Mike Tomlin Not Confident Martavis Bryant Can Help Team Down The Stretch

The Pittsburgh Steelers didn’t have wide receiver Martavis Bryant for their Sunday night road game against the Detroit Lions as the former fourth-round draft pick out of Clemson was benched for the contest by head coach Mike Tomlin for his social media outburst last Sunday night. The Steelers were ultimately able to beat the Lions 20-15 without Bryant thanks to a great game by the rookie wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster, the player Bryant took a shot at in his now-deleted Instagram post.

After the win over the Lions, head coach Mike Tomlin was asked during his post-game press conference to disclose what went into his decision to make Bryant inactive Sunday night.

“I outlined that pretty crystal clear on Tuesday and I’m done talking about it, I am,” said Tomlin.

Tomlin was almost immediately asked if he’s confident that Bryant will be able to help the team down the stretch.

“I’m not,” Tomlin said. “We’ll see.”

As mentioned, Smith-Schuster had a huge game in Bryant’s absence as this year’s second-round draft pick caught 7 passes Sunday night for 193 yards and a touchdown. That touchdown, a 97-yard score from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in the third quarter, is now the longest scoring pass play in the history of the franchise.

The Steelers will now have their bye week and it will be interesting to see how Bryant responds to his Sunday night benching when the team plays the Indianapolis Colts in Week 10. One would think that as long as Bryant isn’t a distraction over the course of the next few weeks that he’ll dress and play against the Colts.

The NFL trade deadline is this coming Tuesday and the Steelers have made clear that Bryant won’t be traded as the organization feels they have too much invested in him at this point.

In the past, several offensive players who have been sat by Tomlin over the years have responded in their first games back in action.

  • Crowned

    Can only hope to add a motivated Bryant to what we see tonight our of JuJu and AB.

  • CP72

    It was, is, and will be up to Martavis. It always has been.

    You want a star in this league just make plays when the opportunity arises.. You were given all the talent to do so.

  • Steeler Miller

    There’s no reason everybody can’t eat. There’s plenty of opportunities for all these playmakers to get their piece of the pie. The end zone targets to Eli and Hey Bey would likely be TDs if thrown to Bryant. Mix in the few targets that Hunter got, and there’s no reason why AB, JJSS, and MB cant get theirs. Hopefully we get Gilbert back healthy, Ben settles in and the offense really cranks it up after the bye. Perfect opportunities with the defenses we will see immediately after bye week.

  • Hec

    Don’t expect Martavis Bryant back in the lineup anytime soon! Just saying!

  • Taylor Williams

    I doubt we’ll get to see what he brings to the offense these days. I’ll be happy if they just used him as a red zone target.

    I have a feeling haley isnt confident with Bens accuracy.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Do I want us to trade Bryant? No.
    Do I think Bryant can help this team win? Yes.
    Do I think we WILL trade Bryant? No.
    Do I believe in Bryant more than most on here and in the ‘Nation? Yes.

    But do I believe that trading Bryant should somehow be taken off the table??? Absolutely not.

    Especially not if Tomlin isn’t willing to instruct Haley to call his number a fair share going forward. Point is, do I want Bryant rotting on the bench ever again, while Tomlin and he engage in some d***-measuring contest? No. Hell no. I don’t want Bryant gone, but I’d much rather see him traded, than have that happen ever again, assuming no particular outburst or lack of practice effort. If somehow it has gotten personal, and a wedge has been driven over this complete and utter nonsense, then I say we seriously explore a trade. We are all-in this year, right? We are looking for a championship. So if we can gain something important and tangible for a guy we are going to disrespect and bench, well, I say let’s heavily consider pulling the trigger. And no, I’m not talking draft picks. But there ARE players out there who could help us. And we DO have some cap space to play around with. So all options should of course be on the table right now.

  • colingrant

    The last time Tomlin answered a question in similar fashion, Cortez Allen was never seen again. Different situation, but a surprising non-vote of confidence.

  • dany

    Playing the colts defense could be a remedy

  • Zarbor

    MB is not trade-able because you can’t get the value for him right now. He’s a druggy and now a locker room issue. If you trade him you will not get great value so you have to keep him for now. I personally don’t like the kids attitude even though he doesn’t show it on the field.

    I wouldn’t be surprise if they got rid of him despite what Tomlin said earlier. They love Ju-Ju and I think after his play tonight, they believe they can win it all without Bryant. I personally don’t think so. I think Bryant brings a different game to this team than what Ju-Ju brings so Bryant’s silly comparison makes no sense. Nevertheless, this offense still looks sad and needs alot of work. That is why you can’t get rid of anybody.

  • Darth Blount 47

    It wasn’t just Tomlin, it was Art as well. If by “druggy” you mean someone who used to smoke pot while a bunch of current players are still smoking the same thing, then okay. Druggy it is. Personally, I consider alcohol and cigarettes exceedingly more dangerous and deadly a drug, but that’s just my opinion.

    Martavis has helped this team get to 6-2 (I guess 5-2 to be stark) and he’s helped in a myriad of ways. But I do agree that this Offense still needs work, and that we really can only afford to lose him if we somehow got back similar value. Which, is highly improbable, so what would be the point? I’d absolutely love to hear a handful of people come out and speak their minds in defense of Martavis the person. As a guy AND as a locker room teammate. I mean, Ben and Tomlin both praised him, but people seem to want to ignore that. And JuJu was totally understand and Pouncey has spoke up for him in the past. But assuming he is going to be a Steeler going forward, I want us to actually TREAT him like a Steeler. Especially once he starts exploding in the way that I know is certainly possible, starting right in week 10, against a terrible Colts secondary.

  • pittfan

    Surprising words from MT. He’s usually more circumspect when it comes to things like this. J2S2 sure put on a show and it had to be hard for MB to watch even though he is a Steeler. I’d love to see him bounce back strong and give us the deep threat we’ve all been waiting to see.

  • John Pennington

    MB can help the team once he humble himself and just play football.If he keeps his opinions to himself and just work on his game he just might get out of the dog house.

  • Reader783

    Indeed, very unlike MT, especially given the nature of MB’s behavior (this rings similar). I was talking about it externally, maybe this is MT’s attempt to get MB riled up? Maybe Tomlin is realizing this might be a player he can’t be a “players’ coach” for. Tough love. Grow up, show up and play.

  • Brenton deed

    Yes I agree… tough love. It also says: “listen if it’s going to be lose-lose berween us we’re prepared for it, are you?”

  • HondoCogburn

    From now until his contract expires dress him and put in for just one play a game and tell Ben no matter how open he gets under no circumstances do you throw anywhere near him! Cancer should not be fed.

  • Rick McClelland

    Bryant can tweet, twit, squeak, and squawk all he wants. He’s not going to put up a game like JuJu just had.
    Should have kept his mouth shut and just balled.
    He’s always got those “mines” to fall back on.

  • Big Joe

    Mind games.

  • Applebite

    Some people read too much into what is said. That was a challenge by Tomlin. It was that simple.

