inference is that people of color are unjustly discriminated against by police.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    It’s great that they are protesting social injustice. But it was unrealistic to think that even a silent protest executed during the national anthem would not be offensive to many.

  • Black Gold

    Because Nazis and KKK sympathizers are morally indefensible, whereas players silently protesting eons of racial discrimination are respectfully and legitimately expressing their opinions! Duh?

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    We should ALL pray for better days as well as for social justice.
    But I think it’s sad that many in this comment trail apparently DON’T see that by not showing respect for our and THEIR flag/anthem, they are offending others who have sacrificed so much for the protestors to be able to freely do so.

  • nutty32

    I think you misread what I wrote.

  • pittfan

    Actually, Kapernick and other players conflated politics and sports to light this whole thing off, but I do agree that since it was Steeler management’s comments that were being reported and this is a Steeler site, the article was appropriate and Matthew handled it well.

  • Zarbor

    Dude, stop wasting your time. This is the problem in our country and it doesn’t matter if you have facts. People will believe what they want to believe regardless. They are not open to being corrected if it doesn’t fall in line with their biases, dislikes and hatred for those who have different views from them. They pick a side and plant their flag brainwashed by the media on whatever side they choose. Only for them to call you brainwashed. Never ending cycle to nowhere.

    Lets keep it to sports and more so lets keep it Steelers….all the time.

  • Black Gold

    Honestly, I think you misunderstand me. I agree with you, unless you are being excessively cryptic, and are a right-wing nutty?

  • Matthew Marczi

    Thanks, pittfan.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Yeah, I think you guys are talking past each other a bit. I misattributed your sentiment in your first comment initially as well, but I now see it.

  • Matthew Marczi

    To be honest, it’s just a distraction in between writing articles right now. I’ve got one more to finish for the morning, and none of them are about politics, that’s for damn sure.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Some police, and some military veterans, support Kaepernick. There is incontrovertible evidence of this fact, e.g. actually officers and veterans saying that they support Kaepernick.

  • Black Gold

    Ahh, I see it now as well. I was being literal, but the tone had unintended insinuation.

  • PaeperCup

    I’ve always liked you Mountie. Stuff like this, voice of reason from a relevant perspective…you go girl.

  • Zarbor

    Good. I personally do not want to know some of the people’s political views on this site since as you can clearly see, a number of them are very ignorant to facts, racially insensitive, politically biased, angry, bitter and brainwashed.

    I personally thought you should have modded several of them whom I now have no desired to have any type of discussions with them about anything. That is unfortunate since I love Steeler Nation…with just about no matter our disagreement about the team. I can not in good faith have discussions with several on here base on their political comments who just don’t seem to be good people.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I don’t really care for the modding duties. Honestly Dave just kind of gave it to me but I don’t like to use it, I just like to engage in the community.

  • copanut

    A president is supposed to be smarter and wiser than a football player, or at least more diplomatic. It’s a false equivalence to expect the same from Trump as Kaep. Trump is far worse. He took a one man protest and has now spread it across the league, and indeed across multiple sports leagues.

  • Steeler-Drew

    I was going to let this one go but after reading the comments I felt compelled to make a stand for fellow officers. Since most seem to be okay protesting the Anthem shouldn’t that protest include police officers that were killed as a result of racist hate crimes. That would be hypocritical if they didn’t. You know the innocent ones who were murdered in retaliation. And we are not just talking about murder. We are talking about premeditated murder. I promise you no officer started his day deciding he was going to take another person’s life. They want to go home to their family just like any other person in any ofter job. And Officers are continuing to be ambushed to this day. Does this get the needed attention it deserves. Not a chance, they want to continue this theme that the Police are racist in general. Those innocent people had families too but they seem to be a distant memory since the media seems fixated on distorting public perception. You can thank the media for the public divide that exists by continuing to brainwash people and sensationalize at every opportunity. The white officer shooting an unarmed/armed white male is back page news or may not make news at all. The same can be said by a black officer shooting a white male. The black officer who shoots an unarmed/armed black male makes the news but not the news of a white officer shooting an unarmed/armed black male. Not even close. Why is this? It’s a complete joke how much of a bad rap Police get from the media. All of those scenarios happen but the one that gets sensationalized the most is the last one. People need to realize the level of the lack of respect for the Police has grown to and if Police commands were obeyed from the beginning the end result would not be a person losing his life.

    There are good and bad in every profession but the media would like you to believe there is more bad than good. Of course there are some bad apples but once again so does every profession. Some have been a result of a bad seed, some have been a result of inexperience or lack of qualification(making a split second mistake), and others are result of justification. Armed or unarmed officers are not thinking about another person’s color. They are thinking about going home that day. I firmly believe 99% are good and try to do their job to the best of their ability. But the media will focus on the 1% turning it into a national problem.

    Recently a conservative news staton did a story on a black male who shot a black officer 8 times while the officer was giving commands with a taser. Do you think that officer would have rather had his gun out instead of a taser after the male refused several police commands to show his hands. Thankfully the officer lived to tell about it but is no longer an officer. But do you think the mainstream media made this a story. Once again, not a chance. The bias the media has is beyond sickening and thankfully at least some know better.

  • Wil Masisak

    The protest has NOTHING to do with the military, and Villanueva said himself that he is on Kaepernick’s side of the issue and would gladly work with him to face it… so I have no idea why people keep trying to make this an anti-soldier or anti-military protest. It’s not. Maybe I can see police being against the protest but, honestly, if you’re a policeman and don’t at least understand why Kaepernick and other POC are upset about this issue, I think you’re in denial.

    Regardless, this is a peaceful protest, by privileged people who understand that they have a responsibility to use their actions to stand up for the less fortunate. Hell, soldiers understand that concept better than anyone who is protesting the protestors– most of them have been ardent supporters of Kaepernick’s right to protest and of American tradition of peaceful protest.

  • copanut

    Far more than one. Excellent job Matt.

  • copanut

    Probably a Russian troll or someone brainwashed by same. Good thing moderators can fix that problem, LOL.

  • nutty32

    I fear this stuff is going to bleed into the stands. Bad things are going to happen when passionate issues such as these mix with alcohol & team tribal intensity that already exists. Just hope everyone stays safe & discussing things like this here can only make people more aware and calmer.
    Really no idea why our President waded into this instead of coming up with a health care plan, tax plan or infrastructure plan for discussion on political sites.

  • Wil Masisak

    Here’s a suggestion: tune in after the anthem (which didn’t even get played while the players were on the field as recently as a few years ago).

  • Wil Masisak

    Then stop playing the anthem and having military support month and air force flyovers and paratroopers jumping into the stadia. I agree: it has no place in sports.

  • Wil Masisak

    Sure but you can lie about being Irish or Italian or catholic or Jewish… you might even be mistaken by some bigot. It’s very hard to hide the color of your skin.

