Steelers Vs Ravens: Winners/Losers


Beating the Baltimore Ravens and it feels so good. Recapping the Pittsburgh Steelers’ winners/losers.

WINNERS

Le’Veon Bell – Bell looked like the guy we’ve always known. His 186 yards from scrimmage is a career high against the Ravens’ physical defense. Credit to blocking who helped open things up but Bell ran with burst, physicality, and his trademark patience. That’ll make him, and fans, feel a whole lot better moving forward.

Mike Hilton – Hilton’s coming out party. He’s been the full-time slot receiver since Week Two but today was his best game. Three tackles, a sack, and a pick. Coaching staff identified the talent last year and it’s paid off.

Ryan Shazier – Shazier can be hit and miss but today was much more of the former. While the Ravens were able to rip off a couple nice runs, Shazier was a constant backfield headache. Tackling much cleaner after missing a team-high four in last week’s debacle. He had another INT, which was a fantastic play we’re breaking down in the morning, and his tip created Hilton’s pick. Great day.


JuJu Smith-Schuster Eli Rogers is going to have a tough time getting a helmet again. It feels like JuJu has better chemistry with Roethlisberger than Rogers has ever shown on a consistent basis. Everything is on time and Smith-Schuster has shown the ability to work well in scramble drills. He’s also quick to the tuck and gets upfield, a crucial trait for a slot receiver.

Involved in the blocking game again, he decelerated an OLB on Bell’s first TD. Lot of fun to watch. With some sweet celebrations, too.

Sean Davis – The first play may have been his worst, it looks like he was in the wrong on the big run to start things, but Davis was steady the rest of the way. Doing a better job of coming to balance as a tackler while still dishing out a blow. Five tackles, a pass breakup, and the Ravens didn’t get the chance to go over the top in the passing game.

Cam Heyward – Heyward feasted on LG James Hurst, a man who surely hates playing against the Steelers. A pair of sacks and a forced fumble is definitely the right way to bounce back from last week’s loss. He’s still the anchor of that defensive line.

TJ Watt – Watt wasn’t as dominate as some of the other names on this list but it was good to have him back. He was impressive in coverage, forcing one third down incompletion, played the run well, and check out his effort on the 50 yard run Baltimore ripped off. Chased it from the farside and ended up making the tackle.

Ramon Foster – First, for not being penalized, the only starting linemen who can state that claim. But he blocked well too, being used as the backside puller just as often as David DeCastro to leas the way for Bell, including on his first TD. Foster pulled back-to-back plays. As steady as they come and today proved it.

LOSERS

OL Penalties – It’s hard to put a blanket statement to the offensive line for everything.  DeCastro and Foster created running lanes. But the penalties were frequent and costly. Six in total with Chris Hubbard and DeCastro being flagged twice. Alejandro Villanueva’s headbutt was idiotic and uncharacteristic. Also…probably painful.

They doubled the number of penalties from the first three weeks in one game.

JJ Wilcox – Wilcox wasn’t terrible but man, his ability to fill the alley is ugly. Got stiff-armed by Alex Collins on a 50 yard run one week after getting stiff-armed by Jordan Howard on a similar play. He’ll throw his weight around but you want to talk about some bad angles…Wilcox has struggled. Finished the day with a pair of tackles.

Chris Boswell/Jordan Berry – Not the best day for the specialists. Boswell booted one from 49 yards out but hooked a 44 yarder wide left. Berry averaged 37.5 yards per punt, only one of those falling inside the 20. Better days ahead for those two.

Vance McDonald – He seemed to do a decent job as a blocker but had another drop, a particularly bad one too, and still hasn’t caught a pass all year. One was negated by a DeCastro hold.

 

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  • DarthYinzer

    26-9 seems like a dominating win…but it was’nt. STILL way too many penalties, came out flat as a pancake from halftime. Luckily the ravens are not a good offensive team.

  • CP72

    Mike Hilton is what Golson was supposed to be.

    Welcome back Lev Bell and the running game!!

  • Can’t argue with this list. Lot’s of good stuff happened today, but there is still some kinks to work out.

    Overall, I’m happy with the 17 point victory in Baltimore.

  • #7

    Uh. Yes. It was. Baltimore was never within a score the entire 2nd half.

  • CP72

    Yep take a W in Baltimore in any way, shape, or form…..

  • NinjaMountie

    I agree again. You’ll take heat for Davis, though.

  • Chris92021

    Loser: me for thinking our struggles were going to continue in M&T. I haven’t been this happy about being wrong in a while.

    I still don’t trust Big Ben on the road and Todd Haley, Keith Butler, and Danny Smith to come up with the best game plan for each of their units but today was a bold statement. We won in Baltimore for the first time in 5 years. I am going to enjoy eating crow for the rest of the week.

  • #7

    Bell is washed up right?

  • StolenUpVotes

    My man Mike Hilton doing work

  • CP72

    Rosie Nix could maybe get a vote or two.

  • StolenUpVotes

    Take away one long run and a BS int ruling and this game is never even in question.

  • Some of the bad stuff is still Steelers beating Steelers. The Penalties, especially from the O line but overall need to be halved and the run defense can’t give up explosive plays.

  • nicolaisim

    McDonald belongs in the losers column for the drops, but his blocking was outstanding.

  • Roberto Vaquero Bazán

    I was about to name it, What a difference make The i formation wit Nix blocking!

  • MP

    Loser: Todd Haley. Just because he drove me nuts.

  • Bradys_Dad

    Yes we won, yes the LBs did an above average job but I still call out Coach Joey for not giving Deebo his reps. What are you afraid of Joey? Is JH going to further minimize your legacy? Do you have a personal beef with JH? C’mon man, let the fiercest warrior on that D play ball! Where’s that Joey that once got on a Baltimore bus and called out the opponent? In my book, Joey is a loser again – whether win or lose. OK, feel free to trash me now.

  • John Noh

    Losers: Zebras. I still don’t get that “Int”.

  • StolenUpVotes

    JH didn’t have a helmet today

  • #7

    I don’t disagree. It was far from perfection, but did you read the game thread? A 17 point victory AT BALTIMORE was treated like a 30 point loss against Sam Houston St.

  • CP72

    Yeah there’s some splaning to do on that one.

  • Chris92021

    He still needs to be replaced ASAP. I am getting tired of the team winning in spite of him.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    Goodell has instructed referees to make calls against Steelers to keep the base captivated,

  • Nunya

    Winner: me for not having to listen to crap from Ravens fans the next couple weeks!

  • steeltown

    Love this Hilton kid. And Davis looked much improved.

    Our DL is looking dominant

  • treeher

    We won … not because we’re that good, but because the Rats are that bad.

  • I don’t need to see it. Posters on here have unrealistic expectations. They want the Steelers to win 50+ to 0 every week. I don’t know why…

    I agree this game was never in question.

  • Rocksolid20

    They trashed a beat up , patched together Ravens OL .

  • Bradys_Dad

    My point exactly – this is BS.

  • #7

    Loser: The meatball Bengals fan sitting behind us today giddy after blowing out Cleveland and thinking his team has a shot.

  • CP72

    Yeah Heyward, Tuiit, and Hargrave are really a handful.

  • MP

    Just drove me nuts all day. Especially the runs on 3d and Calcutta.

  • steeltown

    Minus last weeks game, they’ve looked great.

  • Danielsteelstrong81

    Pouncey winner I saw him pull couple of times and do some good things

  • Bryan Ischo

    Loser: James Harrison’s already bruised ego. Did he even play a snap?

  • dhorst88

    At this point, I don’t really care because all bets are off against the Rats. I’m just happy we got the win today!

  • steeltown

    Actually inactive… such a crime

  • dhorst88

    kinda ironic

  • dhorst88

    ALWAYS

  • CP72

    People might have to come to grips with the fact that Deebo is the 4th best OLB on this team and doesn’t play special teams.

  • Bryan Ischo

    It’s criminal that they’re sending him out with a whimper instead of a bang.

  • John Westbrook

    Where is Todd Haley at on the loser list. 2nd half was terrible.

  • WilliamSekinger

    He was also ill on Friday and missed practice because of it.

  • Not BS, the young guys are playing well enough to make Harrison sit a bit. That’s a good thing. No longer is a 39 year old LBer the best we have. I love Harrison for his contributions to this team over the years, but father time is undeafeated.

  • NinjaMountie

    Wait!! We won? I couldn’t tell as I got all my info from the game thread. 🙂

  • CP72

    Not if Ben hits a wide open Bryant…..

  • steeltown

    I would’ve sat Moats over Harrison

  • #7

    “The worst 3-1 team in football history”

  • Rusted Out

    Yea a run on 3rd down in a 3 wr set. Sent a wideout in motion then ran stretch to the other side??? WTF?

  • Ravens Team Gynecologist

    Me too. I’ll admit, I picked Baltimore to win in my FB pool. Same on me.

  • It’s unreal…

  • RickM

    I thought it was a good team effort and a pretty easy win. I’ll never criticize a 17-point win on the road. And we gained a game on the Patriots, a major bonus.