    It’s up to Bryant to take that challenge head on and let his talent speak for him. It’s also up to Haley to use Bryant in a proper way. Those little bubble screens to MB aren’t helping him worth a damn, but it sure did set up JuJu’s first catch of the night. And in that right there is the issue I have of Haley and Ben right now. The emphasis is strictly on JuJu, if the focus isn’t on Brown. Everyone else seems to be an afterthought.

    That’s a very bad way to handle this offense. The emphasis should be on Bell, and having Ben throw to the open man, not just strictly Brown. That forced throw into quadruple coverage? Was there not 2 other men open on that play? You can’t go into the playoffs thinking this is enough to get by. You’re not going to beat the Pats, thinking this is enough. The failure of this offense is written above, and it will be their downfall come playoff time.

    Bryant feeling as if he’s being cut out of the offense is legitimate. He and a few others aren’t counting on very much. To be fair to Ben, when the ball hits you in the hands, you have no excuse for dropping it, Rogers. But Ben needs to instill confidence in the other guys as well. Brown simply needs his ego stroked like a cat, he can handle the rest on his own. The others…not so much.

    Of all else, the fans aren’t exactly helping any here. Other than ridicule MB to hell and back for any little thing that goes wrong, like JuJu’s bike going missing, that wasn’t MB’s fault. But I swear, you watch the Twitter feed and there were actually fans blaming the man for the bike missing. Come on…really? It’s like watching a child with a new toy, shunning all the old toys, until the newness wears off. What’s worse, most of those same fans were upset when JuJu was their pick in the 2nd rd.

    Bryant should leave Twitter alone until all of this is over. Just, “Ghost”. Focus on the game and doing what he needs to do to help the team out. Haley needs to stop being a damn bum and go over things with Bryant, to see what works for him and what doesn’t. And for the love of god, get the TE’s more involved down the stretch. So much opens up when their included in the game plan.

  • Ed Smith

    Who is???

  • WTF Tomlin? If he had played against the Lions, I highly doubt he would have dropped that pass in the end zone that Eli dropped. He may even have given Ben a huge target in that game and scored 2 or 3 TDs. You didn’t ‘punish’ him as much as you did the rest of the team by not allowing him to dress for this one.

  • Nolrog

    That’s what people said about the Bears as well.

  • Michael James

    I think the one thing that pissed Tomlin (and many fans) off the most was the fact that Bryant somehow felt the need to start an idiotic heated discussion with an internet troll and then drag JuJu into this whole mess.
    This kind of behaviour was dumb on more than one level, even if Bryant had no ill intentions per-se. It was just the complete opposite of being a professional. It wasn’t the first time either.
    I hope they somehow settle this and he can become a valuable contributor again, but like you said: If Tomlin feels that Bryant has lost his last bit of credit, than maybe a trade would indeed be the best option. I’m just not sure we could get anything good for him.

  • Dewayne Braxton

    True Bryant could have had the targets Eli and Bey received. However lets not forget that Bryant’s snap count was reduced for a good reason. He struggled to get open.

  • Dewayne Braxton

    I see your point. That said, if Ben can play better even minus Bryant the offense will drastically improve.

  • Work Toward

    Please consider since training camp Martavis and Ben have not resolve some issues. Consequently, he has not felt welcome as a killer b. I love the Steelers but Ben at best is an average leader. He is not known to resolve issues from Holmes, Wallace, to Bryant. Even Sanders questioned his leadership. Bryant desires to be elite but ruined that process since violating the substance policy. Like other greats he has to start over and build the team’s trust. Interestingly, Ben is not capable of facilitating a mutual trust since his past is marked with incorrigible behaviors…

  • Quan Hurst

    TRADE HIM FOR A VET(BOLDIN OR FITZ) WHO WANTS A RING!

  • Quan Hurst

    If you ask me i think BB is the reason for all this immature stuff. Nobody is going respect anytging BB says when one his play hasnt been elite in years and two he has prior violations that were worst that MB. you can tell by their sideline communication MB doesnt respect BB

  • Work Toward

    As he played off the AB tantrum….AB second incident in KC.

  • francesco

    When Tomlin answered he’s not confident he was thinking of Ben.

  • francesco

    Tomlin should challenge Ben instead. Let Ben know that Landry is waiting in the wings.

  • Work Toward

    When AB is injured because of Ben’s ill advised lofty pass we’re going to need Martavis or a veteran???

  • francesco

    Yes JuJu had a remarkable game i give you that. But wasn’t Hunter in for Bryant? What did Hunter do? Also i noticed that the Lions secondary were very loose in covering JuJu. As if they did not know what to expect from the rookie. Or perhaps Lions secondary is just not very good.

  • francesco

    If anything…Ben is a coach killer. Can’t seem to get along with anybody except his buddy Arians.

  • francesco

    I lost faith and credibility in Tomlin a long time ago.

  • Gluebucket

    Boldin has quit playing to focus on social activism.

  • Chad Weiss

    I hope they play Bryant.Hunter and Eli were both losers lastnight

  • Delboka

    Still don’t know why we drafted a WR in the 2nd round.

  • NW86

    Exactly. Does this mean that a trade isn’t out of the question after all? Guess we will find out in the next 24 hours.

  • Thomas

    I think when you combine the drop by DHB and the drop by Rodgers, plenty of meat on that Bone for Martavis if he can get right. 😐

  • will

    “Do I want us to trade Bryant? No.”

    Yet, you make your case for a trade.
    ??????

  • Brandon Watson

    That was intelligent comprehensive reading, as I agree that’s absolutely what Tomlin is doing.

  • will

    Why?

  • will

    It is the girlfriend.

  • Brandon Watson

    It’s no use brah! The anti-Tomlin side have highly inflated, unfounded ‘insight’ into head coaching b/c evidently all the factual, historical tidbits that exist out there get met with ridiculous dismissals. They just don’t like the man, and I just don’t get it.

  • francesco

    I know people will say look at his record. But i agree with Terry Bradshaw when he stated that Tomlin is a cheerleader not a game strategist.

  • AndreH

    That doesn’t bold well for Martavis Bryant, sounds like he’ll be gone by Tuesday’s deadline. Tomlin sounds like a talking head put in front a camera and that’s when he’s at his best. Last week he said they had know plans to trade him now it doesn’t seem like he can help the team down the stretch. I hope they don’t trade him I think he can be a contributor, unless he has already burnt his bridges in Pittsburgh.

  • Josh

    Or get YAC

  • blue

    Media is pushing this story in an attempt to get a resolution, but guess what Steelers aren’t winning the Super Bowl this season without Marty B on the team.

  • Alan Tman

    Tomlin feeling like a proud Papa since he pushed for JuJu. I hope he trades Martavis since he’s not confident in his abilities. There’s only one person holding this offense back, but we still only scored 20 points, and Martavis was not there to blame.

  • T R

    yea that’s what I say.. last night game only highlighted JuJu and showed Bryant that DHB and Eli Rodgers are just guys on offense. DHB still ST ace, Rodgers might be back on inactive and Bryant and Hunter on. Eli might want to put a heater in his doghouse

  • T R

    because of that victory last night.