  • nutty32

    Agree 100% with your sentiment, but it’s actually a deflection from what’s really being discussed/protested. No one is saying policing is easy or that they don’t make sacrifices to protect us. I think all this stuff would calm down if the easy cases of bad cop were handled a little better. Michael Brown is very debatable, but some of these other ones seem like no brainers yet nothing happens. For example, the guy in NY that was choked to death for selling loose cigarettes or the Ca Highway Patrol guy beating up that homeless lady or the Fullerton police beating that homeless guy to death while he was crying out for his dad.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    Football.

  • Wil Masisak

    If any NFL team overtly cuts a player for protesting, there won’t be enough available players to form teams to play the following week in the NFL.

  • nutty32

    Pointing out the existence of liberal lunatics does what exactly? Seems irrelevant to the beginning sentiment in your post & serves only to make you angry. That’s how AM talk radio works.

  • Wil Masisak

    It may be a country that had millions of brave men die for freedom but it’s also the country that exterminated Native Americans, enslaved Africans, firebombed Dresden, dropped not one but two nuclear WMD on Japanese civilians, carpet bombed to death 20% of the civilian population of North Korea and so on. Being a good American means seeing that flag and knowing that it represents everything you wrote and everything I wrote.

  • 2020_Vision

    Can’t compare the black experience to any other ethnic group when it comes to treatment in America. Kidnapped, Families Divided, Raped, Forced Labor, Not Considered A Whole Person

  • NinjaMountie

    I guess you missed where I pointed out conservative hypocrites as well? Oh, and I rarely, if ever, get angry over such trivial matters. I reserve my anger for truly important topics….like the Ravens.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’ve always liked you too, my friend. Wow, we’ve been poking around the same Steelers sites forever.

  • Wil Masisak

    one last point and then I let it go– When I look at the flag, I think of the country it represents and the idealized version of what this place is supposed to stand for: freedom. Freedom is something that we give each other, out of respect that each of us wants it and deserves it, and that (at some point) fought for it and devoted and/or gave our lives to make it a reality. In that context, I can’t think of a better method for protesting an assault on freedom. The flag is about freedom and respect for the rights of our fellow Americans/human beings, therefore a protest about lack of freedom for some during a flag ceremony seems entirely appropriate. As far as I’m concerned, if some of us are not free, then none of us are. And with that, I bid you fellow Steelers fans adieu for the night.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    Did I say we weren’t? I’m talking about by cops. Read.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    I can’t say enough that this protest isn’t about the flag or the anthem. I don’t know what else to say.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    Read what they said. I’m just responding.

  • steelmann58

    Well I won’t get to political I think the president has the same 1st admendent rights as the players right to knell. But i think players are two faced like ok take the money money I think the owners really are ticked off by these proteST BUT scared of the POLTICAL BS AND I HOPE THAT SOMEDAY ALL THE OWNER

  • steelmann58

    I wish more owners took the jerry jones spot with there teams and kudos to him for trying to get others to oust the king

  • Darth Blount 47

    I love carpet. I love desk.

    “Brick, are you just looking at things in the office and saying that you love them?”

    I love lamp.

    “Do you REALLY love the lamp or are you just saying it because you saw it?”

    I love lamp. I love… lamp.

  • Peki

    What a dotard.

  • Ryan Alderman

    I’ve stated my personal opinion in the past on this one. I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says, but on this particular matter I agree with him as it bothers me to see kneeling during our anthem. Just my two cents worth. I don’t, however, find it indicative of an NFL player’s actions otherwise and am unsure why hurricane fund raising efforts, for example, were brought up to substantiate that these players are “good” guys. End of the day I just want to watch a football game, leave the rest of this stuff for the other six days and 21 hours in the week.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I hear you man. Skin aside it is tough to walk in anyones shoes and when you add in skin it becomes even moreso. The biggest issue has been and will continue to be communication and hypocrisy. Trump for example, can have his stance and it would be fine (though some people would still go crazy) but why did it have to be “sons of bitches”? And don’t get me wrong, people are adults and hear worse everyday but given the divide in the nation it would be best to take a different approach when speaking on the issue. And then the people against Trump really like to use the “lovetrumpshate” hashtag or whatever and I see more hateful rhetoric from them than I have from anywhere else.

    I just don’t understand that lack of self awareness in people and it drives me nuts. And then with every president recently it is the last presidents fault. A big thing for Obama was Bush put us here and a big thing for Trump is Obama put us here. Where is the self reflection in these guys and how can we move the conversation forward if we are constantly talking about what happened previously?

    At this point it almost seems best to block out most of the world and focus on yourself and what you can control. If you are someone where policing is a concern for you get active in your community and get to know your local police and do what you can for you and your own. To heck with the presidents rhetoric or athletes actions. Same goes for any issue really. Block out the noise and focus on what you can personally do. Organize the community and work out from there.

    Not sure where I am going with all of this lol but there it is.

  • Ryan Alderman

    Yes, hope she recovers soon, real sorry to hear this.

  • Ryan Alderman

    Talk about a beautifully stated opinion.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    This protest has something to do with the military because of when it happens. When people stand up for the flag who exactly do you think they are honoring? People tend to forget the concept of unintended consequences when it comes to this issue and I have been pointing it out almost from the minute Kaepernick kneeling became a story.

    I think most level headed people know Kaepernicks protest isn’t AGAINST the military, but it is still disrespectful to them regardless of how he intends it to come across. That is why it continues to be talked about and talked about even moreso than the social injustice aspect. I personally am not mad at Kaepernick because I am one of the level headed people who understand why he did what he did. I do however think he was foolish for his choice of venue because again, the conversation has been like 95% about rights, military, and now Kaepernick having a job and almost none of it has been about the police.

  • Peki

    You may think of them as entertainers only, but they are citizens, too. Their existence extends beyond your entertainment.

  • Peki

    Not so sure his protest hasn’t been successful. He’s out of the league, yes, but here we are, all of us talking about the legitimacy of his actions, players, owners, president included.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Well yeah, I said as much as well. But the initial protest was mainly about police brutality and the treatment of black people. Haven’t really talked much about that.

  • Aj Gentile

    Jay I hope your daughter gets better quick

  • lyke skywalker

    He was a Democrat after all.

  • Aj Gentile

    Boy you have some issues

  • Rusted Out

    I’m very grateful too. If one Steeler’s knee hits the turf during the anthem… I’m out. Screw your cause during my anthem. Go block traffic with the other fine American protesters on your own time.

  • Aj Gentile

    Agree or disagree with it, but it has been extremely effective to get people talking. And I’ve seen great debate come from it. Also, unfortunately, I’ve seen a lot of name calling and stubbornness to not hear the other side

  • Steve Johnson

    Well said, awesome reply.

