Roethlisberger Has No Issue With Villanueva Taking Part In National Anthem

The Pittsburgh Steelers suffered an embarrassing road loss to the Chicago Bears on Sunday and several believe the team statement during the singing of the national anthem may have played a role in it.

During his post-game press conference following the loss, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was asked to explain what led to his team deciding to stay off the field during the pre-game singing of the national anthem.

“You know, by no means, no way shape or form, was there any disrespect intended towards our troops or people that serve this country,” Roethlisberger started. “We all have the up-most respect for them, obviously. They give us the freedom to play this game. Last night, obviously with all the issues going on, if you will, we had a players’ only meeting after the team meeting last night.

“We decided we were going to talk about what we were going to do because we knew some guys wanted to take a knee, guys wanted to stand. We said whatever we do, we need to make sure we are unified as one group because that’s what we’re about and that’s what it should be about is staying together as one unit, and one group, and one brotherhood, things like that. And so rather than having some guys kneel and some guys stand, the conclusion was made kind of by everybody that the best thing to do was to stay in locker room, or in the tunnel if you will, and show respect that way.”

While the team stood in the tunnel during the national anthem, tackle Alejandro Villanueva,, a former Army captain, stood outside of it with his hand over his heart and was very visible to the television cameras. Because of that, Roethlisberger was asked after the game if there was any problem with Villanueva doing what he did away from the rest of his teammates.

“No,” Roethlisberger replied.

While Roethlisberger apparently didn’t have an issue with Villanueva’s Sunday actions, it appears as though another well-respected veteran of the team, outside linebacker James Harrison, somewhat does.

“We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously. But, I guess we weren’t,” Harrison said after the game, according to Jacob Klinger of pennlive.com.

Roethlisberger was next asked if all the stuff that went on with the team Saturday night took away from Sunday’s game and what the team was trying to accomplish.

“Well, I’d probably be lying if I said no a little bit,” said Roethlisberger. “Obviously, there’s a lot going on in the state of the world, if you will, and in the state of sports and in NFL, but we can’t make excuses.

In the end, Roethlisberger took the blame for Sunday’s loss to the Bears.

“I need to play better football,” the quarterback said. “I’ll take this game on me. I didn’t play well enough. I missed too many throws, didn’t make good reads, whatever it was. Turned the ball over on a sack fumble. I can’t do that so this one’s on me. The good news is, if you will, its an NFC road game and it’s early in the season and I take the approach is all this means is that were not going to be undefeated.”

Roethlisberger was then asked if the Bears defense did anything in particular that wasnt expected.

“Nope, they lined up and kind of did some things, pretty much everything we expected them to do,” Roethlisberger said. “Obviously, you throw wrinkles here and there but we just need to execute. That’s them making plays, stopping us and I think I was just off today. For whatever reason, I didn’t make all the throws that I normally would and make the plays I normally should and that’s why I think we lost this game.”

  • #7

    Ben has no issue? He never has an issue with anybody, at least publicly. Why would he start with AV?

  • Steel B

    No one on the Steelers have taken a knee before, why start now?? For spite?? Just because the Prez had something to say about it? They all should have been out there standing.

  • Hodge175

    And why should he, I know he has earned the right to show the proper respect to the flag.

  • Kaynine

    If you are going to protest doing so while at work with an organization that is exempt from monopoly laws and while making millions of dollars problem is not a good start to protest. Especially when the median income for the rest of us is less than $52,000 per year.

  • PaeperCup

    AV is my hero.

  • pcantidote

    Well Ben, you certainly made the throw on the first play of the game. If Bryant makes that catch this game turns out dramatically different.

  • PaeperCup

    Great play call, set up perfectly, throw a tad and I mean a TAD long, but Martavis short armed it. Man last week he made a diving catch without a problem, this throw lacking a bit of effort. I’m with you, that play would change the course of the game.

    hey that reminds me of Wheaton dropping the pass in the endzone against the Eagles last year. Rememebr the ensuing panic after that loss?

  • Jeff Papiernik

    There it is….Ben basically admitted that all the political antics affected their play some. That’s the last straw. When it starts to become a distraction to your on-field play, it’s time to focus on that stuff on your own time.

  • Big White

    I can’t wait to get my hands on a wall size print. Iconic image that will stand the test of time, perhaps forever. Real men make stands when its not popular. Takes more character than the cockroaches who scurry for cover. I’d like to backhand slap the Rooneys for ever entertaining this fake phony controversy. Disgraceful.

  • walter

    How come no other player stood beside him?

  • walter

    I agree its disgusting

  • For all of you who may not know, The Titans and the Seahawks also stayed in the locker room for the anthem today. The Raiders would have as well, but since the night game has different rules they would have forfeited their choices at the start of the game and 2nd half as well as an unsportsmanlike penalty to start the game.

  • OCSteel

    I watch the Steelers for football, not politics or patriotism. I can get that in many other places. And their football was bad, and it’s nothing we haven’t seen before from this squad on away games with not-great teams. This has been going on for years, so don’t go blaming it on recent current events. I’m sorry that people are talking about Villanueva’s stance on the national anthem because what I care about is his football play, and it hasn’t been great this year. As far as Ben, I have heard that speech before after losses and I’d rather hear something new about his aging game — or why even when the team supposedly has this super offense, the defense is the last one on the field on a very hot day.

  • Jihn

    I just canceled my NFL ticket,if subscribe to it cancel it even if it’s for one week it’ll send a message they ask you why your cancelling!! If your a season ticket holder go in ten minutes late,it wouldn’t kill us to make a point.we do have power to show our displeasure and show the men and women of our armed forces that we have their back just like Villanueva did!!! He said screw you guys I’m going out!!! We can’t support a man like that!!!fir a weekend ten minutes of a game? Then we are spineless, pushovers!if your not gonna make some kind of statement then don’t complain

  • GravityWon

    It was definitely a distraction. Last night they were discussing how to approach the anthem and not the Bears.

  • Kick

    Employees don’t have rights if it hurts the bottom line.

  • John Noh

    Anyone find it more than a tad surreal that the criticism spotlight seems to be on AV, the one Steeler player standing respectfully for the national anthem? I mean, it’s downright bizarre how stupid this issue has gotten.

  • blackandgoldBullion

    Some crazy injuries to loads of team mates have often left Aaron Rodgers protected and throwing to a bunch of Joe Blow type guys. Yet he sometimes still pulls it off with Janis and Geronimo. Brilliant stuff and that why I consider him the best.

    Ben can make every throw but his timing throws need work and sometimes he is sailing them high as well. Even with all his weapons he does not get the best out of this offense. He is perfectly capable but cannot get it done. Some of these games should not even be close. I agree with Ben in this instance and many others, as he needs to be better.

  • Big White

    Yeah even the headline here sets the stage that AV did something marginally questionable.

  • Buzzina Bethie

    Steelers messed up, with the exception of one player. They need to get out of their gated neighborhoods more.

  • Lost in Pittsburgh

    Oh, how gracious of Ben not to have an “issue” with a bronze star army ranger respecting his flag, his country, and the soldiers he fought with. Hey Ben, instead of hiding like a rat in the tunnel, how about showing some solidarity with your veteran teammate? All of these other big-time quarterbacks, like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, stand in solidarity with their teammates who are protesting, putting a hand on their shoulder or linking arms with them, so why is Villanueva standing out there all by himself? Was it asking too much for one of you overpaid idiots to stand shoulder to shoulder with him and support him?