  • NinjaMountie

    How dare we not win by 70 points

  • Bastiat

    I believe Harrison has the flu. He was scratched because he is ill.

  • CP72

    You can’t cause the 4th OLB has to contribute on special teams….only so many helmets.

  • steeltown

    I hope that was the case

  • WilliamSekinger

    I’ll take a 3-1 record after 3 of 4 games on the road no matter how the games are won. I had the Steelers 2-2 to start the season. road games have been this team’s kryptonite for years.

  • Rusted Out

    Agreed, and he is still very under utilized IMO.

  • If we got fans crying over this victory, I wonder how bad the Pats fans are taking their loss…

  • WilliamSekinger

    Meteorites are falling in Boston I’ve heard.

  • steeltown

    Moats doesnt play on ST as much as he used to… maybe im wrong this week but…

  • NinjaMountie

    They probably aren’t stressed at all.

  • CP72

    Good point tough to win on the road.

  • #7

    No it’s more like “how dare we not win by 70 points, have 800 yards of total offense, limit the other team to -60 and beat them so badly the entire team folds up operations afterward”

  • steeltown

    And 2-0 in the division

  • Bravo!

  • StolenUpVotes

    The Pats and Jets have the same record after the first month of football………moral of the story? It is early. Expecting this team to be a finished product starting at week 1 is being openly ignorant.

  • Steve Johnson

    I still like Wilcox over Mitchell; Vance McDonald = 1st/2nd Rd TE next April. I like what Tuitt and Heyward did, but the Run Defense should also be on the losers list.

  • RickM

    How about the times he did hit Bryant with some great throws 20 yards down the field. Oh, I forgot, those don’t count with 50% of this fanbase.

  • Danny Porter

    You forgot Haley is the losers list

  • StolenUpVotes

    Why? Take away one explosive run and that team has a whopping 39 yards on 14 carries……does this team need to find a way to limit the explosive runs? Absolutely, but to slap them on the losers list over one play when the rest of the body of work painted a much different picture is silly

  • Completely agree. Still it’s fun to see the Pats loose. Their defense might be the worst that Belichick has ever fielded.

  • StolenUpVotes

    lol

  • Tim Zernick

    Winning in Baltimore, got to love it.

  • #7

    AB had a rare stinker. He cost the team 3 points with that INT ( although dubious) and another 2 with a drop on the 2 point play. I think he’s earned a pass though. But so has Ben and so has Bell, although the latter 2 don’t seem to get a pass from much of the fan base here.

  • Bradys_Dad

    I won’t argue intelligent logic. You are correct. However the games are long and the ROLB position gets gassed quite a bit. I see no reason to not slide in a healthy JH in Q4 and let him wreak havoc with his strength and experience readily available. It’s not like the opposition is going to bring in a second string LT that can handle his rush. Yes I am a JH fan through and through and my commentary is bit more emotional than logical but this game isn’t 100% logical either.

  • Kevin Reich

    Ben looks like just a guy. Middle of the pack QB. It’s going to be tough to win a Superbowl if he doesn’t play better.

  • SilverSteel

    The Pats loss makes this win double sweet.

  • capehouse

    I didn’t agree at first either but it goes back to the old saying, the ground can’t cause a fumble but it can cause an incompletion. Just turned out that incompletion was an interception.

  • RickM

    It gets so old. He puts up 164 yards passing in the first half as we scoot to an easy 19-0 lead and his critics just pay attention to the 2nd half when Haley took the O out of their rhythm with his conservative play calling. Ben had a terrible day in Chicago IMO, but he played much better and smarter today.

  • Michael Conrad

    Berry is not very good. Can’t believe we can never find a punter better then him.

  • John Phillips

    Hilton – slot corner, not receiver

  • Ken Krampert

    Nix was solid on the sweep blocking today. Haden is terrible in run support. Still not sure about this secondary. They appear better, but we have played very anemic pass offenses.

  • JohnB

    Tuitt is an understated winner

  • AndyR34

    I can’t exactly disagree, but…I was expecting a loss, so I’m grateful for a less then stellar win.

  • That is and outlandish statement. Berry is the pest punter we’ve had since maybe Chris Gardocki, besides we won a Super Bowl with Mitch Berger…

  • RickM

    Agree, I thought it would be another 4th quarter rally and win by Brady. But Carolina drove down the field late and Gano delivered the dagger with his final 47-yarder. Fantastic!

  • StolenUpVotes

    It is ridiculous. This was a defense that had forced 8 INTs heading into today. The only one they got off our guy was some BS interpretation of the NFL catch rule. Ben did a good job being patient. He made plays when they were there and he checked it down when they weren’t…….you know just like those who constantly criticize him want him to lol

  • AndyR34

    I like my crow with horseradish and a side of habaneros.

  • capehouse

    What was wrong with Mitch? Very good punter, plus he played at Colorado with a lot of future Steelers.

  • #7

    Berry was fantastic last year. He’s had a couple of meh games here early on, but yeah. Not ready to go punter searching just yet.

  • StolenUpVotes

    He took three steps after tucking the ball before going to the ground. He was down by contact. That was a botched call

  • StolenUpVotes

    Mitch Berger played on pulled hammys did he not? lol

  • Rusted Out

    In what way is it ironic? I see zero irony in Hilton taking over the slot.

  • AndyR34

    Hard to tell if he is no longer the best we have without significant game reps.

  • JohnB

    Mitch Berger was one of the best Steeler names.

  • capehouse

    Think he bobbled it right before going to the ground if I remember correctly. Ball moved at some point.

  • StolenUpVotes

    After his knee had made contact

  • Steve Johnson

    No, he’s not washed up, but I don’t think he’s worth $12M a season.

  • Rusted Out

    Did anyone catch the joke that the TV announcer made on the Raven’s failed 2 pt conversion? While it was under review… “I think they’re going to rule this one an interception” LOL

  • It’s ironic because we used a 2nd round pick on Golson who couldn’t make it to one pre season game. And his college teammate who was undrafted and was cut by the Jags and the Pats ends up taking the position the FO envisioned Golson would be manning.

  • Jonathan Ferullo

    Ultimately I’ll just say that it was good to watch a game where the Steelers made steady progress (for the most part) during the game, and seemed to play until the end. Some lulls maybe, but overall a good game vs a rival. The offense still is worrisome in that I have been told, and keep getting told its a high powered system that scores billions of points. 26 points is pretty good against a solid defense, so the coming weeks will tell us what is really going on I suppose.

    TJ Watt….man that kid looks solid.

  • Steve Johnson

    Better than last week, but still gave a 50+ yard run. That has got be fixed. They play Jacksonville next week.

  • Reg Sayhitodabadguy Hunt

    he’s sick didn’t ruled inactive for the game

  • I say let the young guys play, they are the future at the position. They will only get better with reps, especially Watt. Every rep Harrison steals inhibits his development.

  • RevDrEBuzz

    “Watt wasn’t as dominate” Dominant! 😉

  • Steelsmoke

    Loser Big Ben and Haley. No check down or intermediate passing. All these weapons and no one to run them.

  • Steelsmoke

    We played to thier strengths all game and didn’t exploit them.

  • Romel Roze

    That is because the Ravens suck as evident by their beat down last week by Jacksonville who lost to the Jets. With A competent offense the Steelers should have put a similar beating on the Ravens like the Jags did.

    Big Ben should be on the loser list because he was not good again. You can stick a fork in the Steelers unless Ben does a 180.

    He is below average on the road. We only have a chance playing at home. He has terrible vision and make bad decisions. His time is about up. They better get a QB. In will be surprised if Ben comes back next year. His skills has eroded.

  • #7

    You can’t be serious with this…

  • Welcome to SteelersDepot, lol.

  • #7

    Ok. That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, no matter how misguided and deluded it may be.

  • Alex K

    Glad to get a win but still not a complete game. Both sides of the ball can get a lot better than this.

  • #7

    It’s amazing. This fan base can be embarrassing often times. Never used to be this much toxicity

  • #7

    No it wasn’t perfect, but they won pretty easily in Baltimore playing less than perfect. That’s what you should be optimistic about. The fact that this team still hasn’t put it all together, but yet are 3-1 with 2 road division wins. The sky is the limit for this crew.

  • Romel Roze

    What part is misguided? The fact that the Ravens suck and is not a good team?

    The fact that Ben is below average on the road and our only chance to go far is playing at home, especially if Bell doesn’t dominate.

    Or the fact that Ben has poor field vision and make poor decisions?

    Or the one where I said I believe Ben will not be back next year?

    Or maybe you are just clueless

  • Lil Smitty

    That usually happens when we play Cleveland at the end of the year.

  • Katie

    Well alright then!

  • Jason Kelley

    Was that a hadouken by JuJu?

  • John A Stewart

    Haley Haley Haley Haley Haley Haley he is freakin unbelievable . His play calling was so predictable it’s like he’s confusing himself.It’s no way we gonna get far with him this is an attacking offense and he’s not doing it.I hate too say it but sometimes I miss Bruce Ariens imagine him with all
    these toys.