  • Steelgator

    The best feuds are between equally matched opponents, and Trump and Goodell come pretty close in my opinion. They even look like each other, actually, which is kind of creepy. Trump’s comments, especially regarding concussion safety were pretty far out of place, but then Goodell follows it up with calling Trump “divisive” for protesting the protesting. How is Trump protesting the protests any more divisive than the protests themeselves, or Goodell’s protest of Trump’s protest of protests?

  • Craig M

    Simply put, you apparently wrote the article for attention/ reaction/ response, you offered nothing in ideas in addressing the problem. IMO. And I don’t even know why I’m taking the time to respond to you for your article has pretty much ruined my outlook on a game/ sport I love. Good Buy!

  • Rusted Out

    LOL, yea good point. We should be just as upset by some of these “pop stars” that I’ve never heard of obliterate the anthem. I won’t be taking a knee, but it does make me want to bury my head.

  • RW

    Wonderful that you served, but the American flag isn’t a symbol for any one military branch. It’s a symbol of independence, freedom and justice. The protests aren’t disrespectful – they’re a collective call for the restoration of justice for a group of people who have absolutely been targeted by another. If anything, I would think that you’d be sympathetic to the idea of freedom, liberty and justice for all.

  • John Romanski

    No way Colin Kapernick isn’t more talented than 1/3 of the 32 quarterbacks starting in today’s games, and all but a few of the backup quarterbacks. He’s better than Landry Jones. I’m sure his price has gone down to 2nd string numbers. With the qb injuries and depth around the league, to suggest that his in-uniform political activism isn’t responsible for his situation just doesn’t ring true. You can agree with it or disagree, but to not accept the obviously clear premise of what’s happening here is running away from a sensitive topic. It may not be conspiratorial, and it may not even be political. It could just be 32 owners/mgrs making 32 business decisions. But we need to keep it real. I understand how hard that can be, especially in the environment of entertainment, where we seek solace from these kinds of issues.

  • Steel B

    Yeah your reply makes no sense at all. lol

  • pittfan

    lol, what?

  • RW

    It’s not “above their position” to use that position as a platform. CEOs do it all the time. Our a**hole President does it while dipping his elastic stake into a bowl of ketchup on the toilet nearly every ten minutes during the day. Them not being able to use their platform as a way to get their message across is about as un-American as anything I can think of.

  • John Romanski

    Are you sure? I heard somewhere in print he was a registered republican, even as he served in the Obama administration.

  • Art Haddow

    I am a lifelong Steelers fan and have not missed a game in over 20 years. I spend tons of money on the NFL Ticket so I can watch them here in Arizona. I can say this to Mr. Rooney, the President is correct. These protests are not part of what I pay for and do not want to support a team that allows it. The day the Steelers allow this to happen I will immediately cancel the Ticket and will NO LONGER support the team. I will do this with a heavy heart as the Steelers have been a major part of my lift. I wear my jerseys, put logos on my vehicles, purchase lots of Steeler gear and watch every game every week. I can assure Mr. Rooney that Goodell is wrong. We as Americans respect our Flag and what it stands for and for these self righteous players think they are right is absolutely wrong. Please Mr. Rooney I implore you to make sure that the Steelers and the players stand for the men and women who have sacrificed their lives for our Flag.

  • Jaybird

    Thanks AJ

  • Jaybird

    Thanks

  • John Romanski

    I’ll never understand why Roger Goodell has this wild reputation earning these endless Godwin’s Law metaphorical comparisons. Every time I hear him discuss issues in the league I’m impressed by his thoughtfulness. No exhibition of this boundless narcissism that everyone assumes he has. He has certainly made mistakes. The Ray Rice situation was blundered badly, but in the end it at least resulted in the reform that was needed. Ok, he fined James Harrison a lot and the NFLPA prioritized other issues rather than disciplinary issues on the last CBA. We’ve gotten to a point of a mob mentality with this. Everyone needs to give him a break and try to evaluate his performance more objectively. We are just reflexively assuming some nefarious intent with every statement or action he makes/takes, and just piling on… it all reveals more about the fan base than it does about him.

  • nikki stephens

    false premise, false argument …scanning these posts no one has made or claimed

  • nikki stephens

    don’t disagree their is a constitutional right ( that is not what any debate has ever been about) but the issue I say I have proven is and has been : The lightning fast response (of owners, players, national sports
    writers, celebrities, TV hosts, hollywood, espn commentators) to the
    labeling of “divisiveness” The unbelievable double standard and media
    narrative is POINT MADE / PROVEN….just to clarify

    No use responding it’s clear to anyone reading the post from the beginning your off tangent, misdirected, and at times raising “straw man” arguments. It’s best you stick to 4 downs and touchdowns. thanks

  • RW

    “Black Lives Matters Thugs”? You are a dick.

  • John Noh

    It’s Brick Tanner’s coping mechanism when things got tough in the movie “Anchorman”. Break out role for Steve Carrell on the silver screen.

  • RW

    People don’t honor the military when they stand up for the flag. Maybe that notion is something that’s been imparted on you from a young age, but we celebrate freedom and independence when we stand up. The American flag is not the Navy’s, Army’s, Air Force’s or Coast Guard’s flag. It belongs to the people, and if they aren’t being treated equally, they have a right to protest it and the people who disgrace it.

  • nikki stephens

    Another tangent when you know what I said is true. It is allowable to take action, just cause an owner hasn’t (whether its by goodell direction or scared of the media beat down), doesn’t support your quote “You are wrong, sorry. If that were the case a player would have already been fired for doing it.”
    If the public displays escalate and backlash intensifies, you will see owners discipline (just like Batch said they could).

  • nikki stephens

    Oh Will very choice words you used. So I will add to “complete” what some may say is your “incomplete” view of history. To begin with, no country is prefect. It’s hard to judge a country later by using today’s norms and foresight.

    To begin the “native” americans routinely “exterminated” (your word, not mine) smaller tribes incorporating them and often enslaving women and children for territory, hunting,and fishing grounds. The Africans sold “enslaved” captured warring tribes and sold them to Europeans for goods. As a matter of fact as we have ended the practice over 150 years ago (going to war against fellow citizens!) – the practice of slavery STILL exists in Africa and the middle east.

    The decision to firebomb Dresden and other war decisions is a very slippery slope being that the Nazi’s at the time are gassing Jews, Catholics, gypsies, and other minority groups. It was targeted for its intelligence and transportation infrastructure (which the germans denied) but that is war. Think the other side puts up huge billboards that say blow up here w/ an arrow? As for the japanese, again serious minds know taking the mainland would be 500k to 2k soldiers. It was their Emperor which despite losing the pacific carried on and even refused surrender after the first bomb. Korea was a decentralized war, those who fought it will explain the guerrilla nature of Korea and the length the enemy would hide within the local villages. Hey, I am sure those who fought it wished it was like the English / French wars where 2 sides would amass on fields / land. It ain’t like that. Again all these things are what makes the phrase “war is hell” so true. But to lament and seem eager to point out the toughest decisions and consequences of people and situations is misplaced and misguided.