  • Jihn

    Email the steelers voice your displeasure about this mess!! But all we’ll do is complain and complain with no action!!theres plenty we can just like I stated below, but will anyone

  • Roberto Vaquero Bazán

    Wow Ben taking The blame on this one…….again, this has become a trend, a very anoying trend!

  • Michael Cunningham

    That image of AV will indeed become iconic
    To vets all around and to anyone who truly loves this country and what it stands for
    The fallout from this is only beginning ..

  • Hard Row

    So now standing for the anthem is being divisive?

    This is off the rails now.

  • PaeperCup

    interesting that night games have different rules.

  • PaeperCup

    I didn’t even think anything odd of it. It was pretty awesome.

    But honestly, the whole thing almost looked staged.

  • John Noh

    I did not truly grasp how honorable AV’s actions were until I got the full measure of what was going on today including the post-game comments where Coach T expressed displeasure about not getting “100 percent” participation.

  • Ralph Wagner

    Ben has bigger problems , like playing better football. Has he retired? He sure looks like he has. Come on man.

    Go Steelers

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Wish it could all just be about football again. Sounds like there may be a little bit of division with all of this. Tomlin wanted 100% participation and didn’t get it and Harrisons comments were similar.

    Interesting too that Tomlin said they had the convo but couldn’t come to a decision which lead to the lockerroom thing.

  • Applebite

    More was made of this than usual. And regardless of being there for the Anthem, they came out and played much the same as they did the last couple of weeks. That’s what everyone should be worried about. Still making too many mental mistakes, and not capitalizing on the other team’s mistakes. That’s how they lost this game, and nearly lost the last couple.

  • Nunya

    I actually had no problem with how the Steelers handled this and I even defended it today. But if players or their head coach had a problem with this vet showing respect to the flag, who fought for, and had fellow soldiers die for, then I have a serious problem with that. How freaking dare they! This is a different type of situation and if they can’t see that, then some Steelers and maybe their head coach have a serious problem.

  • Jihn

    How,by people complaining!!! On blogs? We need to hit them where it counts in their pockets!!!!!! Then and only then will they change things but until then just sit back and watch and listen to all the talking heads on the pre game shows on how great it is on the way their DISREPECTING the real heros of Thiis country!!!

  • Tom

    I am a Vet and I think the whole thing is overblown. I am slightly disappointed that the team decided to stay off the field during the anthem. I was also glad to see that Villanueva did what was right for him. For me, the flag and anthem have a special place in my heart and mind. I find any protest involving them to be somewhat bothersome. With social media and as many platforms as they have, I don’t think that it is particularly necessary to use the anthem as a time of protest. BUT…… truthfully, I place the majority of the blame squarely on the shoulders of the man in the oval office. His rhetoric and banter basically challenged the NFL and the players responded in such a way that should come as no surprise.

  • John Noh

    I feel the same way. Duty, Honor, Country, this was the motto AV lived by going through the US Military Academy. I applaud him for living up to that code over some contrived solidarity with his teammates. BTW, the whole point of the locker room gambit was to take politics out of this issue. But these post-game comments made it political and shameful.

  • Nunya

    Exactly! Apparently, it’s not about…whatever the hell it started about. Now it’s about being mad at the Prez.

  • Ike Evans

    Said stalin

  • Michael Conrad

    I will watch but from now on I will not be a live and die Steeler fan. I have always wanted the Steelers to win and lived and died with the Steelers like many of us Steelers fans have over the years but not now. They have diminished my enthusiasm.

    They have insulted my flag and country and insulted me by not standing with me.

  • Ike Evans

    They didn’t protest though. They did nothing

  • Big White

    Rush on AV Jerseys through the roof!

  • Big White

    Steelers Poison Well, Eventually Need Water From It

  • Don’t poke the badger

    As a veteran, Villanueva is only Steeler player who has my respect today and is the only reason I have not canceled my NFL Ticket. I’m also proud of Tomlin for keeping the team off the field for the national anthem when he knew the team would not be united. Wish the whole NFL would do the same. I watch football to escape poiitics and it pains me to watch the game I love destroyed before my eyes because of it.

  • Jason Vancil

    Couldn’t give a damn whether Ben has an issue with it. If he does, he can explain it to the ex-Ranger. Ben still has a little of that douchey-ness from earlier days.

  • Jason Vancil

    Yep. My thoughts exactly. I support the right of those who wish to kneel, perhaps even Ale would. He certainly fought for those rights. Ben needs to shut his fat head.

  • Matthew Marczi

    Roethlisberger was answering a specific question that he was asked about whether or not it was a problem that Villanueva was out on his own. He did not just outright come out with it out of the blue and say “I’m fine with what Villanueva did.

  • RMSteeler

    I guess Ben was just kidding in training camp when he said the reason he was missing receivers high and outside was to see what they were capable of catching? Ok, someone tell him and Haley that preseason is really over. Hahaha

  • Don’t poke the badger

    Just read Tomlin’s comments after the game. Totally disagree with what he said. Still think the NFL should go back to keeping teams off the field for national anthem. Company time. Do what you want outside company time. Also want to buy the picture of AV standing outside the tunnel to go with a purchase of his jersey. Unless things change, this will be my last jersey purchase.

  • Jihn

    First thank you for your service!! You can send a message just cancel it for a week, enough people do this and give the reason for your cancellation direct tv will up the nfls ass in no time!!but if we sit and bitch and do nothing,it’ll just get worse and the game we all know and love will b gone

  • Ni mo

    For what ? It’s not mandatory

  • Ni mo

    Facts

  • Ni mo

    Do u stand at home

  • Ni mo

    Ok I will watch the games for u them standing or not standing is going to keep me from watching football

  • Ni mo

    I agree

  • Ni mo

    For what just watch the game because sure none of u stand at home

  • Ni mo

    And they was at camp 😂😂

  • MAKB

    They did not stand. As a life long Steeler fan I say SHAME on them.

    I turned the game off after the anthem

  • Delboka

    Of course….the Steelers had to get involved in this crap.

  • MAKB

    I expect more from the Rooneys. Shame on them for this and shame on all but one of todays pbs

  • Black Gold

    I think the answer to that is obvious. The more salient question would be: why didn’t he stand in solidarity with the rest of his teammates?

  • MAKB

    I feel the same. When the steelers lost the SB to the CBows i was deployed oversees on a training mission. To hear the game I climbed 30 feet up a tree cteated a feild antanna and sat their in the rain living and dying on each play. Today, i shut the tv off before the game started. Not sure if or when, ill turn it on again.

  • Alan Tman

    You know when black people watch and listen to a country like the people who could care the less about us. That just view us as their entertainment. The article title says it all. Why in the hell would Ben have a problem with what AV78 did? You, even in the slanted narrative excluding blacks from the agenda that they set to achieve a the goal of stopping people like John Crawford being killed in Wal-Mart. Now what does Ben care about that agenda? Now I’m not saying your prejudice, but C’mon man if you’re going to write the article. Do the story properly. Changing the narrative on this whole Kaepernick stand is amazing. He said he has relatives who are police, in the service and he’s not trying to disrespect them. But still the revisionist say he’s disrespecting the military. Whoever has the pen tells the story, so it’s time to grab a pen.