  • Alan Tman

    I think everything is accurate except Ben is much more involved in this. He is giving Martavis the same treatment he gave Coates last year, and acts like he is on MB10S side. For example, this week he said that he had no clue Martavis was unhappy. What?? This will not get resolved, because Ben doesn’t want it resolved. AB was bracketed all night with Martavis absent.

  • Jim McCarley

    Eli Rodgers might be traded before MB…First game back after being sat down for a couple and Ben lays you a gift out there to redeem yourself and you drop a TD…really? As for Bryant, I give him one last shot to “be great” as Santonio Holmes would say and start him for a couple of games and see how he responds. If he seems uninterested and la-dee-dah about it all, then wait until the draft and trade him for a pick….I would not trade him now unless someone offers you a ‘steal” and that’s likely not going to happen….

  • Alan Tman

    I really don’t think it’s Haley. I think it’s Ben.

  • nutty32

    What else was MT supposed to say when asked that question? That MB is the man? Total non-story.

  • Hec

    It’s all on Martavis, and he didn’t do anything to remedy the situation by going on a tangent. I knew he was going to be a problem back when the Steelers drafted JuJu, and he said they didn’t drafted JuJu to replace him to Coates. Which was a shot at Coates. Martavis has been burning the bridge since the beginning of the season. He feels entitled as if there is no repercussion for his transgressions. The kid is talented, but he is not bigger than the team. So before he brings the whole locker room down with his tantrum it’s best that he be dealt with in this manner. He has a lot of potentials, and we all seen what he is capable of with that potential, but he is not an established star who could draw a line in the sand make demands like that. What he is becoming is a cancer for the team. You should already know Steelers don’t take likely to that type of player. I’m surprised they are being more tolerant than they have in the past. Ala Santonio Holmes who they traded for almost to nothing to get rid of him for being suspended for just a couple of games. I’m still mad about that cause Santonio Holmes established himself as a Super Bowl champion for us……… Smoking “weed” is not an addiction for the previous commenter to call him a “druggy”. I’m straight out the hood. I grew up around drugs and drug addicts to understand “weed” isn’t an addiction. I smoked “weed” for 28 years of my life, and didn’t find it nearly impossible to give it up like I may find my cigarette addiction to be. There are no physical withdraws like “crack cocaine” and “heroin” to stopping anyone’s “weed” smoking habits. This really kills me when people related “weed” to an addiction, it is not.

  • Alan Tman

    Did anyone notice if Ben and the receivers hooked up this summer? I don’t think that they have since 2014, and it’s no surprise that we excelled that year. You have to put in work together to have details worked out. That’s why it’s impossible for receivers to be ready without working with the starting QB.

  • Jim Foles

    That’s the problem… Landry sucks. At least play Dobbs.

  • Jim Foles

    Maybe its the withdrawl from substance abuse. Your attitude changes.

  • Jim Foles

    The Bears and Jacksonville are top ten defenses.

  • Jim Foles

    Nix kinda makes that point playing half the downs.. right?

  • Wayne’O

    The offense is not better without Martavius. He drawls deep help. Without him in the game, AB was getting triple teamed and there was no deep threat to open up the offense.

  • Intense Camel

    It’s both

  • DirtDawg1964

    Cheerleader, strategist. Who cares? Look at the record. And anyone siding with Bradshaw is siding on the wrong side of most things. The guy is clueless.

  • Stout

    Rogers drops punts and passes, Hunter is a 1 trick pony, DHB is a gunner, Bryant is a head case. I’d say Juju answered that question on the field ( and off when Bryant blasted him ).

  • DirtDawg1964

    100% it’s both. Haley tries to get too cute at times (although the shovel pass to JuJu to convert the third and short was a dandy play) and Ben has been pedestrian. He’s missing wide open guys, making poor reads, and some of his audibles have been questionable.

  • DirtDawg1964

    Oh please. Coach killer? He’s had three OCs and two HCs in his career and only Arians left on bad terms.

  • DirtDawg1964

    Try and pay attention. Hunter took the hat. JuJu took the spot. If you can’t keep up maybe you shouldn’t comment. JuJu became the number two WR threat. Not Hunter.

  • DirtDawg1964

    Yeah, you and the potted plant in the corner think Landry is subbing for Ben. Good grief you’re dim.

  • Stout

    They aren’t trading anybody that’s a WR, and yes, Bryant burnt that bridge.
    It kills me all this talk about trade, but from the film, he isn’t worth anything. Talent, yes. Diva, yes, Effort and heart…..well, that’s the rub isn’t it?

  • Stairway7

    Well coach, I hope he can help becuase this current offense is bumbling, fumbling and inconsistent.

  • Intense Camel

    And that’s why you don’t coach

  • Blake Majors

    Agreed, do not look at Bradshaw for any intelligible conversation pertaining to the Steelers. If you do, you are a fool.

  • SkoolHouseRoxx

    The ball is in Baby Moss’ court. Let’s see what he does with it.

  • Bill

    When three wide receivers on the field they should be Brown, Smith-Schuster and Byrant. Those are the three most talented available. It’s Tomlin’s and the staff’s job to make that happen; therefore if Bryant fails the coaching staff has also failed. If leaders do not understand that they are always a large part any solution then they are destined to fail.
    And we must never lose sight of the fact that the specter of injury is always a storm cloud over a football team. The Steelers need Bryant to succeed!

  • Woodsworld

    Sounds like a better description of Bradshaw, than Tomlin. The Steelers WR’s made Bradshaw look like a HOF! I Still remember the amazing catches by Swann and Stallworth!

  • Smitty 6788

    Lmao.. You must be medicated.

  • StrengthOfVictory

    Bryant can be involved and will need to be, I think. I have nothing but love for JuJu, but he is not a deep threat, and there is really no substitute for a guy that must be respected by a safety over the top.

    Bryant is still a useful weapon (especially once the offense begins clicking more consistently), he’s just not the 1b to AB that he imagined he was. I think his early career success got to his head.

  • 太阳三联

    Eli deserves no playing time whatsoever. Hey bey and hunter are mediocre. We need MB to get fired up cus with juju rising + McDonald and James making decent plays in his absence, this offense can really be a lethal bunch if Ben continues to distribute all around. 6-2 tho. Very happy. We were 4-5 last yr this time?

  • heath miller

    lol .. you dont? did u watch the game last night ?

  • treeher

    Tomlin’s comment was a challenge to Bryant. We’ll see how he responds.

  • Conserv_58

    IMO, As far as the organization was concerned, last night’s game was a test to see if twenty year old rookie, JuJu was mature enough to handle the pressure of being the starting #2 receiver, especially during a nationally televised game.

    As we saw, JuJu not only passed with flying colors, but he broke a couple of records in the process. What he did, without realizing it, was to throw down the proverbial gauntlet to Martavis. Metaphorically speaking, he slapped Bryant across his face, took him by the scruff of his neck, rubbed his nose in his pile of excrement and forced him to prove that he’s the better receiver. The onus is now on Martavis to put up or shut the heck up.