  • RW

    I’m sorry, were the Irish enslaved and fully segregated from the rest of society? Oh no? Then STFU. The flag is not a symbol of the military. It represents freedom, independence and justice, and there are still significant barriers for black people in our country. I guess if you read Infowars, though, maybe not *rolls eyes*.

  • RW

    I’m not sure whether you’re aware of this, but you’re racist, bro.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Fair enough. I noted that ninja is a vet who is not offended, although not in favor of it.
    I reserve my right to oppose and disagree with the place/method as Kap has used his right to do it.

  • RW

    1. You’re a racist. For sure, bro.
    2. None of them deserved to be shot dead. Not one. And Philando Castile? That was live streamed. Want to back your way out of that one?
    3. I have a Ph.D. My mental capacity extends beyond calling someone else a “mental ass kissing midget”. Good one, bro.

  • RW

    Yes, they have white privilege. White privilege doesn’t mean if you’re white, you’re rich. Also, you are super racist dude.

  • Steeler4Ever

    I’m worried about Art the second. Like others here I am a life long Steelers fan (Im almost fifty years old) and haven’t missed, but maybe six games in forty-three years. As an employee, of a free enterprise, the employer can fire you for most anything. I’m with the President. I hope to everything that is pure and decent, that no one on the Steelers kneels during our Anthem. If they do, two weeks in a row, I will no longer watch there games. The game has already gone into the toilet,please don’t give me another reason. I will even have a funeral for them, and will mourn their loss. Because they will be dead to me, and i will mourn. We live in a country, where even the poor are wealthy, we live in a country were we as all people have more rights than most, and i dont want diversity if it means I have to call someone MX instead of Miss or Mister. I dont want diversity if it means sharia law becomes legal(looking at you Seattle), and I dont want slaves( looking at you Muslim Nations), yes they still have slaves.

  • Ralph Wagner

    As the old saying goes: united we stand the divided we fall. Well Trump sure has the NFL united after his remarks. The man is continually makes a fool of himself. I hope we as Americans stay united.

  • Steeler4Ever

    I think hes dead on

  • hdogg48

    That’s Richard to you…OK then they are choirboys at
    a church social….feel better?

    Let me let you in on a little secret….”Deliverence”was a
    movie made based on a novel 45 years ago. It
    wasn’t a documentary based on recent events
    made by Michael Moore.

  • Steeler4Ever

    and that bs, every stastic shows that black people are no more being killed than whites.

  • Steeler4Ever

    he has, Congress?

  • David Rittenhouse

    Ok Mr Self Employed;

    Step out of the box here, HIre somebody; then have them go to your best customer’s business or home. While there they can demostrate the lack of benefits you pay and their poor standard of living in USA because of high insurance premiums. Bottom line your customers/clients don’t want to hear it they want you or your staff to perform your services. Same here on Football, Talk outside the game I don’t want to hear about it from multi-millionaire sports figures during game time.

  • Steeler4Ever

    First and formost, I was taught racism of ANY kind(affirmative action), and morally wrong. But here in the USA they have aright to speek, and no one has a right to commit force against them.

  • O’Neal

    It is still irrelevant to the issue.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Cal City, you have a right to your opinions but you don’t have a right to present them in an offensive way.
    I don’t disagree with some of your points but the way you present them both offends some people and dilutes your message (much like Kaepernick’s method)!!

  • O’Neal

    Don’t watch. If you really let it bother you that much you are overreacting. Buy a box of tissue.

  • Zhan 使美国再次伟大

    United against the national anthem and the flag?

    Yeah, brilliant…

  • Hec

    Any expression of a lack of respect to anyone whether an authority or otherwise is not an expression of right it is an insult. So when I mention expression of rights you should’ve known better than to mention any thought of an insult to justify your comment or any other rights to respond to an insult used to express disrespect to anyone. I don’t condone any type of insult or any form of negative expression of rights but easy for anyone to say not to behave in that manner when they are not directly affected by the assaults on our people. And, these assaults has been going on for an awfully longtime throughout American and world history. The only time people take notice of it is when we as a people react to the assaults. So, when it’s the Law that we suppose to put our trust on committing these types of acts then ask yourself who are we to turn to? Newton’s third law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

  • Steeler4Ever

    they are in their “right”, just as Art is in his “right” to fire them.

  • Steeler4Ever

    well i can tell you, A good portion of “Steeler Nation” would stop spending money. So it would be harmful to him and family.

  • Still Waters

    Apparently free speech isn’t welcome at Steelers Depot either.

  • PwndHearts

    Man… Days like these i wish you would have left the comments section closed or at least barred anyone who cross posts on Pro Football Talk, so I don’t have to be reminded of how angry and regressive most football fans are. It makes me sad that fans of a team who’s owners pushed for and helped put in place policies that incentivized inclusivity and diversity would be so angry at people who actually play the sport they profess to love. I had Steelers pajamas when i was a pup in the 70’s and even Cliff Stoudt at QB hasn’t brought me down like some of the comments in this section.

  • Hec

    You telling me I don’t have a right to begin with is exactly where the problems lie in our country. What you and any individual signed up to go to war for may be different for the next but the war/wars in our world were not for fought for our freedom they were fought to establish power and dominance and a new world order and superiority!

  • Steeler4Ever

    but its a bogus stance. Blacks are no more being killed than whites. Every stastic shows this.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    RW, the Irish were used by European kings as cannon fodder in their armies for centuries.
    Like African nations, their homeland was colonized by foreign invaders.
    Then they were starved to death systematically by the British government- to the tune of roughly 1million or ~25% of the population.
    If that’s not enough, when they emigrated to this country, they were denied employment opportunity, shunned as inferior by society, forced to live in separate neighborhoods, used once again as cannon fodder in an unpopular war, and systematically prevented from obtaining the presidency due to their religious beliefs.

    Does this sound familiar?

    The obvious difference is that they were not of a different skin color and were not brought to America against their will (although they had little choice since they could either starve or emigrate).
    You can disagree with me, but I won’t ‘STFU’ because just like you and Kap, I have the right to voice my opinion.
    Before you so quickly discount the suffering of others as insignificant in comparison to the black experience in America, perhaps you should be better informed.

  • Steeler4Ever

    diversity of what?

  • Steeler4Ever

    Inclusive of what?

  • nutty32

    lol – are you talking about the Congress that has an 11% approval rating? I doubt we the people sent Trump to Washington to opine about nfl HR policies. I thought at least he’d do more to “drain the swamp.” But nope. I’m disappointed.

  • Still Waters

    May I ask a question? Are links banned in the comment section? I posted a comment with a link and it is not being approved.

  • Gautam Ramani

    The Jags owner, who donated to Trump, locked hands with his players today in Europe. He apparently disagrees with the President too.

    Curious to see what our Steelers do today. And if they are anything like either the Jags or Ravens, how many fans will never come back.