  • SoCal Steeler

    I’m not only extremely disappointed in the Steelers once again playing down to an inferior opponent on the road ( it’s happened so often over the last few seasons that I do expect it every time now) but I am also disappointed that not one single member of the team stood in solidarity with Villanueva.
    As a veteran myself and the father of a marine I expect people to show respect during the National Anthem. To us it has nothing to do with politics but rather it is a tribute to the veterans and civilians who fought and gave their service and in many cases, their lives to obtain and preserve freedom for this country.
    I’d be the first to admit that we have a lot of problems in this country but please find another way to protest and not disrespect and dishonor our veterans. And please get back to playing the Steelers football that we expect, respect and enjoy.

  • Ike Evans

    You don’t know what they did or did not do because, outside of big Al, didn’t come out of the tunnel. Are you ashamed of other ppl in the stadium or ppl at home watching on TV but not standing? Lol they didn’t protest

  • Richard Edlin

    Really? It looks to me like those who didn’t take the field at anthem time are the ones being called “cockroaches”, etc. Clearly, it’s not popular and is exactly the sort of stand a “real man” would make (in the terms you define it).

    Are you sure that it’s not that you’re butt-sore that some people think that there’s more to life than a piece of linen (and all the good and bad it stands for)?

  • Richard Edlin

    I think he gets a pass given his own history. James Harrison isn’t necessarily the only one asking questions.

  • Richard Edlin

    There is very little that he could have done but handle it in the way that he did.

  • Richard Edlin

    The Steelers probably had an agreement about doing things together before now and it’s clear that your president’s views changed things for a lot of the NFL teams. Even Robert Kraft criticised Trump …

  • Darth Blount 47

    The biggest takeaway here is once again the football aspect. The Villaneuva angle, in a micro sense, really doesn’t matter. Even when you consider his actions, and the facts of his background. It’s a neat little side-story, but really not ground-shaking.

    What IS important, pertinent, and worthy of discussion, is how division is sown within a locker room, whether that be for some bizarrely mundane reason, or because of some nefariously infestable hot button current affair. This is what I assumed, somehow, and perhaps naively, that the Steelers would naturally be shielded from. I was apparently wrong, and am deeply saddened that we of all “teams” couldn’t stand or rise above the fray.

    The idea that after a “Player’s only meeting,” where in theory the issue sounded at least agreed upon by those involved, someone would choose to step outside of the brotherhood, is what scares me most. Not because I somehow agree or disagree with an individual wanting to express themselves, but because of the divisive choice of purposefully choosing THAT time in particular, as a means of taking advantage of a scolding hot platform. As I am sure that if the report was true, some of the people wanted to do one thing and some others wanted to do another, and for the sake of the “team,” a gentleman’s agreement was reached to show solidarity in the form of acknowledging INTERNALLY that there was individual difference and expression, but EXTERNALLY try to war paint a different face. A face of unity in contrast to other appearances.

    And for some reason, this failed. Miserably. And that is why I had an issue with what Coach Tomlin had to say after the game. I sadly think it is a fair question now… “Does he truly have a firm grip over this locker room?”

    I’m largely one to EVER bring this up as a way to critique, but it IS a fair question to add as an addendum… “What Would Bill Cowher Have Done?”

    Lastly, if this is indeed a fractious locker room, whether FOR the mundane or for the current issues, this is simply not, not good. This year was supposed to be played with the constant thought of the fallen Dan Rooney. Honoring him and thinking of him and banding together as an organization, closing ranks, mourning and celebrating his life, but always with he in the back of the mind. A way to up our games and achieve ultimate glory, for the fans, the city, and the Steeler Family, as we play each week with a heavy heart but a focused mind. I’m desperately hoping that this locker room still remembers that. And realizes that any amount of distraction from the goal, will lead to days like today, where the Chicago Bears can inexcusably take our lunch money and laugh at us while doing it. Those of us out here in Steeler Nation need to pull together, just like those in that locker room MUST now do.

    For a house, divided against itself, cannot stand.

  • nutty32

    As long as Villy believed his mates were cool with what he did even if he’s mistaken (& it sounds like he wasn’t based on what his teammates said) that’s all that matters & he wasn’t breaking ranks, there’s no intent. Who cares what Harrison thought.

  • Sdale

    Well, the bottom line is that none of the owners so far have stopped it. According to court rulings, employers do have that right, but the owners haven’t exercised it. So, until they do choose to stop it, the players have the right to do it. Those watching that feel more strongly about what the flag represents than what the NFL represents have every right to stop watching. Both sides, according to the first amendment, have that right.

  • Sdale

    No one has any right to ask him to not participate if he wants to be out there except his employer (right or wrong). If they want to talk about some kind of “team unity”, but then want to force a guy that really put his ass on the line, then they don’t really care about what this guy went through. I guarantee you the brotherhood he formed with the guys he served with far outweighs the “team unity” he has or needs to have on an NFL team.

  • J K

    Because the man has his priorities straight and he loves his country more than he loves his team, AS IT SHOULD BE. The man is a retired Army Ranger Captain. Who the hell do they think they are to demand that he disrespect the flag for which he put his life on the line? He is a better man than anyone else on that team, not only because he respected his country’s moment of reflection, but because he FOUGHT for it! They should have stood in solidarity with HIM.

  • Matthew Marczi

    So many times I see people complaining about things players say when they were asked questions, as though they’re supposed to just stand there and ignore the question. And then if they do that they get criticized for not answering questions.

  • Sdale

    I think what Lost is saying is more in response to the person even asking the question. Stupid question to ask Ben as far as I’m concerned, but every moron in the media has to wring every last drop of bs out of this overblown story.

  • CAbornSteeler

    The honoring of this country that your neighbors have died to protect is so very far above any desire to express your disgust with small unaffiliated pockets of people throughout and within the country regardless of the reason. If strong disagreement with attitudes and behaviors of some people in this country is grounds for what took place today, then why ever have a national anthem anywhere. This nation will always have some division as it always has. Thankfully in the past the majority of this country has been faithful and God fearing with hearts of gratitude. Many died for people of all colors and opinions, even for pacifists. If you can’t respect that, LEAVE! Should our sons die for you? No!, but they will and are. These players can go play in Canada. They don’t deserve what this country brings. I’m obviously extremely disappointed as a 51 year old Steeler fan for 41 years owning every Steelers Digest since 1980. This generation would do very well in France and Canada. Good riddance.

  • CAbornSteeler

    Ike, I’m afraid you’re an obscurantist

  • DAWAARE

    plz end this protest circus.
    Steelers players coach and players should have issue with their own play on the road.
    Supposedly greatest offense in the league has been a major disappointment so far
    and Ben kinda reminds me of peyton manning during his last season(BAAAD)

  • Mark

    Thank you Villanueva

  • Mark

    F#*k Harrison.

  • Mark

    Tomlin said the “effort” was 100%. Obviously, the real American thought otherwise… Sorry, not sorry Harrison you bag of scum. Enjoy your American made dollars

  • Mark

    I’m taking my veteran father’s Harrison jersey and burning it.

  • Rick McClelland

    Captain Villanueva showed the utmost respect for his country and brothers in arms around the world. Player protests using the national anthem and flag are doing nothing but inflaming the situation. I think the country as a whole and the players themselves would be much better off taking 15 minutes in the center of the field after the game with both teams participating and media everywhere to bring their cause to the forefront. Refuse to talk about the game and talk about the national issues.

  • Mark

    The Steelers organization is a disgrace to the country. I am mailing every bit of of merchandise I own directly to the Rooney’s. No refund necessary. I’ll take the loss to be rid of it. Patriots stood…..

  • Mark

    Amongst his team, he is a “villan”. Not to us. He is my hero.