  • heath miller

    lol .. landy is waiting in the wings LMAOOOO that my be the worst post of all time .. are u kidding me .. landy jones…. the only ting landy is waiting for is for the selers to draft a high ound QB to replace ben and landry is waiting to get cut next yeah .. lmao he has a beer chance of being cut next year then everrrrr replacing ben… as jim foles say landry sucks .. play dobbs HEATHHHHHHHHHH

  • Conserv_58

    Ben also had better find a way to improve his accuracy too. He got lucky again last night because he could have had a couple more interceptions. The one he did throw stemmed form the same problem he’s had this season. He locked onto AB, never took his eyes off of him and threw the ball into triple coverage.

  • Conserv_58

    If Bryant isn’t motivated after seeing what twenty year old JuJu did, then he needs to go.

  • Conserv_58

    Ben spent plenty of time after practices to work with the receivers because the receivers said so.

  • francesco

    This was the best post i’ve read. Thankyou for this.

  • pcantidote

    I continue to believe Bryant has played his last game as a Steeler. I believe the expectations of him were more based on the past than reality. On the field I don’t see any tangible results that tell me he is any more valuable than DHB or Hunter.

  • Conserv_58

    Haley shouldn’t have the confidence he once did with Ben’s accuracy because Ben hasn’t been nearly as accurate this season as we’ve been accustomed to seeing him be. Over throwing a wide open Jessie James was inexcusable. His long ball is cringe worthy. That’s what happens when he doesn’t have the self discipline to get his lazy butt in shape in the off season. He spends more time working on his golf game than he does his body.

  • francesco

    So if Landry is no good why is he on this team?

  • francesco

    Look JuJu had a good game but please don’t insult my intelligence in thinking the Lion’s secondary is any good. The Lions give up 30 points a game on most nights!

  • francesco

    Finally we agree on something.

  • Reggie Cunningham

    I ask myself that question. He’s gone next yr. I thinks it going to be Ben, Dobbs and a draft pick. I do believe Ben will be back next year. Unless we win the Super Bowl

  • Conserv_58

    The pot smoking issue is valid, but it’s also given far too much credence when it comes to his market value. The NFL’s stance on marihuana is archaic and lacking in perspective. NFL players have done far worse and were never disciplined as harshly.

  • Conserv_58

    The difference being you position yourself as being a hater. I’m not.

  • francesco

    Steelers run their offense on 4 cylinders. Patriots are on 8 cylinders. There is the difference. Pats engine has less noise and is a well oiled machine.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    I do like how Tomlin will not throw his guys under the bus but at the same time challenge them. In a world of super media you have to be careful on how we manage our words to not be insensitive but at the same time inspire and charge his team up with what he says. I expect a HUGE game out of Bryant in two weeks.

  • Intense Camel

    *Sigh…

  • francesco

    Well i hope he gets traded so that i can see him play for another team.

  • HondoCogburn

    And I’m sure every NFL team is breaking down your door for your expert football knowledge, right?

  • francesco

    I’m not a hater. I love my team. But its been now 10 years since we won our last Superbowl. It’s all in the details and that’s why whether we win games or lose games i focus on the details and get critical. I am critical to any and all players including the coaching staff. The only people I abstain from criticizing are the cheerleaders.

  • Don’t get me wrong. I like Tomlin and I never complain about any of his decisions. I just wanted Bryant to play in this game. Yes, we won, but just barely. I know ‘a win is a win’. I just want this whole thing to end so Bryant can get back to work. The way he is, the more of this type of punishment gets him even more out of focus. I mean, at least it seems that way.

  • Michael

    When you watch JuJu make a catch, he has long arms and huge STRONG hands. Other scrubs or falling from grace players catch with weak alligator arms, e.g. Coates, Eli, MB of late. There lies the difference.

  • Intense Camel

    No, but I’m 100% positive there’s no one at yours.

  • francesco

    JuJu dropped an easy catch yesterday. The two long catches he made the Lions secondary fell asleep.

  • TrappenWeisseGuy ;

    I think he’s fostering that beard of his to cover up his double chins.

  • Michael James

    Tomlin is right here. Bryant’s behavior was just stupid.

  • Michael

    Had a couple plays not gone our way, Eli would’ve been the GOAT of 2 losses. How ironic Haley during pre season stated Eli’s a star in the make.

  • Steel Realist PAul

    For whatever reason, still unknown, it seems to be a little of each.

    Ben missed his throws last night, or at least it appeared that way, the receivers dropped important throws, and Haley’s calls were sometimes okay and sometimes confounding.

    The line is playing better although the Lions have a tough front.

    It’s like they just haven’t really found a rhythm yet, except for Ben and AB.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’ve always liked Tomlin. He’s a very professional coach. He has his issues with coaching, as all coaches do, but I’m happy with him as HC.

  • NinjaMountie

    JuJu is just strong all over. He breaks tackles like a RB. Love this kid.

  • Steel Realist PAul

    Dude.. it’s ‘Steelers won Monday’. Let’s enjoy it for one day.

  • sixnine

    How many did M.B drop yesterday? Since you seem to be part of the JuJu isn’t a stellar wr club!

  • francesco

    Yes I’m not excusing what MB said on social media. But Tomlin is turning out as being hypocritical in these incidences. AB last year and this year with the gatorade tantrum. Bell sitting out and now calling out a rookie etc.
    Tomlin just plays favorite.
    We forget about Boykin and Gilbert and why they were in Tomlin’s doghouse. I would like to just once see Tomlin in Tomlin’s doghouse!

  • NinjaMountie

    I understand why you would think that. I can’t agree with you on DHB. I might consider Hunter and MB similar. MB does have a skill set that could make him elite but his problem is his attitude.
    The very best outcome for this team is for him to be who he is capable of being. I am, however, very skeptical of that happening.

  • Steeler Nation!

    And who regrets sending him packing? We have actually had a running game and protected the QB since he got fired.

  • francesco

    MB didn’t play.

  • NinjaMountie

    No!!!! Sometimes a person just can’t be helped, or coached. Putting the success of Bryant on the coaching staff is just giving a player with a loooong history of bad decisions a pass (pun intended).

  • sixnine

    You can take a horse to the well but you can’t make him drink! Its nothing to do with coaches, as a man M.B needs to put his ego in check.

  • NCSteel

    Perhaps. But their stance is the stance by which they play or do not play and the fact remains, he’s one bad night away from not playing again ever.

  • sixnine

    Duh! Duh! Duh! He ain’t gonna show his talent from the inactive list! Love me some M.B but this complaining after wins has alienated alit of his fan base.And for ppl to knit pick JuJu’s game as a rookie are just as immature as Bryant on this subject.

  • Michael

    Bud Dupree, a guy who’s 6’4″ 270 sure plays soft. I think 240# guys out play Alvin with more fire & brut.

  • Jim Foles

    Obviously he is faster than people realize.