  • AustinTxStillerFan

    +1 for Hilton because of the high football IQ he showed in going down after the INT. Secured the change of possession when others might have tried to run back and gotten stripped from behind.

  • Henry Michael

    I don’t Haley offense protects Big Ben better

  • dhorst88

    Yup

  • FATCAT716

    Never ever

  • FATCAT716

    That was a game changer

  • FATCAT716

    Guy’s be so mad when we win

  • FATCAT716

    Long season

  • Yea, it’s unbelievable this year. Were are 3-1 but you would think we went 0-4 through the first month by reading the posts.

    Interesting year so far, Bills are 3-1 and the Pats and Jets are both 2-2. KC remains the leagues only unbeaten but if Washington plays like they did last week, it should be a great game tonight. The AFC West probably send 3 teams to the playoffs this year. I don’t know what to make of the AFC south as all those teams are hot and cold except an unlucky Indy (pun intended). Maybe the biggest story out of the NFC is the Rams are 3-1.

    Man I love football!

  • FATCAT716

    Thank u.

  • lyke skywalker

    I love me some Juju. Mighty impressive for a 20 year old KID. He can’t even have a beer yet!!!

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    Kamehameha, he said so to Missi after the game. But honest mistake!

  • lyke skywalker

    Losers: Patriots!!!!

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Exactly. Ben was barely above 50 percent. Haley in the 3rd quarter and most of the fourth was run run run punt. Haley needs to go. We had very little offense in second half of the game.

  • Justin Warrenfeltz

    Steelers fans know this team has talent enough to be blowing out these teams and NOT losing to teams like the Bears. That’s where the frustration comes from. I’m of the opinion that I don’t think this team has the mettle to put together a Super Bowl run in the Playoffs, but I’d love to be proven wrong.

  • GravityWon

    Win in Baltimore….the entire team is on the WINNER list.

  • John A Stewart

    I said sometimes

  • Michael Mosgrove

    He has the flu.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    They were down 17 players. Not exactly impressive.

  • razaard2

    Dominant, definitely
    Baltimore only scored because of that weird interception call that should have gone the other way.
    They broke some big plays but their offense never really presented any threat

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Ball moved after his first knee hit.

  • Hyped Up Hypocycloid

    Some friendly advice. A team who dominATEs is DomiNANT.

  • RickM

    He went 18-30 with an absolute drop by MacDonald. That’s 60%, even with the drop included.

    As for little O in the second half, yes Haley was conservative. But New England, Atlanta and Dallas all lost AT HOME today. Why some in our fanbase just have to find something to whine about after a 17-point road win is beyond me.

  • DSG

    Agreed completely. Its not that we are unhappy with winning its that we are expressing concern about the teams ability to get to and win the super bowl. This isn’t the browns depot so we won’t be satisfied without going to the super bowl- especially with all the talent on the team

  • razaard2

    Wreak it is a BEAST. Flacco will have nightmares with him tonight. Plus heywards scored 12.5 points for my fantasy team lol
    Juju looks ready to take the slot role. Very, very good player

  • SteelersGeek4Lyfe

    Loser: Big Ben… he missed Martavis 10 yards deep on an easy touchdown, Martavis blew the lid off and Ben straight up missed him. More forced throws to AB in triple coverage. Idk, not a great showing in my opinion.

  • Rusted Out

    I couldn’t be happier with finding Hilton and having him man the slot. The Steelers have not had 3 strong corners in a decade.

  • Yea well, you don’t win the Super Bowl in September. This team isn’t a finished product yet, and neither is any other team in the league.

    This team hasn’t peaked yet. The hope is they show steady improvement until Thanksgiving and be hitting on all cylinders after that.

  • You can also throw in that AB INT as a drop too.

  • Rusted Out

    I counted one defensive lineman on the Raven’s 2 point conversion attempt. Can anyone confirm? If so, why???

  • Ni mo

    Ben is done and people need to realize that he can’t read defenses and makes poor decisions

  • Daniel Sauritch

    Rosie Nix looked like a winner to me

  • Pack

    Alex can you please write something about Rosie Nix this week he’s so under valued and he had a tremendous day today and I haven’t seen any recognition for it.

  • Biggie

    Always good to win in Baltimore so will take it. This team however is far from being a contender. No emotion, to many mistakes, horrible playcalling. Once again played down to competition because Ravens are not a good team and we have not played a good team or QB yet. Oh did I mention horrible playcalling, just checking.

  • RickM

    You must be psychic. I was just thinking that. If MacDonald and AB catch pretty easy ones, he’s at 67%. He was much sharper mentally than last week and a number of his throws down the middle were right on the mark.

    Just reading the most recent comment above, when did so many in our fanbase become so incredibly negative? Maybe they always were.

  • Ni mo

    Just like ben

  • Steelsmoke

    Could not be more serious. They stacked the box repeatedly and we had no answer. If you think that we are not predictable you should look at stat sheet. OC is living in his fears. We are an OC dream let’s mix it up.

  • pittfan

    When Todd Haley missed a wide open Todd Haley for an easy TD i knew it was time to fire him.

  • NinjaMountie

    Again, not his best game but no where near the losers list.

  • Luis Grove

    Vance caught his first pass, prior to the drop!

  • Ni mo

    Ben later like crap

  • Jaybird

    I thought he had a catch called back due to penalty

  • NinjaMountie

    Thank you. The “every game” Ben is a loser moaning and groaning must commence.

  • Steelsmoke

    OC is living in his fears and Big Ben is feeling it, to the point of living it to . His accuracy and discission making is on nightmare street.

  • Beaver Falls Hosiery

    Winners – Baltimore fans as they see how Men win games.

  • Jaybird

    Put Haden on the winners list. The guy has been nothing but solid and steady all year. What an upgrade over Cockrell.

  • Brandon Watson

    And who is a contender Biggie!?!?! We’re at week 4 of the NFL … which at this point last year had us beat down by Philly already and about to enter a tail spin ONLY to end with an 8-game win streak that had us talking SB. I mean, dang-gone … a win at Baltimore and out comes the arm chair coaches and players, quick to put their NFL experience insight into the mix.

  • SteelersGeek4Lyfe

    79.3 passer rating… I know it can be a flawed statistic but he didn’t really pass the eye test on this one either. Today was a replacement level performance by a HOF quarterback.

  • Don

    Ben’s career would already be over if Arians never left

  • NinjaMountie

    sigh. he had 60 percent completion with drops. He had a ton of great throws. He did miss MB on that one deep ball toward the end.
    I’m all for saying it wasn’t a great game by him but “nightmare street” is absolutely outlandish.

  • Don

    As much as I like Watt, I thought Dupree was more active today. Especially early on.

  • Conserv_58

    IMO, Ben should be on the losers list because he did not have a good day. He was over throwing receivers and he never saw a wide open AB in the left flat when he chose instead to throw to Bell to the right side of the line. AB should have been Ben’s first read on that play yet Ben overlooked him. Ben’s pass completions vs his attempts were quite pedestrian too. AB was visibly upset when he got to the sideline.

    Loser: The second half offense. They were gawd awful. The play calling was awful. Too many three and outs. Consistently running Bell on first down when the ravens knew it was coming was infuriating. Going three and out after the defense got a turnover was inexcusable. It seemed like they were playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Yes, a win in Baltimore is a good day, but the caveat being they should have won considering the raven’s offense is that atrociously bad.

    The defense bailed out the offense, big time, today.

  • NinjaMountie

    Yeah, that passer rating was HIGHLY impacted by that bogus INT that didn’t happen.
    He has several great throws.

  • NinjaMountie

    Welcome to another edition of Bashing Ben.

  • Conserv_58

    Ben earned it today.

  • NinjaMountie

    Of course he did. lol

  • LOL

  • Don

    I was really confused about the one where he missed a wide open AB. It sure looked like that was he designed play, so why did he bail on it so quickly to dump it off? Aside from that, Ben was mostly handled like a rookie, just trying to avoid mistakes. A sweep on 3rd and 8?

  • Conserv_58

    He also completely failed to see a very wide open AB in the left flat when AB should have been his first read. That was inexcusable.

  • Brandon Watson

    I’ll say this about the AB miss … I won’t be a hypocrite b/c today was one of the first road games in a while where BB seemed to not stand there for 6-7 seconds waiting for AB or Martavis to break free and allowing the inevitable sack or strip sack to take place. He was actually getting rid of the ball in a timely fashion, but yea … that was frustrating. I think we should be careful as fans b/c the man has made it so routine and look so easy for so many years … I actually see fans on here moaning about how he sucks and is a loser and so on. Disappointing!! I will take him any day .. still!!

    We need to remember .. we aren’t the ones standing behind 6’8, 300+ lb tackles trying to spy a small fry like AB breaking free with a 3-second clock at about 3.5 seconds and counting. lol

  • They stacked the box, and they ran Bell predictably and he still had a big day, weird…

  • Steelsmoke

    I understand that he was under duress, but the play calling and exacution should be fitting of the talent on the field. I want Big Ben on that feild he gives us our best chance just feel like we are not maximize ing. To say the least.