    Tomlin seems to nail it 100% when relating to the players and these issues. Not the best X and O guy, but one who understands his team and its relationship to management. Let’s see.

  • Steeler4Ever

    Steeler fans please don’t jump on the inclusive- diversity bandwagon until you ask what diversity and what inclusion is being talked about? Diversity and inclusion is no better than segregation, if you don’t know what you are segregating, diversifying, or including.

  • John Noh

    Like many things in life, I think it depends on the individual. My sister-in-law and her six-year-old son visited recently and he couldn’t stop pulling on her ears and her tail. But our girl had the patience of Job and was gentle with him like the driven snow. However, if any feline or rodent crosses her path, the prey drive instincts kick in hard.

  • PwndHearts

    i did as well tried to link the wiki for the Rooney Rule and haven’t been OK-ed

  • Still Waters

    Thanks.

  • PwndHearts

    Apparently links are blocked, but maybe look up the Rooney Rule…

  • John Noh

    Sadly, it mostly means of identities but precious few little times it means of thought or points of view.

  • David Rittenhouse

    A man of limited words thoughts and inability to step out the box is just that

  • Still Waters

    Hello people. I decided a long time ago not to partipate in social media for reasons I won’t get into, but have been clearly highlighted in this thread. This will be the only comment I make on this subject so please don’t try to drag me into an argument.
    First off, I read the Depot daily and have done so for years. I’m a die hard Steeler fan from way back in the 70’s and appreciate the great content on this site as well as the comments. Before someone tries to accuse me of being insensitive or unpatriotic I think it’s important to state that I am multi-racial and a member of a family that is incredibly ethnically diverse. In addition to that, every generation of my family as far back as I am aware has had at least one member to serve in the armed forces, I did my own time in the 80’s. Please do not thank me for my service, I enlisted after watching way too many John Wayne movies, and because poverty is a b!tch.
    My take on this is simple. America as it is commonly believed to be, is a myth. Public education and main stream media are instruments of propaganda and indoctrination. The military does not exist to defend freedom, but rather to control and if need be destroy, those who will not comply with the desires of the greedy corporations who run politics and the worthless, vile, disgusting creatures who walk the halls of Congress and local legislatures.
    Professional sports are modern day Roman circuses designed to keep us distracted while our ruling elite take it to the azz of the world. 
    I gave up on all pro sports years ago, with the exception of the occasional Reds game which I attend in person when I can, and the Steelers of course. As soon as Steelers football becomes political, as much as the possibility saddens me, I suppose I will be done with it as well.
    Please consider the info linked below, it may provide some further insight into this divisive topic we are discussing here today.
    Thanks, GO STEELERS!!!!
    Apparently links are not allowed.
    Zero Hedge has an article up titled The Dangers of Patriotism, a good read for any who are interested.
    Whew! Is it game time yet?

  • O’Neal

    Not at all buddy. Your hypothetical situation doesn’t matter. The owners seem to be making their feelings public.

  • Steeler4Ever

    Example i dont accept diversity if it means I have to accept Sharia law in my community. I dont accept inclusion in my community if it means a man( could be a sexual predator) can use a womans bathroom. I do accept segregation if it means keeping violent terrorist out of our country.

  • O’Neal

    I think you are stupid if you let a couple guys kneeling bother you. Why mince words. Get some tissue and a gallon of ice cream and watch some lifetime movies.

  • David Rittenhouse

    i AGREE WITH YOU!! I WILL NOT WATCH AS I WATCH THE RATINGS GOING DOWN. … THE MONEY WILL COME OUT OF THE GAME THE OWNERS WILL REACT APPROPRIATELY TO CHASE THE DOLLARS…. AFTER ALL IT IS ALL ABOUT THE HOLY DOLLAR ….. THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY SAD….

  • PwndHearts

    “I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”
    ― James Baldwin

  • Still Waters

    Excellent comment.

  • O’Neal

    Vaya con dios

  • pittfan

    Thx, I’ll have to check it out. Steve Carrell is a hilarious guy

  • Steeler4Ever

    im disappointed in Congress not Trump

  • Steel Realist PAul

    It’s too bad you don’t comment more, if this is a sample of your thoughts. Thx for sharing SW.

  • pittfan

    +1

  • O’Neal

    I will be enjoying a football game at one, with zero thoughts about who kneeled and why. Cry your liberal tears away. Wink wink

  • Still Waters

    Thank you, I’m humbled by your praise

  • David Rittenhouse

    Never come to a gun fight armed with a knife….

  • PwndHearts

    Once again, links are blocked, but maybe look up the Rooney Rule…

  • PwndHearts

    J.Baldwin probably wasn’t great with blitz pick-up, but he was good with words and ideas.

  • RW

    Sounds like you’re a real winner there, Richard.

  • RW

    And yet the Irish have since assimilated into our culture, are widely accepted and don’t face ethnic discrimination. Black people still do, which is why this is a relevant conversation and yours isn’t. I grew up in rural white America with a family that had no money and one that lost their home a dozen years ago. I still managed to go on and get a Ph.D. in Engineering. I’m pretty f*ckin informed, bro.

  • Still Waters

    LOL. Baldwin and Sowell, thunder and lightning in the intellectual backfield.

  • O’Neal

    Good effort pal, you will get em next time. Then we will get an isa cream cone

  • walter

    I evacuated frim sw florida to se florida. Most people have electric here but i dont know any steeler fans to invite me to watch the game. I just wanna go home but the govt says its not safe to return

  • Rob

    You are so sadly mistaken. The poor are rich? And everyone is living fruitfully? People in Flint, Michigan don’t even have clean water, and it’s been like 2 years. I have a lot of issues with what you’ve said, but to turn this back to football and hopefully not let my response spiral out of control, please humor me:

    The Steelers team is a good team. Probably one of the best in the league. Do you say, “We are one of the best so we shouldn’t improve?” or are you happy and eager when they make move to shore up weak spots? America is a great country, but it is far from perfect, and I don’t ever want this country to feel like things can’t get any better because it needs to for a lot of people. And once you stop improving, you get worse.

    However, if somehow equality and equity are things that repulse you, then you are repulsed by the values this country was built on.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Then why use the flag/anthem as a focal point for the protest?

  • Rob

    Reportedly, the entire team will be staying inside the locker rooms for the duration of the anthem, which I fully support, along with any other protest that brings to light issues of police brutality and racial inequality in America.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    You guys do a wonderful job. This is obviously a ‘touchy’ subject!!!

  • Michael Conrad

    I understand what you’re saying and there have been wars and slaves since the beginning of time. I think the Japaneses bomb Pearl Harbor first.

    What we did to the Indians was wrong and still wrong how they are treated.

    Do you know black slaves were introduced to America because Indians refused to be slaves.

    Look we are a prejudice society world wide and people who say they don’t have prejudice’s are liars.Now how you treat people is up to you. We all need to get along and respect each other.