  • Mark

    Villaneuvo stands. Any other bs dissapears.

  • Mark

    Rooney’s….?..

  • Mark

    If Haley somehow manages a Superbowl winning offense, I’ll eat cat turd. Steelers golf coach won’t do it. Nor will Tomlin win another.

  • Mark

    Amen. I’ll become a Steelers fan again after the Tomlin regime is gone…until then, Villaneuvo is my (and a REAL) American hero.

  • steelmann58

    I don’t get this why should Ben have any issue because AV an American hero did what he believed and I feel the right thing to do

  • steelmann58

    I agree never embarrassed more about my team

  • steelmann58

    Ryant did not go out full on that play

  • steelmann58

    That a cop out imo they have done this over and over so this excuse is bs

  • steelmann58

    I agree so embarrassed by the action of this team and I appulade AV

  • steelmann58

    That bull the Steelers history of losing to inferior teams look at the history just gives Tomlin an excuse

  • steelmann58

    It was a total joke and I hope the fans see that and do what necessary

  • steelmann58

    He earned more than any other player on this team and his teammates showed their lack of respect for him

  • Mark

    F*&k libsh!ts. These people cannot comprehende life. Daddy, mommy, insecurity. There is the trifecta of liberal problems wit the USA. I wish they were not born. Which is funny, because the wish they were not born as well.

  • Mark

    I’m kneeling for liberal mental illness.

  • kakello34

    The sight of a war veteran standing all by himself is really getting to me after some thought since yesterday. Calling NFL ticket to cancel today. This is more about sticking it to Trump to MANY on the left than it is about police brutality; and if you deny that you’re lying.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Its time to stop watching the NFL.

  • will

    If Ben hadn’t any guts and leadership……he, of all teammates, should have been standing with his 0L AV!!

  • will

    He had an issue with Bell missing OTAs and training camp.

  • Delboka

    No, I’m talking about the players. Now this bs is surrounding the team. Just stick with football.

  • will

    Rooneys are BIG left wingers politically.

  • Delboka

    I have an issue with Ben’s fat head that makes his helmet look like one of the 25 cent crank toys.

  • will

    You just do not understand and it would appear that you were never in the military.

  • will

    Yes they was!

  • will

    Agree….and whomever asked HARRISON his opinion, was just trying to stir up controversy.

  • will

    Rooneys are left wingers politically.

  • Paddy

    Tomlin will probably fine AV, for disobeying orders.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’d just ring check him to death.

  • Bradys_Dad

    In this matter, AV shouldn’t give a darn what anyone else thinks. Period. Move on.

  • NinjaMountie

    Dealing with this issue is a personal choice. We don’t have to agree with what people do all the time and people don’t have to fall in line and be sheep, either.
    I’m a Vet and I stand with AV. However, I’m not going to hate a person because they decide to take a knee for the NA in protest. I’m not going to want them fired and I’m definitely not going to quit being the fan of a whole team because I disagree with some of the players.
    This issue has truly become the proverbial mountain from a mole hill.

  • NinjaMountie

    Yea, how about that. Learn something new every day. lol

  • NinjaMountie

    Some things trump team solidarity. I don’t care what a team vote is, I’m not going to do something that I find morally wrong. I’d be willing to bet that this was AV’s situation.

  • John

    For all the people out there who are “done with that team” or whatever I will gladly take any Steelers merchandise off your hands. If you are a true american you would get rid of any signed jerseys of players who “disrespected the troops”. Again give them to me.

  • John

    I’ll take any Steelers stuff you have.

  • John

    It’s a song. Need I remind you that burning the American flag is free speech?

  • SmellyHobo

    So they said, as a team, they came to the conclusion to stay in the locker room. But no one asked the Bronze Star winning Army Ranger what he thought? Sounds like the same amount of detail went into that protest as it did the game plan.

  • NinjaMountie

    This is just belittling another’s feelings about that song. While it may mean nothing to you (and that’s your right) that doesn’t mean that it isn’t much more important to other people.
    For me, I would have felt morally wrong to go along with the team.

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

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    academic who focuses on economics – decided to examine whether the
    nation’s police officers were killing black Americans more so than
    whites. When he launched the study, he fully expected to find a clear
    pattern of unjustified violence.
    Fryer looked at four national databases of crime
    statistics representing police-civilian confrontations from diverse
    states like Florida, Texas, and California. After rigorous analysis, it
    turned out that he, Kaepernik and Black Lives Matter were all wrong

  • John

    It’s a football game. The moral outrage over this is ridiculous.

  • NinjaMountie

    The moral outrage isn’t over the football game. Still, I mostly agree with the point you were making.
    I just think people should do what the feel is right and others shouldn’t be so judgmental….on both sides.

  • Jaybird

    I’m with you on that man. I work in the medical field and treat everyone with respect – black, white, conservative or liberal. There’s 320 million people in this country , we can’t all be in agreement on every issue. I personally stand for the anthem, but it doesn’t really bother me if people don’t. It’s just not worth being angry or hateful over something like kneeling in protest.
    I’ll never stop watching the Steelers and I gotta say as bad as we played , I actually enjoyed this game more than most. I watched the game with one of my daughters laying with her head on my lap while I rubbed her head , and my Bullmastiff laying on my other side and petting his head with my other hand. All while watching the Pittsburgh Steelers. That’s what it’s all about man! Kids , dogs, and Football!

  • John

    Here, here! Advocating for universal healthcare is madness!

  • NinjaMountie

    Exactly! We all need to stop fighting so much.
    You need to put food on your list, too. Gotta have food for the football game.

  • GravityWon

    They have a history of losing focus against weaker opponents and this is just the latest distraction that they allowed to take precedence over winning.

  • Ken

    It is an oxymoron to protest during the national anthem. They say it wasn’t a protest, but if your not standing up to the flag that gives you all the rights, your protesting. So embarrassed I’m a Steeler fan today. was glad they lost.

  • pittsburghjoe

    You can find it in the dumpster. Enjoy your day retrieving anything you wish.

  • pittsburghjoe

    It’s not about rings anymore.

  • Conserv_58

    I am so sick and tired of seeing the NFL not only allowing players to use games to voice their political views, but they encourage it. I know that the vast majority of people watch sports as a means to escape the relentless politicization of our every day lives. So far this season the NFL has seen a significant drop in viewership. Apparently, Goodell and the owners don’t care that more and more fans are tired of the politics and have decided to not watch the games because of it.

    Goodell’s job is to fill the pockets of the share holders, TV revenues are tanking, yet the owners are going to give Goodell a contract extension. Lunacy prevails.

  • Daniel Pagan

    I am also a army vet of 10 years. But I don’t support the idea of sitting out . As a team the NFL must realize this is bigger then trump. After what happen this month to Texas Florida and Puerto Rico and everything this country fought for it was a huge mistake to sit it out. They represent the people and this was a poor choice as a team to make. After a they don’t live paycheck to paycheck like most Americans. They didn’t want no part but now they are part of it

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    Trump has taken the side of the flag and provoked multi-millionaire
    athletes into opposing patriotism. When several players for the New
    England Patriots took a knee during the anthem on Sunday, their own fans
    booed them

  • Conserv_58

    Perceptions are everything. The Steelers’ players were attempting to remain neutral, but in the minds of the fans, seeing only AV standing on the sideline during the national anthem, had the inverse affect.

  • eric

    it’s amazing that people take this so personally, regardless of what side you’re on. Unless you get your ass off of your couch during the anthem any time you see it from home, shut the hell up.