  • NinjaMountie

    That wasn’t a designed play. He was already bailing out of the throw by the time AB broke open.

  • NinjaMountie

    If you want to complain about the play calling, I’m with you. Well, for the most part.
    While Ben might not have been great today, he wasn’t bad. That’s my point. It was an adequate game by him.

  • Steeldog22

    It’s the definition of irony.

  • Conserv_58

    That’s all well and good, but I think Ben had a less than stellar day today to go along with his less than stellar first four games.

  • Brandon Watson

    I’m with ya man. Geez man! I was watching a comment section on SteelersWire or one of our sites … and it was hilarious (but not really, actually really annoying) to watch the temperament of the fans in there go from “this team sux and worst coaching and can’t get up for blah blah blah” … the usual ridiculous cliches. Then a Shazier INT here and a Dupree sack there and a LevBell clinching TD and it’s … “NFL be warned” and stuff. lol

  • Steelsmoke

    Word

  • NinjaMountie

    I know. How dare he miss someone. He must be prefect to not be considered a loser.

    C’mon man, have you ever seen anyone play a perfect game?

  • SteelersGeek4Lyfe

    Fair. He obviously had some good throws. I do think that was an INT but that it was entirely not his fault. I just see what Bortles was able to do to these guys last week, and how he still had some persistent mental and accuracy errors despite having strong ground support this week. I guess I have really high expectations for him.

  • Conserv_58

    Wow! That’s harsh criticism. Ben has no looked like himself this season so far, but he certainly can read defenses.

  • Steeldog22

    Yeah it was just a bad call. I think they got the Ravens 2 pt call wrong too, but maybe it was payback.

  • Sdale

    One thing I would say Romel is that even when the Ravens aren’t a good football team, they usually bring their A game to play us, especially in their stadium where our record is not very good. So I think this is a better win than it would be if we just beat a normal crappy team. I think this is a better win than we’re giving them credit for. That is not to say there weren’t plenty of warts, and some of the specifics that you provided are true.

  • Don

    That would make Ben’s reaction more understandable, for sure. But they need to put it in the playbook then. Ducking inside underneath the other receiver then breaking up could put him one on one with the safety. Or wide open like today.

  • NinjaMountie

    Again, I’m not saying he blew it out of the water of even had a good game for him. Average…but average isn’t loser. Losers do things to lose games. He did things to win it. Great TD pass to JuJu. Multiple, challenging 3rd down throws.

  • Conserv_58

    I expect an elite QB to see recognize his first read and make the throw, especially when it’s the #1 receiver in the league.

  • Riding the roller coaster!

  • Brandon Watson

    I think fans thinking too highly about their ability to decipher what goes on during an NFL game is why us Steeler fans end up bickering after quality road win against our biggest rival in a stadium we haven’t won in since 2012.

  • Steelsmoke

    Yeah he will last 4 more games up the middle and be ready for the play off game.

  • Sdale

    The officiating the last two weeks has been ridiculous.

  • Steelsmoke

    What happened to timing routes or side line throws. Barely used the middle of the field.

  • NinjaMountie

    I just want one person that usually bashes him to say, “Meh, not a great game but he was okay.”
    I would be overjoyed to see an honest assessment.

  • Conserv_58

    Heyward, Hilton and Shazier were ballin’ out today.

  • Romel Roze

    I think Ben knows his skills are eroding and that is why he contemplated retiring. He does not scan the field very well and is missing easy throws.

    He had MB for a long TD again that he miseed and he never even looked AB’s way where he got wide open for another long easy score.

  • Brandon Watson

    I will say this … I bet not a fan watching on tv noticed it until the announcers noticed it AFTER the play. I didn’t hear them pipe up during the play about a wide open AB.

  • Sdale

    I feel terrible for Golson. I hope he can find a way to resurrect his career. To think of having your dream come true to make it to the NFL and then have it ripped out from under you…it’s got to be depressing.

  • NinjaMountie

    What play are you talking about?

  • Yes, he doubles as their full back. Hillgrove and Tunch talked about it when he was in there during the game

  • Conserv_58

    You had the gall to pick against the Steelers knowing how pathetic the ravens’ offense is?

  • Sdale

    I think he will be if he stays healthy through the playoffs.

  • RickM

    You have ‘fans’ who have no objectivity. What do you expect? He had 164 yards passing and 19 points in the first half despite all the penalties that set the O back. That was an excellent half. And then Haley went all conservative in the second half.

    I’ve really never seen anything like it. As he approaches retirement, you get more and more fans bashing him. I can easily say that he was really bad last week…and much, much better this week. But some fans would choke before they would acknowledge that.

  • Romel Roze

    Exactly

  • capehouse

    The bobble I saw is when Jimmy Smith comes in for the hit and swats the ball. The ball moves at that point, so any step that happens before that point is nullified. After AB controls it again he takes 1 step and as the other foot comes down he’s rolling to the ground, so once he’s considered going to the ground he must maintain control of the ball, and he doesn’t. I don’t like it, but if you break it down as the rulebook states it was the right call, although I doubt many Steelers fans will agree.

  • Conserv_58

    Of course they weren’t because they were watching Ben the whole time. I’m sure they saw AB’s sideline outburst though.

  • Brandon Watson

    I just want us to enjoy a great win and recognize … like … we aren’t NFL players nor coaches nor talent evaluators. Recognize there’s something way above how much football we’ve played in our youth or watched on tv at that level, which is why a guy like Reggie Bush can come in and look like Joe Smith. It’s not easy. There are not true crap teams. The best talent from 100s of universities are condensed down to a few and there is a lot of talent on all teams …

  • Its really funny, fans give Ben crap for locking onto AB the past few weeks to the point where he actually admits to it. Now he didn’t go to him enough, sigh!

    The guy can’t win, unless it’s on the football field…

  • NinjaMountie

    (copied from my reply to another of your posts)
    I thought the initial game plan was awesome with the RB and TE screens. Then we did none of the things that you do when screen games are working.
    I loved the win. However, and you know I rarely complain, Haley’s play calling in the 2nd half made me sick to my stomach.

  • Steelsmoke

    Defense is starting to out play offense. Been a long time since that has happened. Big Ben gotta snap outta funk. Rat Birds have bad azz secondary but could a set them up a couple of times in stead of being predictable. Have to start pulling a Costanza.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’m wondering if he’s talking about that play where AB squirted out of his slant route and broke open.

  • Conserv_58

    It was one play, but it was a play when there was no raven’s defender within five yards of AB.

  • Don

    One, someone watching it on TV wouldn’t see it because it’s off screen. Two, I would expect a veteran QB to notice when his All-World WR has half the field to himself.

    That said, I don’t consider myself to be a Ben basher. I’m just frustrated with the lack of execution so far this year, and even more so, the very conservative approach they’re taking. It was great seeing Bell break out, especially against Baltimore. But Ben should be making more hay with the weapons at his disposal.

  • Even with those two plays, I never felt like this game was in question.

  • Carl Mendelius

    Without his escapability/mobility Ben is just ordinary and it won’t be enough to go to the SB. My early prediction for the SB after just 4 games: Denver vs Green Bay.

  • Romel Roze

    Missing WIDE OPEN WR’s for TD’s is a big deal. They are put points on the board plays that build confidence and gains momentum.

    When you miss those plays on 3rd and 3 and then have to punt it is demoralizing.

    The point is Big Ben is struggling regardless if you want to admit it or not.

  • I’m with you, but it’s a ball that AB has to hang onto all the same. He make that catch 9999 out of 10k times.

  • Conserv_58

    Other than his penalty for head butting I’d like to thank AV for allowing us to not see Suggs celebrating a sack on Ben.

  • Don

    I thought the screens were smart to offset the pressure. But I hoped it would lead to some more open play. Never happened really until driving at the end of the half.

    And I’m totally with you about the second half. If they were going to go so conservative, they might as well have put in Dobbs or Jones, and not risked an injury to Ben.

  • NinjaMountie

    I hadn’t thought of that and I agree. Hate that guy.

  • Romel Roze

    Ben miss big plays that could have puts the game away. Instead he let bad teams like the Ravens hang around letting them believe they have a chance. Instead of blowing this team out and resting your starters they play the entire game. Bell had 35 carries. That will hunt them later in the year. A franchise QB do not consistently have these types of struggles on the road. He has been average and everyone outside the burgh clearly see his is a bad QB on the road.

  • Steelsmoke

    oh wait our receivers are too fast and too tall to throw a fade route or crossing route in the end zone.

  • Alex K

    I don’t think our record says very much at this point. We beat two terrible ohio teams, then lost to a team that completed 1 pass before beating a Ravens team that has been gutted by injuries.

    Personally I think we’ve played average ball so far this season.

  • francesco

    Yes but the Pats lost to two good teams KC and now Panthers. Even with 14 points down Pats managed to tie the game today. I say they are still favored to win it all again.

  • NinjaMountie

    I’m watching the Oakland game. RBs that wear long sleeve baggy cotton shirts always worry me carrying the ball.