    Football players have the right to take a knee and free speech . I’m not mad . I just don’t think you do it because we have so much to be thankful for.

    I like all people and want us to get along but you know what this proves we try not to cause divisiveness but its there.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Actually it is still an expression of right, just an insulting one. Any person is basically allowed to say pretty much whatever they want. That is why you get so much unchecked hate speech and such on the internet. There really isn’t much there is to do about it. I don’t condone it but it is peoples right. So again I say that is one of the biggest issues we face. So many want to yell about free speech and then want to block free speech they don’t like or agree with. It doesn’t work that way. So yeah, you should have known better. Pretty self explanatory stuff here.

    And you can keep saying “it is easy to say” but it has nothing to do with that. It is simply about dealing in facts and truth. We continue to see the hypocrisy of people from every spectrum of life regardless of circumstance or upbringing. People have to be better than that.

  • Steeler4Ever

    well I didnt mean literately everyone, always exceptions to the rule.

  • NinjaMountie

    Again. You don’t have the right to tell anyone why they do anything. If you think you do, that’s a bigger problem than anything talked about on this board.
    I’m going to be honest, you completely offended me. I’m not easily offended, either. I don’t know your situation but if you had ever fought a war, and had to do the things that you do when you fight one, hearing someone say that you, “…did not fight in war for our freedom you fought in war to maintain power over a land where its people are policed like prisoners” will really get you riled. I don’t even really get offended for me. I can defend myself to these accusations. I get offended for the many people, some I know, that went over there for the right reasons and never got to come back.
    Still, you’re entitled to your opinion, as erroneous and naive as I think it may be. Have a nice day and enjoy the game.

  • Steeler4Ever

    but I stand by what I said. All you have to do is learn more about the rest of the world we live in

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I don’t know who you hang out with but almost everyone I know looks at the flag and thinks of soldiers. Yes it is about freedom and independence and who do you suppose it is protecting that? Our soldiers.

    I am not arguing they don’t have the right to protest I am only pointing out that it is a bad look because even if your intentions are pure there can be unintended disrespect and I have been right about from day 1. That is why the conversation has never even really turned to what Kaepernick was protesting.

  • Michael Conrad

    Ok on a football note the Ravens are getting smacked by the Jags 30 to 0 in the third quarter . A lot of players took a knee and locked hands.

  • nikki stephens

    Well if this is a way to avoid any team distraction or preventing the tv crew from talking about who did and did not show respect then, fine. Keep the focus on football. However, a shame that a low life like kapernick started a misguided and ill informed movement on the NFL’s time / dime. In addition, it’s a shame we had a lefty weak kneed, divisive commissioner who didn’t stop the junk from the beginning.

  • Steeler4Ever

    And we certainly are not improving as a nation with identity politics… aka collectivism/ the opposite of indivdual rights(thanks Obama). We have now a more split USA

  • Rob

    I agree this form of protest serves both of those functions.

    Your definition of a low life is distorted. Kap is someone who used his platform to bring focus to an issue that is constantly swept under the rug, or shoved in the basement. And now this is bigger than Kap as it always has been.

    Roger Goodell’s statement only stated the facts: It is undeniably the right of these players as citizens of this country to have freedom of speech, and the President of this country tried to silence them. This is not North Korea. You don’t silence opinions you don’t like. But the similarities between the two leaders is quite jarring.

    All these players want is an end to police brutality and attention brought to racial inequality. Why are you anti-equality?

  • Steeler4Ever

    Your comment on Michigan got me thinking. Why isnt FEMA responding to the water crisis in Michigan. They should I think.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Spot on with that last part. Goodell like most seemed to lack any sort of self awareness in his wording. The presidents wording WAS divisive, but the protests have been divisive as well so not sure what he was hoping to gain there.

  • pittfan

    It’s not about anti-equality. It’s about the propriety of using the National Anthem at an NFL game as your forum.

  • pittfan

    Love it.!!!!

  • Rob

    Kneeling is a silent act that doesn’t disturb the actual product of playing football. If players decided to kneel at 5:43 in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, than what you are saying would have some ground.

  • Jordan James

    You are super brainwashed and stupid, dude. There is no white privilege you stupid racist.

  • Steeler4Ever

    I think President Trump, purposely brought the protest back up, because the game announcers were not showing you the protest. He knows the NFL will lose viewership, because of this. Pretty smart I think. Like i said earlier, The Steelers will lose me, if anyone of our guys protest. Its a bogus protest to start with and simply unpatriotic.( a Lie). Keep shining a light Mr President

  • pittfan

    I think the time is the relevant issue and using that time is inappropriate. But I also believe Trump’s comment were ill-advised and inapproriate too.

  • Jordan James

    and you aren’t. The racist nonsense you vomit is pathetic. Quit blaming whitey for the behavior of blacks. You need to deal with the truth and I’m not your bro especially with how you think and act.

  • Rob

    I’m glad you asked:

    RACIAL MAKEUP: black, 57 percent; white, 37 percent; others, 6 percent (2nd highest in Amerca, 1st is NOLA and they are still recovering from Katrina 12 years later)
    RESIDENTS BELOW POVERTY LINE: 42 percent. (Also among the highest)

    Point that seems to be made a lot in America is that if you are poor and not white, your issues/complaints can be ignored

  • David Rittenhouse

    facts ignored so you are reduced to insults… run for office you’d make a fine politician

  • Michael Conrad

    I agree

  • Rob

    Well lets just say for arguments sake you wanted to take up Kap’s charge. What is the best platform you have to bring light to this subject? It’s definitely not handing out flyers at Walmart, yknow.

  • Michael Conrad

    Ravens are getting jacked 37 to 0 in the third quarter and now they are fighting such thugs. Maybe the Ravens should take a knee and leave the field.

  • Steeler4Ever

    I already have a back up plan its called soccer and i promise if you give it about 2 to 3 months you will be hooked. Dortmound a Bundisliga team in the German league has this amazing 18 year old American, who also plays on the USA National( opps i said National) team . FS1

  • pittfan

    That’s for sure. Walmart is a zoo. But I have no problem with anyone protesting police brutality. I think it is an issue that needs attention. I would pursue legal channels and political channels. That method would not draw negative attention to the cause as it has obviously done here. Further, if I was truly interested in getting to the root of the problem you’d also have to address many of the social issues that lead to confrontations between police and the populations.

  • Steeler4Ever

    And did I say it can get very physical.

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    just another reason to hate those thugs.

  • kjacksonpgh

    First of all Jaybird I hope your daughter fully recovers from her concussion and hopefully she will not have any more ill affects from it.
    Now let’s not kid ourselves about some obvious points here. The National Anthem has been protested years before CK ever took a knee, and any over the age of 50 or history buffs no it.