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    they disrespected the flag and the United States Of America. A country that gave them the privilege, to capitalize on their talents

  • Conserv_58

    Trump didn’t do anything that the protestors didn’t already intend to do and have been doing. As our president he does have his right to his opinion as do the protestors.

  • francesco

    I am curious to know which player wanted to take a knee?

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    says Untied States capitalism, these players are employees who have an employer, who has the right to fire anyone who tarnishes his or her brand.

  • Steel B

    If you don’t you are not exempt from consequences.

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    Dave why would anyone have an issue with standing during our National Anthem?

  • Nicholas

    I am truly embarrassed by the Steelers players and coaches, not only because of their inept playing in Chicago yesterday, but by their total disregard for the symbolism of our great American anthem. Many people have paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom and we owe them as Americans, the highest honors and respect, not shame and derision. Surely, we can all agree that we don’t live in a perfect Utopic society, but does that give every group the right to use the NFL as a platform for social upheaval and change?Similarly, should the freedom of expression towards shining the light of scrutiny on social issues and injustices be defended at a football game or other sporting event? Do you have that same freedom of speech to yell “FIRE” in a crowded movie theater?
    Seemingly, the issue (which started LAST YEAR with Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to honor our anthem) came to a head when our POTUS chimed in and recommended that players disrespecting the anthem should be fired. Call him what you like, agree with him or disagree with him, but one thing you can say about President Trump: he does have an uncanny knack for thrusting issues into the limelight. Quite frankly, I agree with him 100%. If you want to protest, do so on YOUR OWN TIME, not on the time we all are there to watch football- a game, first and, lest we not forget, a multi-billion dollar business. Players and coaches are merely a part of that business.With the NFL so image-conscious with regards to drug (substance) abuse, concussion prevention, personal conduct policy and sports gambling, I am quite disheartened that the owners of all NFL franchises have not already issued a league-wide policy prohibiting such displays of disrespect. And, I call on you devoted fans of sports, is this the type of behavior you would condone and teach our children? Some actually have, as unbelievable as that may sound. Were we not just insulted with the news of a group of 8 year-old footballers who decided to “take a knee” during the national anthem? This should be the impetus for everyone (the Rooney’s included) to take the moral high ground and demand a separation between politics, sports and love of country.

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    true, im just saying Trump purposely started this, knowing he has the flag on his side. This is a war the NFL will lose

  • Phil Brenneman II

    As long as posters like you keep ignoring it, I will keep bringing it up. There is something in life called “unintended consequences”. The basic idea or definition is this:

    “unintended consequences are outcomes that are not the ones foreseen and intended by a purposeful action”

    Now before we talk Kaepernick lets use a better day to day example. Lets say you have 2 kids and decide to randomly get one a gift because you want to make them happy. Your intention is to make your kid happy and the unintended consequence is that you make the other kid jealous or unhappy because they feel left out. You didn’t mean to hurt the kids feeling but that ultimately doesn’t change the outcome or the fact that you did hurt their feelings.

    Now lets look at the Kaepernick situation. His intention was to bring attention to the topic of police brutality and injustice in America. The problem was that the timing he chose is a time of unity when millions of people come together to show respect to our country and the rights it offers and even moreso to the men and women who fight to protect those rights. So while his intentions were good, the unintended consquences of his actions were that he disrespected the members of our military. It doesn’t matter whether he meant to do it because he still did it. I have heard Kaepernick speak and he doesn’t seem like a dumb dude so it is odd to me he didn’t have this figured out when he chose to protest during the anthem.

    So nobody is changing the narrative or trying to re-write history. It has been the narrative from the beginning and it is part of the history of what he did. You basically blame others because Kaepernick chose a poor platform to make his stand. His motives are good and he has every right to make that stand and I think most level headed people understand that. However, that doesn’t mean everyone has to ignore the other side of it (our military members) especially if they feel disrespected. There are 2 sides to every coin and too many people like you get caught up in only considering the feelings of the one. And as you fairly point out, there are a lot of people who don’t consider the feelings of those who feel strongly about the issue of police and their relationship with black people in America.

    And truth be told there is nothing to debate here and we can see with the amount of coverage that Kaepernick made the wrong choice. There are tons of stories about should Kaepernick have a job, what do you think of the players protesting, what Trump said about players protesting, what fans think about players protesting, and almost none about what this means in relation to police brutality and injustice.

    Kaepernick has the freedom of speech and expression to choose his platform and voice his concerns just as everyone else has the freedom and expression to respond with how they feel about it.

  • Ike Evans

    This is America….unions exist…court systems exist….go to Cuba with that communist rhetoric….you don’t even know the difference lol

  • francesco

    I can only see one solution going forward. Remove the national anthem in all sporting events since there is no correlation between love of country and love of the game.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Yeah that may very well be the only way to go. Just have to wonder if there is a contract with the military and how long it is good for. If I’m not mistaken the reason this happens in the first place is because the military pays the NFL so it would come down to the contract and possible refunds to the military and what not.

  • Ike Evans

    Perception is not fact so it’s not everything in this case….that’s what’s wrong with this country now…slipping into darkness because ppl don’t care about facts or logic or reason…only feeding their pre-conceived beliefs with more perception from ppl who think just like them…it’s stupid…….the FACT is. They didn’t protest. No matter what your OPINION of what happened behind closed doors is…..the fact remains…beyond your personal feelings and leanings

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    BURN AND BOYCOTT! Patriotic NFL Fan Torches All His Steelers Gear, Boycotts League: “We Stand for This Country!” Amen brother

  • Steeler4EverNoMore

    Robert Williams: We have morals in this country. We stand for this country.
    My great uncle’s bones are lying in the bottom of Pearl Harbor. For
    this country. For the flag. For your freedom to play in the NFL and to
    say whatever you want to say. But you do not disrespect the flag and the
    country and the Constitution… So watch this stuff burn. He was a die hard Steeler fan like me

  • The Big Cheese

    26 years in the Air Force. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. My oath was to defend the Constitution. The First Amendment is first for a reason. I’d have stood with AV for the anthem, had the opportunity been there. But I also respect and defend the rest of the team’s right to make their choice. No tweets. No threats. No sonsabitches name calling. If you guys need to bitch, boycott, do whatever, I support that too. When it gets down to it, The Donald exercised his 1st Amendment right. Don’t like it, but hey. Vent, so it doesn’t fester. During my lifetime, I’ve protected those who burn the flag. Remember it well. Not because I supported them, because they had a right to free speech, and the Supreme Court determined flag burning was an expression of that right. The President should be the one setting the example and explaining the 1st Amendment. The Steelers assembled peacefully and made their statement peacefully, out of sight. I stand with them, as I stand with Allejandro. By the wlay, as he’s Hispanic. AV clearly knows Trump’s rantings in that area, yet he still stood for the anthem. Defend that right to the death. Bet AV would say the same.

  • It’s the only game that actually shows the coin toss on TV, that’s why they would have been penalized for missing it.

  • Alan Tman

    If that were true someone would finally address the issues he is trying to deal with. It’s a reason to put your proverbial heads in the sand.

  • Hodge175

    Yea I don’t stand at home, yet I have served 20yrs in the Infantry and I find it offensive when people disrespect the flag and talk to take a knee during the singing of our National Anthem. So you telling me to shut the hell up?

  • Zhan 使美国再次伟大

    Awfully decent of Roethlisberger to give Villanueva his imprimatur.