  • NinjaMountie

    I like GB from the NFC…I have no clue for the AFC. If I had to pick right now I’d probably go KC.

  • The Sun is Pro-Black

    Lmaooo

  • Steelsmoke

    That’s right the Patriots gave everyone our game tape from 2014

  • Romel Roze

    If it was not a constant theme that has carried over for a few years now you would be right. But the fact that we struggle on the road, especially against bad teams is due to mediocre QB play. The OC is not doing the team any favors either, but if the FRANCHISE QB hit WIDE OPEN WR’s it wouldn’t look as bad.

  • Edjhjr

    I always complain, but today big win in flyingratville

  • LHW

    He was sick, did not practice Friday.

  • Romel Roze

    Right, but if you are a SB contender it shouldn’t be tough to win on the road against bad teams.

  • Romel Roze

    The D-coordinator should be on the loser list because of his pathetic defensive alignments

  • RickM

    I agree that Haley leaves a lot to be deserved as a play-caller when he has a 2 or even 3 score lead. Even with a full half of football left, he lets up and goes very conservative. And that plays right into the hands of the trailing team. It’s a major flaw that he has. It’s also the reason the Steelers will never average 30 points a game. He’s creative in today’s first half and we get 19 points. He’s predictable in the second half and we barely score.

  • Roberto Vaquero Bazán

    And have a lot of oysters

  • Joeybaggadonuts

    I’ll take Al’s type of penalty periodically…especially in a game like today. IMHO it makes a “we’re the mf’s” type of statement and means more coming from a disciplined like him. At 6’9″ 340, the head butt hurt the whittle guy more.

  • Romel Roze

    I am glad other people see that. They better get home field advantage if they are going anywhere. They better win all of there home games and hope we can go at least 4-4 on the road.

  • Glenn Baldwin

    I’m sure one of you guys beat me to it, but it is worth repeating: Roosevelt Nix belongs on the winners list for today. The Ravens corners are going to be seeing him leading outside runs right down their throats in nightmares for a few days –

  • Ravens Team Gynecologist

    Given our road woes and track record at Baltimore, yes.

  • RickM

    My best friend is a huge Giants’ fan. Another loss on the final play of the game for them, to go to 0-4 after being 11-5 last year. Hopefully he’ll stay away from tall buildings with ledges. Meanwhile, some are upset here that we only won by 17 to move to a 3-1 record. Perspective is everything.

  • Joeybaggadonuts

    I hate that they seemed to put on the brakes. To me, it only takes a couple of mistakes and/or breaks for the other side to get back in the game all while you taking the kill out of your O.

  • Ravens Team Gynecologist

    I’m certainly glad to be wrong though!

  • Steelsmoke

    True that

  • SfSteeler

    Nix along w DeCastro pulling for Bell was nasty good today

  • And crab cakes.

  • Steelsmoke

    Word

  • Steelsmoke

    True fact

  • The Chin

    Frankly, I couldn’t tell the difference in Wilcox and Mitchell. Not one ounce.

  • The Chin

    Agree

  • GoSteelerz

    Hilton might be about the most dynamic blitzer from the secondary I have ever seen. His blitzes consistently disrupt the offense’s execution. His coverage and tackling have been consistent too. Love the upside of our defense. Hopefully we build on today’s performance!

  • You guys had crow for dinner? I ate Ravens for mine…

  • AndrewWoo

    Quick edit Alex. Hilton is the slot corner, not slot receiver. Great work as always!

  • AndrewWoo

    That goal line blocking was a thing of beauty.

  • Steeldog22

    Yep. The script of plays used in the first half seemed sound. Then he ran out of paper….

  • Michael Mosgrove

    look im happy they won. and won in baltimore. but after 4 weeks we’re seeing the same stuff over and over. they need to change their game planning and they really arent making adjustments.

  • Defense gave up 9 points, less than 288 total net yards (73 came on 2 plays), forces 3 turnovers and 4 sacks and Butler should be on the loser list, child please…

  • 2lovehim

    Love your work, Alex, but several errors here that are worth updating such as Hilton being listed as a slot “receiver” and DeCastro to “leas” the way. 😀 Miss hearing from you on the podcast.

  • When he’s old enough, Iron City on me JuJu!

  • Dan

    Those who think that Ben can’t read defenses are dumber than they think he is.

  • And Foster, and Pounce pulled on at least 1 too.

  • WB Tarleton

    OK, why should AB be his “first read.” Every play?

    For Pete’s sake, our offense can get ridiculed for being too predictable and in the same thread ridiculed for not being predictable enough.

  • WB Tarleton

    Minnesota is in Ohio? 😉

  • Romel Roze

    Scale, I agree the Ravens ALWAYS play us tough. The statistics show that. It is a close game most of the time. I know it is better to win these games than to lose them.

    However, I am a person that look at the long range goal and the way they are currently playing it will not get us to where we want to go.

    We need to be much sharper and consistent, but that just does not seem possible when playing on the road because for whatever reason the QB cannot play well on the road.

  • WB Tarleton

    Yep, and three of those points were after the “interception” that gave the Purple Browns the ball deep in our territory. It is hard to pin those points on the D.

    The 70’s Steel Curtain could not live up to these expectations. “Mean Joe missed a tackle! He sucks!”

  • Romel Roze

    Also, I will say this….Either there is some type of issue with Ben that creates more of a problem for him on the road or he is just an older QB that has just fallen off and only plays well at home.

    …..But then again he has not really lit it up at home lately either. We shall see if he can get it together moving forward.

  • AndyR34

    All the better! I’m sure yours was tastier! 😜

  • WB Tarleton

    Have you ever, EVER watched a Steelers/Purple Browns game?

    Judging by your comment, I’d say “no.”

  • Sdale

    Yes. That’s a trend that doesn’t seem to be getting better.

  • Romel Roze

    Conserv_58 what about last year. This is not just a one year thing with Ben struggling on the road. Everyone is talking about it. It is like a bad performance from Ben is expected now when he is on the road.

  • Gautama Om

    It was dominating considering how we won it…on the ground with 41 carries and 2 TD’s with time of possession advantage of 35 min to 24 min for the Ravens. On top of that, it was against our toughest rival; worse on the road.

    They always play up and unfortunately down to their opponent. It proves Tomlin is terrible at preparing this team to win against teams they should , like the Bears.

  • Chad Sanborn

    They were within a score for a few minutes until the 2pt conversion was overturned. And we saw a 19pt lead eroded to 8 for a brief minute. We gave up and saw the team go on a backslide in the 2nd half. It was worrying, because we have seen it before and don’t want to experience it again.

  • Jason Vancil

    Beginning to understand why we got Vance McDonald for a song.

  • Romel Roze

    It is his defensively alignments and the position he puts his players in. Putting Bud Dupree in coverage when he is lost in coverage….unable to track the ball and don’t know how to close on the WR to take away throwing lanes. He should be rushing and stunting. He can

  • RickM

    We had our best offensive half of the year, 19 points, 164 yards passing, Bell getting untracked and no turnovers. I get the criticism of Haley becoming too conservative in the second half. But folks act like that’s Ben’s fault and they ignore the progress the O showed in that first half.

  • alevin16

    I would like to add the long snapper to the winners list. We have not heard his name yet!

  • Jeff McNeill

    Rick, stop making logical points. It’s very unbecoming.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    ben himself has been fairly rough this year. you stated he was at 60% which isnt awful but if you think about some of the wide open plays he missed it’s disappointing. he’s just off this year. it seems to be happening more and more. you say 164 in the first half that means in the second half they had 44 yards of passing offense. thats putrid.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    ben had 44 yards of passing offense in the second half. his jekyll and hyde crap continues. todd haley has a large role to play in that though.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i counted at least THREE plays where ab could have got HUGE yardage.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    disagree. the 3 wide open plays to AB ben missed. missing bryant a couple times, taking that sack, barely hitting 60% not a good day.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    i didnt used to be so critical of ben, but last couple years he’s made bone head plays a lot more often.

  • Zarbor

    I’ve been critical of Ben but lets not get ridiculous. First off I don’t disagree that Ben has not look good this season. I also agree that he has to play better but lets not make it seem like he can’t or he’s done. Stop the nonsense.

    I personally believe the problem with Ben is two fold. One, he is not being challenged by the coaching staff to play better. I think like a lot of fans on here, the coaches believe Ben is untouchable and any critique of his play is out of bounds. Not me. Two, he is rusty like LeVeon because he rarely played in the preseason. Seeing Brady this late in his career still playing in several preseason games just tell you how important that is especially with Bryant coming back, Bell being out, and now JuJu in the mix.

    Ben clearly can read defenses, he clearly can make every throw and yes his decision making is questionable at times but it because he’s not being pushed. Not to mention there is nobody behind of him who’s pushing him either. He’s just way to comfortable for my liking. I wish Deebo would get in his grill.

  • Rocksolid20

    You are soooo right Ninja . With that weak division ,
    no one will bet against them winning it . I’m just hoping they can lose
    enough that we can get them at our place for the playoffs .

  • Rusted Out

    Yea, even Polomalu was guilty of post whistle activity at times, but they always flag the retaliator.