    Whether everyone agrees or disagrees the fact is that the freedom of protest and opinion is one of the privileges that we receive from having that freedom our country has fought for. Sports figures for years have protested many things and this is just another of recent events that CK and others have decided to address.

    Our current administration along with many of us should be more united with each other because it is the right thing to do. If many of us can sit together from many different backgrounds and unite as Steeler fans then we know it is possible to unite ourselves at any time some just choose not to do so.

    The President has bigger fish to fry then to concern himself of what NFL or any sports franchise or its player decide to protest or not. There are many different opinions on what we agree and disagree on, but maybe we can just agree to disagree.

    We can unite as fans and say Thanks to those vets and current men and women of many different backgrounds who fought for our freedom, privilege and protection that we receive. Those man and women who place their lives on the line to protect us every day.

    Thank You

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    new name getting ready for the inevitable I think. Never say never I guess

  • Rob

    Legal and political channels aren’t always the most direct unfortunately.
    Hopefully now with more attention, getting to a solution for those root issues can be the next step.

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    oh yea their crowd is crazy loud and supportive, and their colors yep black and yellow

  • pittfan

    They may not be the most direct but in the final analysis, they are the only ones that matter. At this point, IMO, all the focus is on the symptom, not the problem. Enjoy the game!

  • James Churchwell

    You played that right down the middle so I have to say job well done, and thanks for your service as well.

  • Hec

    If you don’t like anything I said, Oh well! That’s how I feel, and that’s how I think! These are my perspective and I will not conform to what you or anyone feel it’s my right or not my right to conform to. There is an internal war that we face today that cannot be fought with guns and weapons of mass destruction. The war we face today is greater than any war on the face of this planet. The war we been battling for thousands of years is a human rights war! I don’t expect you to understand because it’s like asking the wolf to put itself in the sheep’s’ place and see what’s life like through the eyes of the sheep!

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    who here thinks all those players holding hands and praying are God fearing Christians

  • Matthew Marczi

    I hope you get the all clear soon.

  • Matthew Marczi

    I think he valued principles over profits.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Believe it or not, but Batch doesn’t actually necessarily know what he’s talking about either. You DO NOT have to stand for the national anthem.

  • James Churchwell

    Everyone and everything didn’t come from The POTUS, who has the BIGGEST Pulpit on earth and represent the most powerful country on earth and an awesome responsibility comes with being The Most Powerful Man on earth. You and I can get away with things like that but he can’t and nor should he, his words and actions can have grave consequences for months or years to come that has the potential to affect our children, grandchildren, and even our great grandchildren and THAT’S what concerns me about what he says or do.

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    maybe, I just dont value any principle that is unpatriotic. Go Steelers

  • Matthew Marczi

    I wrote the article because I was asked to.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Was he? I know he campaigned for Obama.

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    or it could be FEMA rules prohibit water mismanagement?

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    im poor in your sense of the word. but very rich in mine

  • Steeler4EverIhope

    well words of wisdom. stop having babies before marriage finish school. I promise you wont be poor than

  • Rob

    Not sure what you mean by water mismanagement exactly, so definitely explain it to me..

    But FEMA did extend emergency service briefly in early 2016, but has since withdrawn any further assistance. I believe the last thing I saw showed that the state of Michigan paid more than FEMA for emergency supplies because of Gov. Snyder backdoor deals. But the fact remains that they are still without a basic need, and in situations like this (of which there are many) the symptoms that come of these communities can’t be expected to be positive

  • O’Neal

    Pot and kettle

  • James Churchwell

    REALLY!,are you serious?,,,if you say “would you like to see the owners fire these “Sons Of Bitches” then YOU are advocating for them to be fired, I wonder why people like to use the term “liberal” news stations.. then it hit me It’s because the only thing they listen to is fox news and right wing radio stations were the news is soooo unfair and unbalanced to bothsides of the issues, their agenda is to stir you to their way of seeing things… not the whole picture. (IMO).. I must put that disclaimer in here.

  • Hec

    The fact and truth of the matter is we will never see eye to eye or agree on this matter as long as the wolf remain in charge of the land of the sheep!

  • Matthew Marczi

    Evidently what qualifies as patriotism is up to personal interpretation.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    We don’t have to agree, just make sure you don’t deny facts. Such as what freedom of expression is.

  • Hec

    The fact and truth of the matter is we will never see eye to eye or agree on this matter!

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Again, we don’t have to. It is about the willingness to communicate and have the conversation while avoiding hypocisy and denying facts.

  • Hec

    I’m done with the politics….mad we lost the game today.

  • will

    LOL 😂😂😂

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Yes we have assimilated and it is a beautiful thing; hopefully like all other cultures, black culture will be assimilated as well (I see it especially in the arts where blacks have provided so much already.
    I guess my point is that it is NOT easy and the process is often painful. But to achieve all that your people can, it is unfortunately an unfortunate rite of passage.
    Like you my family consisted of a coal miner (no s**t!), a custodian, and two homemakers.
    I and my family are blessed to have so much now but (again) it is not easy, it takes GENERATIONS of effort and is often ugly to experience.
    So I say good for you that you have achieved what you have – and be sure you pass it on to YOUR kids because success in this country is built in the shoulder of those that come before us (unless you are Bill Gates or someone like that!!).

  • nikki stephens

    Again, no one is curtailing anyone’s rights on their time. Kap crowd has a problem with basic civil society and business in addition, private time vs employer time. No trump or pro-trump person have I seen call for a player on THEIR time taking the cause of police brutality/ injustice to be fired. Shame a commissioner can’t define the lines and exasperated the situation.

  • nikki stephens

    ding ding

  • nikki stephens

    it obviously does affect or is divisive hence, the endless time devoted to the subject for 18 months

  • nikki stephens

    You have proven you don’t – end of subject
    because links aren’t allowed by moderator go to nascar, usa today, national anthem, there you will find that nascar owners threaten termination of employees if they don’t respect the flag. Let’s see if they (fired employees) bring suit as violation of constitutional rights and let’s see if they win. I’ll bet, I have been right.

  • nikki stephens

    Equality is a term and lingo of socialist and communist countries. The United States was founded on personal freedom, power of the individual, and most importantly equal opportunity. It is alarming you are a citizen and have not been taught that.

  • Rob

    You have taken the time to search up every one of my comments and make statements and attacks at my character. I love this site, and won’t drag more political s discussion into it than necessary. Needless to say, however, I vehemently disagree with a lot of what you say. If you’d like to continue this discussion, and perhaps refrain from assuming what I have or haven’t been taught, I’d be glad to talk via email.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Yes assimilated.
    Well done on the PhD. That is the stuff that strong families are built on. One generation stands on the shoulders of their predecessors!
    You and I will have to agree to disagree on this discussion, but hopefully one day you will be sharing how you are happily assimilated as well.

  • nikki stephens

    There is a very good fair piece of journalism called :

    The Politicization of Everything at the WSJ for those who care (links cause one’s post to rarely be posted).