  • Scott

    Tomlin needs to stop holding grudges with players, instead he should be motivating and encouraging Bryant on how he can help the team. We’ll need all the help we can get down the stretch from Bryant, after all it’s not like our offense is lighting up the field.

  • NCSteel

    The contest to which you speak of is imaginary.
    A leader of men cannot allow dissension among his ranks nor can he permit the tearing down of another man in his charge. It is not done. Mr. Bryant crossed a few lines in the last few weeks but he earned his benching for that and that alone. No leader of men worth his salt would allow that. I am proud of the coach for that and as far as his comments about not being useful, that is a motivational tool that any man worth HIS salt should respond to with an “I’ll show you” attitude. Leadership. If the Coach didn’t have those qualities he would have been gone years ago. It’s one of the reasons I love the Steelers. They hire leaders of men. Men of integrity. It sometimes is not all about the wins. Sometimes it’s teaching those men in your charge integrity.

  • Jim Foles

    Dupree, Watt and Harrison are held way to often and get zero calls. Its almost a conspiracy against the steelers olb’s…. They get tackled and the flags stay in the pants.

  • pcantidote

    Exactly. MB clearly has way more potential than DHB or Hunter, but potential alone doesn’t get it done. Potential + hard work + attitude is needed.

  • NinjaMountie

    I don’t blame Tomlin for thinking this. Who knows what this guy is going to do next. MB really does come off as very selfish and out of touch. People like that always seem to find new ways to screw up.
    I had high hopes for him this off season but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him mess up again.

  • francesco

    I knit pick because others have knit picked MB when he missed a pass.

  • francesco

    Just like we have high hopes for JuJu now until he screws up.

  • NinjaMountie

    No. Only one of them has a long history of being a screw up.
    I know you love MB. It’s cool.

  • francesco

    Was MB a screw up before he was drafted?

  • NinjaMountie

    He’s not MB fast, but he is, as you say, obviously fast enough.

  • francesco

    Voice of reason.

  • Chris92021

    We and Martavis should look at this comment from Coach Tomlin as a challenge, not an insult. If Bryant plays even close to his physical capabilities for the rest of the year, home field advantage will be a foregone conclusion. That has been the problem with us anyway. We just can’t get out of our own way. Once we do, maybe we can play like the elite team that we all know we are capable of being.

  • Conserv_58

    No doubt. Ben has never been in top physical condition because he doesn’t like to workout. A couple of year ago he actually hired a private trainor to get him in better shape and his game showed it. This offseason he was seriously considering retirement and that has contributed to his unwillingness to get himself in better physical condition. His subsequent weight gain is noticeable. The result of his lack of physical conditioning has definitely contributed to his sub par performances.

  • Matt Rippin

    The only other time I recall Tomlin speaking so frankly about a player’s status was with respect to Senquez Golson. Ominous.
    Still have a hard time believing he’ll be cut or traded, though.

  • NinjaMountie

    I did a quick google. Yes, he had disciplinary problems in college and was suspended from a bowl game.
    So, if you’re all eager to blame Tomlin for something blame him for using a 4th on someone with questionable character.

  • hdogg48

    I’m hoping they can get some depth at Safety or a 3rd rounder
    from the Giants who are punch less after the loss of OBJ jr.

    Maybe they will see Bryant as the second coming of
    Plexico Buress and try to turn their 1-6 record back into
    respectability and save the coach and GMs job.

    That is the one team that I think can offer us the
    value for Bryant that he is worth. As a featured WR
    for the GMen he could thrive in that situation and
    ultimately “get mines.”

  • Conserv_58

    As I stated the other day, the Steelers don’t have to do anything because they don’t need to. They can sit back and let the market place come to them since they own Martavis’ rights through 2018. One fact was made perfectly clear last night, right now, Martavis has zero leverage and, JuJu’s game put an exclamation mark on that fact. Martavis also had to eat a mega portion of humble pie after he tweeted that he was better than JuJu is. The Steelers would be wise to not trade Martavis. Let his play dictate his eventual market value. If he ends up resembling the Martavis of 2015 at the end of the season and still wants out then his market value will net the Steelers a better offer.

  • Jason R

    I’m not reading too much into this. Mike seemed irritated by the question being asked and gave out a quick “no” then back tracked with a “we’ll see.” Either way, last night was not a good night for MB.

  • Conserv_58

    There is also the fact that the Rooney’s and the Mara families have a long standing close relationship.

  • Dan

    It is in our best interest that MB plays well the rest of the year. For contributions to the team and for potential trade value. And so we have to consider what contributes to his success. His psyche is one of those things. I am in favor of the coach showing tough love and being consistent with enforcing rules and consequences, but keep in mind this could be a kid enduring a difficult situation for the first time without self-medicating. He’s seeing the possibility of his dream slipping away. He should be happy for his team and successful teammates after a win with great performances, but you know in his heart there are the natural feelings of resentment and jealousy. Hope he can keep his head straight through all of this, stay away from the trolls on social media and receive some love from his brethren Steelers and fans.

  • Conserv_58

    When the reporter continued to press Mike after being told that Mike was done talking about it I fully expected Tomilin to answer with an angry, “What about I’m done talking about it don’t you understand?!”

  • francesco

    Thanks for the info. I owe you one.

  • Conserv_58

    I know that the NFL’s stance is what it is. I also know that what we are seeing from Martavis is in and of itself a stereotypical scenario that has played out numerous times over a few decades. The bottom line is, everything falls squarely on Martavis’ shoulders. He’s the one that’s got everything to prove, not the Steelers.

  • Conserv_58

    I can’t belive this utter nonsense got two likes!

  • Rocksolid20

    Ben will be gone shortly and then see how you like
    our team ?!

  • NinjaMountie

    I don’t think his trade value will ever reach the level to warrant a trade. If he raises his level of play we keep him and benefit from it. He leaves after next season and we get, possibly, a late 3rd round pick or a 4th round pick hopefully. Both of those picks are higher than anything we’d get out of him now. Shoot, a fifth would be higher, most likely.
    We’re better off to just keep him and hope.

  • NinjaMountie

    It’s a slow Monday. Always happy to help when I’m bored out of my mind, lol.

  • Conserv_58

    Let’s see… He’s an experienced and cheap alternative since he did sign a contract extension this offseason for a whopping $4.4 million dollars. He knows the offense inside and out and there is a level of confidence and familiarity the offensive players have with him.

  • francesco

    Yea will do. Especially since i predicted they would win!

  • 6 ring circus

    Lol, Tez, Tez. He was supposed to be our next big thing on defense, just like Martavis was supposed to be our next big thing on offense…Tay, Tay. Maybe it won’t pan out in this instance either.

  • Conserv_58

    What past violations of Ben’s are you referring to? If they’re the ones I think you’re referring to, Ben was never arrested for or found guilty of. He was guilty of making youthful bad decisions, but he committed no crimes.

  • Conserv_58

    That was a stretch.

  • Conserv_58

    You continue to position yourself as a complete buffoon with every post.