  • Zarbor

    Just stop it. He may not be playing well but he clearly can still play very well. Get off that nonsense you smoking.

  • Rocksolid20

    Besides Brady or Rodgers , who would you
    rather have ?!

  • Rocksolid20

    I caught that too John .

  • Rocksolid20

    You are right , it’s happened to him
    twice now .

  • Ni mo

    My opinion and that’s how I see it so you can’t tell anyone to stop If you don’t agree then that’s your opinion your entitled to it

  • Ni mo

    What games have been watching over the last 2 years ?

  • Romel Roze

    So the coaches only challenge him when they play at home?

    He is in what his 14th year and he has to be challenged!! He should be an offensive coordinator with 14 years in the league.

    Your statement says he is a freaking lazy bum that still has to be challenged to do his job, what a professional and a great role model and leader for the other players.

    This is not a one year thing, so your preseason theory doesn’t hold water. If your theory is correct, how do you explain the same issues with playing badly on the road last year. As a matter of fact how many times has Ben played lights out in the past 14 games?

    He certainly did not play great during our 9 game winning streak last year. Bell carried the team. Ben was actually a liability in some of those games.

    I’ll give him the Dolphin playoff game. He played well enough in that game to win at home even though Bell and Brown showed out.

  • Roberto Vaquero Bazán

    Great blocker, The ” i ” formation made all The difference for Bell, Thanks to Rosie Nix!

  • Paul Barracliffe

    I think Terrel Watson should get honorable mention. He parlayed his pre season performance into a defined role on the team. He a winner for that

  • Stevie D

    Hey, what happen to Robert Golden? Hope Mike Mitchell back next week not liking Wilcox

  • Kevin Reich

    Brees, Rivers, Carr, Ryan, Wilson, Stafford, Mariota. Maybe even Cam, Cousins or Pescott if Ben going to continue playing the way he has.

  • Alex K

    LOL we ok we didn’t beat the Bengals yet. Still, the vikings didn’t have their QB. Not a win to be very proud of.

  • John Pennington

    Burns first play to his side made a half ass effort to make the tackle oh yea he didnt make the tackle he went out of bounds came back in when the play is over.He needs to be benched until he can support the run and find some heart to tackle.This is not college bench him to teach him a lesson and draft his replacement.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    bill hargrove nailed it on SNR. haley tried to cruise through the second half off of the first half score. second half playcalling was disturbing, predictable and ran wayy too much in order to kill the clock. and we got lucky that ravens didnt come back.

  • Joseph Shaw

    Loser: Harbaugh. He’s got to be watching his back now. Losing is bad…losing to the Steelers is devastating. Tick…tick…tick…

  • Rocksolid20

    You my friend are delusional .Brees ( maybe ) , Rivers ( what a joke , how far has he taken a team ) , Carr ( stays hurt ) , Wilson ( lot of heart , but no ) , Stafford ( get real ) , Mariota ( never ) , Cam ( what has he won ? ) , Cousins ( not on your life )
    Prescott ( one hit wonder ) . Great try but NO !

  • Rob S.

    He has great timing

  • jason

    Great win but thought offense was very flat. Bell played great but Ben not so much

  • Terrible Towlie

    Hilton was flyin around,Shazier is always right there for any turn-over(caused most), and Heyward has been mostly dominant this season

  • Mister Wirez

    2-0 against the division on the ROAD = WINNER

  • Terrible Towlie

    you never takes sides against the family

  • Mister Wirez

    Big Al gave 2 head butts on that play. They busted him on the second one.

  • Terrible Towlie

    Harrison is still the cat’s ass

  • Michael Mosgrove

    after looking at spotract and overthecap for contract details and snap counts so far

    WAY TOO EARLY and yet Most likely not on the 2018 roster:

    arthur moats
    James harrison
    will gay
    DHB
    Eli Rogers
    Mike Mitchell
    robert golden
    dan mccullers
    landry jones/josh dobbs

    Most likely for draft spot contention:
    QB
    Safety
    Tight End

  • Terrible Towlie

    his knee and hand touched the ground, therefor he was down by contact before the ball coming out

  • ThatGuy

    Props to Bell but Shazier was the player of the game. He was everywhere, he even tackled me when I went to my fridge to grab a beer. He was all over.

  • Terrible Towlie

    like to see Hargrave on the field more…… he gets upfield quick

  • Douglas Andrews

    Hilarious by Dan Fouts

  • Douglas Andrews

    The runners elbow touched down short of the goal line. I thought that one of the few calls the ref got right.

  • Douglas Andrews

    Strange that the refs ruled AB down by contact letting the INT stand but they didn’t give the Raven a TD because the ball couldn’t be advanced even though Weddle wasn’t touched or tackled. That was a head scratcher

  • Michael Mosgrove

    party foul.

  • LucasY59

    Losers: Hatriots! and Raiders, two teams that were supposed to be the main competition for being the best in the AFC are 2-2 with some serious flaws, its still early in the season, but the Steelers being 3-1 is a really good thing (even if they havent played their best early in the season either)

  • LucasY59

    great use of a 6th rd pick…oh wait, the guy they didnt use a pick on is snapping, but you are right its good not to hear anything about the LS

  • I.P. Freeley

    Mike Hilton is not a slot receiver.

  • LucasY59

    this was probably posted less than 5 minutes after the clock expired on the game, couple of typos are easy to overlook, NBD

  • LucasY59

    think most people know Hilton is a corner, especially after this game

  • I.P. Freeley

    Not true, we want the offense to get their head’s out of their a$$es and play up to their potential, specifically through the air. The sad truth is Ben may just not have it anymore.

  • LucasY59

    yep I think the Steelers play has shown there is room for improvement, but the best thing is they should get into a mid season rhythm/groove and will hopefully peak during that tough stretch near the end of the season and carry the momentum into the postseason, not going to complain about 3-1 (especially when NE is 2-2)

  • John Phillips

    I can’t believe we grabbed him from the patriots practice squad.

  • LucasY59

    the 2nd guy/reaction is what gets flagged, but he was just retaliating to what the ratbird player did, I would like to see him play smarter in that situation, but can understand why he did what he did

  • I.P. Freeley

    Agreed, he misses wide open receivers way too often, this is a sickening feeling. My only hope is that some more time together will get the timing back, but thus far, Ben does not look himself, and I fear this is just who he is at this point in his career.

  • LucasY59

    ratbird initiated the 1st one

  • John Phillips

    and CB

  • John Phillips

    N/A

  • John Phillips

    Too funny!

  • ThatGuy

    lol definitely

  • LucasY59

    Steelers only lost to the Bears who mightve had the hardest schedule in these early games, they almost beat the Falcons (who were 3-0 until they ran out of WRs today, and lost to a team that is playing well at 31) the Bucs are a decent team (would be great if they can make the pats 2-3 on thursday) only the loss to the Packers looked really bad
    but it was thursday night on the road (another good team)

    and even though it was a disappointing loss in Chicago, it was a close game, that if the refs made a few different calls would make the Steelers 4-0

    NE was really close to being 1-3, the last second TD (agains the Texans, who look to be another good team) was typical Shady, but the pats definitely look beatable this yr

  • LucasY59

    wasnt it last week that they were complaining about the MULTIPLE deep throws, he makes the intermediate throws this week and they still complain about the ONE deep throw that was off

    It wouldve been nice to have the accuracy be a little better on that pass to Bryant (and the one to Hunter on the sideline) or find AB wide open for what wouldve been another big play, It couldve been a really good game for Ben, but I will take an OK one as long as its a W against the division rival

  • LucasY59

    a W is a W…

  • LucasY59

    guess this is the learn something new season…last week with the crazy blocked FG/Fumble/safety?/Touchback?, that ends up as a FG in the opposite direction… this week its the INT/incompletion/catch/fumble?

    was there any weird things in the 1st two games I am forgetting?

  • LucasY59

    they blew the whistle because it looked like he was down by contact before the ball came out, weird play, good thing it didnt cost the Steelers much, and also good they didnt get a TD on the play because it couldve really changed momentum

  • RickM

    They took their foot off the accelerator at Haley’s request with only the 10 second half passes. My guess is they would have scored 35 points if they continued working the middle like they did in the first half, but Haley always seems careful with road leads. I agree that we’ll have tougher stretches down the road starting with Week 6.

  • Dahusla

    Rosey Nix has to make this list. Guy was blasting holes for Bell all day.

  • pittfan

    Ben’s biggest problem is he plays in the same era as Brady and Rogers.

  • heath miller

    i think everyoene knows what alex meant … its called a simple mistake .. have you ever made one ? remember alex had this up an hour after the game ended…give the guy a break ..

  • heath miller

    wilcox was the guy missing all the tackles.. mitchell is the guy that knocks the runners mouthpiece out when he tackles them .. maybe you need to look again..