    Yeah, what a prince Ben is.

    I’ve had it with the Steelers and the NFL. They are the ones who have been politicizing the situation for years, not Trump.

    Buh-bye…

  • eric

    First and foremost thank you got your service. But on the flip side if it is THAT important to you, stand at home. Practice what you preach and fight for. You don’t find it disrespectful when you sit at home? You have that choice and freedom to choose to sit or stand, you of all people should be on your feet bc that’s what you fought for. And I’m not trying to be a jerk, but why don’t you stand then?

  • Av232

    Show up at the game ten minutes late? So you’re saying don’t take to the stands for the anthem?

    That’ll show ’em…

  • Steelerbob

    What bothers me most is seeing AV standing there alone, especially after all he has done for this country. I realize that anyone has a right to protest. It especially bothers me that Ben was not standing by his side. AV has protected Ben’s life off the field in service and is charged with protecting his “football life” on the field. QBs always have their OL’s back it just bothered me that at least Ben wasnt out there standing beside (as well as any other teammate). None of them are obligated to do that, i understand that, but i just cant believe no one else stepped out with them. Ive also heard that they maybe didnt know that was going to happen, but first it find it hard to believe they expected him to not do it and second, once it did, i wouldve expected someone to step out after they saw him do it. Guys like AV are also the ones who go out of their way to protect the protester’s rights as Americans, just a shame no on stood with him.

  • SmellyHobo

    Christ, this thread reads like a transcript from my family reunion in Fayette County.

  • mike d

    They dishonored the flag, If these people want a real protest then pool your millions of dollars and make a commercial. Dishonoring our flag will never get people to see things your way. The Steelers are going to pay dearly for their disrespect.

  • Steelerbob

    All you ever get when you try to straddle the fence on decisions is trouble. There is great wisdom in the words of Miyagi.

    Miyagi: Walk on road, hm? Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later get squish just like grape. Here, karate, same thing. Either you karate do “yes” or karate do “no.” You karate do “guess so,” [makes squish gesture] just like grape.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Now THATs a great idea!!
    What if 100% of the FANS didnt go into the stadium until AFTER the anthem?!
    Very obvious and dramatic display. But it behaved the question… If a protest happens in a
    stadium devoid of fans, does it make a sound?
    😎

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Xactly. Brilliant!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    DUDE!! It’s the NFL – they didn’t even have rules in place on inflation of the ball til it blew back in heir faces!!!
    And don’t even get me started in God-ell’s disciplinary ‘process’ (AKA his office dartboard!!)!!!!

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    The Rooneys did not do it, the players did.
    We can blame the Rooneys if it happens again!!!!

  • pittfan

    BIg difference between sitting I now the privacy of your home and doing so in front of 60,000 people on national TV as an overt act of disrespect.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    Personally I think Bell’s selfish hold out has hurt us more than anyone would think.
    This is a TEAM game, and his absence from preseason training (such as it is given the CBA hitting limitations) has clearly affected the O’s functionality.
    It doesn’t help that’s only one of the killer Bs is actually, well, killing it.

  • Hodge175

    Yea I don’t practice what I preach, I guess I should have saluted my father flag draped over his casket because I don’t stand at home. I don’t stand for taps when I am doors it by your logic I should. By your warped logic if I don’t do it at home then I shouldn’t be upset when people do it in front of me.

  • Hodge175

    Shouldn’t have

  • Phil Brenneman II

    I posted a lot there so not sure which point specifically you are referring to.

  • tcirish53@gmail.com

    TO ALL STEELERS NATION.
    I suggest that by steering the conversation away from football and towards these protests, we are missing the purpose of this excellent site.
    Despite our viewpoints on these protests and the reason behind them, this is a FOOTBALL site. As one commenter below points out, there are MANY other sites dedicated to politics.

    So I am personally committing to the following:
    1. I will not READ any other articles posted here re the protests
    2. If someone tries to bait me into saying something POLITICAL I will NOT reply to their comments.
    We all come to this site to read/discuss FOOTBALL. Not POLITICS or RACE RELATIONS.
    I get that in the news on TV or via news feeds on my phone.
    I thank you in advance for allowing me to use my freedom of speech in posting this.

  • eric

    Yeah and my grandfather’s flag in on the mantle at my parents house but I don’t use it as a tool for agenda. And that’s exactly what I’m saying, you are that insulted by people expressing their freedoms, what exactly did you fight for? If it means so much to you, stand at home, don’t pick and choose when to fight the battle. Is kneeling the best way for them to go about it, not in the least…. But it’s a right you gave them.

  • eric

    There is NO difference. It’s your right to choose. You’re telling these players that the are disrespecting the flag bc they aren’t standing, but hey if no one sees me sitting it’s ok. So if I murder someone and no one sees it, it’s all good but if I do it in a crowd of people only then should I be punished.

  • Peki

    Fine with AV standing. Fine with anyone kneeling, sitting, or staying in the locker room.

    Every flag is a political symbol, and the politics of that symbol will mean different things to different people. Don’t want to have politics in your sport? Take the flags, jets, and troops out of sport. Like it or not, these are instruments of politics and you can’t expect everyone to share your politics or behave as you would.

  • Ed Smith

    I respect your 1st Amendment right to post your thoughts. Whether you like it or not, since football is part of our culture and the cultural collapse we are seeing is being manifested in our beloved sport, these conversations cannot be compartmentalized. That is one of our cultural problems – our “leaders” try to divide us into this group and that group rather than talk about us as AMERICANS, with a common history, culture and values. One can protest without being disrespectful. Too many in this country either have forgotten what it takes to maintain freedom or I am not sure they even know what real freedom is after decades and decades of being told in the media, in our schools and by ignorant people like Colin K that America is a fundamentally bad, evil, unfair, etc. country. IF that were the case, WHY would so many from around the world: the Americas, Asia, Africa and even Europe continually want to come to the US. THAT is what is not discussed, but that is the REALITY that is being ignored. Does this country have problems, yes of course. They all do. However this is the BEST place on planet Earth to live and live free. Freedom does not guarantee the same outcome for everyone, just the same opportunity based on how hard we work and how we use our abilities.
    The real protest in this country should be against those who continue to divide us, not unite us around our common heritage.

  • Joe Clovis

    Just read an article where Tomlin “rapped” AV for standing for our National Anthem. I’ve lost all respect for that POS Tomlin. He’s nothing but a hoodrat from the same neighborhood from the VA Beach area as Mike Vick. Who in the hell is he to tell a AV, a West Point Grad, Bronze Star recipient Ranger with three tours in Afghanistan behind him, that he can’t stand for the National Anthem? Screw Tomlin! Tomlin’s not fit to hold AV’s dirty jock strap when it comes to doing what’s right by this country. Tomlin needs to go back to hanging out at the dog fights in his old neighborhood with all of his old homies. It’s where he belongs.

  • pittfan

    Again, bad analogy.

  • Ed Smith

    Sorry but that is where you are wrong my friend. The flag is not a POLITICAL symbol, as far too many continue to perpetuate, rather it is a CULTURAL symbol of our heritage, our common values as Americans and what we are supposed to stand for – freedom. Politics is a separate.

  • Peki

    To rebut, I will simply point to the ongoing controversy.

  • Joe Clovis

    Don’t try to argue whats right and wrong with these liberals JK. These are the same people who get their rocks off watching the American flag burn. They have no duty. No honor for God and country. They’ll never understand the word “honor” as AV and other real Americans understand it.