  • JimK-51

    That’s exactly right Francesco. You don’t see Brady knocking off practices and getting out of shape like our QB is. Ben need’s to get to practices and get in/sync with his receiver’s, and quit overthrowing them.

  • Rick McClelland

    80 (Martavis Bryant’s IQ) better get his stuff together real quick and start showing what he has. He’s playing on a rookie contract, has had suspensions, and the Steelers have no good reason to trade him. Time to suck it up, start balling, and stop talking. If he can’t make it, he always has that career in the ‘mines”.

  • Dan

    Unless he really became a locker room problem, I really wouldn’t accept anything lower than a 2nd or a package including a 3rd (from an NFC team only) for him…just based on potential alone. And I suspect an offer that high wouldn’t be offered for him at this point. So I agree, develope him the best we can and hope for the best. I assume we have a sports psychologist on staff or contract.

  • Conserv_58

    In your head that’s full of sailboat fuel.

  • Conserv_58

    Where you guys coming from? What makes you think that coach Tomlin holds grudges with the players? Were you in the room when they met?

  • Conserv_58

    That’s just what they need in the locker room.

  • Conserv_58

    How do you know what Tomlin is thinking?

  • BRB4ever

    You’re way off. They would be very lucky to get a 6th. Trades aren’t made on potential. They are made based on past performance.

  • NinjaMountie

    Yeah, I don’t understand this either.

  • Arthur Branch

    Tomlin’s opinion was not a surprise to me. When AB got in trouble Tomlin said he was going to punish AB not the team by sitting him. For Martavis he benched him right away, because he did not feel that would hurt the team. Martavis thought he was more valuable to the team than he is.

  • #beatthepats

    They should trade him, complaining after wins an tweets about other teamates scream s selfish- pot issues aside, offer him for terrell pryor- struggling in washington , big reciever , and the money exchange could make it work- Bryant forgets we went to the championship game without him.

  • Mr jack

    He has not had a problem with being motivated

  • Mr jack

    Ha ha

  • Mr jack

    Good speak

  • Dan

    He’s got some great plays on film. Maybe not great consistency, but some great plays.

  • Ryan Alderman

    What’s Tomlin supposed to say there, he IS confident? Martavis will have to earn it as it should be. I still think we need this guy in there to be at our very best as no matter what he’s one hell of a one-trick pony and most definitely commands attention freeimg up other aspects of the offense.

  • Michael

    Someone mentioned perhaps MB played like the beast that he was due to the toking? On clean lungs he’s mortal?

  • Zarbor

    Druggy as a guy who has gotten caught multiple times and may have a more serious problem than others getting suspended for a year. Your or my opinion mean nothing since one more infraction on the weed and he’s the next Josh Gordon. If you or anyone doesn’t think that will play a major part of his value you guys might be on that weed as well.

    I’ve said it multiple times that Martavis has done all what his coaches had asked him to do and he does not let his frustration show on the field in his play. I agree with his frustration with this putrid offense but let’s not get it twisted his beef is with the love the coaches have for JuJu.

    His frustration isn’t about the team not winning nor is it about how the offense can be so much better. So let’s not make Bryant to be a victim or some saint. He’s selfish and for a guy who should be humbled by his past, it’s concerning.

    Yes, Tomlin and the coaches has great things to say about Bryant but Tomlin did also say he wasn’t sure he can help this team. Why? Mindset. Ive listen to Bryant speak to the media for years now and i never believe what he says. This was even before his infractions.

    BTW I like Pouncey but this guy supported Aaron Hernandez a guy despite what you felt was not a very good person. Not comparing Bryant but that’s Pounced. He will support wrong or right

  • francesco

    My feeling is that this is Ben”s last. I want to see us get a mobile quarterback like DWatson who can run for a first down.

  • Darth Blount 47

    I read Bryant’s words very carefully. And I just don’t agree that his words were egregious enough to warrant any hysteria. There was a great video of the game last night, where Bryant and JuJu were sitting on the bench last night right next to each other, laughing their heads off and chatting constantly back and forth. I believe Bryant was talking himself up, NOT tearing JuJu down. The media has a way of planting seeds in people’s head, and then they bloom so fast, they crowd out rational perception.

    I’m not going to get into a “spare the rod – spoil the child” debate. All I will say, is that I support Coach Tomlin. I adore the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I hope whatever tactics Tomlin uses, ultimately have a positive impact. I don’t have to agree with how he dishes out his own brand of “punishment.” But I DO hope that when he does, it is even-handed and worthwhile.

  • BRB4ever

    Limas Sweed and Sammy Coats both had potential and both had lots of good play on tape but in the end, they were both inconsistent. Limas is selling shoes somewhere now and Sammy is in Cleveland hell now until they cut him and he’s out of football. Don’t even get me started on Marcus Wheaton…

  • Darth Blount 47

    You are wrong about the Coates thing. It was all in good fun. The players ALL came out and confirmed that. And there were an article or two on here confirming all that as well. Oh, and by the way, Bryant was right and Coates is rotting away in Cleveland. Lol.

    If Martavis and his “tantrums” can “bring this locker room down,” then how strong of a locker room was it to begin with?!

    I know for a fact that quitting weed gives you some physical dependence withdrawal symptoms, but they manifest in different ways than people realize and yes… they don’t last for all that long. Not compared to other things. It’s relatively minor-ish.

    I agree that they are being very tolerant with Bryant, apparently up to a point. And I do agree that it speaks volumes to how they ultimately feel about him and his potential. Otherwise, they never would have stood by him this long and he’d certainly be traded now that this has gone down. Whether they got hardly anything back or not. I believed that trading Santonio was a bad move because he had the talent to help us win games. And that is the job of the players, HELP US WIN GAMES. One day, when marijuana is re-scheduled as it should have been decades ago, we will all look back at this draconian nonsense and laugh at how we as a society were so duped and heavy-handed with how we treated the people who chose to use it. Strange how we joke about the Native Americans smoking their “peace pipes” and then call people who roll blunts, “druggies.” The hypocrisy and irrationality in this world is mind-boggling.

  • Darth Blount 47

    No, I make the case for the POSSIBILITY for a trade.

    I’m pretty clear that I don’t want nor think it will happen. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t still explore the possibility, including after the comments made by Art and Tomlin that it isn’t going to happen. Just because you make a public declaration like that, doesn’t mean you instruct the secretaries to turn the ringers off on the phones until the deadline tomorrow.

  • Darth Blount 47

    Trust me, I KNOW how hard it is to ignore the constant and incessant blitherings and blatherings made from the trolls. Eventually, you just explode. But I agree with your contention that he should have just looked the other way. ESPECIALLY, when it was coming from “Team-Votto” clearly a Bungles fan, and NOT a Steeler fan. It should have made it easier since the troll in this case was identified, and not a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” like the kind that stalk even the Depot, here.