  • LucasY59

    yep Chefs game might be the toughest of the regular season (especially since its in KC) a win there would most likely make them go into the bye 7-1, the stretch from week 11-16 will be tough, but if they can play at a high level through it they (should be no worse than 10-5, and) could be 12-3, which would probably make them the #1 seed (especially if they win in KC)

    I dont want them to overlook the Jags (because what happened in London to the ratbirds could make the Steelers have flashbacks to the loss to the Bears) shutting down the running game will be important (against a couple of really good rookie RBs, Fournette and then Hunt) but I think they can do it, especially if the O can control the LOS as well and control the clock and get a lead that takes the running game out as well, they cant drop the passing game like they did in the 2nd half (they can control the clock with passes as well) but winning the LOS seems like the theme to all teams success in the league this yr

  • Brenton deed

    Dominant is the adjective you are looking for… a recurring error … is it autocorrect striking again?

  • Brenton deed

    I think they just want to be able to run the clock and kill a game like the Cowher teams. If you establish a reputation for being able to do that opposing offences take more risks. Of course until they get really good at it you’re going to have games like today.

  • Brenton deed

    As long as they smash NE and Brady is forever scarred with PTSD.

  • Brenton deed

    What did the arseh•Le to make big Al lose it? Must’ve been really gutless.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Yea but KC looks really good! The Bills also. The Bills D is also looking very impressive. The Bills have played 3 very good teams and have won 2 while losing 1 at a score of 3 to 9 against Carolina(at Car). Beating Denver and Atl(at Atl) should not be overlooked. The Bills schedule is murderous but so far they have looked like a top team.
    No one can really predict the NFL anymore. Every year several teams rise from the ashes and have great seasons.

  • LucasY59

    Headbutted him and then Al gave him one back

  • thomas hmmmm

    Cb’s have looked really good so far. This might be the year Qb gets a top priority. I’d look at safety also and WR because MB will probably be gone, not exactly sure when his contract is up.

  • thomas hmmmm

    I don’t mind going to a power run game because the run game takes the pressure off the D and keeps them fresh. I still don’t trust the D. They look good versus the pass but are terrible versus the run.
    My only problem is all the carries Bell is getting. I think they need to get Conner a little more involved.

  • LucasY59

    I agree and kinda mentioned it in a different comment (if you look at the schedules the Bears might look bad, but have played some good teams) so the Steelers at 3-1 isnt that bad, we will see how the game is in 2 weeks at KC, dont have to worry about the Bills, but it would be awesome if they could win the AFC least instead of giving the pats a automatic bid to the playoffs every yr

    I think the early (4 games) always have some craziness to them, and we will have a much better idea of how good everyone is around the Bye week, hopefully the Steelers can use this game to get some confidence, they cant overlook the Jags, but the game in KC 2 weeks from now is going to be a big one!

    I think they could make it to the bye with a 7-1 record, but they need to keep running the ball and stopping the run to do so, winning the LOS will be key this season, most of the craziness has been a result of poor line play, get a lead early (through the passing game) control the clock (running the ball, and converting for 1st downs through the air) and they should be able to win, this D has been doing well, and if they can play with a lead they should be even better

  • thomas hmmmm

    I bet Golson is sitting home saying “I can do that better than he can.. I am better than him!”

  • thomas hmmmm

    Not only is NE 2-2 but the Bills are looking legit with 2 big wins over great teams. This might be the year NE is finally knocked down and start playing in a real division.

  • John

    The issue with the offense has been this was the first game Bell looked in sync with the rest of the team. Also we are undertaking a more conservative game plan and every received other than AB is likely overrated by the fans.

  • LucasY59

    I just said something very similar in a different reply to you, even the Jets who were supposed to be tanking this season are 2-2 (same as the cheaters) and hopefully Ajayi and the Dolphins will play them tough (they earned a playoff spot last yr, so they could still be a decent team, too bad they have Cutler at QB)

  • thomas hmmmm

    They forgot that the second half of last season the O was pretty much the same way. Get a lead with a nice balanced O then hold on to the lead with the power running game. Personally I love the game plan because I don’t trust the D yet. It looks like the Cb’s are fixed but no the run d is atrocious. So I prefer the power run game that keeps the D off the field and keeps the D fresher.

  • thomas hmmmm

    This is the first reply I have read but I have more faith in the Bills than the Jets. The Bills first for games was a brutal stretch for any team and yet the Bills came out 3-1 and beat the Jets. So far the Bills have been a very big surprise team.

  • RickM

    Yes, you’re right. That was definitely Haley’s M.O. during the winning streak.

  • RickM

    AB was very well-covered by #22 when Ben he first looked for him. He got open because our TE was crossing the field and took away 22’s path…and suddenly a well-covered AB was free. But unfortunately Ben had already locked into Bell in the right flat a split-second before. I don’t blame AB for not knowing that, but he should have enough trust that if Roethlisberger didn’t find him there was a good reason.

  • RickM

    Haley did the same thing with Kurt Warner as I recall. On the road with a multi-score lead you can count on him being more conservative, regardless of whom the QB is.

  • RickM

    Geez, please re-watch the play. AB was well-covered until our TE came across the field and took away the CB’s path. Then and only then did AB get free. By that time, Ben had already turned his head to the flat.

  • MC

    This is what happens when they make a proper attempt to establish the run game and not abandon it early.

    Shazier i mentioned on the post about his misstackles this week how he is the turnover x factor and we should learn to live with a miss tackle because he provides a gamechanging INT or FF at times throughout the season. Nobody is better at forcing them as Shazier and this is a team that went a bunch of years at the bottom of the league in turnovers prior to drafting him.

    Cam is the most valuable player for this defense though. his leadership and grit is what this team should be about.

  • SteelersDepot Commenter

    Tomlin gets a lot of the blame for “playing down to teams,” but Haley is never able to put games away. Even today, we had to rely on two late defensive turnovers for the dagger.

  • Kevin artis

    Just doesn’t seem the offense is in sync. We had too many golden opportunities provided by the defense and we could not reach the end zone or sustain drives. Ben doesn’t look right to me.

  • Work Toward

    It’s not mis or deluded… It’s factual buddy.

  • FATCAT716

    I could be wrong but I don’t recall you or anyone else saying we would go into Baltimore where we have struggled & said we will win by double digit points because they down 17 players. I think it was impressive

  • capehouse

    The rulebook says when going to the ground you must maintain possession. That is the key.

  • Romel Roze

    Agreed. Remember this is a guy that I believe is the only player in history with multiple 500 plus yard games with at least 5 TDs .

    Ben struggling like this is not good. I love my Steelers so hopefully he can play much better, especially on the road.

  • Romel Roze

    Exactly. This game should have been out of reach by halftime with how bad the Ravens were looking.

  • Romel Roze

    That interception call was one of the worse calls ever. This absolutely PATHETIC

  • Bradys_Dad

    As long as you didn’t fumble …

  • NE defense has been turning guys loose multiple times a game. They were the leagues best scoring defense last year, not they are the worst. They are goibg to have a tough season if their defense keeps giving up 30+ points a game. And the defense beat the Chiefs twice last year.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Doubtful.

  • afrazier9

    I agree but does Haley know what it means to do plays over kill. It’s almost like sarcasm the way he calls plays.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Well you’re right about that. No one said that they would win by double digits. But when you factor in who they were missing it made huge differences. No marshal yanda, no Brandon Williams, etc.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    my issue is they went conservative too early. Just like Bill said. If they had done thay in the 4th, fine. But to do it for the entire half was foolish.

  • Brandon Watson

    hahaha … that would be a great commercial!

  • Josh

    Loser: me, for having NO idea what JJSS was doing with that ball.

  • Brandon Watson

    no doubt man! I have a buddy who is a legit NE fan (not bandwagon … from NE area) and that’s one thing I always use as a counter point. I recognize their brilliance, but I simply say it doesn’t hurt not having any legit franchise in your division to contend with. It’s a big difference maker.

  • Brandon Watson

    That’s kind of my point about the screen perspective; one I use quite a bit … we have hindsight and instant replays with aerial views and just production in general. I feel it skews our perception of what it must be like down on that field when the true speed and nature of the game is first-person. I get frustrated to .. TRUST me, but I reign myself in and realize my hypocrisies (i.e. Ben in statue mode … staring down field waiting … leads to injury or sack or fumble vs what he did yesterday which was get rid of the ball and live to fight another play) … the proverbial have your cake and eat it too. I can’t have it both ways and mistakes happen. But I’m totally with you .. the frustration of it b/c of the special mix of talent and expectations … it’s rough … but it’s a nice problem huh? lol. At least we know at any moment, some magic can happen. We’re never out of a game. We could be Baltimore, right? lol

  • Brandon Watson

    lol. yea, that outburst was crazy man. He cares though and all his teammates, consistently year to year talk about his work ethic … so if any ‘diva’ wide-out can throw a respected temper tantrum … I guess it would be AB. I don’t think it was directed at Ben … think it was realization of the stakes of the game and all that.

  • Brandon Watson

    btw … not calling or labeling you a hypocrite … solely referring to myself and my attempt to try not to be one.