    But I will go further, the previous administrations starting with Clinton / conduct. He should of had the dignity to remove himself (or his party) from office. Instead, he and his allies attacked the rape/ assault victims and launched well funded media outlets to peddle lies. It polarized on a scale not seen since watergate. That success (saving the removal of Clinton) strengthened and encouraged the next ambush upon American unity – WMD. Not going to get into specifics but a large media funded propaganda campaign was to attack and divide the unified citizenry after 9/11. Those who had reservations at the time, fine. But the opposition party launched an attack on the president (even though a majority of their own side agreed and voted for war & world wide intelligence agencies backed the claims of WMD’s). This media success against Bush led to the most divisive president who wrapped himself in a cloak of invisibility by claiming anyone (and all his surrogates) who disagree with his policies are “racist”. Sure there were outliers who would say he’s muslim and stuff but his positions always polled low. Policies = low, public likeability = high….. He was a terribly divisive president.

    He consistently berated his opponents and perfected the use of the straw man. He encouraged and unleashed the typical non-political justice dept. on it’s fellow citizens and patriot groups. He used the IRS in a way that made Nixon look like a kindergartner. He took federal monetary penalties and sprinkled them to left wing causes that were intended for victims. His policies that belittled the blue collar man, the high school tradesmen, the energy sector workers, the coal, oil, gas industries, the worker who wanted 55 hours of work but had to have 2 jobs because a healthcare system reform was nothing but a redistribution of wealth. He disregarded peoples concerns with an army of Ivy league egg heads who never worked a hard day in the area they would be making sweeping government regulations on. Un-elected holier than thou brainiacs who affected the income, lives, safety, and communities of red state Americans! THESE people, your fellow citizens had enough.

    These Americans who had enough, swung the pendulum, the most opposite direction – Trump.

    Trump is the means by which the public trusted to provide common sense and order from the lawlessness of the last 8 years (all that was real and perceived). This is why when Tea party groups were harassed and THEIR constitutional rights were abridged maybe if your a kapernick kind of sympathizer – you should of cared. Maybe when policy disagreements were made- you shouldn’t of allowed the past president to just call them “angry white folks” or cast them as racists. Or when journalists were spied on (Rosen and Attkinson) – you should of called him out. Finally, when these “enemies” of the president were continually hounded by the IRS – you should of realized there will be a day when someone I don’t agree with is in 1600 Penn. Ave.

    Trump is the agent, at this time, to allow football fans a voice and perhaps a single finger to a dictator who has continually blurred the lines of punishable and non punishable behavior, has been unreliable and uneven in his penalties on players transgressions, and has used his commissioner position to bully states whose citizens do not want males, who claim to be females, in their bathrooms at stadiums across the country. He finds nothing divisive about a whole month of attention and decries a month of pink to promote an organization which aids planned parenthood. He forces and promotes women not based on merit but diversity. He champions that diversity from the offices, locations of games, to the sideline reporters.

    Which brings us to Kapernick….. he (Goodell) has allowed and blurred the lines of one segment of the game day ritual. A ritual which has been respected and carried out for decades. He wraps himself in false defenses like the NFL won’t deny anyone their constitutional rights when no one has said a player can’t protest or be active on THEIR TIME. So Trump speaks what many are thinking and all hell breaks loose in 12 hours. He is all most uniformally declared divisive but the original divisive cast (kapernick and company) are held out as possible social justice heroes and rarely questioned about their motives and rational. They are rarely criticized for hijacking the game day anthem as a means to advance their agenda and CREATE a DIVISIVE ATMOSPHERE. If you don’t trust me, google how many reports of the decisive trump come up vs the “divisive” google search for obama in September of 2016 when he said what many red state Americans deemed divisive on multiple occasions.

    Hopefully, this primer will help those who don’t get where “trump” is coming from or supporters frustration lies.

  • nikki stephens

    Rob, you gave me too much credit. Haven’t searched more than the following:

    if somehow equality and equity are things that repulse you, then you are repulsed by the values this country was built on.

    And I stand by the comment- It is alarming you are a citizen and have not been taught that.

    I appreciate the generous offer to speak via email. I would only hope you do finally realize that our country was founded on personal freedom, power of the individual, and most importantly equal opportunity. In addition, I would hope you read some of the Constitutions and charters of socialist and communist countries where your comment “values this country was built on” would fit in un-noticed.

  • nikki stephens

    One last point, actor James Woods, the Kapernick crowd isn’t respected for the simple reason they don’t know their own history. Great example today. Ravens kneel during American anthem yet, stand w/ respect for British anthem “God save the Queen” A government which never had a civil war to end the institution of slavery and profited much more in the slave and indentured servitud trade than America.

  • skisok

    Everyone has the right to protest. But everyone is also accountable for their actions and may pay a dear price. Many folks have been politically incorrect and have paid a price for that whether Fair or not. Kneeling during the playing of the national anthem is being politically incorrect and their are consequences for that.

  • Rob

    I know for a fact you’ve commented on each of my statements regarding the protest, but that’s neither here nor there. Unless you are willing to provide me an email address, here is my final word to you:

    This protest is not about an anthem. One which in itself is incredibly flawed. This is not about disrespecting the army, of whom after war, black soldiers returned to a home where they still had no rights to vote. This is about acknowledging issues of police brutality, and racial inequality. Your statement about my mention of racial equality was met with comparisons to Communism and Socialism, which as far as my education allows, I believe to be unrelated. This countries values should be what we hold high, not just the symbols that are to represent them. Imagine if all this outrage or disagreement you have towards these protests was put towards combatting instances of police brutality? Im hoping your education allows you to understand that even cops are capable of not performing perfectly, and given their position, probably would be better suited to performing less duties that involve life or death situations. Far too often, they are given paid leave and face 0 repercussions. What message does that send? It may be difficult to understand that race plays a part in this, but from my perspective, as a young black man, who has had the privilege to go to one of the best universities this country has at NYU, and not come into as many negative experiences with police as other minorities, that is the reality for many minority youths who, through no fault of their own, grow up in less than ideal situations. It truly pains me that people think the intent of this is to disrespect the army or veterans, especially since I have extended family serving. I believe it is unfair as well, since that has never been expressed as the intent. I don’t believe others should get to dictate the meaning of another’s protest for them. Moreso, if you agree with the cause, and are against instances of police brutality and racial inequality, have you been as vocal about it as you are in speaking out against this protest? Apologies for being long winded, but lastly, one side is upset because no one is held accountable for the numerous dead bodies left on the street because of the police sworn to protect them, and the other is upset because individuals are kneeling. It hasn’t been a very difficult decision for me to say the least.

  • Gary Johnson

    As a former Steeler fan. I feel the Steeler’s boycotted the National Anthem. Just because they have the right not to stand does not mean it is the right thing to do.

  • Jim

    NFL will be losing federal money and tons of money like people who actually buy high price tickets