  • Peki

    Virulently ad hominem

  • Joe Clovis

    Nice kids. Who’s their real daddy?

  • Chad H

    It’s not required.

  • Joe Clovis

    So, if our military and OUR flag are political, which side do they represent and which side finds these two things offensive. I know the answer, let’s see if a liberal has the gonads to speak the truth.

  • Steelman72

    Wow, didn’t hear that one, if there’s any truth to that it’s a shame. AV absolutely did the right thing and I have the utmost respect for him as a player, person, and soldier. I have never served, but admit, I love every person who has had the courage to protect our country and freedoms of this land. Unfortunately for the NFL, these freedoms are stirring a hornet’s nest. Now, on to the Steelers, these guys are an emotional mess right now. I believe there are more emotional issues in the locker room that we don’t know about. Ben’s possible retirement, Bell’s “holdout”, the national anthem etc…. Hopefully, this game was their Come to Jesus Moment or things could really spiral downward for them!

  • Kick

    Said the courts.

  • eric

    Please share this reputable link.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    So many things to cover here.

    1. You are as bad or worse as the person you would describe Tomlin to be with rhetoric like that. How many NFL players do we know who come from bad places and circumstances and turn out to be good people? What exactly has Tomlin done to lead you to believe he is a hoodrat? I haven’t always agreed with his coaching decisions but as a man he has always carried himself well as a reprentative of the Steelers organization. And incase you didn’t see the broadcast he was one of the men standing on the sideline with his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

    2. You forget that he has a job as a coach of the football team. He is the boss. He gave his players the oppurtunity to come to an agreement and expected them to stand by it. It doesn’t matter if what AV did was respectable or not if he didn’t listen to his coach. Every player in the NFL has to listen to their coach or they end up cut or on the bench. The same rules apply to AV whether he is a vet or not.

    3. And what if AV agreed with his guys that they would stay in the tunnel together and then instead went out in the front of the tunnel and betrayed his word? Do we not judge him the same way simply because he is a vet? We don’t know the whole story there so it isn’t fair to judge one side or the other.

    In any case you sound completely ridiculous and it is people like you who turn these conversations into a dumpster fire with your emotional reactions compeltely devoid of thought or logic.

  • MAKB

    I know they did not show respect….well all but one. Thats all i need to know.

    Btw, that was their choice, i have and will defend their right. However, Its now my choice to call them out. Actions have consequences.

  • Grant Humphrey

    Agreed the more think about this the less angry I become about the game itself but more angry about this.

  • walter

    Apparently there were members of the team that wanted to protest. Thats the way i see it.

  • Peki

    Perfect example of what I mean. A flag isn’t a universal symbol; individuals attach their own meanings to it. For you, apparently, military + flag = good and only a dastardly liberal would disagree. Congratulations, you have politicized the flag.

    More importantly, who let the liberal in here? Where’s the moderator!?

  • L Garou

    “You know, by no means, no way shape or form, was there any disrespect intended towards our troops or people that serve this country,” Roethlisberger started.”

    We just spit in their face because we’re skeeeered people will think we’re not BLM-BFF

  • MAKB

    Funny way to show respect. ANYWAY, i support your right to say whatever you want, but that does not absolve you or anyone from the consequences of your words or actions.

  • Ike Evans

    Go ahead and rip them but stick to facts….just don’t call it a protest….that’s not a fact. I will call out a lack of facts every time. If you call it disrespectful…hey, that’s a matter of opinion. Not my issue…That wasn’t the point I was contesting when I responded

  • Ike Evans

    That’s a fact, but the fact also remains there were members of the team who didn’t.

  • walter

    I guess the team made a decision in haste and I heard the vote was close. . I cant imagine james harrison not standing up front. And if he could do it all over again, i believe he would stand beside AV. AV had no choice. He is a loyal American. I understand many players did not want to lose their jobs so maybe they had no choice.

  • Axe Skot

    Without the 1st amendment, America is meaningless. The only thing I disagree with about this protest is that it’s not successfully getting people to talk about the issue. It doesn’t matter if they stand or not stand, what matters is that they are trying to start a dialogue about the state of affairs in this country regarding the criminal justice system and black Americans. And if you think that obligatory obedience to a symbol is what makes you a good American, you wouldn’t have held up too well during the Revolutionary War. Obedient American used to be an oxymoron, now it’s just an actual moron.

    “I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.”
    ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

  • Black Gold

    You nailed it, very well put. Thanks.

  • Chiricano

    As a decorated war veteran and US Army Officer and Ranger Villenueva had no choice but thread the needle, he could not and would not take the field without his team mates, and had to answer the call when the national anthem was played. He stood at the mouth of the tunnel and did his best to stand for both worlds, he has my respect as a man, Steeler and veteran!

  • Jihn

    No maybe I didn’t explain myself clearly.the idea is to show the owners and players our displeasure in the way their doing their protests!! The fans pay for their salaries and think about it for a minute no fans in the staudium you don’t think that would send a message to them

  • Alan Tman

    Your theory of unintended consequences

  • Big White

    Like AV needs Ben’s endorsement. lol

  • 2020_Vision

    The Flag Shouldn’t Be Carried Flat

    KANSAS CITY STAR VIA GETTY IMAGES
    “The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.”

    Most people know the flag should never touch the ground, but few know that it has to be displayed vertically. Maybe it’s a nod to the lyric that had the flag “gallantly streaming” in the air. Whatever the case, an unfurled flag that sits flat is a disrespect to the flag code.

  • 2020_Vision

    The Flag Shouldn’t Be Carried Flat

    KANSAS CITY STAR VIA GETTY IMAGES
    “The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.”

    Most people know the flag should never touch the ground, but few know that it has to be displayed vertically. Maybe it’s a nod to the lyric that had the flag “gallantly streaming” in the air. Whatever the case, an unfurled flag that sits flat is a disrespect to the flag code.

    NFL DOES THIS EVERY GAME!!!!!!

  • 2020_Vision

    True enough. But when the “So-called” Leader of the Country basically dares you and calls you a Son of a B%$&#, expect a response. Especially, with his divisive rhetoric. Puerto Rico is without power…**Crickets*** from the President. This guy is not Presidential at all. There were some who genuinely use this for protest. The Majority was DEFIANCE and I for one APPLAUD!!!!

  • nutty32

    That’s not what the quotes in the linked article says.

  • L Garou

    How could anyone expect him to not salute his flag during the national anthem?!!
    Tomlin should have said as much. James Harrison too.

  • PaeperCup

    really unfortunate, that would have set the tone that never did get set.

  • 2020_Vision

    NFL players only started coming on the field for the National Anthem in 2009.

    The reason: The govt. paid them to stage patriotic displays to boos military recruitment.

    The Department of Defense and the National Guard paid the NFL a combined $12.3 million between 2011 and 2015. So the next time you think NFL players should stay out of politics, just remember that politics injected itself into the NFL first, and these players never got a say in being used as army recruitment tools.

  • hdogg48

    Tomlin lost the Steelers locker room yesterday.

    In order for the team to demonstrate that RADICALLY from
    a nearly century old tradition of our proud franchise,
    the vote should have been UNANIMOUS …not close
    like it was.

    If the press wants to blame the devisiveness on Trump and
    the Right…so be it…but IMHO the Steelers demonstration
    didn’t bring the team or its fan base closer together yesterday
    but FURTHER apart.

  • 2020_Vision

    You must mean LaDainian.