  • Matt

    I am as critical of Ben as anyone on this site, but he isn’t on the losers list. He wasn’t a winner either. He was okay. Not good, not bad either. He did miss open receivers but there were some drops there too. And the near pick that he threw when aiming for Brown in triple coverage was exactly the kind of thing Ben said he needed to reel himself in on, earlier in the week.

    He does need to step up his play and big time if this team is going to make a SB run.

    Right now the best things this team has going for it are defense, Brown and Bell (who I think is going to be on track from here on out)

  • Jeff Papiernik

    Assuming talent alone, I’d take Ryan, Stafford, Carr, Luck, and Brees over Ben. He’s still top 10, but not elite.

  • SilverSteel

    I’m worried about this Jags game a little. Their offense looked so good against the Ravens. They feasted on the dump offs and middle of the field. Exactly where we are a little weak historically.

    Hope we analyze that game. They could cause us some problems. Good win this week though. Ben looked much better.

  • SilverSteel

    We seem to do that a lot in the last 5 years.

  • SilverSteel

    Wilcox was average this game. I’ll take him over Golden anytime.

  • SilverSteel

    Liking that kid. He did indeed carve himself out a role. Impressive… we have a competent backfield for the first time in a while. 🤑

  • SilverSteel

    If I were MT, I would make him do the jugs machine with AB every day.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Why Dobbs? Give him a chance to develop. At worst he is a number 3 project.

  • ThatGuy

    Think we got MB for an extra year because it didn’t get held against him last for the suspension.

  • Romel Roze

    Matt, as long as we win these ugly games early and can catch fire later when entering the playoffs all will be good. The key to a successful season is staying healthy and the play of our QB. If he catches fire we have a great chance to win it all.

  • Chad Weiss

    He did have interception lol jk

  • SilverSteel

    Nice…

  • SilverSteel

    I was critical of Ben last week and it seems he still has some mojo left. This was a much better managing of the offense. Good week Ben!

  • Chad Weiss

    Honorable mention -Defense – Tuitt,Dupree,Haden
    Offense -Nix,connor

  • SilverSteel

    True but he did take what the D gave…for once. I’ll take that.

  • SilverSteel

    Ouch

  • SilverSteel

    Yes, loving that stability. Good pick up for sure.

  • Nunya

    The crazy part, I expect Belichick to have that defense stout by playoff time…

  • Talyn Scarbrough

    I agree, but unfortunately transitive property doesn’t work well in football.

  • RickM

    Agree about not overlooking the Jags. I already have it chalked up as a W and I normally worry about every game. My bad for sure. The team just can’t get caught looking ahead to K.C.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Because chances are we take a qb in 1.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Ding ding ding. See todd haley.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Haden? Haden got smoked a bunch of times.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Trap game part deux.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    Bryant 2016 campaign was tolled. Giving us him for 2017 and 2018.

  • Michael Mosgrove

    That’s fine in q4. Not at the start of q3.

  • RickM

    Yes, the accuracy and decision-making seemed to return. I have gone on and on about the negativity, but Matt Ryan only put up 17 at home yesterday; Drew Brees only put up 20; and Brady put up 30 at home in a losing effort.

    We put up 26 on the road with a missed FG and an untried convert (that would have made it 30). And Haley took the air out of the ball for most of the second half throwing only 10 times. That tends to take any Offense out of its rhythm. Yes, we got stuck too long on 19. But the perspective of what the score was during the game and what Haley was doing just seems lost on many. Then again, a number of them aren’t interested in seeing that.

  • SwagDaddy330

    Exactly. Also, the Steelers offense & defense went in to conservative mode almost the enitre 2nd half.

    It was nice to see the Steelers punch the Ravens in the mouth!

  • SwagDaddy330

    Almost as bad as your thoughts on Ben

  • SilverSteel

    Not a bad road game at all. He managed the O just like we been screaming for. He took what the D gave for the most part which is fine by me.

  • SilverSteel

    That’s what I been sayin for weeks. It’s not the mistakes, it’s that we make them repeatedly and don’t seem to learn the obvious.

  • Romel Roze

    Well, if on the road Big Ben can play like at home Big Ben and at home Big Ben can play like the Big Ben that has thrown for 500 yards and 5 TDs Big Ben, the Steelers will be ok….lol

  • rystorm06

    Losers – officiating. The INT that led to the ravens first FG was the biggest BS call in the history of the NFL

  • gdeuce

    He had 150+ yards in the first half, they just ran the ball a lot in the second half, and misfired on some throws

  • pittfan

    I think the Raiders, Chief, and Broncos are going to maul each other throughout the season. If we can get the Bills to put another L on the Puts we’re in good shape for the #1 seed as the AFCN gives us Browns x 2, Bungles x 2, and Ravens x 2. The past several season we have been a very good second half team. I look for that to repeat again as we learn and get our pieces in place.

  • gdeuce

    haven’t exactly played against top tier competition at QB yet, let’s see what happens later in the season

  • gdeuce

    he needs to be taken off kick returns, teams will kick short because he can’t even get it back to the 20

  • gdeuce

    your really don’t know what run fills are then

  • Kevin78

    I don’t think they came out flat. They had that weird play immediately. Then when they got the ball back, they moved it well only to have a missed FG.

  • Smitty 6788

    AB made that route up on the fly.. Ben ready it perfectly that’s why he went to his last read while under pressure. Smh

  • LucasY59

    yep overlooking them would be a big mistake, even though theres a big game the week after, need to stack wins and take it one game at a time

  • LucasY59

    thats pretty much how I see it, the AFC west and south will beat up on each other, and somehow the least is not a automatic bid for the pats

    the Steelers need to take care of the AFC North and have a good run to finish off the season and it should result in a #1 seed

  • LucasY59

    yeah the Jets will fall apart, they seem to have forgotten they were tanking this season

    its definitely a surprise from the Bills, they made some similar tanking moves during the offseason, but somehow seem better than last yr because of it?

    I still think its too early to give the Bills the division (Belicheat isnt going to give up just because they are stuggling at the start of the season) but it would be great if they struggle to win their division

  • Nick Sabatella

    Vance looks great as a blocker, just needs to get on the board with a reception already

  • SilverSteel

    IMO overconfidence has hurt us for years. We need to treat every game like it’s at Foxborough.

  • Kevin78

    You can’t have a specific OLB rushing all the time in a 3-4. You have no ability to disguise your defense that way.

  • RickM

    Lol, Jeff.

  • thomas hmmmm

    No but the last time Glennon played against Pitt he threw for over 300 and 2 tds with a int and tampa won the game.

  • thomas hmmmm

    Yea I was thinking that same thing but I am not sure if that is only for injury or if it includes suspensions

  • thomas hmmmm

    Yea and the Bills as a team have to be feeling pretty damn good about how they have handled their first 4 games this season. That momentum and morale can last an entire season. They seem to have some mojo now. I am not a fan of the Bills but I would love if they won that division just to see someone else do it and hopefully send Brady into retirement.

  • thomas hmmmm

    I don’t think a new young head coach makes tanking moves. His career is on the line. I think he just saw something no one else did and got the value he could. Maybe those players were cancers and he saw they weren’t buying into what he was trying to do.. No matter the reason the moves look brilliant at the moment, even for the Rams where Watkins is looking good. Not so for the Pats and Gilmore.

  • MC

    I felt like they were sending a message to bell after holding out and it backfired so much and this game they finally came to their senses and just gave the ball to him.

  • John A Stewart

    Youtube are correct

  • Romel Roze

    Hmmm. Yeah, ok if you say so. Smh.

  • Romel Roze

    You would realize how accurate my thoughts on Ben are if you didn’t have your head so far up his a$$…lmao

  • seadoovet

    He actually should have just batted it down. It was 4th down. We lost 10 yards by intercepting it.

  • Don

    I think Shazier is kind of a new version of Polamalu. Always flying around, sometimes out of control, creating havoc and turnovers.

  • SwagDaddy330

    lol

  • LucasY59

    yeah even when teams are in a rebuilding phase it would be almost impossible for the coach and players to go out and TRY to lose games, but at the same time they are not expecting to win many either, it is probably a pleasant surprise to them and their fans that they are having success, but at the same time it isnt doing their future any favors

    I am REALLY happy the offseason moves the pats made, arent working as well as most expected (other than the last second TB to Cooks to beat the Texans)

  • Brandon Watson

    They do, indeed,but I’ve seen this before … not even that long ago, so I will not hold my breath. I know you have to be careful what you wish for … but my vision of how this played out was FINALLY beating Brady in a big game! But you know what … I don’t feel the ’08 nor the ’05 are invalidated … in fact, I feel extremely confident both teams beat Brady (although SpyGate could have potentially beat the ’05 team as it did the ’04 team). So I retract my request

  • Douglas Andrews

    Absolutely could’ve change the momentum of that game. Good thing for the quick whistle but I still feel like they took a TD away from the Ravens. It that happened to the Steelers the fanbase would be livid me included

  • Dan

    The ones in which he’s thrown 35 TD passes and 15 INTs since the beginning of the 2016 season.

  • Henry Michael

    my apologies i read that wrong

  • SteelersGeek4Lyfe

    Is it fair to worry about Ben now? Let me know…