    Your point about it not being professional is spot-on. I just disagree that Bryant was the one who “dragged JuJu into it,” since the ONLY REASON JuJu was mentioned, is because the troll brought up JuJu first. NOT Bryant. Bryant was simply responding to the troll suggestion that JuJu was better than he. I personally do not believe there was any ill-intention, since JuJu immediately tried to throw some water on the fire, and last night, they were next to each other on the bench laughing and talking a ton.

  • Swap Demarcus Ayers for Rogers or Hunter?

  • rystorm06

    Oh I don’t know, because of crybaby martavis, sammy coates being a bust, and eli ‘not ready for primetime’ rogers showing why he’s a 2nd string slot WR

  • Dan

    I think Bryant has better film than those guys and is recognized as a greater talent. However there’s baggage too, so I wouldn’t put money on any great offers. I wouldn’t put money on him realizing his potential either. Waiver wires are full of guys with potential. High ceiling, low floor with this guy. Hoping for the best.

  • Dan

    Reporters don’t hear “I’m done talking about it” answers. My 7yo daughter has the same issue.

  • Steve Johnson

    Tomlin had every right to discipline Bryant. He could have given the kid a vote of confidence. He stated “I don’t think he can help us.” Well, if that’s the case, why even have him on the roster? Why not say “I hope he can.”

  • Truth Dispensary

    But he has had a problem keeping his head screwed on straight.

  • Alan Tman

    We went 8-8 with Ben and we can go 8-8 without him. We went to the Superbowl with him and without him, so what’s your point?

  • Alan Tman

    I don’t think that was the question, but thanks.

  • Truth Dispensary

    The only reason the Steelers took JuJu in the 2nd Round is because Martavis is 1 strike away from being out permanently. His trade value is only slightly worse than his terrible attitude. He isn’t being traded because there is nothing we can get for him that would justify the trade, so he better get use to being #2B in a 3 man WR crew.

  • Mister Wirez

    …and holding on to the ball. MB has 8 drops on 36 attempts.

  • 太阳三联

    Indeed. He does dumb shxt but that’s ben. He could make legit throws but the amount needs to be limited.

  • Mr jack

    hmmm if that means staying away from smoking those special cigs then yes!

  • Mister Wirez

    When Ben goes it could be decades before the Steelers win another SB. You must not have been around for the Mark Malone, Bubby Brister or Kordell Stewart years? It will get a LOT WORSE than our current “declining” quartback. So, unless they get really lucky and find a diamond in the rough QB, it will get very ugly very fast without #7 around.

  • Alan Tman

    I’ve been watching since 68 or 69 and even now the Steelers always go as their defense goes and nothing will ever change. To tell the truth I will be glad when this 100 million dollar Prima Donna offense that underproduces takes the back seat to the defense again and run the ball down people’s throats. When the team is led by the defense you won’t have all this drama.

  • Conserv_58

    Not true.

  • Mister Wirez

    I do agree on the Primadonna players, its getting very old with the weekly drama.

  • Delboka

    Haha I was just pointing out the 90% of Steelers fans that were frustrated because of this pick up.

  • Conserv_58

    He was also given a vote of confidence by the Steelers front office when they chose not to cut him after his second failed drug test. He was given the benefit of doubt along that he could turn his life around along with being given one last chance to resurrect his NFL career by the NFL. By submitting the Tweets that he did hurt him far more than he realized. The Steelers and JuJu have chosen to move past the unjustified insults. Martavis controld his destiny.

  • gdeuce

    that wasn’t the only reason they took Ju Ju, the play from Eli was sub par too

  • gdeuce

    Ayers burned his bridge here, and is currently not even good enough to be on any team’s practice squad

  • will

    Great point. Thank you

  • will

    I believe that you are correct.

  • francesco

    Better yet…let him go (trade him) so he can show the NFL what a stallion looks like when you have QB that still has it.

  • francesco

    And Coates was not in the plans either.

  • Hec

    It ain’t in good fun and games anymore, now that his pot shots and pokes are actually more personal. At this point, I think that we can both agree JuJu is the better option than Coates either way.

    The reason he won’t can’t bring our locker room down is because of that we have one of the strongest locker room’s in the NFL. And, as you see it got handle…lol

    I don’t know, but I didn’t notice any type of physical withdraws….so yeah, minor-ish.

    I really like the different dimension Bryant Bring to the team, but at this point I don’t believe he’ll see the field again this year. But, then again, I hope that’s not necessarily the case with Martavis. By the way, if they do decide to trade him I hope it’s to the 49ers. I’ll take any draft pick that team has to offer…lmbo

  • He did? How so…I must have missed it! Do you mean because he turned down our practice squad to try to make someone else’s 53? How can you blame him? Or do you mean because he signed with the Pats practice squad after turning down ours? Again, it wasn’t a slight against the Steelers–he had good reason for thinking he could make the Pats 53 once they saw his skill set…since Edelman was lost for the year and they needed a punt returner.

    In the meantime, Rogers continues with the dropsies and Hunter has yet to prove he can do in a game what he did in camp. In my opinion, we NEED a reliable fourth receiver who can catch the d%$m ball and turn upfield!!!

  • Joeybaggadonuts

    I think Mike T is pressing buttons. Hope they work…it only adds to the arsenal!

  • mezzetin1

    That defense isn’t.

  • TrappenWeisseGuy ;

    If there was a nail, you just hit it on the head.

  • Jimbo

    I don’t hate tomlin.I have worked with managers before and that’s what tomlin is. Not a strategy guru on offense or defense. He tasks responsibility to his underlings.
    So as a manager He is very good. As a actual x and o’s coach..no.
    Don’t recall ever seeing tomlin viewing game time photos and making adjustments..
    I also blame him for not forcing fatburger to train and show up ready to play . Ben is lazy it shows in his weight ..can’t figure out why he isn’t motivated to go out a sb champ.
    Without Ben they will suck badly enough where we will wish for his lazy self to be in the game..I did watch the horrible qb play after Bradshaw..it wasn’t as fun to watch..

  • Steeler Nation!

    Overall I would have to agree with you. I think he is a good manager, and I do believe he has brought some positive change to the reshaping of our defense. But as far as in game schemes and adjustments, I am thinking you’re right.
    Ben gets some grief because of his weight. I don’t think he’s lazy. But I am worried about his legs-strength and stability. As it affects his throwing accuracy.

  • Intense Camel

    False…

  • Mark

    Didn’t like that response from MT, the young man needs a boost right now and that’s not it. I do not want to see Rodgers or DHB on the field. Dropped 2 easy TD’s, DHB looked like he was wearing handcuffs. Great leaders get contributions from those that seem lost.

  • SeventhHeavan

    Don’t be stupid and big headed Steelers. Draw a plan for Martavis to get him involved in the offense. He’s too good to be sitting on the bench all year. He is our X factor and will play a huge role on getting the Steelers to the Super Bowl.