  • Av232

    They still protest at LA home games, so I guess so.

    I hope you see the hypocrisy in what you propose. But hey, freedom of speech. I’ll keep watching and keep wishing ppl would talk about what really matters… The social injustices that inspired all of this.

  • walter

    I think they were forced to make a decision in haste and they wanted it to be a team decision.. In hindsight it was not a good choice. If they had decided to take the field, yes its possible they would all have stood for the anthem. We will never know as they made the poor decision not to participate. Between CTE, over paid players and disrespect for our national anthem, i am losing interest in the nfl.

  • hdogg48

    It was an autocorrect from my IPAD
    I proofed it and changed it.

    I have been a fan of Tomlin since he got here.
    After yesterday he lost me..and probably the
    team.

    I stand by my post….the vote should have been
    UNANAMOUS.

  • Dillan Walker

    That’s not fact either. How can you sit behind your computer and say they didn’t have the intent to protest what Trump said 24 hrs earlier. They never did this before, the president says something stupid, then they make a display. That’s a protest, maybe a silent one but if you want to talk facts look up the definition of of protest and common back.

  • Dillan Walker

    Yeah bud you go show thwm how to hold a 38 yrd by 80 yrd flag vertically… Ignoramus

  • Ike Evans

    a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something….FACT

    Saying we can’t agree as a group what’s right so we are removing ourselves all together to stay neutral…isn’t a protest. You can call it disrespectful, if you want…but it wasn’t a protest..

  • Chiricano

    AV does not stand to because he thinks Trump is right, he stands to because he is a war Hero, a US Army Officer and a Ranger, and that’s what they do when the flag is uncovered and the anthem is played. Once a hero always a hero! Bet he didn’t ask what color the injured soldiers were when he helped them while taking fire!!!

  • Dillan Walker

    Ignorant fool… Didn’t you hear him basically say, if your going to comment back with political bullshiss he wouldn’t respond, yet you spent another 4 minute replying…

  • Dillan Walker

    I don’t think it was disrespectful, but I wasnt at the player only meeting when they decided… However they obviously had a 99% objection rate to what the president said… That’s a protest, and fact based on definition

  • Jeff Papiernik

    He didn’t call everyone in the NFL an SOB, only the ones who were kneeling for the anthem. And actually, I agree with that statement. But hey, that’s just my opinion.

    Besides, I can’t believe how sensitive these guys are. Have you heard some of the audio from these games? An SOB would be pretty vanilla compared to the insults they throw at each other. But the President says something and oh no! how dare he! my feelings are hurt.

  • John Pennington

    And why would he he has that right.

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Oh ok. Well no, it wont change until the platform is chosen more wisely. If players continue to kneel during the anthem those who feel it disrespects the military will focus on that. Once they realize that the possibility of the conversation being what it needs to be will increase

  • 2020_Vision

    He’s the President!! There is supposed to be a Exceptional Decorum when you hold that title. Clearly why he doesn’t garner any respect!!!!

  • 2020_Vision

    Just indicating the code. 🙂 Btw, It’s *them.

  • 2020_Vision

    *Unanimous

  • Ni mo

    Put a patriot is a patriot Home or not

  • Jeff Papiernik

    I personally know plenty of people that respect him. Obviously not everyone will feel the same way. And I think his political incorrectness is what drew voters to him in the first place.

  • Ni mo

    Family members was but that has nothing to do with it , if you a real patriot when it’s played rather you home or at the game or bar you should stand

  • Dillan Walker

    You’re right… Just making sure you get it, and there is also a code for how to dispose of the flag, and it has a lot of backup options as I’m sure there are options on how to hold an 80 yrd long flag…

  • Dillan Walker

    The worst and most ignorant kind, yep fully aware

  • Dillan Walker

    Read about Jerry Jones and how he handled the situation and his team, then can you tell me this isn’t on the Rooney’s

  • Ike Evans

    Also, not a fact when several guys (who were there) in their statements point to more then 1 person or people disagreeing with those who wanted to protest

  • hdogg48

    Yeah unanimous.

  • NinjaMountie

    It’s a Ranger Batt. joke. We used to do Tab checks and anyone without a Ranger Tab (the new guys) had to do push-ups.
    So, since AV doesn’t have a ring you could Ring Check him instead of fining him. Just a joke.

  • Dillan Walker

    Well at least we agree now that it was a protest. Now the question should be, is that the right way… When you and your other teammates who don’t agree with what the president says, why don’t you pool your giant salaries for a commercial or event, just feels like a worthless way to protest considering what they could do… Seems like all they accomplished was stirring the pot, in these comments, in their locker room, but the only consistent thing I’ve heard alot since yesterday is, alot of people support AV, an a significant amount of commenters don’t wanna support the NFL I’m not sure what any of that means but nothing good has come out of this all the way back to Kaep..

  • Ike Evans

    We don’t agree man lol you kidding me?

  • Charles Haines

    People are certainly talking about this, successfully or not I guess is TBD. A huge problem in this country is private prisons and until we rid ourselves of that plague I’m afraid not much will change with regards to inequalities and systematic prejudices towards minorities. This is so similar to the health care “debate”, of course a nationalized health care system will work, see the rest of the world, but the reality is that there is so much profit from sick people and so many uninformed voters that it will probably never happen.

  • Charles Haines

    It used to be separate until the DoD paid millions to advertise with the NFL and that’s why we are subjected to fly overs and military personnel on the field.

  • Alan Tman

    You’ve had almost 60 years. Lol

  • Phil Brenneman II

    Im 32 so not sure where u got that number from

  • Chad H

    Still not a valid argument. If a person doesn’t stand at home doesn’t mean they are not patriotic. I like I said it is not required. There are rules on this.

  • Jshappyday

    Factually wrong. This started as a talking point on a liberal site and has been disproven by hundreds of video – Bears (Soldiers Field – says it all) and Cowboy players have been on the field for 30+ years for the National Anthem. Most teams started in the 90’s, not all, but after 9-11 nearly all came out for the National Anthem where numerous tributes before all the 2001 and 2002 NFL games took place — there are about 25 videos that will come up if you google “videos of 2001 and 2002 9-11 tributes at NFL games” showing many different teams on the field for the National Anthem and 9-11 tributes. Where the “2009” talking point came from is that is when it was officially manadatory for all teams to participate since it was now included in NFL operations and players manual page 62 with guidelines to follow –outlines how team players are to Stand for the Anthem, remain silent or sing, remove the helmet and hold in their hand, look in the direction of the flag and a more details of where to stand (in front of benches…). But Players standing for the National Anthem has been going on for decades for some teams, since 2001 for nearly all of the others but it officially became manadatory with rules and guidelines in 2009.

  • Jshappyday

    I also just recalled and found it online of an iconic image of Walter Payton, Bears, in the mid 80’s on the field with his hand on his heart looking at the flag next to Quarterback Jim McMahon – a great Getty image that became a poster on a lot of walls in Chicago during the SuperBowl run. You can search lots of old football players names with ” in NFL uniform for National Anthem” and find lots of photographs available.” Sorry I am not trying to pile on here, but as a journalist at the beginning of my career I hate when facts are distorted.

  • Ed Smith

    The message was for ignorant fools like you

  • pittsburghjoe

    Forcing someone in the military to do push ups today would get you thrown in the brig. Kidding aside, thanks for your service.

  • MAKB

    the other fact…..they did not come out and stand

  • Ike Evans

    Another fact, they did not…still doesn’t make it a protest