  • heath miller

    pay attention please.. as i said i hope we spend a HIGH ROUND DRAFT PICK on a QB THIS YEAR… we have NOT SPENT A HIGH ROUND DRAFT PICK since ben … so follow along… landry wass drafted to be a back up… dobbs to maybe be a stater… and if we draft a HIGH ROUND PICK they will have the best shot to replace ben… dobbs the back up and landry … well bye bye landry … but he is ON THE TEAM because he was drafted as a back up and he is a back up .. so he is ON THE TEAM as you ask as the BACK UP .. NOT THE HEIR TO BENS THROWN… and when we draft his BU or we sign and high profile free agent which is my guess if this is bens last year since we are in WIN NOW mode.. if we draft a high or sign a free agent starter … dobbs will pobably be the back up and landry the sunday inactive 3d stringer … hope you could follow all that because i wont be responding again .. .i knw you like to drag things out with a dozen (or more ) post on the same topic .. thats not me .. sorry … HEATHHHHHHHH

  • Bill

    You have anything besides cliches’? Good leaders are adept at getting the best out of all sorts of personalities. Because you see it, it benefits the leader to do so: player succeeds, team is more successful, coach looks good. As far as ego is concerned, have you seen anyone associated with the Steeler players or organization who exhibits more ego than Mike Tomlin? The man is a poster boy for arrogance.

  • heath miller

    yeah i agree in april people were upset about the JU JU 2nd round pick … agree.. but in current time that % has gone from 90% to probably 10% against his pick .. total flip … kinda like trump was elected by 49% and now has a latest 32% appoval .. so a lot can change in 6 – 12 months ..

  • Bill

    How do you know he can’t be helped. Do you know why he has complained? Maybe, just maybe, he’s justified. I don’t claim to know what has transpired with MB other than he needs to shut up; but what I do know is that after Brown & Ju Ju, Bryant is a far better physical talent than anyone else on the team. What do you have if one of them goes down? Ask yourself this question: If he can be brought back to his former self, do the Steelers get better? Does the coaching staff benefit? Therefore to me it is incumbent on the staff to do what can be done to help this man become a better man and a better player. Football is conflict and everywhere in the history of conflict there are examples of vast improvements cajoled from the same group of people by a simple change in leadership. If that’s true, where was the problem? Maybe he is not recoverable, i don”t know, but I do know the effort needs to be made.

  • NinjaMountie

    I don’t know that he can’t be helped. I do know his history doesn’t exactly leave one with much hope.
    I was replying “no” to your assertions that the coaching staff has failed if they are unable to assimilate Bryant. I’m simply saying that, despite herculean efforts by others, some people just can’t be helped, taught, lead, or made to do anything.
    I agree, the best thing for the team is for AB, MB, and JuJu to be on the field when it’s a 3 wr set. They’ll probably keep trying until the season ends and probably next season if MB doesn’t do anything too stupid. I hope they can get the parts working together.

  • Besd1

    The Lions have given up an average of 24.1 points per game. They gave up exactly 30 once, to the Falcons, with an outlier of 52 in a shootout with the Saints. In the other games they gave up between 7 and 27. Take out the freak Saints game and the average goes down to 19.5. Please tell me, are there other nights they’ve played? If not it seems like you’re just making up stats to fit a bogus narrative.

  • francesco

    Win now?! With how Ben is playing? 20 points a game won’t get you far. Listen catefully as well…remind Ben that if he doesn’t get his sorry act together that there is a backup eager to go. Just the threat of it should ignite a desire in Ben to perform.

  • francesco

    The Lions are not known to be a defensive minded team like the Vikings or the Jaquars or even the Bears. They are known for having Stafford and great WR’s. It is the offense that gets them the W. I’m sure you will find statistics to back this up.

  • Besd1

    Thats all well and good, although if you want stats to prove your thesis you should really go and find them yourself. It is all rather beside the point though as it bears no relation to your original post, or my response to it. I was simply responding to this: ” The Lions give up 30 points a game on most nights!” I provided stats which comprehensively disprove this. That you haven’t responded to this, instead choosing, apparently, to pretend were having a completely different discussion, indicates that either (a) you hate being wrong so much that you retreat into denial (b) you didn’t understand the stats I provided or (c) you have completely forgotten what you said in the first place.

  • francesco

    I will just let you pretend that the Lions are a very good defensive minded team.

  • Besd1

    Did I say that? Look, I’ll make this really easy for you. You posted something that was demonstrably untrue. I demonstrated it was untrue. The end. I’ll leave you to have the rest of this discussion in your head, which is where the bulk of it has taken place anyway. Bye now.

  • francesco

    A team scores 52 points on you as you say and you’re telling me if we disregard this one game the Lions are actually decent. That is your choice to analyze it that way. I choose to look at a teams overall DNA.

  • Ramesh

    I don’t believe MB was clear of his suspension over the summer. Ben’s still getting nicked for not having the work ethic though that Manning or Brady have had

  • Ramesh

    I’d love to see us get another SB. Our reality over these ten years is that the AFC has been dominated by two HoF QBs that are much better students of the game, who work much harder and are more intense than Ben is. I hear he’s competitive but it doesnt seem to show on game day. When he makes mistakes he seems to get more and more frustrated and ‘flustered’ (according to the Jags defense).

  • francesco

    Yea I hear you and I hate to always pick on Ben. But he’s the QB and so he needs to give us more. I want to see him run for a first down. I want him to see the whole field and not half of it. I want him to do quarterback sneak. I want him to pump fake. I want him to study film during the game and not just stand there on the sidelines! I guess I would be asking too much!

  • Ramesh

    not the forum for a debate on marijuana. the only thing relevant to this discussion is whether it’s a banned substance by his employer and their governing body. it is.

  • Ramesh

    No, its not asking too much. As long as he benefits from being referred to as a future HoFer, he should start acting like one. During his pre-game interview Sunday, he talked about playing backyard ball. At this point in his career, his game and perspective of it should have evolved.

  • Ramesh

    MB is not the only member of this team who has been suspended by the League for conduct off the field (Ben and Bell). He’s got a few more playing years ahead of him. Its up to him to decide to decide what he wants to do with them, on and off the field.

  • Ramesh

    You’d think MB has a publicist or agent that should sit him down and explain how this is crushing his value.

  • Darth Blount 47

    You are right, it’s not, because there is NO debate to be had. Alcohol, Cigarettes, and Sugar (Diabetes), kill and ruin more lives every year, than does Mary Jane. So I’ve NEVER heard a logical explanation as to why the US gov has it classified as it does. It’s preposterous. Totally and utterly ludicrous.

  • HondoCogburn

    Relax Francis!

  • heath miller

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO yeah im sure ben is threatened by landry jones…. LMAOOOOOOOOOOO are you serious … ben woudl laugh in yoru face.. so would i and every member on this board.. you need to quit while you are … well behind … LMAOOOOOOOOO ben threatened by landry jones… is this april fools day ? thought it was halloween .. guess not.. HEATHHHHHHHH

  • francesco

    So what’s your solution?
    Have Ben continue as is?

  • Alan Tman

    If you are the leader how can you say people aren’t ready if you are the only one who can get them ready? Plus that would not be a Steeler function, so Martavis should be allowed to attend.

  • Ramesh

    seriously, i’m not arguing with you on that.